[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]kid on the other team went 34/44 for 70. More impressive.[/QUOTE]
34 layups and two free throws?
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[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]kid on the other team went 34/44 for 70. More impressive.[/QUOTE]
34 layups and two free throws?
Watched the UCLA game on DVR late last night and the team is clearly a work in progress. They have too many offensive minded players and not enough movement off the ball. Still, you can see Shabazz can score in his sleep and Kyle Anderson is a very unique player.
A lot of people compare Muhammed to Harden and I can see some of the similarities but the former seems to have a higher motor and plays a more physical game. He's got a little MKG in him.
I've been impressed with Sam Dekker on Wisconsin.
[QUOTE=Grinder]I've been impressed with Sam Dekker on Wisconsin.[/QUOTE]
This guy.
Him and Marcus Smart were my two favorite players in this past recruiting class.
Dekker, right now, is good at everything, not great at anything. But you can tell he will become a very good shooter, and that alone with his ability off the dribble, his athleticism, his basketball IQ, and his natural size (what is he, 6-7?).. Terrific prospect. Actually kind of reminds me a little of Gallo. Who ironically I've never been a fan of. And, yes, I had to compare white with white.
[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]kid on the other team went 34/44 for 70. More impressive.[/QUOTE]
u trollin. If he took 550 shots and got 450 points it would still be amazing because nobody had scored that many points. When you start getting into record-breaking performances, throw efficiency out the window.
It's like saying someone worked their whole life to cure Cancer.
-Smak
Michigan was clearly better than Pitt but we played well. The team has no real identity on offense but they share the ball and scrap.
One thing I noticed at the Oakland game and tonight is that we struggle against zones a bit. We need to learn how to collapse the zone and get better shots than corner 3s. Our bigs are just too raw to make a difference on offense. Sad considering we are supposed to have a top freshman C and a former McDs All-American who is still nothing more than a hustle player as a senior.
Just found he game and started watching, but Adonis Thomas is a player.
Had a feeling he was going to be among those sophomores that were pretty highly rated coming out of high school but, for whatever reason had a semi-quiet freshman year, but would have breakout and/or monster sophomore seasons.
OK, I'm pretty sure the ACC is about to drown soon.
Send me to the Big Ten.
Hell, I'll take the SEC. Maybe that will get the NCAA off our ass and hopefully will destroy that piece of shit trailer school that has been hitched to our truck for all too long.
With Duke. With UVA. Not with NCSU... I don't care really care, tho. Please leave the ACC before there is no more room in, what will eventually become, the only 4 conferences with any type of relevance in the NCAA.
[QUOTE=IGotACoolStory]OK, I'm pretty sure the ACC is about to drown soon.
Send me to the Big Ten.
Hell, I'll take the SEC. Maybe that will get the NCAA off our ass and hopefully will destroy that piece of shit trailer school that has been hitched to our truck for all too long.
With Duke. With UVA. Not with NCSU... I don't care really care, tho. Please leave the ACC before there is no more room in, what will eventually become, the only 4 conferences with any type of relevance in the NCAA.[/QUOTE]
not really a fan of UNC or Duke but id love to see them in the SEC
oh eat a dick Dan Dakich
[quote=ukfan22]oh eat a dick Dan Dakich[/quote]lol, what's this about?
[quote=Burgz V2]not really a fan of UNC or Duke but id love to see them in the SEC[/quote] UNC, and sure as hell not Duke, would never go to the SEC.
UNC goes anywhere they're going to have to leave Duke, local political footballs be dammed. Duke's a small private school that brings absolutely nothing football wise. Great school, great basketball program, but that means pretty much nothing. ACC crumbles UNC and one of UVA or GA Tech are guaranteed Big Ten additions.
Dakich made some comments at the end of the KSt/Michigan game about the end of the UK/IU series. Basically blamed it on Cal, which is asinine and not true.
meh, IU alum, on Knight's staff for 10+ years
Oklahoma sucks but Im really liking Gonzaga's team this season. Theyve got better depth and size than they have had in the past.
bob knight approves:
[url]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/morehead-state-suspends-sean-woods-one-game-exchange-183708738--ncaab.html[/url]
Archie Goodwin might be the best guard Cal has had here
he is really good
Oregon can play with anybody in the nation.
