No Doubt About It: Lakers VS Kings 2002 WAS RIGGED!!!

[RIMMER]

Anyone, besides delusional Lakers fans, could tell that the LAL vs SAC Western Conference Finals series of 2002 was rigged. Now we have the official proof with Donaghy's testimonial.


Court documents filed Tuesday by Donaghy's lawyer detailed the "inner workings" of a plot in which top league executives used referees to manipulate the games, the report said. Donaghy claims two referees were "company men" whose job was to extend a playoff series in 2002 to a seventh game.

The documents did not name the series, but the Lakers-Kings Western Conference finals was the only series in 2002 that went to a seventh game, with the Lakers winning Game 6, 106-102.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHMA

Now, somebody post some YouTube videos. Complete and utter BULLSH*T championship by LA.

[bigkingsfan]

Shocking http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies2/scratchchin.gif

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

NBA = WWE

Players faking injuries, flopping, refs with the inside job, comissioner already knowing the outcome....






:banghead:

[~LA's fine$t~]

:oldlol: All the loser fans are getting excited because now they feel like their team won the championship, I do recall the officials being completely fair in game 7 of that series, which ended up in LA win.

Plus who's the source? The idiot that got fired by the NBA?
Big shocker there, probably trying to tarnish the league because he got caught.

[RIMMER]

:oldlol: All the loser fans are getting excited because now they feel like their team won the championship, I do recall the officials being completely fair in game 7 of that series, which ended up in LA win.

Plus who's the source? The idiot that got fired by the NBA?
Big shocker there, probably trying to tarnish the league because he got caught.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Completely fair my ASS. Like I said before, the only people who couldn't see through the BS officiating were delusional Laker fans like yourself.

[IllegalD]

:oldlol: All the loser fans are getting excited because now they feel like their team won the championship, I do recall the officials being completely fair in game 7 of that series, which ended up in LA win.

Plus who's the source? The idiot that got fired by the NBA?
Big shocker there, probably trying to tarnish the league because he got caught.

Well, Laker fans CAN'T have it BOTH ways.

You complain about the FT discrepancy in Game 2 of this year's Lakers/Celtics Finals, and b*tch about how the Lakers got "jobbed" by the refs.

Yet when it comes to a series in which the LAKERS won (and appeared to have favorable calls called their way in a crucial Game 6) you just brush it off as rantings from "loser fans" or sour-grapes from a ref who got $hit-canned

[~LA's fine$t~]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.

[TruthKGRay3412]

:lol :lol ..priceless.

[RIMMER]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.

Right, three straight offensive foul calls on the Kings in the last minute 30 were completely justified! Eureka!!

[~LA's fine$t~]

Well, Laker fans CAN'T have it BOTH ways.

You complain about the FT discrepancy in Game 2 of this year's Lakers/Celtics Finals, and b*tch about how the Lakers got "jobbed" by the refs.

Yet when it comes to a series in which the LAKERS won (and appeared to have favorable calls called their way in a crucial Game 6) you just brush it off as rantings from "loser fans" or sour-grapes from a ref who got $hit-canned

According to who exactly, tell me the source that's telling us this story?
Yeah real credible, a known cheater. Who's to say his intention isn't to simply drag other people with him.

Boo-hoo, you people will believe anything anti-Lakers.

[rezznor]

Well, Laker fans CAN'T have it BOTH ways.

You complain about the FT discrepancy in Game 2 of this year's Lakers/Celtics Finals, and b*tch about how the Lakers got "jobbed" by the refs.

Yet when it comes to a series in which the LAKERS won (and appeared to have favorable calls called their way in a crucial Game 6) you just brush it off as rantings from "loser fans" or sour-grapes from a ref who got $hit-canned
yep, personally, i think the lakers got jobbed in game 2...but they benefited from the same kind of calls against sacramento.

think about, what storyline would the nba prefer...the return to prominence for the long suffering but storied Celtic franchise, or another ring for Kobe and the lakers this decade?

[~LA's fine$t~]

Right, three straight offensive foul calls on the Kings in the last minute 30 were completely justified! Eureka!!

Are you talking about game 6 or 7 buddy, keep up.
I believe the elbow to Mike Bibby's face that was called against him was game 6, but then again it's like 6 years ago. But I'm pretty sure you have game 6 in mind.

[aznboy2k2]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.

Was game 6 fair?

[gasolina]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.

That's beside the point. Game 6 was soooooo rigged and if it weren't then I guess there might not even be a game 7.

[eliteballer]

Then tell me how the Kings got more total FTA's in the series and the biggest difference in FTA was not in Game 6, but in Game 5 and FAVORED the Kings.

[aznboy2k2]

That's beside the point. Game 6 was soooooo rigged and if it weren't then I guess there might not even be a game 7.

Kings had it wrapped it. But lost by 4 points.
Game 7 shouldn't even matter.

Laker fans don't realize that. They often get confused.

[aznboy2k2]

I wonder what that dumass coach Phil Jackson has to say.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Was game 6 fair?

Nope, I thought we got a lot of favorable calls.

[TripleDouble123]

To all you Lakers fans complaining about game 2 of this year's finals.... You guys have nothing on this if it's true. :banghead:

[aznboy2k2]

Nope, I thought we got a lot of favorable calls.

Then why the hell are you mentioning game 7?
Who the hell cares, there wasn't supposed to BE a GAME SEVEN.

[Poseidon]

To all you Lakers fans complaining about game 2 of this year's finals.... You guys have nothing on this if it's true. :banghead:

So 2 WRONGS make a right? :rolleyes:

[JellyBean]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.

:applause: U tell 'em, dawg

[CaNt Be ToUcHeD]

Then tell me how the Kings got more total FTA's in the series and the biggest difference in FTA was not in Game 6, but in Game 5 and FAVORED the Kings.


cuz they were trying to get it to 7 games so the kings may have gotten some calls here and there

[bigkingsfan]

4th Period
(11:34) [LAL 76-75] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)
(11:34) [LAL 77-75] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (31 PTS)
(10:28) [LAL] George Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(10:28) [LAL 80-75] George Free Throw 2 of 2 (1 PTS)
(9:46) [SAC] Stojakovic Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(9:46) [SAC] Stojakovic Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(8:29) [LAL 83-81] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (34 PTS)
(8:29) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(7:37) [LAL 84-81] Bryant Free Throw Flagrant 1 of 2 (23 PTS)
(6:21) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(6:21) [LAL 89-85] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (37 PTS)
(4:38) [SAC 90-89] Divac Free Throw 1 of 1 (12 PTS)
(4:24) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(4:24) [LAL 90-90] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (38 PTS)
(2:56) [LAL 91-92] Horry Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
(2:56) [LAL 92-92] Horry Free Throw 2 of 2 (7 PTS)
(2:17) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(2:17) [LAL 93-92] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (39 PTS)
(2:07) [SAC 93-93] Funderburke Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(2:07) [SAC 94-93] Funderburke Free Throw 2 of 2 (2 PTS)
(1:55) [LAL 94-94] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (26 PTS)
(1:55) [LAL 95-94] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (27 PTS)
(1:37) [LAL 96-94] Fox Free Throw 1 of 2 (8 PTS)
(1:37) [LAL 97-94] Fox Free Throw 2 of 2 (9 PTS)
(1:27) [SAC 95-97] Bibby Free Throw 1 of 2 (22 PTS)
(1:27) [SAC 96-97] Bibby Free Throw 2 of 2 (23 PTS)
(1:15) [LAL 98-96] Fox Free Throw 1 of 2 (10 PTS)
(1:15) [LAL 99-96] Fox Free Throw 2 of 2 (11 PTS)
(0:20) [SAC 99-101] Turkoglu Free Throw 1 of 2 (9 PTS)
(0:20) [SAC 100-101] Turkoglu Free Throw 2 of 2 (10 PTS)
(0:19) [LAL 102-100] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (28 PTS)
(0:19) [LAL 103-100] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (29 PTS)
(0:11) [LAL 104-102] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)
(0:11) [LAL 105-102] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (31 PTS)
(0:02) [LAL] Horry Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:02) [LAL 106-102] Horry Free Throw 2 of 2 (8 PTS)

27 FT in a single quarter :roll:

[aznboy2k2]

I hope it's not ol' Dickie B. Hes my fav. ref.

[RIMMER]

4th Period
(11:34) [LAL 76-75] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)
(11:34) [LAL 77-75] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (31 PTS)
(10:28) [LAL] George Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(10:28) [LAL 80-75] George Free Throw 2 of 2 (1 PTS)
(9:46) [SAC] Stojakovic Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(9:46) [SAC] Stojakovic Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(8:29) [LAL 83-81] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (34 PTS)
(8:29) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(7:37) [LAL 84-81] Bryant Free Throw Flagrant 1 of 2 (23 PTS)
(6:21) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(6:21) [LAL 89-85] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (37 PTS)
(4:38) [SAC 90-89] Divac Free Throw 1 of 1 (12 PTS)
(4:24) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(4:24) [LAL 90-90] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (38 PTS)
(2:56) [LAL 91-92] Horry Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
(2:56) [LAL 92-92] Horry Free Throw 2 of 2 (7 PTS)
(2:17) [LAL] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(2:17) [LAL 93-92] O'Neal Free Throw 2 of 2 (39 PTS)
(2:07) [SAC 93-93] Funderburke Free Throw 1 of 2 (1 PTS)
(2:07) [SAC 94-93] Funderburke Free Throw 2 of 2 (2 PTS)
(1:55) [LAL 94-94] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (26 PTS)
(1:55) [LAL 95-94] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (27 PTS)
(1:37) [LAL 96-94] Fox Free Throw 1 of 2 (8 PTS)
(1:37) [LAL 97-94] Fox Free Throw 2 of 2 (9 PTS)
(1:27) [SAC 95-97] Bibby Free Throw 1 of 2 (22 PTS)
(1:27) [SAC 96-97] Bibby Free Throw 2 of 2 (23 PTS)
(1:15) [LAL 98-96] Fox Free Throw 1 of 2 (10 PTS)
(1:15) [LAL 99-96] Fox Free Throw 2 of 2 (11 PTS)
(0:20) [SAC 99-101] Turkoglu Free Throw 1 of 2 (9 PTS)
(0:20) [SAC 100-101] Turkoglu Free Throw 2 of 2 (10 PTS)
(0:19) [LAL 102-100] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (28 PTS)
(0:19) [LAL 103-100] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (29 PTS)
(0:11) [LAL 104-102] Bryant Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)
(0:11) [LAL 105-102] Bryant Free Throw 2 of 2 (31 PTS)
(0:02) [LAL] Horry Free Throw 1 of 2 missed
(0:02) [LAL 106-102] Horry Free Throw 2 of 2 (8 PTS)

27 FT in a single quarter :roll:

And somehow, Laker fans will see right through those pages of numbers and still believe their team won fairly with unbiased officiating.

