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...choose to come to the NBA and play on a rookie contract and play for the MLE for possibly the rest of their careers. I don't get it. For instance, Walter Hermann would be a star overseas making big money yet he's riding the pine in the NBA playing for cheap. :confusedshrug: I just don't get why players would leave their home where they are superstars to come over to the NBA and be an unknown scrub.
There really are only a handful of players in Europe that make MLE type money.
[QUOTE=LJJ]There really are only a handful of players in Europe that make MLE type money.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought. Superstars cap off at like 5 million or so.
I'm sure some are content to stay overseas but a lot of people want to give themselves a shot at the best league and see if they can make it "big". I would speculate that people like Ginobili and Parker have really made some of these people more optimistic.
Oh btw, I don't think Hermann is a total scrub yet. When he does get playing time he isn't too bad. Good energy guy.
Wait, you made a post w/o mentioning Bayless?
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Wait, you made a post w/o mentioning Bayless?[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Get on topic bro.
most of them really don't. right now, most of established european household names don't seriously consider going to NBA mainly for the reason you cited. both american and european born ones. especially since jasikevicius and macijauskas fiascoes in the NBA.
last offseason only big european veteran names to come to NBA were scola and navarro. and scola was arguably the best four outside the NBA at the moment. this offseason it might be even less.
[quote=Fresh-2-Def]:oldlol: Get on topic bro.[/quote]
There is no topic, players don't make big money overseas.
whats the salary like overseas anyone got any numbers? :confusedshrug:
you have to factor in the exchange rate also.
1 U.S. dollar = 0.634598299 Euros
cuz' imagine if they have an opportunity to become like Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobilli, even a player like Sasha Vujacic... with the way he has been playing, the next contract he gets will probably be a MAX Contract overseas....
and think about this.. as an NBA player, you get the best of the best... fly in team's private jet when on the road, 5-star hotels, lots of complimentary stuff from Adidas, Nike, etc. and oh yeah, you get to play against the best, or with the best, on the biggest stage...
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]There is no topic, players don't make big money overseas.[/QUOTE]
Alot of them do for instance Allen Ray was on a rookie contract last year and now he's making good money in Europe. He wants to get back in the NBA, but why would he leave the good money he's making overseas to come back and ride the bench. Talk what you know.
According to this site, [URL="http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/"]http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/[/URL] these are the top 10 Euro salaries. Jasikevicius is listed, so they've gotta be from 05 at the latest
[LIST=1][*]Sarunas Jasikevicius (Panathinaikos) 4.2mio[*]Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA) 3.5mio[*]Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) 2.5mio[*]Arvydas Macijauskas (Olympiakos) 2.2mio[*]Lazaros Papadopoulos (Real) 2.0mio[*]Alexei Savrasenko (CSKA) 2.0mio[*]Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos) 1.9mio[*]J.R. Holden (CSKA) 1.85mio[*]David Anderson (CSKA) 1.8mio[*]Nikola Vujcic (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1.7mio[/LIST]Adjust em, and the Sarunas was making little under 6 million, and he was the highest paid.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]According to this site, [URL="http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/"]http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/[/URL] these are the top 10 Euro salaries. Jasikevicius is listed, so they've gotta be from 05 at the latest
[LIST=1][*]Sarunas Jasikevicius (Panathinaikos) 4.2mio[*]Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA) 3.5mio[*]Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) 2.5mio[*]Arvydas Macijauskas (Olympiakos) 2.2mio[*]Lazaros Papadopoulos (Real) 2.0mio[*]Alexei Savrasenko (CSKA) 2.0mio[*]Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos) 1.9mio[*]J.R. Holden (CSKA) 1.85mio[*]David Anderson (CSKA) 1.8mio[*]Nikola Vujcic (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1.7mio[/LIST]Adjust em, and the Sarunas was making little under 6 million, and he was the highest paid.[/QUOTE]
Thanks bro. :cheers:
They do not seem to making a whole lot found this via google
he Ugly Side of European Basketball-- Dynamo St. Petersburg Collapses[/lfont]
The unfortunate side of European basketball reared its ugly head this afternoon, Russian time, when Dynamo St. Petersburg
[quote=Fresh-2-Def]Thanks bro. :cheers:[/quote]
Just speaking what I know.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Just speaking what I know.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: Nice!
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]According to this site, [URL="http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/"]http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/[/URL] these are the top 10 Euro salaries. Jasikevicius is listed, so they've gotta be from 05 at the latest
[LIST=1][*]Sarunas Jasikevicius (Panathinaikos) 4.2mio[*]Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA) 3.5mio[*]Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) 2.5mio[*]Arvydas Macijauskas (Olympiakos) 2.2mio[*]Lazaros Papadopoulos (Real) 2.0mio[*]Alexei Savrasenko (CSKA) 2.0mio[*]Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos) 1.9mio[*]J.R. Holden (CSKA) 1.85mio[*]David Anderson (CSKA) 1.8mio[*]Nikola Vujcic (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1.7mio[/LIST]Adjust em, and the Sarunas was making little under 6 million, and he was the highest paid.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if they're tax free?
