Agree or disagree: CP3 was the most complete PG ever.

[QUOTE=Young X]Agree.

You could take a major part of his game away and he would still be an all-star caliber player.

Take away his passing and he's Kyle Lowry level.

Take away his scoring and he's Rondo level.

Take away his defense and he's prime D-Will level.

Take away his efficiency and he's Wall level.[/QUOTE]
Truth.

Not only that but he's a smarter player then all those guys, a better leader, and a forgotten asset ... he's coachable.

He quarterbacks a team offensively like Kidd or Nash. He's the most complete PG I've ever seen. One of the best too. Followed closely by Kidd, Payton, Zeke.

yes. There are just not many pg's who even have his combination of scoring/playmaking. Also he's an excellent floor general and offensive anchor and plays well with a lot of different type players.

He's the least accomplished player who's considered great of all time.





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[QUOTE=jayfan]He's the least accomplished player who's considered great of all time.





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Pistol Pete.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Pistol Pete.[/QUOTE]

Pete's up there, but people are placing Paul on a higher level than him.

[QUOTE=jayfan]He's the least accomplished player who's considered great of all time.





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From team accomplishments? Maybe. Don't act like that's exclusively his own fault.

But he had a legit strong argument for MVP in Kobe's last prime season, LeBron's first prime season, and KG's last prime season where he led his team to 67 wins.

This was a more competitive race among all time greats than Curry's of the past two seasons. By far.

As well as the following 2009 season where LeBron and Wade had peak level seasons as well to compete against him.

If you're starting a franchise and don't have Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Iguodala, and Draymond Green ... who in their right mind is taking Curry over CP3?!

[QUOTE]From team accomplishments? Maybe. [/QUOTE]

Nah. Not even maybe. People just dont know much about history but insist on using terms like "Of all time" and "ever" for emphasis they cant back up.

Hell No he's not.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Nah. Not even maybe. People just dont know much about history but insist on using terms like "Of all time" and "ever" for emphasis they cant back up.[/QUOTE]

I call bs. Name one player who's been pushed into the conversation of goat at their position who was/is less accomplished than Chris Paul.



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[QUOTE=PP34Deuce]He's a great example of a very athletic PG that matured his game.[/QUOTE]
Very athletic?

He was just way quicker before the injuries. He was still a floor based, super skilled and crafty PG.

He didn't have blinding speed like Rose or Wall. He didn't have explosion like Russ. And he didn't have hops like a Francis, B Diddy, or Rose.

[QUOTE=ClipperRevival]I didn't say highest peak or best career or anything else. I said most "complete". I look at his game and I can't think of one legit weakness. Only one I can think of was his height but he had no control over that. Maybe his lack of "clutch" at times but that's not really a breakdown of his basketball game.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
His lack of clutchness and tendency to consistently choke on the biggest stage is what's held him back.


For my money, Tony Parker and John Stockton are the most complete PGs ever.


Tony Parker has won titles, he has a well deserved FMVP and he has consistently been great.


[I]In terms of being a "pure PG" I would say Jason Kidd is the best ever.[/I]

Stockton had a lot of steals but was not a great defender. Peak Tony Parker is (was) a better defender than peak Stockton.




[B]CP3 is overrated. I have watched him choke away important playoff games for his entire career. He has been surrounded by talent on the Clippers and consistently underperforms in the biggest games.[/B]

[B]
Tony Parker>CP3

That's right. I said it. I spoke the truth.[/B]

[QUOTE]I call bs. Name one player who's been pushed into the argument of goat at their position who was/is less accomplished than Chris Paul.[/QUOTE]

For one....you said:

[QUOTE]He's the least accomplished player who's considered great of all time.[/QUOTE]

There are thousands of miles between "Considered great" and "Pushed into the argument for GOAT at their position". George Gervin is an all time great. Nobody is saying hes better than Jordan.

Second....

The list of people to make an honest argument that Paul is greater than Magic is...if not literally nonexistent....effectively non existent.

Third....

Chris Paul is like a 10 time all star, 8 time all NBA, 8 time all D team, 5 time steals leader, 4-5 time assist leader and an MVP runner up. A resume that totally laps those of several people in the hall of fame. So the accomplishments you speak on him lacking must mean playoff winning. Which hes hardly come up short on even by great player standards.

Oscar Robertson won 2 playoff series in his career as a teams best player.

Pistol Pete never won one and never even made an NCAA tournament.

Dave Bing and Bob Lanier played together and didnt do shit till each left for teams that were contenders without them.

The list of guys who breezed into the hall of fame and were and are considered great....who won no more than Paul? Its long and noteworthy. Especially if you dont count the Mitch Richmond style end of career technically won but didnt play a key role success. Speaking of which....Mitch Richmond won what exactly?

Chris Paul is pretty much a run of the mill normal hall of famer far as career success....but he has the accolades to make the HOF two times over and hes still in or near his prime.

Better players than Chris Paul didnt have any more success as a teams best player. Now....you open it up to sidekicks and just on the roster guys? Ok.

But I dont think you are talking about Bob Mcadoo on the Lakers here.

As a teams key player?

Paul is on a pretty normal HOF rate of winning. Better than that really.

People assume a lot of great players won a lot more than they did.

Did someone just say Tony Parker > CP3? At making music videos maybe but not at basketball. Nice try.

[QUOTE=Nick Young]
For my money,[SIZE="4"] Tony Parker[/SIZE] and John Stockton are the most complete PGs ever.[/QUOTE]


:biggums:


im a big tony parker fan... but just, no.

[QUOTE=Father Prime]Did someone just say Tony Parker > CP3? At making music videos maybe but not at basketball. Nice try.[/QUOTE]


I decided to go the "If you see trolling ignore it" route once I saw him list Parker as the most complete point of all time.