[aznboy2k2]

4th Period

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27 FT in a single quarter :roll:

Hey, that's almost 3x what they got in the entire Celtics vs Lakers game 2. Awesome!

[aznboy2k2]

The team supposedly favored by the refs won Games 6 and 7 to win the series, according to the allegations.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHMA

Not just game SIX, but game SEVEN as well. Wow.

[iDunk]

If that stupid refeering wouldn't have happened.

The Nets would have played the Kings in the Finals. And they might've stood more of a chance. So the Nets are my team and stupid reefere's affected the Nets as well.

[kobeFANNER]

How does this series have anything to do with with the officiating in the finals this year. Just because officials rigged a series in 2002 doesnt make it right to rig a series for the celtics in 2008. Celtic fans looking anywhere and everywhere to try to justify their rigged 2-0 lead in these finals.

[rezznor]

it's not just the blatant fixing, but also the pandering to the refs by some teams


According to the document, Donaghy also said "league officials would tell referees that they should withhold calling technical fouls on certain star players because doing so hurt ticket sales and television ratings."

Donaghy also said refs broke league rules by routinely fraternizing with players, coaches and team management and that the resulting inappropriate relationships may have influenced the outcomes of games. He claims one general manager in 2004 made a game-day phone call to referees to encourage them to call more personal fouls against an opponent.

Donaghy claims referees have accepted autographs, merchandise and meals from team representatives. He said one official used a team's facility to exercise and another played tennis with an NBA coach.

[~LA's fine$t~]

FT discrepancy in game 6 was 40-25 in favor of LA, not so hard to believe considering we had two superstars who get preferential treatment.

Not as lopsided as 38 to 10!!

In game 7: LA had 3 more FT's (LA won)
In game 6: LA had 15 more FT's (LA won)
In game 5: Kings had 10 more FT's (Kings won)
In game 4: LA had 1 more FT (LA won)
In game 3: Kings had 20 more FT's (Kings won)
In game 2: Kings had 13 more FT's (Kings won)
In game 1: LA had 5 more FT's (LA won)

Should I ***** and moan about the NBA rigging it in favor of Sacramento in games 2 and 3 when they went to the line 13 & 20 more times, respectively.

About the same discrepancy you guys are *****ing about. You know you keep calling Lakers fan delusional etc. but it's pathetic how one sided some of your arguments are. If they wanted to "screw" Sacramento so badly they wouldn't have put them 19 more times at the FT line during the duration of that series.

[~LA's fine$t~]

The team supposedly favored by the refs won Games 6 and 7 to win the series, according to the allegations.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHMA

Not just game SIX, but game SEVEN as well. Wow.

BS, that game was called right down the line. :roll:
That so called source just lost every inch of credibility.

[RIMMER]

BS, that game was called right down the line. :roll:
That so called source just lost every inch of credibility.

No matter how much you try to douse it, this fire is only going to burn bigger and badder.

[niko]

He took a series we all know was officiated badly, and decided to say its fixed so he could say he's being cooperative and try to get a lesser sentence. After the fact, 5 years later, even WITH that series pissing me off as much as it did, the kings had every chance to win game 6 even with the horrific officiating. i dont think a game that refs conspired for a team to win would be so close. it doesnt make sense. wouldnt it be a 10 pt game?

[DuMa]

wow is this 2002?

[MMM]

The NBA rigged era is as bad as the steroid era in baseball.everything should have a big asterisks next to them.

[icemanfan]

He took a series we all know was officiated badly, and decided to say its fixed so he could say he's being cooperative and try to get a lesser sentence. After the fact, 5 years later, even WITH that series pissing me off as much as it did, the kings had every chance to win game 6 even with the horrific officiating. i dont think a game that refs conspired for a team to win would be so close. it doesnt make sense. wouldnt it be a 10 pt game?
does anyone know what the point spread on that game for the Lakers was? If they were getting points at home all you have to do is keep it close you do not have to worry who wins or looses as long as the team your backers are betting on covers the spread then nothing else counts.

[AIrules]

NBA=WWE

I disagree..NBA aint scripted

[Showtime]

Watch game 7 again.
Quit tossing the world delusional like it's the only word you know, you're exposing yourself as a complete moron right now because game 7 was about as fair as it gets for both teams.
The point is that it was game 6 that was rigged, and if the refs didn't hand them the game with 27 FT's in the 4th quarter alone (and game 6 was the one referenced in the article to extend the series), then there would be no game 7. Game 7 is moot, because if Sac wins game 6, the series is over.

Game 5, kings got favorable calls, game 6 was handed to LA, and we know the rest.

[niko]

the point spread is not relevant, he said they conspired to allow one team to win a series. covering would not help them.

to me, i want something specific that you and i don't know. so far, the amount of information is something someone on this board could do to prove the nba is rigged. the series we all hate on the officiating about, and the series van gundy went public with specific complaints. there is nothing so far you or i couldn't pretend we knew was fixed.

ill believe when i see something concrete. you all WANT a conspiracy. if it was something you didnt want, you'd see waht this is, a person who needs to provide someone else up if he doesn't want to go to jail, throwing out things that were very obivious and in the public eye. when there are specifics, some proof, and its something i couldnt yell conspiracy about myself ill beleive.

[bigkingsfan]

Game six closing seconds, guess who got whistle for the foul?

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

Ref staring directly at the play...

[Lebron23]

http://images.allposters.com/images/151/3196.jpg


2002 Sacramento Kings= Uncrowned World Champion.



NBA = WWE ( Where the referees decide the outcome of the game)

[NY Comeback]

Game six closing seconds, guess who got whistle for the foul?
Erm....not Kobe! :D

[niko]

Excuse me, don't somehow go allowing the Kings off the hook for the fact they were the biggest bunch of chokers in the world. As well as they played, and as bad as that game was officiated, in that game, and game 7, they had so many chances and so many shots that would have iced it, and they missed. EVEN with the crap ass officating they had shots in game 6 that could have one it, or a grabbed rebound, etc. And they NEVER did. They never never could to it.

Talk conspiracy if it gets you hard, but don't somehow allow the kings off the hook.

[gasolina]

In game 3: Kings had 20 more FT's (Kings won)
In game 2: Kings had 13 more FT's (Kings won)

Should I ***** and moan about the NBA rigging it in favor of Sacramento in games 2 and 3 when they went to the line 13 & 20 more times, respectively.

LOL you man are a freakin retard.

There is nothing outside than you inexplainable world that suggested that games 2 and 3 were ever fixed. Even with that FT discrepancy, I recall no laker fan *****ing about games 2 and 3 back then. You only bring it up now because you think FTs are the only thing that could've cost games.


About the same discrepancy you guys are *****ing about. You know you keep calling Lakers fan delusional etc. but it's pathetic how one sided some of your arguments are. If they wanted to "screw" Sacramento so badly they wouldn't have put them 19 more times at the FT line during the duration of that series.

The league didn't want to eliminate the kings with a sweep, they wanted it done in SEVEN games. Seven games = money. Laker win in seven games = even more money.

Please try and re-read your posts before you make them. You'd catch a lot of nonsense in them.

[Showtime]

Excuse me, don't somehow go allowing the Kings off the hook for the fact they were the biggest bunch of chokers in the world. As well as they played, and as bad as that game was officiated, in that game, and game 7, they had so many chances and so many shots that would have iced it, and they missed. EVEN with the crap ass officating they had shots in game 6 that could have one it, or a grabbed rebound, etc. And they NEVER did. They never never could to it.

Talk conspiracy if it gets you hard, but don't somehow allow the kings off the hook.
Nobody is saying Kings didn't choke, but they choked in game 7, missing 14 FT's. But this isn't about game 7, it's about 6. Game 5 kings got the benefit from the refs, no doubt. Game 6 wasn't just some preferential treatment, they straight handed LA the game...in the 4th quarter!

Sac had opportunities to close out the series in game 7, and failed, but the refs extended the series so as to not end so soon...in the Kings' favor in 6.

[gasolina]

Talk conspiracy if it gets you hard, but don't somehow allow the kings off the hook.

Not even trying to do that. But I will throw this out. Have you experienced playing in a fixed game against your team? It feels so frustrating, you'd just not want to play hard anymore. Cause it wouldn't matter.

[aznboy2k2]

BS, that game was called right down the line. :roll:
That so called source just lost every inch of credibility.

I think only you and the Laker fans believe that.

[aznboy2k2]

Game six closing seconds, guess who got whistle for the foul?

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

Ref staring directly at the play...

This quote needs a bump every page.

[RandomBalla55]

Nobody is saying Kings didn't choke, but they choked in game 7, missing 14 FT's. But this isn't about game 7, it's about 6. Game 5 kings got the benefit from the refs. Game 6 wasn't just some preferential treatment, they straight handed LA the game.

Sac had opportunities to close out the series in game 7, and failed, but the refs extended the series so as to not end so soon...in the Kings' favor in 6.

