A Comparison of Kobe and LeBron's Careers Without Superstar Help

Kobe:

* 2004-2005 | 34 - 48 record = missed the playoffs
* 2005-2006 | 45 - 37 record = lost in the first round
* 2006-2007 | 42 - 40 record = lost in the first round (after this season, [url=http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded]Kobe publicly demanded to be traded[/url])


LeBron:

* 2003-2004 | 35 - 47 record = missed the playoffs
* 2004-2005 | 42 - 40 record = missed the playoffs
* 2005-2006 | 50 - 32 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals
* 2006-2007 | 50 - 32 record = [b][u]Lost NBA Finals[/u][/b]
* 2007-2008 | 45 - 37 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals
* 2008-2009 | [b][u]66 - 16[/u][/b] record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals
* 2009-2010 | [b][u]61 - 21[/u][/b] record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals


Conclusion: Without superstar help (i.e., Shaq or Gasol+Bynum [aka Twin Towers]), Kobe's career is nothing compared to LeBron's (LBJ won multiple MVP awards, too). Not to mention Kobe had Phil Jackson as a coach for many many many years whereas LeBron had Mike Brown in CLE.

Inb4 East sucked.

When Shaq got traded to the Heat Kobe went crazy selfish trying to justify the trade, winning 2 scoring titles but getting knocked off of the playoffs in the first round twice.

Kobe really wasted two prime years of his career trying to make himself the GOAT.

But once Gasol came around in 08 and the Lakers start being successful again people just praised Kobe and not Gasol.

You can still have a good team without superstar help Lebron never had teams as bad the 05-07 Lakers.

East vs West?

Lebron gets to play raptors, bobcats, bucks etc 4 times a year. Not to mention the eastern playoffs is a joke. Even dwight was able to lead his team to the final from the east :facepalm

Shouldn't you include 07-08 for Kobe? He only had Gasol for half the year, and Bynum for 35 (started 25, out for the playoffs).

[QUOTE=ripthekik]East vs West?

Lebron gets to play raptors, bobcats, bucks etc 4 times a year. Not to mention the eastern playoffs is a joke. [B]Even dwight was able to lead his team to the final from the east :facepalm[/B][/QUOTE]
2009 dwight would be the best player in the western conference this year. Rip, you are a bitter salty and retarded hoe

[QUOTE=ripthekik]East vs West?

Lebron gets to play raptors, bobcats, bucks etc 4 times a year. Not to mention the eastern playoffs is a joke. Even dwight was able to lead his team to the final from the east :facepalm[/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="4"]LeBron James splits vs East/West[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://oi42.tinypic.com/i1zfxu.jpg[/IMG]
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[B]Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West[/B][/SIZE]

[IMG]http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9ufd4.jpg[/IMG]

Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

[B]LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)

[/B]

LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

[B]Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games[/B]

The Wests[B] VERY BEST[/B] was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana][B][SIZE="4"]LeBron James splits vs East/West[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://oi42.tinypic.com/i1zfxu.jpg[/IMG]
[SIZE="4"]
[B]Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West[/B][/SIZE]

[IMG]http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9ufd4.jpg[/IMG]

Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

[B]LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)

[/B]

LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

[B]Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games[/B]

The Wests[B] VERY BEST[/B] was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.[/QUOTE]

Damn, great post! I was about to type the same thing but thankfully hit 'Refresh' first and saw yours was better written!

Will rep when I can (I get "You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."). :bowdown:

[QUOTE=TonyMontana][B][SIZE="4"]LeBron James splits vs East/West[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://oi42.tinypic.com/i1zfxu.jpg[/IMG]
[SIZE="4"]
[B]Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West[/B][/SIZE]

[IMG]http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9ufd4.jpg[/IMG]

Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

[B]LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)

[/B]

LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

[B]Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games[/B]

The Wests[B] VERY BEST[/B] was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.[/QUOTE]
:applause:

ripthekik getting killed by some quality April 2013 posters these days.

[QUOTE=TonyMontana][B][SIZE="4"]LeBron James splits vs East/West[/SIZE][/B]

[IMG]http://oi42.tinypic.com/i1zfxu.jpg[/IMG]
[SIZE="4"]
[B]Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West[/B][/SIZE]

[IMG]http://oi41.tinypic.com/2s9ufd4.jpg[/IMG]

Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

[B]LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)

[/B]

LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

[B]Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games[/B]

The Wests[B] VERY BEST[/B] was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.[/QUOTE]

Facts are Bean stans' worst enemies. Repped :applause:

But but LeBron's team was built to compliment his skills, and they were playing in the east
Lakers just got scrubs for Kobe,

:confusedshrug:

The East is weak as fvck. You think the Heat would have survived in the West last year without Bosh for the second round? Hell nah, who you trying to fool with those cherry picked stats. They don't mean shit.

[QUOTE=fpliii]Shouldn't you include 07-08 for Kobe? He only had Gasol for half the year, and Bynum for 35 (started 25, out for the playoffs).[/QUOTE]

I'm not one to quote myself, but how does this qualify as superstar help?