Why isn't the European D Rose not a lottery/top 20 pick?
6-4 w tremendous athleticism- can any euro fans tell more about this prospect
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Why isn't the European D Rose not a lottery/top 20 pick?
6-4 w tremendous athleticism- can any euro fans tell more about this prospect
9. Nemanja Nedovic (1991, PG, 6
Ain't been a decent Serbian player in the NBA since Peja (Pekovic is technically from Montonegro), will be interested to see how this guy progesses and why there ain't been more guys from that region coming to the NBA.
*Versatile guard at 6'4" (PG/SG)
*He is ridicilously athletic.... quick, explosive with amazing vertical
*Is absolutely deadly in the open court.
*Extremly good attacking the rim with his unstoppable first step & decent handles (his go to is the crossover & hesitation), screen wont be needed, but his finishing ability has to improve.
*Has great jumpshot technique but no great/pure shooter or something, his efficiency/accuracy is average, sometimes good/bad... inconsistent is the correct word, he must improve there.
*Is ok facilitator/passer but his decision making must improve, its kindof a weakness.
*Ability wise has potential to be a fantastic defender, but his effort is kindof not there most of the time...
Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis is a good comparison i guess..... not as good as any of them obviously, but he is that type of athlete at similar size and has that type of gamestyle and probably has potential to be as good as at least one of those guys mentioned in the NBA if his will/work ethic is there and if given the chance aswell...
At this point in the NBA he would be best suitable as a backup SG... and grow from there (his IQ right now is not good enough to be an acceptable PG in the NBA imo)
Has potential, but don't think he's going to be a starter on decent team ever, lacks iq and is too inconsistent.
Dellavadova>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nedovic
He is a Goran Dragic type of player. Very athletic and very retarded. A "point guard" with zero actual point guard skills.
So....a bad point guard that NBA will drool over and love. He's the exact kind of "point guard" the NBA wants - no point guard skills, ball hog, athletic, retarded level IQ.
He is like an anti Kostas Sloukas.........who was not even drafted. Pretty much says it all right there. He's exactly what NBA teams are looking for in a European guard.......athleticism and no real skills or brains.
[QUOTE=iamgine]9. Nemanja Nedovic (1991, PG, 6’4”, Serbia, Lietuvos Rytas)
Nedovic has amazing [B]athletic abilities, probably the best in Europe at his position[/B], combined with a solid physical structure for the role. This year he played constantly in Euroleague with Lietuvos Rytas averaging 10 points and 2 assists in 23 minutes on the court, after some solid performances at the 2012 adidas Eurocamp. In the open court he is tremendously effective with the ability to finish above the rim in basically every transition. In the half court game he has the ability to beat his defender off the dribble with a quick first step and crossovers, getting to the rim often and drawing contacts. Even if his shots lacks consistency, he has a good mechanics and technical basis in this fundamental, showing good progress since last season (from 27% to 34%), but there’s still a lot of work to do with his jump shot. He still needs to develop his playmaking skills, where he shows some glimpses in P&R situations but he has to add more consistency, he’s [B]not a point guard but rather a combo at the moment. Nedovic could be an intriguing pick at the end of the second round, where a team could invest in him developing over the next few years.[/QUOTE]
False. He's not the most athletic point guard in Europe. These guys are all either more athletic, or just as athletic.
Bo McCalebb
Bobby Brown
Vassilis Spanoulis
Walter Hodge
Jordan Farmar
Jamon Gordon
Sergio Llull
Thomas Heurtel
Mantas Kalnietis
Victor Sada
Ricky Hickman
Michael Taylor
Pau Ribas
Tomas Satoransky
Dimitrios Katsivelis
Dimitriy Khvostov
Sergey Bykov
Jeremy Pargo
He's not more athletic than any of those point guards that are playing in Europe.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]False. He's not the most athletic point guard in Europe. These guys are all either more athletic, or just as athletic.
Bo McCalebb
Bobby Brown
Vassilis Spanoulis
Walter Hodge
Jordan Farmar
Jamon Gordon
Sergio Llull
Thomas Heurtel
Mantas Kalnietis
Victor Sada
Ricky Hickman
Michael Taylor
Pau Ribas
Tomas Satoransky
Dimitrios Katsivelis
Dimitriy Khvostov
Sergey Bykov
Jeremy Pargo
He's not more athletic than any of those point guards that are playing in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Well one opinion vs another
[QUOTE=Euroleague]False. He's not the most athletic point guard in Europe. These guys are all either more athletic, or just as athletic.
