All Time Contested/Open Shot percentage/Ratio for Kobe/Lebron/Jordan

[QUOTE=3ball]Kobe was a lot like MJ - he could drop 40, 50, and 60+ points on nearly all jumpshots - but MJ did it more often... [url=http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11918938&postcount=12]A LOT[/url] more often.[/QUOTE]


no he didnt


half of jordans points routinely came from drives.. he was much more like prime wade

jordans jumpers were routinely 12-15 feet

kobes were more around 18-20 feet

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Lol, it really didn't. Since you're doing this project, I was actually curious how many contested/open jumpshots each player had in the biggest game of their careers[/QUOTE]


the biggest games of kobes career were in 2009. since that was him proving he could win without shaq

the biggest games of lebrons career were in 2015. since that was him trying to prove he could win without wade and bosh



2010 was icing on the cake for kobe. and 2013 was a voided useless asterisk for lebron regardless


kobe dominated 2009 in every aspect

lebron choked like a b*tch shooting 27% beyond 5 feet in 2015

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6szZ4hbumT0[/url]

Lebron 2013 Finals game 7
[B]
0:28 = Uncontested three pointer[/B]
[B]0:58 = Uncontested three pointer[/B]
[B]1:15 = Uncontested three pointer[/B]
[B]1:50 = Uncontested three pointer[/B]
2:07 = Contested three pointer
[B]2:23 = Uncontested jumper [/B]
[B]2:58 = Uncontested jumper
3:05 = Uncontested jumper
3:29 = Uncontested jumper

[/B]


lebron only made one single jump shot or three point shot the entire game in which the defender wasnt daring him to shoot and could actually inhibit lebrons shot in any way

If OP is being 100% genuine I really don't see the problem :confusedshrug:

Should be interesting to see the data permitting its backed with links of course.

As a Kobe fan, I can appreciate what Kenneth's going for here, but putting the fun and games aside Kobe should have put in more of an effort to make the right play every time. The way I see it, LeBron and Kobe is similar in that they both could have been greater than how they actually turned out, but both of them had mental issues that put a cap on their potential.

LeBron is mentally fragile in high pressure situations and Kobe has a strange obsession with attaining personal glory. He's like always trying to play out a fantasy in his head, and has been this way since high school (stories about how he would purposely keep games close so he could play hero ball at the end, a recent example being that comeback video he made a few years ago right before coming back from injury, lol, how many players would have gone through the trouble to make that?). Both of them had moments where they overcame these deficiencies and won some chips.

LeBron, I don't give a shit about of course, but it makes me sad when I think about how much greater Kobe could have been. Imagine if he had been a much more willing passer, especially out of double teams, and opponents didn't know that he was going to shoot no matter what (most applicable during buzzer beaters). Scoring would have been even easier as a result. Nowadays there are people who actually think he is a bad shooter when that couldn't be further from the truth.

[QUOTE=IMObjective]As a Kobe fan, I can appreciate what Kenneth's going for here, but putting the fun and games aside Kobe should have put in more of an effort to make the right play every time. The way I see it, LeBron and Kobe is similar in that they both could have been greater than how they actually turned out, but both of them had mental issues that put a cap on their potential.

LeBron is mentally fragile in high pressure situations and Kobe has a strange obsession with attaining personal glory. He's like always trying to play out a fantasy in his head, and has been this way since high school (stories about how he would purposely keep games close so he could play hero ball at the end, a recent example being that comeback video he made a few years ago right before coming back from injury, lol, how many players would have gone through the trouble to make that?). Both of them had moments where they overcame these deficiencies and won some chips.

LeBron, I don't give a shit about of course, but it makes me sad when I think about how much greater Kobe could have been. Imagine if he had been a much more willing passer, especially out of double teams, and opponents didn't know that he was going to shoot no matter what (most applicable during buzzer beaters). Scoring would have been even easier as a result. Nowadays there are people who actually think he is a bad shooter when that couldn't be further from the truth.[/QUOTE]



i think protecting his fg% caused allot of the problems associated with lebron

i.e. = looking at someone that shys away from pressure situations. relies too heavily on teammates to hit the last shot.. etc..

and when lebron couldnt get his highly efficient shots due to great defenders like andre iguodala in 2015. he settled for the types of shots he usually hesitated with his entire career. and he didnt know how to hit them.

if however lebron was more prepared for highly contested midrange shooting. then maybe he hits over 27% and the cavs win the 2015 finals

who knows

2 for 6 might be due to lebrons elevated fg% from "playing the right way"


the defensive attention usually goes up during the playoffs. so you better learn how to hit difficult shots

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]no he didnt


half of jordans points routinely came from drives.. he was much more like prime wade

jordans jumpers were routinely 12-15 feet

kobes were more around 18-20 feet

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You don't know Jordan's game AT ALL if you think he played anything like prime wade, who was s ball-dominant fool... Jordan shot mostly jumpers:

[B]54 in 1992 ECF vs. Knicks - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=0m53s][u]literally all jumpshots in the biggest game of year[/u][/url]
64 vs. Shaq's 1993 Magic only 4 non-jumpshots - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzsmqlJhT58&t=0m33s][u]easiest-looking 60 point game in history[/u][/url].
46 pts in Game 3 of 1992 Finals - [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIZ3d0pnY1U&t=1m40s][u]almost all jumpshots[/u][/url].[/B]


And in Jordan's 63 point game, 14 of his 22 made FG's were jumpshots:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRu0x_bQeY[/url]

So let me get this straight OP.

