Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]Modern Era is the 2000s.
So why you not using the wizard's Jordan?[/QUOTE]
Jordan saw the modern era and says, fk, I'm retiring for good this time.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
Lol @ mj having a super team.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
Lebron won every award over shaq, Duncan, Garnett, and Kobe as well.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]
Lebron won every award over shaq, Duncan, Garnett, and Kobe as well.
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Lebron never won MVP, all-star MVP, Finals MVP, championship and scoring title over all of them like Jordan did in 1998 as a 35-year old man.
Infact, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting in 2004 and 2005, whereas Jordan finished ahead of Shaq in MVP voting for every year of his Bulls' career, even as a 35 year old man (1992-1998).
We'll see if Lebron is still winning MVP's at 35 years old - I bet he doesn't win any past 32 or maybe 33.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Jordan saw the modern era and says, fk, I'm retiring for good this time.[/QUOTE]
Jordan won all the awards in 1998 over the best players Lebron ever faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett), while facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too)
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=3ball]Lebron never won MVP, all-star MVP, Finals MVP, championship and scoring title over all of them like Jordan did in 1998 as a 35-year old man.
Infact, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting in 2004 and 2005, whereas Jordan finished ahead of Shaq in MVP voting for every year of his Bulls' career, even as a 35 year old man (1992-1998).
We'll see if Lebron is still winning MVP's at 35 years old - I bet he doesn't win any past 32 or maybe 33.[/QUOTE]
In 1998 Kobe, Duncan, and Garnett were young and not at their best.
I'll give you Shaq but if he doesn't miss so many games he's probably MVP over Jordan. Shaq in 1998 was the best player statistically and the most dominant.
Weak argument...
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
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In 1998 Kobe, Duncan, and Garnett were young and not at their best.
I'll give you Shaq but if he doesn't miss so many games he's probably MVP over Jordan. Shaq in 1998 was the best player statistically and the most dominant.
Weak argument...
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You're missing the point - it's clear that Jordan and Lebron played against many of the same players, which means they both played in the modern era (i.e. Bill Russell never played against anyone Jordan faced, whereas Jordan faced a ton of guys Lebron faced).
Since they both played in the modern era and against many of the same players, we can compare their ring count and fmvp count DIRECTLY, which means Lebron's individual and team accomplishments in the playoffs are [i]half[/i] of Jordan's (he has half the rings and fmvp's).
Keep in mind that Jordan won all the awards in 1998 over the best players Lebron ever faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett), while also facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too)
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=3ball]You're missing the point - it's clear that Jordan and Lebron played against many of the same players, which means they both played in the modern era (i.e. Bill Russell never played against anyone Jordan faced, whereas Jordan faced a ton of guys Lebron faced).
Since they both played in the modern era and against many of the same players, we can compare their ring count and fmvp count DIRECTLY, which means Lebron's individual and team accomplishments in the playoffs are [i]half[/i] of Jordan's (he has half the rings and fmvp's).
Keep in mind that Jordan won all the awards in 1998 over the best players Lebron ever faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett), while also facing BETTER players that Lebron never faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too)[/QUOTE]
His point is why are you mentioning that Jordan won awards over those guys.
Kobe and Garnett were teenagers and Duncan was a rookie. It's a useless, and illogical, part of your argument.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=3ball][B]Best players Jordan faced:[/B]
[INDENT]1. Kareem
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Shaq[/INDENT]
[B]Best players Lebron faced:[/B]
[INDENT]1. Shaq[SIZE="3"]*[/SIZE]
2. Duncan[SIZE="3"]*[/SIZE]
3. Kobe[SIZE="3"]*[/SIZE]
4. Garnett[SIZE="3"]*[/SIZE][/INDENT]
[SIZE="3"]*[/SIZE]Jordan won every major award over these players in 1998 (when each guy was an all-star)
[I][COLOR="Navy"][SIZE="3"]As you can see, Jordan dominated the best players Lebron ever faced, while facing BETTER players that Lebron [B]never[/B] faced... :confusedshrug: [/SIZE][/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]
Dirk > KG the Kid
DWI
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]
His point is why are you mentioning that Jordan won awards over those guys.
Kobe and Garnett were teenagers and Duncan was a rookie. It's a useless, and illogical, part of your argument.
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[I]By showing that Jordan dominated the best players that Lebron ever faced, it supports the fact that BOTH guys played in the modern era - this contrasts with Bill Russell, who never played against anyone Jordan faced, so he didn't play in Jordan's era or the modern era.
Ultimately, since they both played in the modern era and against many of the same players, we can compare their ring count and fmvp count DIRECTLY, which means Lebron's individual and team accomplishments in the playoffs are half of Jordan's (he has half the rings and fmvp's).[/I]
Not only did Jordan face the best players Lebron faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, KG), but he faced many guys who were BETTER, that Lebron [I]never[/I] faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too)
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=3ball][I]By showing that Jordan dominated the best players that Lebron ever faced, it supports the fact that BOTH guys played in the modern era - this contrasts with Bill Russell, who never played against anyone Jordan faced, so he didn't play in Jordan's era or the modern era.
Ultimately, since they both played in the modern era and against many of the same players, we can compare their ring count and fmvp count DIRECTLY, which means Lebron's individual and team accomplishments in the playoffs are half of Jordan's (he has half the rings and fmvp's).[/I]
Not only did Jordan face the best players Lebron faced (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, KG), but he faced many guys who were BETTER, that Lebron [I]never[/I] faced (Kareem, Magic, Bird... Hakeem too)[/QUOTE]
You didn't address your horrendous argument.
Simply repeating a poor argument doesn't make it better.
They didn't play in the same era.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
No they didn't play in the same modern era. MJ played in a time with clogged paints and ruthless man defense. LBJ played in a era with crazy spacing. MJ would explode in this era.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=bond10]
No they didn't play in the same modern era. MJ played in a time with clogged paints and ruthless man defense. LBJ played in a era with crazy spacing. MJ would explode in this era.
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True.
Jordan played in the UNSPACED phase of the modern era, which is a tougher era than today's SPACED phase of the modern era.. Lebron and Curry achieve their stats [I]with[/I] teammates spacing the floor (their teams attempted 30 threes per game), while Jordan achieved his stats [I]without[/I] teammates spacing the floor (1991 Bulls took 5 threes per game).
So you're spot on - MJ's stats would explode in today's spacing.. Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - MJ was a superathlete like they are, but they [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389778&postcount=41]can't shoot[/url], whereas he had goat midrange efficiency, better [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12438405&postcount=31]than Curry's[/url].. Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism and better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
Saying Jordan and Lebron played in the same era is literally the same as saying Jordan and Havlicek played in the same era.
Re: We all agree that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, right?
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]
Saying Jordan and Lebron played in the same era is literally the same as saying Jordan and Havlicek played in the same era.
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1978 basketball is about the same as 1984 basketball, just like 1998 basketball is about the same as 2004 basketball.
Tbh, in 1978, it was harder to score in the paint because there was no 3-point line.. The 3-point line gave players a [I]marker[/I] for what was considered "perimeter" - so players naturally stood further from the hoop, regardless of whether they [I]used[/I] the line or actually stood [I]behind[/I] the line or not.