Bo McCalebb
Bobby Brown
Vassilis Spanoulis
Walter Hodge
Jordan Farmar
Jamon Gordon
Sergio Llull
Thomas Heurtel
Mantas Kalnietis
Victor Sada
Ricky Hickman
Michael Taylor
Pau Ribas
Tomas Satoransky
Dimitrios Katsivelis
Dimitriy Khvostov
Sergey Bykov
Jeremy Pargo
He's not more athletic than any of those point guards that are playing in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Often people say the guy is athletic just because he jumps high. And thats the truth with Nedovic. Hes one of the best hoppers at his position.
[QUOTE=iamgine]Well one opinion vs another[/QUOTE]
What you posted was opinion. What I posted was fact.
His defense is horrible , not good at organising the offense , inconsistant shooter but is athletic ( has higher vertical than Rose ) .
[QUOTE=Euroleague]What you posted was opinion. What I posted was fact.[/QUOTE]
What do you consider when determining the better athlete? I think there must be a difference in definition for you to be able to justify your list as better athletes
[QUOTE=el gringos]What do you consider when determining the better athlete? I think there must be a difference in definition for you to be able to justify your list as better athletes[/QUOTE]
Athletic ability genius.
And I did not say they were all better athletes. I said some were better and some as good. I just said he isn't the most athletic point guard in Europe, like was being claimed here.
He's definitely athletic, but nothing all that particularly special by top European basketball standards for his position.
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]His defense is horrible , not good at organising the offense , inconsistant shooter but is athletic ( has higher vertical than Rose ) .[/QUOTE]
Do you have any updates on Teodosic's injury status? Do you know if he will play this summer or not? If not, do you think Ivkovic will make Nedovic the main point guard?
His weaknesses worry me far more than his strengths intrigue me. In a leauge filled with extremly athletic guards, having a point guard come from overseas who lacks playmaking skills and defensive abilty isn't that great.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Athletic ability genius.
And I did not say they were all better athletes. I said some were better and some as good. I just said he isn't the most athletic point guard in Europe, like was being claimed here.
He's definitely athletic, but nothing all that particularly special by top European basketball standards for his position.[/QUOTE]
I was hoping you had an explanation for your ridiculous statement but instead you just get defensive?
There is no logical way you could put farmar or v-span on the same level or higher for athleticism with nedovic. I don't know the rest of your list, but from what you think of those 3 guys then its hard to take any of what you say- and you call it fact
I wrote the post for opinions from those who might know- I thought maybe you'd fit in that group
And just in case you were planning to respond to me Euroleauge, you're on my ignore list so don't bother:oldlol:
[QUOTE=el gringos]I was hoping you had an explanation for your ridiculous statement but instead you just get defensive?
There is no logical way you could put farmar or v-span on the same level or higher for athleticism with nedovic. I don't know the rest of your list, but from what you think of those 3 guys then its hard to take any of what you say- and you call it fact
I wrote the post for opinions from those who might know- I thought maybe you'd fit in that group[/QUOTE]
You are a ****ing MORON. No way in hell is Nedovic more athletic than Farmar and Spanoulis.
[B]**** OFF IDIOT.[/B]
[QUOTE=Purch]His weaknesses worry me far more than his strengths intrigue me. [B]In a leauge filled with extremly athletic guards, having a point guard come from overseas who lacks playmaking skills and defensive abilty isn't that great.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, because Goran Dragic sure is terrible in the NBA..................
He's the same type of point guard as Dragic.
Athletic, stupid, no defense, not a real point guard in truth, because of lack of real point guard skills.
Dragic has had no trouble in the NBA.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]You are a ****ing MORON. No way in hell is Nedovic more athletic than Farmar and Spanoulis.
[B]**** OFF IDIOT.[/B][/QUOTE]
Faster, quicker, better jumper= more athletic
The only thing that could be moronic is me trying to hear you out- I knew most see you as a clown that doesn't understand anything about the nba, but now I can see how far out in your own world you are
You go back and forth about dragic in the same post (has no problems in the nba yet is too dumb and not a real pg). Thank you for ruining a thread with your stupidity.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Do you have any updates on Teodosic's injury status? Do you know if he will play this summer or not? If not, do you think Ivkovic will make Nedovic the main point guard?[/QUOTE]
Nedovic wont be main point guard in serbia's team under any circumstance. It doesnt depend on weather Teo will miss championship or not.
[QUOTE=el gringos]Faster, quicker, better jumper= more athletic
The only thing that could be moronic is me trying to hear you out- I knew most see you as a clown that doesn't understand anything about the nba, but now I can see how far out in your own world you are
You go back and forth about dragic in the same post (has no problems in the nba yet is too dumb and not a real pg). Thank you for ruining a thread with your stupidity.[/QUOTE]
That's funny dumb ass. He's not faster or quicker than Spanoulis or Farmar. He's not even as fast or as quick as Spanoulis or Farmar. He jumps higher than Spanoulis, but not by all that much (probably no more than 5-7 inches at most), and probably Farmar is within 2-3 inches of him jumping wise.