I agree.

Sacramento choked in Game 7, but the series shouldn't even have gone 7, which makes it a shame. Sacto was seriously one of the best teams to not a win ring.

[niko]

Nobody is saying Kings didn't choke, but they choked in game 7, missing 14 FT's. But this isn't about game 7, it's about 6. Game 5 kings got the benefit from the refs, no doubt. Game 6 wasn't just some preferential treatment, they straight handed LA the game...in the 4th quarter!

Sac had opportunities to close out the series in game 7, and failed, but the refs extended the series so as to not end so soon...in the Kings' favor in 6.

they also had the opportunity to win the game in game 6. they had endless shots if they jsut hit them. yes, the lakers got calls all over. BUT STILL Sac was in the game, and they'd have a chance to take a lead, or increase their lead, and EVERY ****ING TIME clang clang clang.

i LOVED that kings team, you dont understand. and the officiating was horrid ALWAYS when they played the lakers. but they cracked too, they really really did.

[~LA's fine$t~]

LOL you man are a freakin retard.

There is nothing outside than you inexplainable world that suggested that games 2 and 3 were ever fixed. Even with that FT discrepancy, I recall no laker fan *****ing about games 2 and 3 back then. You only bring it up now because you think FTs are the only thing that could've cost games.



The league didn't want to eliminate the kings with a sweep, they wanted it done in SEVEN games. Seven games = money. Laker win in seven games = even more money.

Please try and re-read your posts before you make them. You'd catch a lot of nonsense in them.

I am a freaking retard because someone shows us a large discrepancy in terms of trips to the line favoring LA in game 6, I use the same logic and I'm being called out?

Is that the best you could do? It was 6 years ago, do you vividly remember each game? Or how the hell so you know how other Laker fans felt during those two games?

So when Sacramento goes to the line 20 more times, it's inexplainable...but when a poster shows proof that LA went to the line 18 more times in the 4th quarter of game 6, it's SO RIGGED.

Did you say my posts were non-sense? Instead of calling me names, you could have wrote something substantial that would warrant a proper reply out of me.

Now don't get me wrong, I already said LA had favorable calls in game 6...but so did Sacramento in other games that series.

The reason I bring game 7 is because it was called down the line, and LA still won the series at Arco nonetheless.

[crisoner]

I got the tape of the game the Kings CHOKED.

Webber passing on shots etc.

Stop the BS.

[ZOMG]

Have you experienced playing in a fixed game against your team?

No, and you probably haven't either, despite what you WANT to believe.

[Showtime]

I am a freaking retard because someone shows us a large discrepancy in terms of trips to the line favoring LA in game 6, I use the same logic and I'm being called out?

Is that the best you could do? It was 6 years ago, do you vividly remember each game? Or how the hell so you know how other Laker fans felt during those two games?

So when Sacramento goes to the line 20 more times, it's inexplainable...but when a poster shows proof that LA went to the line 18 more times in the 4th quarter of game 6, it's SO RIGGED.

Did you say my posts were non-sense? Instead of calling me names, you could have wrote something substantial that would warrant a proper reply out of me.

Now don't get me wrong, I already said LA had favorable calls in game 6...but so did Sacramento in other games that series.

The reason I bring game 7 is because it was called down the line, and LA still won the series at Arco nonetheless.
27 FT's in the 4th quarter of a potential series deciding game, the same game a ref says is fixed > total game or total series FT attempts.

[aznboy2k2]

I am a freaking retard because someone shows us a large discrepancy in terms of trips to the line favoring LA in game 6, I use the same logic and I'm being called out?

Is that the best you could do? It was 6 years ago, do you vividly remember each game? Or how the hell so you know how other Laker fans felt during those two games?

So when Sacramento goes to the line 20 more times, it's inexplainable...but when a poster shows proof that LA went to the line 18 more times in the 4th quarter of game 6, it's SO RIGGED.

Did you say my posts were non-sense? Instead of calling me names, you could have wrote something substantial that would warrant a proper reply out of me.

Now don't get me wrong, I already said LA had favorable calls in game 6...but so did Sacramento in other games that series.

The reason I bring game 7 is because it was called down the line, and LA still won the series at Arco nonetheless.


I can only imagine what you would be saying had it been the other way around.

I think that you just dont get it.

No one cares about game 2 and game 3. The source says NOTHING about those games. It's game SIX and game SEVEN that were apparently rigged. So as far as I am concern game 2 and game 3 were clean.

game six, even in YOUR own opinion was pathetic. so had game six been called better, there would be no game SEVEN. so game SEVEN doesn't mean ****.


I want to know what you think about this


Game six closing seconds, guess who got whistle for the foul?

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

Ref staring directly at the play...

Must have been a foul on Bibby huh?

[Showtime]

I got the tape of the game the Kings CHOKED.

Webber passing on shots etc.

Stop the BS.
Yes they choked, but even when choking, still should have won

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

There's a difference between refs that influence a game, and refs that decide the game.

[crisoner]

Yes they choked, but even when choking, still should have won

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

There's a difference between refs that influence a game, and refs that decide the game.


If you talking about game seven...pure choke job. Game 6 can be up for debate....I won't lie.

[aznboy2k2]

If you talking about game seven...pure choke job. Game 6 can be up for debate....I won't lie.

Why does game seven matter when the series should have ended at six?

[niko]

you show that last play, seriously do you remember the game or you just youtubed the play? BEcause even after the free throws AGAIN (cause you people dont hear anything unless someone says something like **** KOBE or SOMEONE CHEATED in the sentence) the Kings had a ton of opportunities where a shot here or there would have done it, and Webber was afraid to shoot, Bibby was missing, they all cracked.

you want to say the league cheated, fine but don't rewrite the game. Look at the stats. But don't act like the last 5 minutes were the refs cheating the kings every time they had the ball, cause it wasn't.

[niko]

Why does game seven matter when the series should have ended at six?

can you discuss game 6 in any rational way? like, the actual game? What you saw? plays outside the last one?

[aznboy2k2]

you show that last play, seriously do you remember the game or you just youtubed the play? BEcause even after the free throws AGAIN (cause you people dont hear anything unless someone says something like **** KOBE or SOMEONE CHEATED in the sentence) the Kings had a ton of opportunities where a shot here or there would have done it, and Webber was afraid to shoot, Bibby was missing, they all cracked.

you want to say the league cheated, fine but don't rewrite the game. Look at the stats. But don't act like the last 5 minutes were the refs cheating the kings every time they had the ball, cause it wasn't.


Hm... maybe the Kings wouldn't have had to rely on Webber to shot the ball or Bibbys inability to make shots had the refs called the game fairly... maybe?

[RoseCity07]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Completely fair my ASS. Like I said before, the only people who couldn't see through the BS officiating were delusional Laker fans like yourself.


I agree with you. Isn't so sad how every game the Lakers win they view as fairly refereed, and when they lose the NBA and Stern are against them. If the league really is rigging this series for the Celtics then all I can say is it's about time. They don't like it when the tables are turned. Now they have to feel what it's like to see their team play 5 on 8. The Kings put up a better fight than the Lakers.

[~LA's fine$t~]

Yes they choked, but even when choking, still should have won

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

There's a difference between refs that influence a game, and refs that decide the game.

You just called me an idiot, yet you don't even know what the **** you're talking about right now. Game 7, Sacramento shot like 50% from the line while missing like 14 of them. Officials did NOT make any questionable calls late in that game, it was game 6 where there were questionable calls against Sacramento like that Bibby foul.

Quit confusing the two games, I know I know, you'll just refer to the "game 7 wasn't necessary if game 6 was called the right way."

But I'm just trying to clear it up for you, that game 7 was in fact called straight down the middle.

As far as 27 FTs during the fourth, you are correct in that regard. My point which was poorly worded previously was that those 27 FTs were not all "undeserved" either, I recall Sacramento clearly fouling Shaq on a few plays and so on. That Bibby foul and a few others I can recall were very questionable, but just like in game 2 and 3...you can't just look at the FT discrepancy and properly measure just how badly the refs screwed either team. Some of those calls were valid. My earlier post was a mockery of the logic that the previous poster used by posting the amount of times LA went to the FT line in the 4th, that's not necessarily the reason the game was rigged. I mean it could have been, it's been too long ago for me to completely remember what happened in that quarter but there are other factors outside of going to the line that could mean a "fixed" game.

Like game 2 against Boston, I was obviously mad at the FT discrepancy, but that's not why I believe that game look very suspicious. It's because our team kept getting into foul trouble 2 minutes into every ****ing quarter. It was insane how much they blew the whistle against us.

I could give a rats ass about Boston taking those FTs, but what it does is put us out of our rhythm...and makes us look inferior defensively, because now we can't be as physical. That to me factors in more then the opposition taking free throws, because the whole game plan goes out the window...you lose your confidence, your rhythm, you start being complacent, you start thinking officials are against you etc.

That's how officials can **** you up, and that's what they did in game 2 against us. That's what they did to Sacramento in game 6, but you don't need to show me those FT's as the main/sole reason.

[baseketball4life]

haha yeah there is no doubt LAL/SAC was rigged, i remember that ****... **** was totally rigged, was like wrestling but i was happy with the result :lol

[Showtime]

you show that last play, seriously do you remember the game or you just youtubed the play? BEcause even after the free throws AGAIN (cause you people dont hear anything unless someone says something like **** KOBE or SOMEONE CHEATED in the sentence) the Kings had a ton of opportunities where a shot here or there would have done it, and Webber was afraid to shoot, Bibby was missing, they all cracked.

you want to say the league cheated, fine but don't rewrite the game. Look at the stats. But don't act like the last 5 minutes were the refs cheating the kings every time they had the ball, cause it wasn't.
NOBODY IS SAYING KINGS PLAYED A PERFECT GAME RETARD. Read the effing posts. There is a difference in getting some calls, and refs wanting to decide a game.

