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definitely NAY!
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you want everyone laughing at you? i remember i called a moving screen on someone, and dudes took it so salty and got so heated they wanted to fight me throughout the rest of the game. got over physical and started hacking me on defense. im friends with them now though :oldlol:
say no to charges. in other words, get yo weight up son :cheers:
I would never attempt to take a charge in a pick-up game. 99% of my pick-up opponents would also never attempt to take a charge in that setting. For whatever reason, the idea of drawing a charge in a pick-up game is most often treated similarly to someone attempting to call 3-seconds or illegal defense. The charge just never carried over to the street game.
There's usually a few people every year who try to call them though. In most cases, there's a collective "C'mon dude, seriously? You're trying to take a charge?" feeling. Though, in one instance, I do recall playing in a relatively unfamiliar gym when a small guard stepped in and took a charge on a fast break during pick-up. I initially laughed in disbelief and protested, asking, "You're taking a charge during a pickup game?" to which one of my own teammates stepped up to me and reasoned, "Well, I mean, you [i]do[/i] drive to the basket kind of hard." At that point, my brain just about exploded.
So, if someone feels strongly about getting the charge call, I'll give it to them, but it's typically not something I'd like to have a part of pick-up games. I feel like it kind of throws off a pick-up game's equilibrium. Like, if charges come into play, thus minimizing one's ability to go hard in the paint, then I feel like people would have to start calling more reaching fouls and shooting fouls to compensate. And no one wants that.
Further, I think charges in pick-up games can be very dangerous, particularly on concrete. I last thing I want to deal with as I'm becoming airborne down at the park is a guy trying to slide in to take a charge too late and accidentally undercutting me in the process. And to be truthful, considering real deal ball players have a hard enough time putting [i]themselves[/i] in position to take a charge, chances are pick-up amateurs are going to be accidentally undercutting folks left and right.
It just seems like pick-up games have certain unwritten rules - play through ticky tack calls that might have been whistled during real games, play hard, go strong, don't take charges.
Ive never ever seen it happen once. Its kinda common sense on the court. You would get laughed at if you did that
Taking a charge is cool, it just wont get called. So really, it's no reason to take one.
A big HELL no
if you take a charge on me and call it, by everything that is sacred, I will foul the living s*** out of you the next play. B****es get stitches
I got a question regarding this. I was playing 5 on 5 yesterday and i was guarding this guy and denied the ball the whole time. and one possession, he had the ball and drove in picked the ball up pushed me off with a clear fore-arm and some of my teammates were trying to call it an offensive foul, but they said no it wasnt. so i decided to just keep fouling him and defense, annoy him reach in everything. so what should i have done, get my way and call it an offensive foul or just hack him the whole time on defense?
[QUOTE=L3B120N J4M35]I got a question regarding this. I was playing 5 on 5 yesterday and i was guarding this guy and denied the ball the whole time. and one possession, he had the ball and drove in picked the ball up pushed me off with a clear fore-arm and some of my teammates were trying to call it an offensive foul, but they said no it wasnt. so i decided to just keep fouling him and defense, annoy him reach in everything. so what should i have done, get my way and call it an offensive foul or just hack him the whole time on defense?[/QUOTE]
Usually, when that happens, it just gives me the green light to play overly physical right back. It usually just gets me more pumped up and motivated during the game.
It's just pickup ball, so there's not much you can do but play hard right back at them.
[QUOTE=L3B120N J4M35]I got a question regarding this. I was playing 5 on 5 yesterday and i was guarding this guy and denied the ball the whole time. and one possession, he had the ball and drove in picked the ball up pushed me off with a clear fore-arm and some of my teammates were trying to call it an offensive foul, but they said no it wasnt. so i decided to just keep fouling him and defense, annoy him reach in everything. so what should i have done, get my way and call it an offensive foul or just hack him the whole time on defense?[/QUOTE]I think situations like that will always arise somewhere. There's certain unwritten rules of streetball and when a clear one is broken, the entire system can sometimes malfunction. I think your situation is an example of that.
For the most part, if an offensive player does something ridiculous like that wild, obnoxious forearm you mentioned, it'll often be so obvious that the offensive player will openly acknowledge his wrongdoing. That said, there's sometimes those who will argue their own dirty play like that, which then leads to an escalation in contact (like you mentioned) which usually tends to come to a head where play then has to stop and players have to be separated.