And Spanoulis is [B]miles and miles ahead of him[/B] in lateral quickness, agility, dexterity, eye hand coordination, strength, and body control.
You are a god damn retard.
And Dragic does fine in the NBA, despite being a retarded point guard. What the hell are you even talking about?
Do you actually think Dragic is anything other than a low IQ all athletic guard? If so, you are yet another freaking a$$ clown troll. Dragic is a European point guard that is athletic and that has an extremely low basketball IQ. The point is that he is doing fine in the NBA.
Point being, someone said such point guards won't make it in the NBA. That's obviously not true, as Dragic is just that exact kind of point guard.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]That's funny dumb ass. He's not faster or quicker than Spanoulis or Farmar. He's not even as fast or as quick as Spanoulis or Farmar. He jumps higher than Spanoulis, but not by all that much (probably no more than 5-7 inches at most), and probably Farmar is within 2-3 inches of him jumping wise.
And Spanoulis is [B]miles and miles ahead of him[/B] in lateral quickness, agility, dexterity, eye hand coordination, strength, and body control.
You are a god damn retard.
And Dragic does fine in the NBA, despite being a retarded point guard. What the hell are you even talking about?
Do you actually think Dragic is anything other than a low IQ all athletic guard? If so, you are yet another freaking a$$ clown troll. Dragic is a European point guard that is athletic and that has an extremely low basketball IQ. The point is that he is doing fine in the NBA.
Point being, someone said such point guards won't make it in the NBA. That's obviously not true, as Dragic is just that exact kind of point guard.[/QUOTE]
You're just jealous.
VSpan can never be good
As Dragic
When they are up against the best :rolleyes:
Spanoulis is strictly a minor league stud:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Athletic ability genius.
And I did not say they were all better athletes. I said some were better and some as good. I just said he isn't the most athletic point guard in Europe, like was being claimed here.
He's definitely athletic, but nothing all that particularly [B]special by top European basketball standards for his position[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yes the European basketball standards for his position where undrafted players like Bobby Brown of 5.1 ppg, 1.8 apg and .384% shooting in the NBA comes over to Euroleague, wins the scoring title, was 4th in assists, 1st in index rating, tied the post 2000 single game scoring record, named Euroleague MVP of the month for January, averaged 18.8 ppg, 5.3 apg, shooting .411%, scored in double figures in 22 games (out of 24), reached the 20-point mark on 10 occasions, and got to 30 points twice, all this on a team that was .500 in the Top 16.
Shows how the worst NBA, scrub PGs can come over to the top league in Europe and just dominate!
[QUOTE=Euroleague]What you posted was opinion. What I posted was fact.[/QUOTE]
Umm no both are opinions
[QUOTE=iamgine]Umm no both are opinions[/QUOTE]
Yeah well strange how not a single European basketball fan in this thread agreed with it.
[QUOTE=gabepizza]Yes the European basketball standards for his position where undrafted players like Bobby Brown of 5.1 ppg, 1.8 apg and .384% shooting in the NBA comes over to Euroleague, wins the scoring title, was 4th in assists, 1st in index rating, tied the post 2000 single game scoring record, named Euroleague MVP of the month for January, averaged 18.8 ppg, 5.3 apg, shooting .411%, scored in double figures in 22 games (out of 24), reached the 20-point mark on 10 occasions, and got to 30 points twice, all this on a team that was .500 in the Top 16.
Shows how the worst NBA, scrub PGs can come over to the top league in Europe and just dominate![/QUOTE]
Is this the same Bobby Brown that played on a .500 Euroleague team?
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=SIE&seasoncode=e2012[/url]
Montepaschi Siena
Total Record 12 wins, 12 losses
Is this the same Bobby Brown that played on the team that lost the Italian SuperCup?
[url]http://195.56.77.210/game/supercup2012.html[/url]
Montepaschi Siena 73
Mapooro Cant
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Is this the same Bobby Brown that played on a .500 Euroleague team?
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=SIE&seasoncode=e2012[/url]
Montepaschi Siena
Total Record 12 wins, 12 losses
Is this the same Bobby Brown that played on the team that lost the Italian SuperCup?
[url]http://195.56.77.210/game/supercup2012.html[/url]
Montepaschi Siena 73
Mapooro Cant
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Yeah well strange how not a single European basketball fan in this thread agreed with it.[/QUOTE]
That's cause there's only a single european basketball fan in this thread.