[bigkingsfan]

Like game 2 against Boston, I was obviously mad at the FT discrepancy, but that's not why I believe that game look very suspicious. It's because our team kept getting into foul trouble 2 minutes into every ****ing quarter. It was insane how much they blew the whistle against us.



Two Kings (Pollard and Vlade) fouled out in Game 6. Webber got 5

[Emile]

Did I even watch that game 6? I don't even remember.
Remember watching game 4, that was Horry, right? Game 7, yeah..
What game was Bibby's game winner. Didn't watch that one.
Quite possible I didn't even watch game 6. But I think I did. Don't remember anything though.

Is there a youtube link or something? Where can I see it?

[gasolina]

I am a freaking retard because someone shows us a large discrepancy in terms of trips to the line favoring LA in game 6, I use the same logic and I'm being called out?

There is something you call corroborating evidence. No one mentioned about game 2 or 3 being fixed. It was game 6 and 7. So someone mentioned about FT discrepancies in the 4th quarter. Evidence to corroborate the accusation.

Logic? Your logic is FLAWED. If someone from Florida was accused of stealing something in New York on April 21, won't airline tickets purchased to and from New York on April 18-25 corroborate as evidence? But hell, according to your logic, ALL the people in the plane are just as guilty as the accused. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SAME PLANE.

You can't say the Kings were also favored by the ref JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE FTs.[/QUOTE]


Did you say my posts were non-sense? Instead of calling me names, you could have wrote something substantial that would warrant a proper reply out of me.

Let's see you make up something without that BS logic of yours.

[~LA's fine$t~]

There is something you call corroborating evidence. No one mentioned about game 2 or 3 being fixed. It was game 6 and 7. So someone mentioned about FT discrepancies in the 4th quarter. Evidence to corroborate the accusation.

Logic? Your logic is FLAWED. If someone from Florida was accused of stealing something in New York on April 21, won't airline tickets purchased to and from New York on April 18-25 corroborate as evidence? But hell, according to your logic, ALL the people in the plane are just as guilty as the accused. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE SAME PLANE.

You can't say the Kings were also favored by the ref JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE FTs.



Re-read my previous post.

[NY Comeback]

If you talking about game seven...pure choke job. Game 6 can be up for debate....I won't lie.
Up for debate? :oldlol:

Why are some of you trying to defend this? There's pretty much nothing you can do or say to justify Game 6, or the series for that matter. Sac Town got jobbed by the refs, it's pretty simple.

[Showtime]

You just called me an idiot, yet you don't even know what the **** you're talking about right now. Game 7, Sacramento shot like 50% from the line while missing like 14 of them. Officials did NOT make any questionable calls late in that game, it was game 6 where there were questionable calls against Sacramento like that Bibby foul.

I'm not talking about game 7 (where the Kings missed 14 FT's), because game 6 was the one that was referenced in the article, and was the same game that had LA take 27 4th quarter FT's. It was also a deciding game in the series, because Sac was up 3-2.


As far as 27 FTs during the fourth, you are correct in that regard. My point which was poorly worded previously was that those 27 FTs were not all "undeserved" either, I recall Sacramento clearly fouling Shaq on a few plays and so on. That Bibby foul and a few others I can recall were very questionable, but just like in game 2 and 3...you can't just look at the FT discrepancy and properly measure just how badly the refs screwed either team. Some of those calls were valid. My earlier post was a mockery of the logic that the previous poster used by posting the amount of times LA went to the FT line in the 4th, that's not necessarily the reason the game was rigged. I mean it could have been, it's been too long ago for me to completely remember what happened in that quarter but there are other factors outside of going to the line that could mean a "fixed" game.

Shaq was a beast, but some of those calls were ridiculous. The difference in my mind is when the calls came. I understand teams get favored at times by the refs, but in my mind, game 6 goes beyond that and into a rigged level.

Yes, Peja was coming back from injury and sucked. Yes, players missed big shots. In my mind, I don't blame just the refs. It's a combination of choking, and the refs. But again, I have never seen anything like that 4th quarter of a series deciding game in the WCF.


Like game 2 against Boston, I was obviously mad at the FT discrepancy, but that's not why I believe that game look very suspicious. It's because our team kept getting into foul trouble 2 minutes into every ****ing quarter. It was insane how much they blew the whistle against us.

That is a totally different situation because of timing and degree. There were only about 5 or 6 calls going against LA that were questionable, and they weren't late in the 4th, and weren't in a series deciding game.

[~LA's fine$t~]

That is a totally different situation because of timing and degree. There were only about 5 or 6 calls going against LA that were questionable, and they weren't late in the 4th, and weren't in a series deciding game.

History says otherwise, only 90% of teams come back after being down 0-2 in the NBA finals...just as bad as game 6, IMO.

[VCMVP1551]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Completely fair my ASS. Like I said before, the only people who couldn't see through the BS officiating were delusional Laker fans like yourself.

The Kings missed something close to half their free throws in Game 7 of the 2002 WCF. The refs can't make players miss free throws.

[aznboy2k2]

The Kings missed something close to half their free throws in Game 7 of the 2002 WCF. The refs can't make players miss free throws.

Is there a game seven if game six is called correctly?

[Showtime]

History says otherwise, only 90% of teams come back after being down 0-2 in the NBA finals...just as bad as game 6, IMO.
Uh, games are decided by those involved, not history books. That's why Boston came back from down 0-3 to beat the Yanks in 7. If you honestly think the Kings in '02 and the '08 Lakers situations are equal, then please don't respond to my posts.

[aznboy2k2]

Uh, games are decided by those involved, not history books. That's why Boston came back from down 0-3 to beat the Yanks in 7. If you honestly think the Kings in '02 and the '08 Lakers situations are equal, then please don't respond to my posts.

lol. He's a Laker fan.

[the even bigger black guy]

wow is this 2002?

Are you an absolute moron? Look at the name of the thread. You are such a worthless post whore

[~LA's fine$t~]

Uh, games are decided by those involved, not history books. That's why Boston came back from down 0-3 to beat the Yanks in 7. If you honestly think the Kings in '02 and the '08 Lakers situations are equal, then please don't respond to my posts.

One team goes down 0-2 while being screwed, while the other team got screwed while being up 3-2 isn't somewhat comparable?

In terms of probability on winning the series.
I'm pretty sure home teams that won a game 7 has a higher probabiliy of success, then a team coming back to win a series down 0-2. Maybe you're just not following me.

[Nets fan 93]

Yo forget about this nonsense, what about the finals, the lakers are so popular maybe the refs rigged the finals, Maybe the Nets and Kidd, woulda won... you never know:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
http://netsdaily.com/
[QUOTE]Disgraced NBA ref Tim Donaghy has told prosecutors two fellow refs he described as NBA

[High Potential]

Then tell me how the Kings got more total FTA's in the series and the biggest difference in FTA was not in Game 6, but in Game 5 and FAVORED the Kings.
The Kings were just that much more "aggressive":rolleyes:

[IllegalD]

Yo forget about this nonsense, what about the finals, the lakers are so popular maybe the refs rigged the finals, Maybe the Nets and Kidd, woulda won... you never know:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
http://netsdaily.com/

:banghead: :

:lol

PLEASE bro.

The LEASTERN Conference was a NON-factor in the Laker 3-peat years.

Atleast Kings fan have a "legitimate" gripe. THe series being so close.

Lakers absolutely MOLESTED the Nets that year.

:lol at these pathetic fans attempting to justify their team getting swept

[EricForman]

this was basically fact without the news.

i mean everyone uses this game as the example for shady games. thats why its funny laker fans cry abotu officiating now

[RandomBalla55]

this was basically fact without the news.

i mean everyone uses this game as the example for shady games. thats why its funny laker fans cry abotu officiating now

So true. Everyone that was rational knew that Sacto - LAL was fishy as ****. People wanted to pretend it wasn't fixed.

[juju151111]

U know wat i find funny about this topic.LA fans come in here and say "BUt" gm 7 was call fairly.WTF??? so gm 6 don't count now?

[EricForman]

you know the biggest victim of this?

Chris Webber.

He should have a ring and be cleared of all the "he can't win, he's a choker" label.

Instead, that will ALWAYS be there. His career will always be "he was one of the most skilled and talented players to ever play the game. But..."

[falc39]

The Kings missed something close to half their free throws in Game 7 of the 2002 WCF. The refs can't make players miss free throws.

How can you even reason like this?

So basically,

if the kings shoot poorly with free-throws on game 7, it was justified to rig game 6 against them?

maybe you can say the kings didn't deserve to win, but the exact can be said that the lakers don't deserve it either. it's clearly a tainted series and nothing can justify it if you are a true nba fan.

[falc39]

you know the biggest victim of this?

Chris Webber.

He should have a ring and be cleared of all the "he can't win, he's a choker" label.

Instead, that will ALWAYS be there. His career will always be "he was one of the most skilled and talented players to ever play the game. But..."

yea, what a tragedy. wonder what he has to say about this.

[dnyk1337]

I've lost even more respect for Laker fans. I can't believe they're in this topic trying to defend their team's game 6 win. In my own mind, the Kings won the NBA championship that year. I'll never acknowledge that 2002 championship for the Lakers.

Kings fan for life.

[Showtime]

you know the biggest victim of this?

Chris Webber.

He should have a ring and be cleared of all the "he can't win, he's a choker" label.

Instead, that will ALWAYS be there. His career will always be "he was one of the most skilled and talented players to ever play the game. But..."
And the very next season his career was basically ended by the injury. Highly suspect series followed by a career ending injury. The team never got a 100% healthy, legit shot.

[RIMMER]

I've lost even more respect for Laker fans. I can't believe they're in this topic trying to defend their team's game 6 win. In my own mind, the Kings won the NBA championship that year. I'll never acknowledge that 2002 championship for the Lakers.

Kings fan for life.