20 year anniversary of the 1992 Duke/Kentucky game, and Duke and Kentucky have already played for just the third time since '92, and now those two coaches will be facing each other when Duke and Louisville play in the Battle for Atlantis finals tomorrow. Just the second time ever Coach K and Pitino have coached against each other.
we've actually played 4 times since 92, Duke is 3-1
there was a kind of forgotten game in 99, I barely remember details of it myself, other than they won
[QUOTE=ukfan22]we've actually played 4 times since 92, Duke is 3-1
there was a kind of forgotten game in 99, I barely remember details of it myself, other than they won[/QUOTE]
Forgot about that game. To be honest I thought they just said (during the Duke/Kentucky game a few weeks ago) that it was just the third time since 1992 the two teams were playing each other.
I'm actually more surprised this is the first time coach K and Pitino will face each other since 1992.
CSUN gonna kill BYU tomorrow and improve to 7-0
[QUOTE=KG215]Forgot about that game. To be honest I thought they just said (during the Duke/Kentucky game a few weeks ago) that it was just the third time since 1992 the two teams were playing each other.
I'm actually more surprised this is the first time coach K and Pitino will face each other since 1992.[/QUOTE]
that is surprising, I agree
[QUOTE=KG215]Just found he game and started watching, but Adonis Thomas is a player.
Had a feeling he was going to be among those sophomores that were pretty highly rated coming out of high school but, for whatever reason had a semi-quiet freshman year, but would have breakout and/or monster sophomore seasons.[/QUOTE]
His injury last year really set him back. He had a slow as **** start to the season, then said on twitter he was quitting it to focus more on basketball, and that started playing better.:oldlol:
Then got injured.:( And was out till the Tourney.
Tigers are disappointing me already. The pieces are there, I just still don't know if Pastner is the guy to put everything together. I'm not expecting top ten team don't get me wrong. I feel like losing to Minny was pretty bad. I knew they'd lose to VCU, bad matchup and all. But it was how they lost that pissed me off.
Northridge going to be 7-0 if they can pull this one off tonight.
Penn State's Tim Frazier, who's pretty much their only good player, tore his Achilles a few days ago. They'd be in full on tank mode if they were in the NBA, they may not win a conference game now.
In other news, this Duke/Louisville game's pretty great.
So Duke's beaten Kentucky, VCU, Minnesota, and Louisville. They should be #1 next week.
Illinois just BARELY pulled one out at home against Gardner Webb...Took a 3 pointer in the last 5 seconds to go up 1 and get the win. Hope that was just a hangover of sorts from the Maui trip. They need to be better than that at home.
[QUOTE=IlliniFan]Illinois just BARELY pulled one out at home against Gardner Webb...Took a 3 pointer in the last 5 seconds to go up 1 and get the win. Hope that was just a hangover of sorts from the Maui trip. They need to be better than that at home.[/QUOTE]
Hawaii and then Gardner-Webb? Gosh.. Thank god for seniors.
Jet-lagged Illini showing their resiliency.
Tonight first time for me watching Shabazz in live action.
What a win for Poly.
i have never missed a ucla basketball or football game since a year before i attended the university. i'll officially not watch another game until howland is fired. blowing a 17 point lead to cal ****ing poly and losing? unacceptable.
Should have loss to Georgia and UCI.
UCLA is incredibly overrated again. What a shocker...
Tyler Lamb transferred early today.
That makes it 9 separate recruits from Mater Dei transferring in the last 9 years. 11 total transfers between those 9 players.
Worst. Basketball Factory. Ever.
I don't know how big of basketball rivals SDSU and USC are, but after tonight they're going to hate each other. At least the players on these current rosters will hate each other.
Some dirty and cheap flagrant/intentional fouls by USC in the final few minutes.
And clearly, right now at least, UCLA is vastly overrated....again. I hope we're not going to be saying the same thing about UNC for the second time in four seasons.
Seeing how UCLA lost makes it even worse.
Tied 68-68 a UCLA player intentionally fouls with 14 seconds left. Cal Poly makes both FTs and win 70-68.
How do you feel?
This is my line of thinking:
1) 2010 was everything bad happening that could happen.
-Overblown expectations from the pre-season polls.
-A severe lack of leadership within the roster.