[QUOTE=iamgine]That's cause there's only a single european basketball fan in this thread.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that is true at all- it's just that none of them are dumb enough to agree to a list of 20 guards with equal or better athleticism than Nedovic who clearly has nba level athleticism.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Do you have any updates on Teodosic's injury status? Do you know if he will play this summer or not? If not, do you think Ivkovic will make Nedovic the main point guard?[/QUOTE]
It looks like he'll play but even if he doesn't Nedovic wouldn't be our first pg since Markovic is a lot better .
[QUOTE=Fiba basketball]It looks like he'll play but even if he doesn't Nedovic wouldn't be our first pg since Markovic is a lot better .[/QUOTE]
Lol @ Markovic being a lot better than Nedovic. Guy is a non scoring threat, defenders can stand 3 meters off him.
And lol @ Spanoulis being better athlete than Nedovic. Span is better player, don't get me wrong, but they are not on the same level athletically.
As for the thread.
Nedovic would do good on a fast paced team. He must further improve his shooting, decision making and overall PG skills. I'd like him to make it, but right now he just got a huge upside due to athletic ability.
He seems like a really good guy, very coachable, full of respect and his dream is to play in the NBA.
[QUOTE=el gringos]I don't think that is true at all- it's just that none of them are dumb enough to agree to a list of 20 guards with equal or better athleticism than Nedovic who clearly has nba level athleticism.[/QUOTE]
About half of that list is true however.
[QUOTE=jamal99]Lol @ Markovic being a lot better than Nedovic. Guy is a non scoring threat, defenders can stand 3 meters off him.[/QUOTE]
it is clear that you havent watched markovic plays during ACB league. He clearly can't have 20 pts per match, but he can get 10 pts 7 as 6 rb plus great defense, any given time. Not to mention his experience over Nedovic.
his role in valencia is similar to serbia's team, back up point guard, who can pressure ball in defence, distribute ball efficiently and score a couple of buckets
[QUOTE=duskovujosevic]it is clear that you havent watched markovic plays during ACB league. He clearly can't have 20 pts per match, but he can get 10 pts 7 as 6 rb plus great defense, any given time. Not to mention his experience over Nedovic.
his role in valencia is similar to serbia's team, back up point guard, who can pressure ball in defence, distribute ball efficiently and score a couple of buckets[/QUOTE]
Markovic is first pg for Valencia .
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Yeah, because Goran Dragic sure is terrible in the NBA..................
He's the same type of point guard as Dragic.
Athletic, stupid, no defense, not a real point guard in truth, because of lack of real point guard skills.
Dragic has had no trouble in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Dragic>>>>>>>>Nedovic.
I have watched both here in Europe. At the stage prior to moving to the NBA, Dragic was much better than Nedovic. Better IQ, better shooter and ball handler. Nedovic will get a real shot at the Serbian national team in September for the European championship, we'll see how it goes. He does have exceptional physical attributes, but skills and IQ wise he's shaky.
[QUOTE=duskovujosevic]it is clear that you havent watched markovic plays during ACB league. He clearly can't have 20 pts per match, but he can get 10 pts 7 as 6 rb plus great defense, any given time. Not to mention his experience over Nedovic.
his role in valencia is similar to serbia's team, back up point guard, who can pressure ball in defence, distribute ball efficiently and score a couple of buckets[/QUOTE]
His averages in ACB are 5/4/3, not really 10/7/6 at any given time... 22% from the 3 also.
I know he plays great defense, but Serbia needs offense from PG position. If Teodosic doesn't play, we're pretty much screwed...
[QUOTE=jamal99]His averages in ACB are 5/4/3, not really 10/7/6 at any given time... 22% from the 3 also.
I know he plays great defense, but Serbia needs offense from PG position. If Teodosic doesn't play, we're pretty much screwed...[/QUOTE]
How many times did you watch him play this season ? He had 8 apg in playoffs ( I know they only played 3 games and lost 2 but he had 11 assist in deciding game so it's not his fault ) , he broke EC record for most assist in one game , he holds EC record in total assists since 2010/2011 .
Nedovic is more athletic than him but Markovic is our most athletic guard after Nedovic and is better at every othere part of the game than him except for shooting but Nedovic is only slightly better at that .
[QUOTE=el gringos]I don't think that is true at all- it's just that none of them are dumb enough to agree to a list of 20 guards with equal or better athleticism than Nedovic who clearly has nba level athleticism.[/QUOTE]
You are a ****ing moron. Every player I listed has "NBA level athleticism". Hell, Ty Lawson could not even beat guys off the dribble in half court in Euroleague.