Laker fanatics never hesitate to stand against the voice of reason to defend their team and idol.

[Diesel J]

Game six closing seconds, guess who got whistle for the foul?

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

Ref staring directly at the play...


:oldlol: I was mad as hell that day.The biggest raping by the officials ever.

[eliteballer]

I love how everyone is so quick to believe Donaghy, when the dude is on trial for basically being untruthful in the first place:rolleyes: F the haters.

[El Seano]

people are actually entertaining this? You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

[eliteballer]

Then tell me how the Kings got more total FTA's in the series and the biggest difference in FTA was not in Game 6, but in Game 5 and FAVORED the Kings.

Riddle me that, clowns.

[Foster5k]

Sorry. But, Tim Donaghy will say anything to cut some of that 20+ year sentence he is facing. It's like believing a crack head actually is selling you non-stolen property. If any series was rigged, I would say that Miami vs Dallas series where every time D-Wade went to the basket he got a call. Ultimately, that series and every other series wasn't rigged, it was just poor officiating. We've seen poor officiating in this year's finals. Does that mean the NBA wants the Celtics to win a championship? No. I think you guys need to get your facts straight. Oh wait. You're getting your facts from a guy who has lied in the past and who will do and say anything to save his own ass.

[PaPaK]

just confirmed what everyone has been saying for 6 years.. NBA is a ****ing circus.

Can anyone seriously believe that Boston couldnt sweep Atlanta in round 1? Its all fixed so the owners get money from home games. CIRCUS! I cant take this seriously any more.. SterN should go down like Saddam ****ing mother****er piece of ****

and Bevetta.. just no comment

[Showtime]

I love how everyone is so quick to believe Donaghy, when the dude is on trial for basically being untruthful in the first place:rolleyes: F the haters.
Remember when Jose blew the whistle on roids in baseball? Everybody was saying he wasn't credible, he was a jerk just promoting himself and his book, and stand up athletes like Palmero, McGwire, etc couldn't do that. How'd that work out? Just because Tim's an ass and criminal doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think people don't want to accept the kind of stuff that goes on, because then their perceptions would be blown out of the water.

[juju151111]

Riddle me that, clowns.
wait are u dumb??The kings were winning the series and gm 6 happened.Wat don't u get??

[El Seano]

wait are u dumb??The kings were winning the series and gm 6 happened.Wat don't u get??

The fact that a game so obviously rigged and under constant scrutiny from the media year round has only just been uncovered by a referee facing a prison sentence and a bunch of guys on a message board taking time out from their bumper collection of hentai porn?

Oh sorry I meant:

GAME WUZ RIGED! KINGS SHUD HAV WUN!

[RIMMER]

Basketball fans have been talking about this game for YEARS. That's why this is such a hot topic for discussion...because its still THAT fresh in our minds.

Every NON-LAKER fan saw that there was something terribly wrong with the Lakers vs Kings WCF that year. This allegation brings back all those feelings of being cheated by the league out of a fair series.

[dnyk1337]

Remember when Jose blew the whistle on roids in baseball? Everybody was saying he wasn't credible, he was a jerk just promoting himself and his book, and stand up athletes like Palmero, McGwire, etc couldn't do that. How'd that work out? Just because Tim's an ass and criminal doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think people don't want to accept the kind of stuff that goes on, because then their perceptions would be blown out of the water.

Finally, the good Laker fan shows up. He knows reality and he can think for himself.

+1

[steve franchise]

bull**** calls on Kings. David Stern is ***** for not admitting that what the refs are doing is wrong. He keeps that Tim is trying to lessen his sentence, that's how he explains his statements. Fuc* Stern, he should get fired too. this explains all the bull**** calls on Yao Ming. Shi*he still gets called for bull**** calls.

[falc39]

Basketball fans have been talking about this game for YEARS. That's why this is such a hot topic for discussion...because its still THAT fresh in our minds.

Every NON-LAKER fan saw that there was something terribly wrong with the Lakers vs Kings WCF that year. This allegation brings back all those feelings of being cheated by the league out of a fair series.

Yea, and it was painfully obvious to anyone without the blinders on. I mean, anyone who watched the game should be able to remember how big and obvious it was.

The commentators were speechless when they were calling the game. Jay Leno was even joking about it on his show. The league later issued an apology to sacramento. Even Ralph Nader got involved!!!!!!!! I mean anyone with an unbiased perspective could tell something was wrong

[ukplayer4]

FINALLY!


FINALLY THE TRUTH IS OUT.


this sheds no new light on the matter for me, i have been saying since 02 as have others that there was blatent game fixing, even thoe there have been many shoddy reffered series' the kings lakers 02 was the only one i was absoloutly sure was fixed to force the lakers to win.
the kings were the far greater team that year they fully deserved the title, finally we have the truth that the filthy laker scum stole a title from the more deserving kings.

kobe,horry and shaq should be made to give webber/bibby and divac their rings.

finally the truth is out, this is a great day for justice.

[El Seano]

finally the truth is out, this is a great day for justice.

We expect Nelson Mandela to appear at any moment.

[Burgz]

wow, i cant believe everyones getting riled up over a series 6 years ago, its over, whether anyone thinks it was fairly officiated or not frankly doesnt mean sh*t. What's done is done, move on.

[jmill]

The problem I have with discrediting the Lakers title in 02 isn't that I disagree with game 6 being called terribly.

It's how badly games 2 and 3 were called in favor of the Kings. I mean it was bad, and I'm almost never one to complain about officials.

Are people really trying to ignore Games 2&3 of that series? Seriously? I specifically remember that entire series being called terribly, BOTH ways, so unless he had money on the Lakers specifically winning in 7 I just don't get it.

[jmill]

I have no problem saying Game 6 was absolutely atrocious though. 27 FTs in the 4th was absurd. Problem is for me is that other games in that series were called so badly, and not in favor of LA.

[juju151111]

Finally, the good Laker fan shows up. He knows reality and he can think for himself.

+1
yep too bad the fantasy world that people belive in where the gov,leagues, and people dont lie. Guess wat the people who runs things are called Human just like us. They lie just has much has much has we do. HUMANS LIE GET OVER IT.

[Foster5k]

finally the truth is out, this is a great day for justice.

LMAO! The truth? What truth? Oh wait. You got your so called truth from Tim Donaghy, who is only trying to expose other refs, to save his own ass. This guy has been backed into a corner by the feds, of course he will do and say anything at this point to try and cut some of his time behind bars. Is there possibility other refs could of been another Donaghy? Sure. But, the fact remains Tim Donaghy is not a reliable source of information. He has lied in the past and cannot be trusted. Not to mention there is absolute 0 evidence to back up his claims. I mean all he has is some footage of some bad calls. So what. I could go in every sport and make the same footage of bad officiating. Does that mean those refs are betting on games? No. Case closed.

[RIMMER]

LMAO! The truth? What truth? Oh wait. You got your so called truth from Tim Donaghy, who is only trying to expose other refs, to save his own ass. This guy has been backed into a corner by the feds, of course he will do and say anything at this point to try and cut some of his time behind bars. Is there possibility other refs could of been another Donaghy? Sure. But, the fact remains Tim Donaghy is not a reliable source of information. He has lied in the past and cannot be trusted. Not to mention there is absolute 0 evidence to back up his claims. I mean all he has is some footage of some bad calls. So what. I could go in every sport and make the same footage of bad officiating. Does that mean those refs are betting on games? No. Case closed.

Ignorance is bliss.

[El Seano]

Ignorance is bliss.

You sound like a 4th grader with a dictionary.

[RIMMER]

You sound like a 4th grader with a dictionary.

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/royal-fail.jpg

[aznboy2k2]

Basketball fans have been talking about this game for YEARS. That's why this is such a hot topic for discussion...because its still THAT fresh in our minds.

Every NON-LAKER fan saw that there was something terribly wrong with the Lakers vs Kings WCF that year. This allegation brings back all those feelings of being cheated by the league out of a fair series.

Laker fans are pathetic. Seriously, the source said it was game 6 and game 7 that were rigged. Yet stupid fans are talking about game 2 and 3. Who the hell cares. Those games were called fairly. The article states that the NBA officials wanted to bring it to seven games. That is why game SIX was called the way it was. Just game SIX.

God damn man. Stop with the ****ing excuses. Theres no ifs and buts, the officials made some ridiciulous calls in the forth quarter. 27 ****ing FT shots, yet there are still some Laker fans who are complaining about the other games. DEEP DOWN INSIDE, WE ALL KNOW, HOW YOU FEEL.

[aznboy2k2]

LMAO! The truth? What truth? Oh wait. You got your so called truth from Tim Donaghy, who is only trying to expose other refs, to save his own ass. This guy has been backed into a corner by the feds, of course he will do and say anything at this point to try and cut some of his time behind bars. Is there possibility other refs could of been another Donaghy? Sure. But, the fact remains Tim Donaghy is not a reliable source of information. He has lied in the past and cannot be trusted. Not to mention there is absolute 0 evidence to back up his claims. I mean all he has is some footage of some bad calls. So what. I could go in every sport and make the same footage of bad officiating. Does that mean those refs are betting on games? No. Case closed.

No one said Canseco was reliable source. Who the **** is laughing now?

[gasolina]

I went through watching tonights game looking for missed calls left and right and I wasn't enjoying it. Some consistency please!

I hope ESPN interviews Webber, Divac, Christie and Bibby on this one. Heck even Peja and Hedo. But they've probably do a JVG-esque halftime segment swallow on this one.

But JVG is right, a little more transparency would be nice. If the Rockets would've submitted that youtube video of game 5 to the league and then the league making an appropriate response to all of the points raised, then maybe the quality of reffing would increase. The league could even learn from them.

Problem is, Stern likes to rule like whatever he's done is the right way and no one has any right to dispute it.

[jmill]

Ignorance is bliss.


Here's some fun stats you probably wouldn't have guessed.