-Freshman class was a building block, not instant impact.
-Returning players didn't step up, particularly from the seniors.
-Terrible chemistry (very surprising from a Roy Williams team). There are quotes from players that said the team was divided.
-An unbelievably terrible luck with injuries.
In 2006 it was the exact opposite. Underrated, the best leader Roy has ever coached (his words) stepped up, returning role players willing to take bigger roles, a group of frosh ready to produce, great chemistry, and fortunate luck with health.
Back to 2010, I'm not sure what was the singular piece that turned that season sour--if there was one. I do believe we definitely make the NCAA Tournament with a healthy team. I realize a lot of the fallout gets pointed back to the three transfers and they're partly to blame. But (imo) most of the blame should probably fall on Ginyard and Thompson.
Look, I know what we were getting from Ginyard as a player. He's not as bad UNC fans make him out to be (watch the 2007 NCAA Tournament and tell me he didn't belong) because people seem to only remember him post-injuries. However, that is the player he was as a senior and I didn't expect him to take a Noel-jump or anything. Deon is another story.
But those guys were a part of the winningest group of players in UNC history. Not a hyperbole. The 05 class is literally the golden era in terms of winning percentage and total wins in the history of the program. I expected more in the leadership department from them. Don't want to get completely sucked in to this topic again, so...
All of that brings me to this season.
2) The 2013 season
[B]-Overblown expectations?[/B]
--Overrated, sure. Most UNC fans said so when we saw the rankings. 2006 gave unreal expectations for what a rebuilding year should be, while 2010 humbled us back down to earth. General expectations seems realistic (5-6 seed first weekend NCAAs) for the mass. Put it this way: When you are rationalizing your ranking by talking about other teams instead of your own, your team is probably not [I]that[/I] good. That seemed to be the case this off-season.
[B]-Leadership?[/B]
--This I can't comment on yet. However, McDonald and Strickland went out of their way to say that wouldn't be a problem this time around. Those two, of course, being the only remaining players from 2010.
[B]-Freshman class: building block or instant impact?[/B]
--Thus far, I think it's a little of both. It's difficult because I had no expectations for this class, seeing as it is one of the lowest rated (lowest overall?) Roy has ever brought into this program. To this point they have overachieved. I see two legitimate freshman starters in Johnson and Paige, and James and Tokoto can obviously play right now. Problem is the competition hasn't been great, yet.
[B]-Returning players?[/B]
--McAdoo has clearly stepped up his game. Not sure how much after watching him in Maui... But I think a truly poor #1 option, which sounds much worse than it actually is. The other guys are about the same which is good and bad. Good in that they are steady and extremely effective in their roles. Bad in that they are no longer surrounded by 3 lottery picks. PJ is the tipping point in all of this and Bullock is already better than anyone we had on 2010.
[B]-Chemistry:[/B]
--See the "leadership" comments. In post game interviews, the freshman are always talking about how much Bullock, Strickland, and McDonald have been helping them.
[B]-Injuries:[/B]
--We shall see. We have certainly been on the short end of this stick since 2009.
As a whole, I actually feel really good about the future of this team. Although more towards the next season or two.
This year? It will come down to 4 key points:
1) McAdoo, Bullock, and Hariston -- How many, if any, can consistently come out and play against the best teams?
2) The freshman and how they progress throughout the season.
3) Injuries.
4) Roy Williams. This is the type of team Coach Smith takes and grooms them into a legitimate top ten team by March. Roy absolutely needs to make adjustments in his game planning (which he started to do in Maui). I have ideas, but I'm no coach. He's supposed to know more about basketball in his little pinky than I do my entire self, so let's see him show why he wins nearly 80% of his games.
Yep, this is what goes through my head when I know I need to be sleeping. An addiction, really, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
[QUOTE=SourPatchKids]Northridge going to be 7-0 if they can pull this one off tonight.[/QUOTE]
I loved the effort they showed. Stayed relatively close, forced BYU to go from zone to man as they kept buttering up the zone, weathered the first half run and even had a really nice run in the 2nd half, just didn't have the second one in them which many small conference schools realistically don't.
6-1 as the nations youngest team with half the wins being in double digits and a tough loss @ BYU. @ UCLA and @ ASU will both be exciting games, and both are winnable in my opinion.