We have situations like that pop up with one of the kids I used to coach. He's 20 years old and now goes 6'6'' 230, but his offensive moves tend to lack lateral motion from the perimeter. As such, I regularly anticipate his slow moves beat him to a spot 19 feet away from the hoop, but he just tries to bull through any one standing directly in front of him. Inevitably, if he overpowers me through illegal means (the head down bull rush through my body from the three point line down to the bucket), it'll probably lead to illegal defensive means as a counter. Then we both get pissed. He tells me to stop fouling. I tell him to actually attempt to make a move [i]around[/i] a defender on the perimeter. Then we both acknowledge our faults and move forward.
I played with some older guys the other day and they called 3 seconds in the paint, and a foul on basically any form of contact when I'm defending. I'm like...wow ok. So I'm playing anyway though. I get the ball on offense. I blow by one of them, received a blow to the stomach, post up, where i'm then shouldered off like a running back so I shoot it, miss, grab the offensive board, and receive an elbow to the back of the head when going up. I hate it when people cry for foul but then play physical as shit on the other end of the court, I smell pu$$y
Even aside from the lameness factor, it's just too much of an injury risk for both people in a game that won't matter 10 minutes from now. The guy in the air and the guy getting hit can both get hurt bad from that
[QUOTE=B-Low]Even aside from the lameness factor, it's just too much of an injury risk for both people in a game that won't matter 10 minutes from now. The guy in the air and the guy getting hit can both get hurt bad from that[/QUOTE]
Yeah, stuff like charges are just a little too intense for some regular dudes playing a pick-up game. Pick-up is to have fun and compete, not to take charges and slap the floor like some schmuck from Duke.
Some people just get weirdly intense with stuff like that tho. I've had dudes pick me up full court an entire game when I'm playing point lol.
[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Yeah, stuff like charges are just a little too intense for some regular dudes playing a pick-up game. Pick-up is to have fun and compete, not to take charges and slap the floor like some schmuck from Duke.
Some people just get weirdly intense with stuff like that tho. I've had dudes pick me up full court an entire game when I'm playing point lol.[/QUOTE]I'm A-OK with people playing as hard as they can. I've guarded people full court in pickup games before, usually when I sense they're not someone who's going to like dealing with that pressure, leading them to give up the ball early. Sometimes it's easier to pick up full and force an early pass than allowing a player to saunter downcourt and have an open opportunity to make something happen in the half court. Sometimes dangerous half court ball players still don't like having to work their way out of the backcourt.
Back to the point though, I just think there's a difference between playing hard and playing dangerous and oftentimes, attempting to take charges (especially outdoors) can be very dangerous for the offensive and defensive player.
[QUOTE=Rake2204]I'm A-OK with people playing as hard as they can. I've guarded people full court in pickup games before, usually when I sense they're not someone who's going to like dealing with that pressure, leading them to give up the ball early. Sometimes it's easier to pick up full and force an early pass than allowing a player to saunter downcourt and have an open opportunity to make something happen in the half court. Sometimes dangerous half court ball players still don't like having to work their way out of the backcourt.
Back to the point though, I just think there's a difference between playing hard and playing dangerous and oftentimes, attempting to take charges (especially outdoors) can be very dangerous for the offensive and defensive player.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I had a problem with stuff like that. I just mean stuff like taking charges and always picking up full court strikes me as a little odd in a pick-up game. The full court D is all good, altho I consider it a waste of time and energy vs any reasonably skilled player, because its just a case of effort and not putting anyone in harm's way.
Charges are too risky with the potential to get flipped around in the air and land badly.
Hell no.
I remember coming down to my local university courts. People were saying that the team on the court had won a certain number of games in a row, but they were playing like bitches, etc.
So I gather up a random team to get a game. They start getting their asses handed to them, and the dudes try to start calling moving screens and charges. lol... I had the ball in my hands at the time and I told them to play through it, or get the f*ck off the court. Sure enough, they shut up, and lost 7-1. lol...
Moral of the story. Don't call that shit, or try and take charges, because you will most likely be thought of as a bitch.
[QUOTE=plowking]Hell no.
I remember coming down to my local university courts. People were saying that the team on the court had won a certain number of games in a row, but they were playing like bitches, etc.
So I gather up a random team to get a game. They start getting their asses handed to them, and the dudes try to start calling moving screens and charges. lol... I had the ball in my hands at the time and I told them to play through it, or get the f*ck off the court. Sure enough, they shut up, and lost 7-1. lol...