Even with the 27 FTs in the 4th quarter of game 6, the Kings still shot 20 more FTs for the series. Stop and think for a second how hard it is for that to be true if the series was rigged in favor of the Lakers.

Here's my favorite stat though, and my point here.

In Games 2 and 3 here was the FT disparity

Kings- 73 FT shots
Lakers- 40 FT shots

The Kings had 33 MORE attempts, and this is more impressive when you realize that one of these games was IN LA.

Just wow at that. I still remember how badly those games were called, and NOT in favor of LA.

I maintain what I said, I don't understand it unless earlier games were rigged in the Kings favor.

I have no problem admitting game 6 was absolute bull**** and that the kings got screwed there, but I can also be objective and realize that the whole series was called terribly both ways.

[El Seano]

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/royal-fail.jpg

****. That was my best ice burn too.

[jmill]

Wow looking back I'm getting more pissed off, 17 of those 40 FT's in those two games were from Shaq only who gets to the line so much because of the goddamn hack-a-shaq strategy.

If it weren't for that the margin would be even worse in those game. seriously wtf.

[RIMMER]

Here's some fun stats you probably wouldn't have guessed.

Even with the 27 FTs in the 4th quarter of game 6, the Kings still shot 20 more FTs for the series. Stop and think for a second how hard it is for that to be true if the series was rigged in favor of the Lakers.

Here's my favorite stat though, and my point here.

In Games 2 and 3 here was the FT disparity

Kings- 73 FT shots
Lakers- 40 FT shots

The Kings had 33 MORE attempts, and this is more impressive when you realize that one of these games was IN LA.

Just wow at that. I still remember how badly those games were called, and NOT in favor of LA.

I maintain what I said, I don't understand it unless earlier games were rigged in the Kings favor.

I have no problem admitting game 6 was absolute bull**** and that the kings got screwed there, but I can also be objective and realize that the whole series was called terribly both ways.

Listen buddy...the ONLY GAME people still talk about is GAME 6. There's a definite reason for that. There's a reason why everybody, to this day, still brings up that game in that particular series in 2002.

I dont know why you bring up stats from other games in that series, b/c quite frankly, nobody gives a rat's ass. It's IRRELEVANT. GAME 6 was rigged, and it was obvious to any NON-LAKER fan. This allegation just confirms our suspicions along all the years.

[El Seano]

Listen buddy...the ONLY GAME people still talk about is GAME 6. There's a definite reason for that. There's a reason why everybody, to this day, still brings up that game in that particular series in 2002.

I dont know why you bring up stats from other games in that series, b/c quite frankly, nobody gives a rat's ass. It's IRRELEVANT. GAME 6 was rigged, and it was obvious to any NON-LAKER fan. This allegation just confirms our suspicions along all the years.

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

OMFG ICE BURN!

[jmill]

Listen buddy...the ONLY GAME people still talk about is GAME 6. There's a definite reason for that. There's a reason why everybody, to this day, still brings up that game in that particular series in 2002.

I dont know why you bring up stats from other games in that series, b/c quite frankly, nobody gives a rat's ass. It's IRRELEVANT. GAME 6 was rigged, and it was obvious to any NON-LAKER fan. This allegation just confirms our suspicions along all the years.


Like I give a **** when the other games were called awful.

Seriously, 73-40 WITH a home game for LA and the fact that alot of those FTs only happen because of hack-a-shaq where they intentionally send us to the line.

That's just absurd.

lol, even comparing game 6 to game 3

Game 6 (rigged game)

Lakers- 40 FTs
Kings- 25 FTs

Game 3- AT LA ( no one cares because it's in the kings favor)

Lakers- 15 FTs
Kings- 35 FTs


Tilts me so bad, that's atrocious.

[The Messenger]

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

OMFG ICE BURN!

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

That's some classic **** right there. I remember the series, not perfectly, but who here has watched the games recently? Or can remember them and not just from a box score? Would probably give some life to this *****fest and turn it into a discussion.

And IMHO, there is no way in hell the NBA is rigged, in any way shape or form.

Peace

[eliteballer]

For the record...there was a bigger difference between the amount of FT's in Game 2 of the Finals this year than there was in Game 6.

[RIMMER]

Like I give a **** when the other games were called awful.

Seriously, 73-40 WITH a home game for LA and the fact that alot of those FTs only happen because of hack-a-shaq where they intentionally send us to the line.

That's just absurd.

lol, even comparing game 6 to game 3

Game 6 (rigged game)

Lakers- 40 FTs
Kings- 25 FTs

Game 3- AT LA ( no one cares because it's in the kings favor)

Lakers- 15 FTs
Kings- 35 FTs


Tilts me so bad, that's atrocious.

27 FTs in the 4th quarter.

[Styl3zT]

F David Stern and the Refs

Webber should have a goddamn title

[El Seano]

27 FTs in the 4th quarter.

http://thecraptastics.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/fail.jpg

ICE MOTHER ****ING BURN!

[YAWN]

dough christie is rolling over in his grave

[jmill]

27 FTs in the 4th quarter.

And yet the Kings still shot 20 more FTs in the series. Impressive.

Also,

WHAT HAPPENED IN GAME 7

35-15, IN LA, LOL RIGGAMENTS

[juju151111]

27 FTs in the 4th quarter.
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE??also la fans the thing is the league wanted make LA get another chance because of there market.

[Showtime]

Finally, the good Laker fan shows up. He knows reality and he can think for himself.

+1
wtf, I'm not a laker fan.

[jmill]

Seriously, I challenge anyone to find me a game where there was a bigger FT disparity in FAVOR of the road team than Game 3 of the WC finals, when the Kings shot 35 FTs to the Lakers 15. That has to be close to a record. Pathetic.

[juju151111]

And yet the Kings still shot 20 more FTs in the series. Impressive.

Also,

WHAT HAPPENED IN GAME 7

35-15, IN LA, LOL RIGGAMENTS
Maybe the kings drove it more.Wasnt kobe a chunker then??

[jmill]

Maybe the kings drove it more.Wasnt kobe a chunker then??

Kobe averaged less 3pt shots per game in the Shaq Lakers era than at any point of his career. He was the opposite of a chunker.

[ukplayer4]

a ft discrepency can happen you know, its not an unfair game just because the overall ft's attempted in certain games wernt equal, but


27 ft's in one quater- nba record.

admitence of game fixing by the officials

anyone who watched game 6 who didnt have their head up their ass will tell you that was some ****ty disgiusting game fixing in favor of the lakers, it doesnt even take evidence like this to proove it, it was blatent enough watching the game.

[jmill]

Seriously, if you're a Lakers or Kobe hater that's cool, but even trying to argue that game 3 wasn't an abortion in favor of the Kings just makes you look irrational.

I can at least be objective and say that game 6 was absurd. Trying to say that games 2 and 3 don't matter somehow though just makes someones opinion have no value to me.

35-15 for a road team just doesn't happen.

[Foster5k]

Webber should have a goddamn title

Lol! We're talking about the same guy that never won an NCAA championship, never played in the NBA Finals, never won a Most Valuable Player award? Or are you talking about another Chris Webber? :oldlol:

[RIMMER]

Lol! We're talking about the same guy that never won an NCAA championship, never played in the NBA Finals, never won a Most Valuable Player award? Or are you talking about another Chris Webber? :oldlol:

What's your point? He was the best player on the NBA's best team that year.

[jmill]

a ft discrepency can happen you know, its not an unfair game just because the overall ft's attempted in certain games wernt equal, but


27 ft's in one quater- nba record.

admitence of game fixing by the officials

anyone who watched game 6 who didnt have their head up their ass will tell you that was some ****ty disgiusting game fixing in favor of the lakers, it doesnt even take evidence like this to proove it, it was blatent enough watching the game.


Again, I remember game 3, and I said I remember it being called terribly in favor of the Kings before I checked the FT disparity.

By all means, find me some more games where the road team has had that big of a FT disparity in its favor. Especially when the series is supposed to be rigged in favor of the team getting screwed.

[jmill]

What's your point? He was the best player on the NBA's best team that year.

Too bad they choked hard game 7.

[bigkingsfan]

Retards bringing up the game 3 disparity, Kings was blowing them out in the 4th leading by 20+, LA had 101 FG attempts but only made 36 shots... a whooping 35%. They didn't lose that game because the Kings benefited with more Ft's..

[ukplayer4]

Lol! We're talking about the same guy that never won an NCAA championship, never played in the NBA Finals, never won a Most Valuable Player award? Or are you talking about another Chris Webber? :oldlol:




the precise reason we have this thread you moron is because had it not been for the game 6 fix webber would have been in the final and have a title.


lmao at any nets fans thinking it wouldnt have been a 4 game sweep for the kings. the lakers swept the nets and the kings were a better team.

[eliteballer]

In Game 6 of the 2002 Lakers-Kings series the Lakers got 15 more FTA than the Kings. In Game 3 of that series the Kings got 20 more FTA than the Lakers...in LA. In Game 2 of the Finals this year, the Celtics got 28 more FTA than the Lakers.

[Myth]

Who wants evidence? I got it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7p4mioawIA

[jmill]

Retards bringing up the game 3 disparity, Kings was blowing them out in the 4th leading by 20+, LA had 101 FG attempts but only made 36 shots... a whooping 35%. They didn't lose that game because the Kings benefited with more Ft's..


lol oh so since LA shot poorly it's okay, makes sense

In that case, since the Kings choked in game 7 the game 6 FT disparity is fine.

[jmill]

In Game 6 of the 2002 Lakers-Kings series the Lakers got 15 more FTA than the Kings. In Game 3 of that series the Kings got 20 more FTA than the Lakers...in LA. In Game 2 of the Finals this year, the Celtics got 28 more FTA than the Lakers.


THIS

[Foster5k]

NBA's best team that year.

Didn't the Lakers beat them in the finals? Anyhow, my point is that Webber doesn't deserve a ring. The guy couldn't win one in college or ever get his team to the NBA finals.