I mean, UCLA is my major team to cheer for, but losing to Cal Poly and nearly losing to UC Irvine, both teams are a combined 5-6 while playing poor competition (Nevada probably being the best team either side has faced, and they lost to them), but I firmly believe CSUN can beat them. ASU is a good 4-1 with a loss to Creighton, but feel confident that Mats can upset.
I love watching Stephen Hicks play, truly believe he has to be one of the best players on a small/mid-major conference school. 18.4/8.4 in 29.6 minutes on 55/56/82 shooting. Beast. Really need him to play well against Bazz/Adams/Kyle along with THE (best nickname in sports?), Maxwell and Perry doing well enough to protect the paint. Also think Landon Drew will beast.
[QUOTE=HB40TheNextStar]How do you feel?
This is my line of thinking:
1) 2010 was everything bad happening that could happen.
-Overblown expectations from the pre-season polls.
-A severe lack of leadership within the roster.
-Freshman class was a building block, not instant impact.
-Returning players didn't step up, particularly from the seniors.
[B]-Terrible chemistry (very surprising from a Roy Williams team). There are quotes from players that said the team was divided.
-An unbelievably terrible luck with injuries.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's pretty much all that anyone should really look at regarding 2010. The injuries, one right after another, ruined what was already going to be a down year. But all your other points are very valid. UNC wasn't a top 10 team that year (like their preseason ranking tried to indicate) even when healthy, but they were an NCAA tournament team.
And, yes, the team chemistry (from what I heard/read) sounded like a bunch of high school drama nonsense where half the team sided with "this" guy and the other half the team sided with "that" guy.
[QUOTE]Back to 2010, I'm not sure what was the singular piece that turned that season sour--if there was one. I do believe we definitely make the NCAA Tournament with a healthy team. I realize a lot of the fallout gets pointed back to the three transfers and they're partly to blame. But (imo) most of the blame should probably fall on Ginyard and Thompson.[/QUOTE]
It was just a really, really weird season. In hindsight, why in the hell did Roy even entertain the John Henson at SF experiment, let alone go through with it? But I agree, the two seniors that year showed virtually zero leadership. Neither were NBA talents (or even NBA athletes) and, on a young team, it didn't help any that our two seniors was a below the rim 6'8" PF, and a 6'5" "defensive specialist" who wasn't even that good of a defender and couldn't shoot. Or course that's being unfair because that was post-injuries Ginyard. He was on his way to being a stud before that.
[QUOTE]But those guys were a part of the winningest group of players in UNC history. Not a hyperbole. The 05 class is literally the golden era in terms of winning percentage and total wins in the history of the program. I expected more in the leadership department from them. Don't want to get completely sucked in to this topic again, so...[/QUOTE]
Again, I agree. It was a major disappointment from a leadership standpoint.
2) The 2013 season
[B]-Overblown expectations?[/B]
--Overrated, sure. Most UNC fans said so when we saw the rankings. 2006 gave unreal expectations for what a rebuilding year should be, while 2010 humbled us back down to earth. General expectations seems realistic (5-6 seed first weekend NCAAs) for the mass. Put it this way: When you are rationalizing your ranking by talking about other teams instead of your own, your team is probably not [I]that[/I] good. That seemed to be the case this off-season.[/QUOTE]
This. Just like in 2010, people like to "laugh and point" about UNC being so overrated, when any level-headed UNC fan (then and now) would tell you they weren't worthy of their preseason ranking. I felt in 2010 they shouldn't have even been preseason top 10; and this year I thought they should've been ranked in the 20-25 range.
[QUOTE][B]-Leadership?[/B]
--This I can't comment on yet. However, McDonald and Strickland went out of their way to say that wouldn't be a problem this time around. Those two, of course, being the only remaining players from 2010.[/QUOTE]
I was disappointed in what I saw in the first half of the Butler game. We fell behind big early, and none of the guys really stepped-up. The guards (Dex, Reggie, Leslie) kept jacking up threes, and McAdoo couldn't have looked any more disinterested. The second half of that game, though, was encouraging. A completely different team came out of the locker room and trimmed a 30 point deficit to 6 or 7 and had the ball to make get it under 5.