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]According to this site, [URL="http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/"]http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/[/URL] these are the top 10 Euro salaries. Jasikevicius is listed, so they've gotta be from 05 at the latest
[LIST=1][*]Sarunas Jasikevicius (Panathinaikos) 4.2mio[*]Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA) 3.5mio[*]Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) 2.5mio[*]Arvydas Macijauskas (Olympiakos) 2.2mio[*]Lazaros Papadopoulos (Real) 2.0mio[*]Alexei Savrasenko (CSKA) 2.0mio[*]Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos) 1.9mio[*]J.R. Holden (CSKA) 1.85mio[*]David Anderson (CSKA) 1.8mio[*]Nikola Vujcic (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1.7mio[/LIST]Adjust em, and the Sarunas was making little under 6 million, and he was the highest paid.[/QUOTE]
everything that i know, no one of these guys has any serious intent of coming to the NBA this offseason, and possibly never. that should answer the OP. they're superstars here. they can't hope to get remotely similar sums in the NBA. jasikevicius and macijauskas already tried, and we know how that ones went. papaloukas and siskauskas are both 31 already and don't have the foot speed and athleticism to keep with NBA guards. savrasenko is a scrub by nba center skill level. papadopoulos is again terribly unathletic for a nba center. JR holden is essentially a 5'11" shooting guard. vujcic would be a tweener too, not strong enough for a center and not athletic enough for a PF. (diamantidis and anderson would have the best chances of finding their niche in the league...although it would be far from sure)
and so on...IMO all of these guys would have much more to lose than to gain from coming to nba.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]According to this site, [URL="http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/"]http://www.ballineurope.com/european-competition/euroleague/top-10-salaries-in-europe/[/URL] these are the top 10 Euro salaries. Jasikevicius is listed, so they've gotta be from 05 at the latest
[LIST=1][*]Sarunas Jasikevicius (Panathinaikos) 4.2mio[*]Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA) 3.5mio[*]Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) 2.5mio[*]Arvydas Macijauskas (Olympiakos) 2.2mio[*]Lazaros Papadopoulos (Real) 2.0mio[*]Alexei Savrasenko (CSKA) 2.0mio[*]Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos) 1.9mio[*]J.R. Holden (CSKA) 1.85mio[*]David Anderson (CSKA) 1.8mio[*]Nikola Vujcic (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1.7mio[/LIST]Adjust em, and the Sarunas was making little under 6 million, and he was the highest paid.[/QUOTE]
Thats is not much money and some of those figures include Buyouts considering you can easily make 1 million in the nba and average nba salary is around 4.2 mill which is more than the European max. Plus the larger endorsement deals and lower tax rate.
[QUOTE=Hotshoot]Thats is not much money and some of those figures include Buyouts considering you can easily make 1 million in the nba and average nba salary is around 4.2 mill which is more than the European max. Plus the larger endorsement deals and lower tax rate.[/QUOTE]
thing is, those sums are tax free that i know. and european teams most commonly pay the expenses of living for players and their families, give them cars and drivers and so on...it adds up.
[QUOTE=Sharas]thing is, those sums are tax free that i know. and european teams most commonly pay the expenses of living for players and their families, give them cars and drivers and so on...it adds up.[/QUOTE]
Taxs free how is that? used to have friends in France used to pay like 50 percent of their income to Taxes..
[QUOTE=Hotshoot]Taxs free how is that? used to have friends in France used to pay like 50 percent of their income to Taxes..[/QUOTE]
don't know how exactly it works...but any article i've ever read on this subject mentions how cited sums in europe are tax free. no one says people in europe don't pay taxes, just that sums cited are tax free, nett amounts of money that players get.
[QUOTE=Sharas]don't know how exactly it works...but any article i've ever read on this subject mentions how cited sums in europe are tax free. no one says people in europe don't pay taxes, just that sums cited are tax free, nett amounts of money that players get.[/QUOTE]
You are correct just read that Europe the reported income for players (soccer) are after tax figures this is because tax figures differ from country to country. Makes it easier for player to switch clubs rather than having to worry about converting the tax figures.
nba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>euro league, any player good enough to play in the nba wants to
[QUOTE=omarnyc]nba>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>euro league, any player good enough to play in the nba wants to[/QUOTE]
well, not really. is it better to be on inactive list and on a minimal salary in nba compared to being a star in europe with two or three times better pay? many, many guys that play in europe could be at the end of nba bench, it's just that it isn't necessarily a better situation for everyone.