[bigkingsfan]

lol oh so since LA shot poorly it's okay, makes sense


They had 24 more FGA, they were just iced cold...

[RIMMER]

lol oh so since LA shot poorly it's okay, makes sense

In that case, since the Kings choked in game 7 the game 6 FT disparity is fine.

There would BE a Game 7 if Game 6 wasn't rigged.

[ukplayer4]

this needs reposting every few pages at least

this assult resulted in a foul being called on bibby and 2 ft's for kobe
http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg

[jmill]

There would BE a Game 7 if Game 6 wasn't rigged.

Wouldn't be a game 6 if the Kings didn't shoot 73 FTs in games 2 and 3.

So easy for me to do it too.

Unfortunately, there was a game 7 that the Kings had a chance to win. But they choked.

[eliteballer]

Kobe's moving his arm to get around Bibby, not deliberately elbowing him.

[Showtime]

Didn't the Lakers beat them in the finals? Anyhow, my point is that Webber doesn't deserve a ring. The guy couldn't win one in college or ever get his team to the NBA finals.
Webber had the injury in '03 during the playoffs, in his prime. If he wasn't injured, he'd still be a top PF in the game today. I'd say he would have had a good shot at a ring in 03-06 without the injury.

[juju151111]

http://i27.tinypic.com/2chuq9e.jpg
kobe just took him out

[jmill]

And if I was a Kings fan I would obv be pissed bec game 6 was ridiculous, but I wouldn't try to declare the team NBA champions in 02.

[RIMMER]

Wouldn't be a game 6 if the Kings didn't shoot 73 FTs in games 2 and 3.

So easy for me to do it too.

Unfortunately, there was a game 7 that the Kings had a chance to win. But they choked.

Unfortunately, you're the blindest mother****er on this forum.

[ukplayer4]

Didn't the Lakers beat them in the finals? Anyhow, my point is that Webber doesn't deserve a ring. The guy couldn't win one in college or ever get his team to the NBA finals.





dude, have you any idea whats going on? seriously lay off the drugs.

[Showtime]

Seriously, I challenge anyone to find me a game where there was a bigger FT disparity in FAVOR of the road team than Game 3 of the WC finals, when the Kings shot 35 FTs to the Lakers 15. That has to be close to a record. Pathetic.
Dude, STFU about it. Why? Because game 3 wasn't a series deciding game. Game 3 wasn't mentioned by a ref calling out a scandal. Game 3 didn't have the huge FT disparity in the 4th quarter only. Just stop, because you are making yourself look like a bigger ass.

[ukplayer4]

Kobe's moving his arm to get around Bibby, not deliberately elbowing him.




LMAO...YEAH.....THATS WHATS HAPPENING.



care to also shed some light on how its a foul on bibby?

[juju151111]

Wouldn't be a game 6 if the Kings didn't shoot 73 FTs in games 2 and 3.

So easy for me to do it too.

Unfortunately, there was a game 7 that the Kings had a chance to win. But they choked.
The lakers are the bigger market they helped them.Also lets wait for the investigation. I will gurentee noone will say it was rigged for sac to win.

[Showtime]

Retards bringing up the game 3 disparity, Kings was blowing them out in the 4th leading by 20+, LA had 101 FG attempts but only made 36 shots... a whooping 35%. They didn't lose that game because the Kings benefited with more Ft's..
SHHHH don't tell that to somebody who doesn't know wtf they are talking about and never watched the series.

[Foster5k]

if Game 6 wasn't rigged.

Lol! What proof do you have game 6 was rigged, and don't show me a clip of bad officiating. I can show you a million clips of bad officiating, in whatever sport not just NBA. Does that mean those games are rigged too?

The point is, the the only possible way to prove your case, is to have a ref come forward and say, "Hey I rigged Game 6!" If you are basing your proof off of youtube videos(lol) of bad officiating, then you have no proof.

[Showtime]

Kobe's moving his arm to get around Bibby, not deliberately elbowing him.
I don't care if he meant to or not, he hit him. Are there any non-laker fans that share the same views? Seriously, all the people trying to argue the scandal are laker fans. Shocking.

[juju151111]

Kobe's moving his arm to get around Bibby, not deliberately elbowing him.
is this a jk post??:confusedshrug:

[ukplayer4]

Lol! What proof do you have game 6 was rigged, and don't show me a clip of bad officiating. I can show you a million clips of bad officiating, in whatever sport not just NBA. Does that mean those games are rigged too?

The point is, the the only possible way to prove your case, is to have a ref come forward and say, "Hey I rigged Game 6!" If you are basing your proof off of youtube videos(lol) of bad officiating, then you have no proof.






:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


obviously you havnt seen page 1, this is why you are so lost.

[Showtime]

Lol! What proof do you have game 6 was rigged, and don't show me a clip of bad officiating. I can show you a million clips of bad officiating, in whatever sport not just NBA. Does that mean those games are rigged too?

The point is, the the only possible way to prove your case, is to have a ref come forward and say, "Hey I rigged Game 6!" If you are basing your proof off of youtube videos(lol) of bad officiating, then you have no proof.
If that was the case, then why were people talking about this series as the worst officiated series in history, and creating the fixing conspiracy when it happened, years before Tim came out with his stories? Oh, because non-laker fans used their eyes in combination with their brains.

[RIMMER]

Laker fans are the scum of the world. I know. I live here.

[juju151111]

SHHHH don't tell that to somebody who doesn't know wtf they are talking about and never watched the series.
its funny i never watched the series in depth ( Which i clearly stated), but some how i knew LA FANS.

[juju151111]

Lol! What proof do you have game 6 was rigged, and don't show me a clip of bad officiating. I can show you a million clips of bad officiating, in whatever sport not just NBA. Does that mean those games are rigged too?

The point is, the the only possible way to prove your case, is to have a ref come forward and say, "Hey I rigged Game 6!" If you are basing your proof off of youtube videos(lol) of bad officiating, then you have no proof.
ISH IS THE DUMBEST FORUM.I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE I GOING TO SLEEP

[ukplayer4]

the only way there could possibly be more proof- like any more is even needed- is if all 3 officials came forward and said, yes we rigged it. if this happened the laker fans would still refuse to accept and try to discredit the refs.

[jmill]

Dude, STFU about it. Why? Because game 3 wasn't a series deciding game. Game 3 wasn't mentioned by a ref calling out a scandal. Game 3 didn't have the huge FT disparity in the 4th quarter only. Just stop, because you are making yourself look like a bigger ass.


Sorry the Kings choked in game 7.

[jmill]

Also, I'm not arguing anything about game 6. I think game 6 was terrible. I just think anyone who tries to argue that games 2 and 3 ( NOT JUST GAME 3) don't matter are homers or Laker haters. Just because it wasn't a deciding game doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it's irrelevant.

[RIMMER]

Latest from ESPN:


Although no teams are specifically named, it is not hard to deduce the game in question. The Lakers-Kings series was the only one that postseason that went seven games, and the officiating in Game 6 was so questionable that consumer advocate and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader called for a formal investigation.

The Lakers attempted 40 free throws to the Kings' 25 in that game, and Los Angeles made 21-of-27 from the line while Sacramento converted 7-of-9 in the fourth quarter alone.

In addition, a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant, denying the Kings an opportunity to try for a tying basket. Also in that game, Kings centers Vlade Divac and Scot Pollard fouled out, and Kings coach Rick Adelman was highly critical of the officiating afterward.

"My first thought [upon hearing Donaghy's allegation] was: I knew it," Pollard said Tuesday night. "I'm not going to say there was a conspiracy. I just think something wasn't right. It was unfair. We didn't have a chance to win that game."

The Lakers went on to win the 2002 NBA championship.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401

[jmill]

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3iV4aYvopM&feature=related

[Showtime]

Sorry the Kings choked in game 7.
I'm sorry too. I'm sorry they had to even play a game seven in which they missed 14 FT's when the series should have been over in 6. I'm sorry Peja was injured, and combined with choking, still had to have ref biased to lose to LA. I'm sorry the second best team in the west represented the conference in the finals. I'm sorry there are still a lot of LA fans that are idiots.








"We've been asked to cooperate for about a year" - Stern in response to a reporter asking him how long the league has known about these most recent allegations.

It seems to me that Stern saying that he's only bringing this up with the noose tightening around his neck is false. He contradicts himself within 1 minute.

[Foster5k]

If that was the case, then why were people talking about this series as the worst officiated series in history.

People are entitled to think whatever they wish. If people, whoever you're talking about probably your little buddies, think that that game 6 was the worst officiated series in NBA history then that's their opinion.

Again, the only "facts" that you guys keep pointing to, are coming from Tim Donaghy, who is a known liar. The guy has bet and cheated on games. I think the LA fans have more brains, than anyone would would believed Tim Donaghy. Even if he is telling the truth, which in some probability could be possible, its like the boy who cried wolf. No one believes him, not to mention he has 0 proof to his allegations.

Laker fans 1. Tim Donaghy believers 0

[jmill]

Man just think, if Divac just doesn't tip the ball out there the Kings win the series. I mean that's gotta sting.

[eliteballer]

LMAO...YEAH.....THATS WHATS HAPPENING.



care to also shed some light on how its a foul on bibby?

Bibby's grabbing him by the waist.

[jmill]

I'm sorry too. I'm sorry they had to even play a game seven in which they missed 14 FT's when the series should have been over in 6. I'm sorry Peja was injured, and combined with choking, still had to have ref biased to lose to LA. I'm sorry the second best team in the west represented the conference in the finals. I'm sorry there are still a lot of LA fans that are idiots.








"We've been asked to cooperate for about a year" - Stern in response to a reporter asking him how long the league has known about these most recent allegations.

It seems to me that Stern saying that he's only bringing this up with the noose tightening around his neck is false. He contradicts himself within 1 minute.