Moral of the story. Don't call that shit, or try and take charges, because you will most likely be thought of as a bitch.[/QUOTE]
people drive into your chest at full speed and call fouls. that is what bothers me about playing with no charges. I don't take charges but every once in a while I'll tell some bum what he is doing and I will never give them that bull shit call.
Also, if you are really trying to spam moving screens etc. then it should be called if you are altering the game and playing decent comp. I have run many a court and if someone if walking through screens while im chasing a shooter then I'm either running over them or calling it. Depends on the setting tho.
[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]Oh, I didn't mean to imply that I had a problem with stuff like that. I just mean stuff like taking charges and always picking up full court strikes me as a little odd in a pick-up game. The full court D is all good, altho I consider it a waste of time and energy vs any reasonably skilled player, because its just a case of effort and not putting anyone in harm's way.
Charges are too risky with the potential to get flipped around in the air and land badly.[/QUOTE]I am once again in agreement with your feelings on charges in streetball. And I understand you don't necessarily have a problem with full court defense. It's not something I do a lot, but I do believe it's a completely acceptable play, as opposed to charge taking.
Some believe full court pressure is a waste of time and energy versus any reasonably skilled player, but I do not necessarily agree. I consider myself reasonably skilled and if a tireless and skilled defender picks me up full court while I'm handling the ball, it's not always awesome. I mean, it doesn't lead to a litany of turnovers, but it can definitely take me out of a groove and possibly wear me out quicker than normal.
On the other hand, I've had some out-of-shape shlubs give full court pressure a shot and it more or less leads to a non-stop 5-on-4 fast break. But if the right player is guarding the right guy, it can be advantageous to extend defensive pressure.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]people drive into your chest at full speed and call fouls. that is what bothers me about playing with no charges. I don't take charges but every once in a while I'll tell some bum what he is doing and I will never give them that bull shit call.
Also, if you are really trying to spam moving screens etc. then it should be called if you are altering the game and playing decent comp. I have run many a court and if someone if walking through screens while im chasing a shooter then I'm either running over them or calling it. Depends on the setting tho.[/QUOTE]Yep, I'm with you on both fronts. Some type of balance must be struck between the offensive and defensive player in the "drive into chest" situations.
Moving screens can actually be a real problem too. I'm assuming that, like me, you're not referring to guys who just kind of don't have their feet set. Rather, we're talking about the folks who are more or less bulldozing opponents on the move, like a downfield block. I've played with one guy in particular who waited until his point guard began driving to the hoop, then he'd run up from the block and meet and blind side the recovering defender at full speed in the middle of the paint. [i]That[/i] was an issue.
Like you said though, a lot of those instances don't necessarily result in moving pick fouls. Instead, I tend to respond in kind. If a player is setting a running pick, I will attempt to run through it with a shoulder down, which, at 6'3'' 170 doesn't always do much, but it usually gets the point across.
One thing about the full court D is that if the pressure is actually good usually you can just pass it to someone guarded by a defender unwilling to go full court.
Stuff like that is almost always poorly coordinated in a pick-up setting.
[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]One thing about the full court D is that if the pressure is actually good usually you can just pass it to someone guarded by a defender unwilling to go full court.
Stuff like that is almost always poorly coordinated in a pick-up setting.[/QUOTE]Right, and oftentimes, that's the idea. One of the rare times I'd opt for full court pressure is when my opponent seems to be, by a safe distance, his team's best ballhandler but someone who still might opt to get the ball up the easier way (i.e. passing to an open teammate) rather than trying to break me down one on one for the length of the floor. In that case, it puts the onus on his less experienced ball handling teammates to get things going, which is sometimes enough to throw off a team's entire rhythm.
Defending the length of the floor is not standard for me. It's just situational, depending upon whether I see a weakness in my opponent or his teammates.
The problem is scrubs don't know what it's like to actually get hacked in the lane, so they consistently call ticky tack bullshit every time they drive.
If they wanna feel what it's like, they should feel the shit I don't call on them when they reach and hack off the dribble.
I don't take it personally, but it sucks because I could call those kinds of fouls EVERY TIME. I just hate having to check it up again. Pain in the ass.
One of the last times I played one on one with someone I kept doing my drive-stepback j move, or a Dirk post move, and I was playing at about 35%.
He was playing super hard and beat me like 11-9 and then had the audacity to try and give me 'tips'. He said stuff like, "You should really drive to the basket and learn to finish with contact."
I'm great at finishing with contact. I scored most of my points by slashing to the basket when I played.
I responded with, "Why would I do that in an un-reffed one on one game that I don't care about?" It's only going to lead to more chances to get hurt.