[QUOTE=Hotshoot]They do not seem to making a whole lot found this via google
he Ugly Side of European Basketball-- Dynamo St. Petersburg Collapses[/lfont]
The unfortunate side of European basketball reared its ugly head this afternoon, Russian time, when Dynamo St. Petersburg’s coaching staff decided to hold a team meeting. Some of the players had felt that something was not right around the team over the past few days, but most just attributed it to the crazy lifestyle that goes along with playing basketball in the formerly communist country. What happened sent shockwaves not just though the team’s lockerroom, but throughout all of European basketball.
In a very surprising and quite unexpected move, Dynamo St. Petersburg officially announced that the team is folding, releasing itself from all of it’s obligations to the millions of dollars in (often multi-year) contracts they owe their players. Considering the fact that we’re talking about one of the richest clubs in all of Europe, a team that finished in 2nd place last year in arguably the third best league in the continent—this is a major blow to both the Russian League and European basketball in general. Dynamo was scheduled to take part in the ULEB Cup this upcoming season, and was ironically featured just today on the front page of the official site in a glowing review that pegged them as serious contenders to win the entire competition. On a sidenote, Unics Kazan is considered the early favorites to take Dynamo’s spot in Group B of the ULEB cup.
Only founded in 2004, Dynamo St. Petersburg came out of the gates with a bang by winning the FIBA Europe League in its first season of existence, under now Benetton Treviso head coach David Blatt--as well as finishing in 5th place in the Russian league. They made the Final Four of the FIBA EuroCup the following season, and finished in 2nd place in the regular season of the Russian league. The club was described just today on the ULEB Cup official website as “One of the best European teams in the last two seasons…an ambitious management, a deep roster, a first-class city and an elite coach like Fotis Katsikaris are enough reasons to believe St. Pete is not the usual ULEB Cup newcomer.”
So what went wrong? According to numerous sources close to the situation we spoke with today--plenty. The official party line coming out of St. Petersburg talks about a major falling out between the city—one of the team’s main financial sponsors—and the club, headed by team president Vladimir Radianov. Some might say that the writing was on the wall, as Radianov was the president of Avtodor Saratov just three years ago when that team went bankrupt and closed its doors as well.
Once the city pulled the plug on more than 5 million dollars in sponsorship money that Dynamo was counting on, it became clear to the front office that the organization no longer had a chance to be able to continue considering the type of money they are committed to over the next few seasons. Without assurances from the city and with another major sponsor—one of the largest banks in Russia-- that also began to waver, Dynamo would not be able to get approval from the Russian Federation to open up the season.
Another main issue leading to this surprising move appears to be internal political conflicts between former Communist party officials on the city board, and the KGB (formerly, the secret police of the Soviet Union), which owns a stake and major influence on all Russian teams with “Dynamo” in its name. The city of St. Petersburg wanted Dynamo to merge with their cross-city rivals Spartak, and when Dynamo refused to move forward with the plan, the city pulled out their money. Being the only team in an extremely modern and attractive city such as St. Petersburg, Spartak is now a team to look out for on the player market in this upcoming summer.
[B]Of major interest to the top teams in Europe is the fact that Dynamo’s entire roster just entered the free agent market. Highly coveted players such as Kelly McCarty ($700,000 per year salary) Ognjen Askrabic ($700,000), Vladimir Veremeenko, Eddie Gill ($600,000), Goran Jeretin ($600,000), Maciej Lampe ($650,000) and many others made millions of dollars between them, but some if not all will have a difficult time finding similar offers in mid-October, just as the player-market is about to be flooded with even more big names falling out of NBA training camps.[/B]
With the excitement of Greece beating the US in the World Championships and Barcelona defeating the Philadelphia 76’ers in the NBA Europe Live, there is a well deserved sentiment amongst European basketball fans that the gap between them and the NBA has completely diminished to the point that there will not be that much of a difference in the near future. While results on the court certainly point towards that becoming a reality at some point, the lesson of Dynamo St. Petersburg today and Ulker Istanbul over the summer (who also were forced to fold) is that many European teams and leagues still have a long ways to go in terms of their financial and organizational stability to be able to make the business side of things just as true.[/QUOTE]
Yea they're really hurting making $700,000:confusedshrug:
First of all those salaries are in euros, second of all, those numbers are either tax free or marginally taxed. I remember alot of european players saying that they can make more playing in europe as well as getting more playing time. The ones that do transfer over, the Anthony Parkers and such, do so because they're trying to prove their worth in the best league in the world. It's more of a career accomplishment thing than a financial decision.
These guys want to play in the most competitive basketball league in the world, with players from all over...many work out, but many more don't, that's just the way it is, if they don't work out, they go back to Europe...
[QUOTE=ALBballer]I wonder if they're tax free?[/QUOTE]
In some countrys they are (Im sure for Greece)...
[QUOTE=Hotshoot]Taxs free how is that? used to have friends in France used to pay like 50 percent of their income to Taxes..[/QUOTE]
Club pays their taxes.
EXAMPLE - Jasikevicius makes 4.2 mills, club pays his taxes so he get that 4.2 mills clear (if u understand me...)