Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14482490]You can definitely compare. Your assuming bron has more miles because he played more seasons at the same span but it's a flawed way of thinking. Mj had way more practices. He also had way harder practices. He also didn't take 2 years off in 93 and 94 he wad busting his off every day trying to succeed in baseball. Age here is our best comparison so we'll see how good bron is at 39. My guess is like every other age comparison bron will just be slightly worse than mj.[/QUOTE]
Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park
There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482523]How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.[/QUOTE]
So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.
And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14482207][url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url])
List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting[/url]
Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote[/url]
Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]
Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did[/url]
Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]
Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]
Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780[/url]
Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]
Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/[/url]
[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG[/url]
[url]http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]
Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]
Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]
Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url][/QUOTE]
MJ was much better.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Pip' N Rodman;14482525]So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.
And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)[/QUOTE]
The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.
Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482535]The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.
Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.[/QUOTE]
So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ
Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Pip' N Rodman;14482537]So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ
Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player[/QUOTE]
Wear and tear is one thing, but MJ was a machine at that age, too. You're also not factoring that he played professional baseball and had three years of college.
MJ played all 82 games and averaged nearly 39 minutes a game in his final season with Chicago. He put up 29/6/4/2 on 47% in again, one of the slowest paced and greatest defensive eras. Not to mention, he was All-Defensive 1st Team. LeBron was not the better player.
2020 was a free for all with lax perimeter rules. Again, how is this not contextualized?
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;14482523]How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.
MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.[/QUOTE]
So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482548]So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?[/QUOTE]
Adjust for pace and compare the numbers. Youre just deflecting because you only do troll arguments.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14482506]Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park
There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the players dude. Mj is a maniac. His work ethic is as legendary as his determination. I would agree if we weren't talking about mj but mj was apparently putting in a full day of training on game days and non game days. Bron isn't doing anything close to that. So it isn't like we're comparing 2 hrs of baseball training to 2 hrs of basketball training. We're comparing 2 hrs of basketball to 10 hrs of baseball.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=dankok8;14482729]I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.[/QUOTE]
Troll: MJ was retired for 2 years. He took a break!
Sane person: He played another sport and at a professional level.
Troll: In other words, he was well rested.
A 'coach potato' is a great way to describe them. I prefer morons.
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's
MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.
[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/GDsfybm5VQUAAAAM/need-i-say-more-redmond.gif[/IMG]
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
[QUOTE=RogueBorg;14482742]Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's
MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.
[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/GDsfybm5VQUAAAAM/need-i-say-more-redmond.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Damn this can't be true?
Re: Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan
MJ Stan’s have all the excuses