Just more examples on why I hate playing pick up with people.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]One of the last times I played one on one with someone I kept doing my drive-stepback j move, or a Dirk post move, and I was playing at about 35%.
He was playing super hard and beat me like 11-9 and then had the audacity to try and give me 'tips'. He said stuff like, "You should really drive to the basket and learn to finish with contact."
I'm great at finishing with contact. I scored most of my points by slashing to the basket when I played.
I responded with, "Why would I do that in an un-reffed one on one game that I don't care about?" It's only going to lead to more chances to get hurt.
Just more examples on why I hate playing pick up with people.[/QUOTE]Was this someone you did not know? That'd be relatively strange for a random person to give unsolicited basketball advice in a situation like that (especially if you're both adults and about the same age).
But also, why play 1-on-1 but only go 35%? I'm not sure I treat each impromptu 1-on-1 contest as life or death, but unless my opponent is literally terrible (which happens sometimes) I tend to give it a solid shot.
[QUOTE=Rake2204]Was this someone you did not know? That'd be relatively strange for a random person to give unsolicited basketball advice in a situation like that (especially if you're both adults and about the same age).
But also, why play 1-on-1 but only go 35%? I'm not sure I treat each impromptu 1-on-1 contest as life or death, but unless my opponent is literally terrible (which happens sometimes) I tend to give it a solid shot.[/QUOTE]
Never met or even saw the person before. I was 22 he was probably a year or two older. He kept talking about how he 'he was the last guy cut from the college team'.
I really only go to shoot around and work on moves by myself, basically meditate/shut my brain off. I was the only person there and he started shooting on my hoop, then asked to play like 3 times. It put me in a weird spot.
I don't go hard because I don't see the point. I'm not making a career out of ball, I end up getting hurt often because of past knee/ankle injuries, there's no ref, who knows how the person will take losing, etc. I play just hard enough to look like I'm trying... Basically I just keep the score competitive.
Since most players in pick-up are much worse, I also give half effort to avoid small injuries. If they are close to winning I turn it on and make it clear to them they have no chance when I do.
It's pretty easy to score at will if they don't know how to defend the dribble.
[QUOTE=ProfessorMurder]Never met or even saw the person before. I was 22 he was probably a year or two older. He kept talking about how he 'he was the last guy cut from the college team'.
I really only go to shoot around and work on moves by myself, basically meditate/shut my brain off. I was the only person there and he started shooting on my hoop, then asked to play like 3 times. It put me in a weird spot.
I don't go hard because I don't see the point. I'm not making a career out of ball, I end up getting hurt often because of past knee/ankle injuries, there's no ref, who knows how the person will take losing, etc. I play just hard enough to look like I'm trying... Basically I just keep the score competitive.[/QUOTE]Makes sense. It always seems to be the weird, give-too-much-information guys who tend to challenge strangers to games of one-on-one. I don't mean that sarcastically either. Through the years I've discovered there's honestly a lot more people out there like that.
[QUOTE=Pushxx]Since most players in pick-up are much worse, I also give half effort to avoid small injuries. If they are close to winning I turn it on and make it clear to them they have no chance when I do.
It's pretty easy to score at will if they don't know how to defend the dribble.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. I suppose we all have our reasons. I personally try to go hard whenever possible and when I don't, my day of basketball often feels incomplete or like a failure. My thing has always been to go hard, even against people I was better than (unless they were playing at a 5th grade level) so I can still get something worthwhile out of it.
It also seems to step things up a notch across the board, making the other people who were only giving half effort actually go a bit harder. I've noticed effort is contagious. It's like how I used to slow down my fast break to allow non-effort-giving teammates to saunter up the floor back in high school. Then one day it dawned to me that I should be making [i]them[/i] keep up with [i]me[/i]. Not the other way around. That's kind of how it tends to work with effort.
I truly see where you're coming from though. It's just, I realized a long time ago that if I only played hard when I decided the competition was absolutely perfect, I'd have spent 95% of my post-organized league days playing at 50%, and that seemed like a lose-lose for everybody. Instead, I decided to almost always push myself so when I was the best player on the floor, people would be able to see why (and try harder and improve from playing against me) and then when I [i]wasn't[/i] the best player on the court, I'd still be conditioned and used to competing and pushing myself at a high level. My game is pretty habitual, for I have never really had the luxury of playing 50% when I wanted then adequately kicking it up to 100% when the time called. If I want to play well, I have to make a habit of playing hard.