MJ gets penalized for being better at creating better opportunities for himself.:confusedshrug:

Yeah... you really know basketball :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=andgar923]So let me get this straight OP.

MJ gets penalized for being better at creating better opportunities for himself.:confusedshrug:

Yeah... you really know basketball :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


did shawn bradly just "know how to create better opportunities" by only taking shots he knew he could make?

or was it just his own ineptitude talent wise and he knew his limitations


maybe* the reason jordan couldnt take as many ridiculous shots as kobe is because if he tried he wouldnt be anywhere near as effective.

and kobe can take them and still pump out a points per shot ratio that of equal to MJ ( 1.30 )

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]did shawn bradly just "know how to create better opportunities" by only taking shots he knew he could make?

or was it just his own ineptitude talent wise and he knew his limitations


maybe* the reason jordan couldnt take as many ridiculous shots as kobe is because if he tried he wouldnt be anywhere near as effective.

and kobe can take them and still pump out a points per shot ratio that of equal to MJ ( 1.30 )[/QUOTE]
you can't be this f*ckin stupid.

[QUOTE=andgar923]you can't be this f*ckin stupid.[/QUOTE]


well its absolutely retarded to just assume a guy can do something but he just doesnt want to



because kobe in place of jordan also claims 6 titles ( maybe more without the baseball garbage )

and kobe also wins finals mvp every time since scottie pippen would never stand in kobes way.

the only difference being that the 90s bulls would have been way funner to watch since kobe would have been taking way more difficult shots and still producing that much needed 27-30ppg average on 1.30 PPS


so the reason jordan played more within his element wasnt the fact that its just the smart thing to do

its because he knew his limitations

otherwise jordan would never have attempted fadeaways and reverse layups or other high difficulty maneuvers


he did them because he too enjoyed showing up the opponent


he just never did the falling out of bounds fading threes over 2 guys shots because he couldnt... period

kobe did it and could hit 34% still... thats the difference

kenneth's right.

Kobe is the most skilled player of all time.

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]well its absolutely retarded to just assume a guy can do something but he just doesnt want to


because kobe in place of jordan also claims 6 titles ( maybe more without the baseball garbage )

and kobe also wins finals mvp every time since scottie pippen would never stand in kobes way.

the only difference being that the 90s bulls would have been way funner to watch since kobe would have been taking way more difficult shots and still producing that much needed 27-30ppg average on 1.30 PPS [/QUOTE]

Speaking of retarded assumptions...

Jordan averaged 33.4ppg on 49% in the playoffs. Kobe's average is 25.6ppg on 45% in the playoffs.

Just to break down what this difference actually means to your dumbass mind, that's like comparing Kobe to a player who averages [B]17.8ppg on 41%[/B] in the playoffs. Which would be like LeBron performing at his Dallas level every game for his playoff career, but with even worse efficiency (at least he managed 48%). Even you must realise what an inane comparison this is, yet this is essentially the difference between Jordan and your idol.

There's no comparison between Jordan and Kobe. Absolutely zero. Jordan produces higher scoring output on better efficiency in his career because A) He can physically create better shots and B) He is more intelligent than Kobe not to settle for dumb shots like fadeaway threes over three defenders.

You can assume what you like if Jordan was in Kobe's place, but it holds no substance. The fact is that Jordan has more rings, more FMVPs, more MVPs and better stats across the board (except for, what, 3 point shooting and FT?). And that's with Kobe playing with a far superior player than Jordan ever played with for 6 years of his career, and he can't even get more rings. :oldlol:

Jordan's explosiveness allows him to do Kobe's moves alot quicker and get more elevation.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]Speaking of retarded assumptions...

Jordan averaged 33.4ppg on 49% in the playoffs. Kobe's average is 25.6ppg on 45% in the playoffs.

Just to break down what this difference actually means to your dumbass mind, that's like comparing Kobe to a player who averages [B]17.8ppg on 41%[/B] in the playoffs. Which would be like LeBron performing at his Dallas level every game for his playoff career, but with even worse efficiency (at least he managed 48%). Even you must realise what an inane comparison this is, yet this is essentially the difference between Jordan and your idol.

There's no comparison between Jordan and Kobe. Absolutely zero. Jordan produces higher scoring output on better efficiency in his career because A) He can physically create better shots and B) He is more intelligent than Kobe not to settle for dumb shots like fadeaway threes over three defenders.

You can assume what you like if Jordan was in Kobe's place, but it holds no substance. The fact is that Jordan has more rings, more FMVPs, more MVPs and better stats across the board (except for, what, 3 point shooting and FT?). And that's with Kobe playing with a far superior player than Jordan ever played with for 6 years of his career, and he can't even get more rings. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


jordan attempted 25.1 shots and 9.9 free throws per game in the playoffs

kobe attempted 20.5 shots and 7.4 free throws per game in the playoffs


kobe averages 7.8 more points if he takes nearly 5 more shots and nearly 3 more free throws a game


volume is the reason for jordans elevated averages due to

a) kobe coming out of highschool

b) kobe coming to a team with an allstar in his prime at his position

c) kobe coming to a team with a prime future hall of famer demanding 30ppg

d) kobe coming to a team that actually needed a winning record to make the playoffs





not everyone can get free trips to the playoffs on 30 win teams and chuck 40 shots a game to build a great career average

so shut the **** up