Its hard to compare to be honest. Duncan played in a true team system. If he had the ball in his hands as much as bron his stats would be even better. I really dont think you can compare the 2 to be honest.
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Its hard to compare to be honest. Duncan played in a true team system. If he had the ball in his hands as much as bron his stats would be even better. I really dont think you can compare the 2 to be honest.
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy;13951056]Duncan wasn't the best player for all 5 titles. So the "original team" and "staying" stuff doesn't mean a lot.
Besides, what's your second sentence have to do with the comparison?[/QUOTE]
You could argue that he was, unless you think the FMVP is the only thing that matters. He clearly was the best player in the first 4. He was better than Kawhi through the RS and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs in 2014, the Finals were one-sided and the margin between him & Kawhi wasn't that great.
Pop doesn't bench him for that play in Game 6 and you're looking at an undefeated Finals record with 4 FMVPs. It really is a shame because we only remember that game/series for Ray Allen's shot, but completely overlook a 37 y.o Duncan going for 30/17 with a +16 in a close-out game that they should have won.
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13951691]You could argue that he was, unless you think the FMVP is the only thing that matters. He clearly was the best player in the first 4. He was better than Kawhi through the RS and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs in 2014, the Finals were one-sided and the margin between him & Kawhi wasn't that great.
Pop doesn't bench him for that play in Game 6 and you're looking at an undefeated Finals record with 4 FMVPs. It really is a shame because we only remember that game/series for Ray Allen's shot, but completely overlook a 37 y.o Duncan going for 30/17 with a +16 in a close-out game that they should have won.[/QUOTE]
better believe that finals MVPs matter... its the ultimate goal in sports, carrying your team to a title...
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13951691]You could argue that he was, unless you think the FMVP is the only thing that matters. He clearly was the best player in the first 4. He was better than Kawhi through the RS and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs in 2014, the Finals were one-sided and the margin between him & Kawhi wasn't that great.
Pop doesn't bench him for that play in Game 6 and you're looking at an undefeated Finals record with 4 FMVPs. It really is a shame because we only remember that game/series for Ray Allen's shot, but completely overlook a 37 y.o Duncan going for 30/17 with a +16 in a close-out game that they should have won.[/QUOTE]
Truth. 👍
[QUOTE=ImKobe;13951691]You could argue that he was, unless you think the FMVP is the only thing that matters. He clearly was the best player in the first 4. He was better than Kawhi through the RS and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs in 2014, the Finals were one-sided and the margin between him & Kawhi wasn't that great.
Pop doesn't bench him for that play in Game 6 and you're looking at an undefeated Finals record with 4 FMVPs. It really is a shame because we only remember that game/series for Ray Allen's shot, but completely overlook a 37 y.o Duncan going for 30/17 with a +16 in a close-out game that they should have won.[/QUOTE]
How about Kawhi missing the FT? Pop made a minmax decision on the fly. The dice rolled snake eyes. Shit happens.
[QUOTE=FKAri;13951702]How about Kawhi missing the FT? Pop made a min/max decision on the fly. The dice rolled snake eyes. Shit happens.[/QUOTE]
How about Manu & Kawhi BOTH having to miss FTs in the first place? How about Pop benching Duncan on that play where the Heat get the offensive rebound? I wonder how much it really altered Tim's legacy. That was going to be an all-time great run for him.
[QUOTE=red1;13951694]better believe that finals MVPs matter... its the ultimate goal in sports, carrying your team to a title...[/QUOTE]
But the Finals is just one series. Duncan was the best player through 90-100 something games but he didn't carry his team because a teammate of his happened to put up better numbers in a one-sided 4-5 game series in the end?
That finals series in 2013 was a funny and bizarre one when all of you think of it. The defending champion miami heat with 3-all stars had a hard time dispatching a veteran spurs team led by the likes of duncan, parker and ginobili, as well as rising star leonard that time. They needed all the 7 games just to overcome them, only for the spurs to avenge their defeat one finals later in a one-sided, no contest 5 game battle in 2014.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;13951683]Its hard to compare to be honest. Duncan played in a true team system. If he had the ball in his hands as much as bron his stats would be even better. I really dont think you can compare the 2 to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Probably less championship without Popovich and his system. LBJ is just a better regular season playoffs and Finals performer than TD.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;13951841]Probably less championship without Popovich and his system. LBJ is just a better regular season playoffs and Finals performer than TD.[/QUOTE]
I think you meant to say he gets slightly better stats while losing all the time.
[QUOTE=Lebron23;13951841]Probably less championship without Popovich and his system. LBJ is just a better regular season playoffs and Finals performer than TD.[/QUOTE]
Popovich's system is just FLOURISHING without Duncan that's for sure. They have talent in DeRozan and this guy the PF/C Aldridge
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[QUOTE=Lebron23;13951841]Probably less championship without Popovich and his system. LBJ is just a better regular season playoffs and Finals performer than TD.[/QUOTE]
Yes. LeBron is better than Duncan and it's not even close.
LeBron leads Duncan for points, assists, FG percentage, PER, and WS.
LeBron has 3 more MVPs than Duncan. He has gone to more Finals than Duncan did.
Its not even a debate. Whos better.
[QUOTE=Turbo Slayer;13952107]LeBron leads Duncan for points, assists, FG percentage, PER, and WS.
LeBron has 3 more MVPs than Duncan. He has gone to more Finals than Duncan did.
Its not even a debate. Whos better.[/QUOTE]
duno, you need to get your squad to vote. polls are open :lol
Before lebron james even got to his first finals in 2007, duncan was already a 3-time champion and had 3 fmvps. Prior to being drafted in 1997, the spurs only had a dismal record of 20-62 in the 1996-97 season. Suddenly things began to turn around for the spurs, with a tandem of robinson and duncan spearheading the team, resulting to their very first nba title in the shortened-lockout season in 1999 and multiple winning seasons that resulted to more than five consecutive playoff berths, as well as three more titles in the 00s. When it comes to popularity though, he is not as popular as shaq or any other similar player because he doesn't seem to play with dominance a lot in the court like they do but still he is capable.