[QUOTE][B]-Freshman class: building block or instant impact?[/B]
--Thus far, I think it's a little of both. It's difficult because I had no expectations for this class, seeing as it is one of the lowest rated (lowest overall?) Roy has ever brought into this program. To this point they have overachieved. I see two legitimate freshman starters in Johnson and Paige, and James and Tokoto can obviously play right now. Problem is the competition hasn't been great, yet.[/QUOTE]
There's going to be a lot of ups-and-downs with a freshman running the point in Roy's offense. I've already made my piece with that. I'm not saying Paige will be next Felton or Lawson, but both of them struggled their freshman seasons. However, playing with a lot of passion and intensity is something I've seen in Paige's game (even when he's struggling). I wish we could make Johnson and James one player this season. Johnson is an active player with a high motor and has shown good ability to score around the basket, but he's weak and gets pushed around too easily. Meanwhile, James has shown brief flashes of being a defensive force, and is virtually immovable once he gets position.
[QUOTE][B]-Returning players?[/B]
--McAdoo has clearly stepped up his game. Not sure how much after watching him in Maui... But I think a truly poor #1 option, which sounds much worse than it actually is. The other guys are about the same which is good and bad. Good in that they are steady and extremely effective in their roles. Bad in that they are no longer surrounded by 3 lottery picks. PJ is the tipping point in all of this and Bullock is already better than anyone we had on 2010.[/QUOTE]
The season will ultimately go as P.J. and Reggie go. If they both realize they can be much more than three point shooters, then UNC will be pretty good by the end of the season. Both have prototypical wing size (P.J. at 6'5" 220 and Bullock at 6'6"-6'7" 210) and have shown they can be lethal scorers when the mix up dribble drives with their three point shooting. I think P.J. is the most talented of the two, and both have much higher ceilings than perimeter player on the 2010 team.
[QUOTE][B]-Chemistry:[/B]
--See the "leadership" comments. In post game interviews, the freshman are always talking about how much Bullock, Strickland, and McDonald have been helping them.[/QUOTE]
It's early, but the chemistry already seems better than it was in 2010. Obviously it won't always look that way, but at least these guys seem to fit together better.
[QUOTE][B]-Injuries:[/B]
--We shall see. We have certainly been on the short end of this stick since 2009.[/QUOTE]
Reports today that P.J. is hurt and will probably miss the Indiana game already has me (and a lot of UNC fans) in "here we go again" mode. Hopefully it's just a minor injury that will only cause him to miss one game.
[QUOTE]This year? It will come down to 4 key points:
1) McAdoo, Bullock, and Hariston -- How many, if any, can consistently come out and play against the best teams?
2) The freshman and how they progress throughout the season.
3) Injuries.
4) Roy Williams. This is the type of team Coach Smith takes and grooms them into a legitimate top ten team by March. Roy absolutely needs to make adjustments in his game planning (which he started to do in Maui). I have ideas, but I'm no coach. He's supposed to know more about basketball in his little pinky than I do my entire self, so let's see him show why he wins nearly 80% of his games.[/QUOTE]
Agree with all of this. Like I said, this season will ultimately go as P.J. and Reggie go; McAdoo as well. However, the "x-factor" in having a good season probably ultimately hinges on Pagie's development. He was supposed to come in and be Marshall's back-up his freshman year. Instead, he's been thrown into the fire. If he continues to improve, I don't think the other freshmen's improvement is as vital. Obviously they can't stay where they are now, but Paige is the key.
UCLA reminds me of uconn last year, a lot of weapons but they just couldn't come together to win games, I think they'll get it together in time for the tournament
[QUOTE=beer]i have never missed a ucla basketball or football game since a year before i attended the university. i'll officially not watch another game until howland is fired. blowing a 17 point lead to cal ****ing poly and losing? unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
im surprised fans weren't asking for his head when the whole reeves nelson debacle happened. all the press that came out of it really changed how i viewe him and the program.
Not that I expected UNC to win tonight. In fact, I thought even at 100% there was a chance this could be a 20ish point win for Indiana. But now, with P.J. Hairston not playing - one of UNC's 2-3 best shooters and one of two perimeter players who can actually put the ball on the floor and score off dribble penetration - I'm really scared.
Of course Hairston wasn't even get as many minutes as he probably should get, so it may not really matter.