I mean all Divac had to do was not tip it out to Horry. Love Vlade for that though, Lakers 6th man imo

[Showtime]

Also, I'm not arguing anything about game 6. I think game 6 was terrible. I just think anyone who tries to argue that games 2 and 3 ( NOT JUST GAME 3) don't matter are homers or Laker haters. Just because it wasn't a deciding game doesn't mean it didn't happen or that it's irrelevant.
Did you watch those games? Do you honestly think the FT's were the reason they lost those games?

[bigkingsfan]

Don't bother with him, he signed up in may 2008, just another bandwagonner.

[Showtime]

People are entitled to think whatever they wish. If people, whoever you're talking about probably your little buddies, think that that game 6 was the worst officiated series in NBA history then that's their opinion.

Again, the only "facts" that you guys keep pointing to, are coming from Tim Donaghy, who is a known liar. The guy has bet and cheated on games. I think the LA fans have more brains, than anyone would would believed Tim Donaghy. Even if he is telling the truth, which in some probability could be possible, its like the boy who cried wolf. No one believes him, not to mention he has 0 proof to his allegations.

Laker fans 1. Tim Donaghy believers 0
God damn, you are one dumb mo-fo. My point was that this series brought out so much criticism and debate by non-fans of the teams involved. It got huge coverage and debate. For that many people who don't have a vested interest in either team to think that something fishy happened is very telling.

I watched the series. I know what happened without having concrete proof.

If everybody needed a smoking gun, then Bonds wouldn't be facing purgery charges. Things add up, and I didn't need Tim's confessions to make this opinion, since I've had it for years now.

[jmill]

Did you watch those games? Do you honestly think the FT's were the reason they lost those games?

I think the FTs play a clear role.

Did you watch Boston/LA game 2? LA was down by 24 in the 4th, so the FT disparity never mattered right?

Wrong, the first half is when the officiating was really bad and took the Lakers out of the game early.

I'm not saying 35-15 is the only reason the Kings won that game, I realize the Lakers shot poorly, I'm saying no one is going to convince me that the series wasn't called terribly both ways. When the Lakers shoot 27 FTs in one quarter and the Kings still shoot 20 more FTs for the series I think it's pretty clear they had alot of calls go their way.

I think the 4th quarter of game 6 was pathetic, on par with game 5 of the 06 finals.

I think the Kings choked in game 7.

And I think the early games were called largely in their favor.

[jmill]

Don't bother with him, he signed up in may 2008, just another bandwagonner.


Bacon is not delicious.

[trig]

Can't really remember what happened in that series except for the horry 3 and flopping god divac.

When he said 2 playoffs were rigged, I was expecting the suns spurs series to be one of them. oh well.

[amfirst]

Divac blew it for u guys, get over it.

It was meant to be.

[jmill]

Seriously if I was a Kings fan I'm pretty sure I'd hate Vlade Divac.

I <3 Divac though:D

[Showtime]

I mean all Divac had to do was not tip it out to Horry. Love Vlade for that though, Lakers 6th man imo
lol very typical. I can't understand why LA fans don't like it when people generalize the fan base as idiotic homers with a sense of elitism and entitlement.

[Showtime]

I think the FTs play a clear role.

Did you watch Boston/LA game 2? LA was down by 24 in the 4th, so the FT disparity never mattered right?

Wrong, the first half is when the officiating was really bad and took the Lakers out of the game early.

I'm not saying 35-15 is the only reason the Kings won that game, I realize the Lakers shot poorly, I'm saying no one is going to convince me that the series wasn't called terribly both ways. When the Lakers shoot 27 FTs in one quarter and the Kings still shoot 20 more FTs for the series I think it's pretty clear they had alot of calls go their way.

I think the 4th quarter of game 6 was pathetic, on par with game 5 of the 06 finals.

I think the Kings choked in game 7.

And I think the early games were called largely in their favor.
You didn't answer my question. Did you watch the entire series?

[jmill]

lol very typical. I can't understand why LA fans don't like it when people generalize the fan base as idiotic homers with a sense of elitism and entitlement.


Since I'm a homer you'll enjoy this.

I've said all year that Boston is a little better than LA ( w/o Bynum) because of our interior D and picked them to beat LA in the finals.

I said CP3 should be MVP this year.

<--Big irrational homer.

[jmill]

You didn't answer my question. Did you watch the entire series?

Oh my bad, yes I did.

[eliteballer]

"I knew before the game I'd be out of it," Divac said. "He (O'Neal) went out (on fouls) up there (in Sacramento). It had to be the same down here."

http://www.nba.com/games/20020531/SACLAL/recap.html

[jmill]

And being the HUGE HOMER I am, I still think Boston has the edge and will win this series even after tonight.

[Showtime]

Why are people dismissing Tim's comments about the ref playing tennis with a coach? The league mandates that refs in social settings are to have no contact. If they walk into a restaurant, and a coach is there, they can't eat there. They can't stay in the same hotels. They are to aviod contact, and that's the rule. If a ref and coach are buddies and play tennis, that's a huge deal.

[Showtime]

Oh my bad, yes I did.
And how old were you in 2002?

[jmill]

And how old were you in 2002?


17

I've watched the series again since then though.

[Foster5k]

I know what happened without having concrete proof.

Lol. You know what happened without having concrete proof? Now who is the one who looks dumb? Anyone can look at a game and say, "Wow I know what happened! Those refs and the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, etc is RIGGED!" Without proof you're just another fan who's pissed your team lost.


If everybody needed a smoking gun, then Bonds wouldn't be facing purgery charges.

You're an idiot, because without concrete evidence, the feds will not be able to declare Bonds guilty of PERJURY(Not purgery retard) . So, again without proof and without evidence you have no case as I've been saying in this thread since it started.

You and the rest of these Tim Donaghy clowns are a waste of anyone's time. I'm done dealing with you guys. When you guys get some real evidence, or some confessions from the refs who supposedly rigged game 6 let me know. Until then I'm out.

[Showtime]

Lol. You know what happened without having concrete proof? Now who is the one who looks dumb? Anyone can look at a game and say, "Wow I know what happened! Those refs and the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, etc is RIGGED!" Without proof you're just another fan who's pissed your team lost.

If opinions can't have any legitimacy without concrete proof, then there goes our legal system. Circumstantial evidence can build up. I saw very questionable calls, I understand the incentive for the league to extend the series, I saw the outrage at the officiating in the entire series and the especially ridiculous game 6, and now I see a ref says the league wanted this series to go 7 games. If I want to question the refs and intentions of the league, I have that right. The problem I have is people dismissing the reasoning behind the opinion.


You're an idiot, because without concrete evidence, the feds will not be able to declare Bonds guilty of PERJURY(Not purgery retard) . So, again without proof and without evidence you have no case as I've been saying in this thread since it started.

Well if charges and convictions are impossible with circumstantial evidence and/or testimony, then you've got some protesting to do. I know I may be wrong in thinking the series was fixed, and I'm not preaching my opinion as absolute, indisputable fact, but I know there is legitimacy in the reasoning behind it.


You and the rest of these Tim Donaghy clowns are a waste of anyone's time. I'm done dealing with you guys. When you guys get some real evidence, or some confessions from the refs who supposedly rigged game 6 let me know. Until then I'm out.
The same thing was said about the stand up baseball players who ended up actually taking drugs, and proving an ass who was doubted to be correct. Liars and crooks can tell the truth.

If you don't share the feeling about the series, that's fine, but don't dismiss people who do, because there's a reason why so many people felt strongly about this series.

[Foster5k]

If opinions can't have any legitimacy without concrete proof, then there goes our legal system. Circumstantial evidence can build up.

LMAO! You call bad officiating, a so called incentive for the league to extend the series, Tim Dongaghy, and people outraged at a pro sport game's officiating circumstantial evidence? Yeah I'm glad our legal system doesn't follow your logic. You clearly do not know what circumstantial evidence is. Circumstantial evidence is not a bunch of half **** opinions about bad officiating, its not a known liar with an agenda to cut time out of his prison sentence saying a game was rigged, and it's not a crack pot theory about the NBA's desire to extend a playoff series. Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts, not opinions. So, before you start talking about things you don't know, get your facts straight.


The same thing was said about the stand up baseball players who ended up actually taking drugs, and proving an ass who was doubted to be correct. Liars and crooks can tell the truth.

Lol. Those so called Liars and crooks either confessed to taking steroids or had evidence against them of taking steroids, or is still unknown, like Bary Bonds, and Roger Clemsons(HGH). So, again get your facts straight. In this case, we have no confession, from a ref in game 6, that Tim Dongaghy said rigged the game, or is there any evidence to prove those refs rigged game 6. And, opinions are not facts(should of learned that in kindergarten), and since circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts you fail again. You and whoever else opinion about the officiating in whatever NBA game can't hold up in a court of law, maybe in your own dream world court it would, but not in the United States.

[Fallguy20]

My question, in light of recent alligations, rigged games or not, does the general public still have faith in Stern as commish? Im not a Lakers fan... Im also not a Celtics fan. I can still tell that the series will go to 7 games mostly because the bookoo $$$ and I predict that the team representing the East (despite being overfed on sub.500 teams) will win it mostly because its their "turn" to win a championship. Cmon, could the WWE write a better story line? Celtics have problems for the past couple years and then all of a sudden, WHAM! Insta-Championship caliber team... Aint it just the American Dream? And who plays the bad guys? Unfairly so, its gotta be Kobe and his team... not the Lakers, but Kobe and his team.

Honestly, before the ref shot his mouth off about the rigged games, I wonderd at times. I thought about Van Gundy and him talking about refs targeting Yao, but it didnt click until I saw him talking during half tonight... maybe he wasnt just another paranoid coach and the $100,000 fine wasnt the end and it was more of a warning shot from Stern. Maybe he was actually about to open the inevitable Pandoras Box of NBA buisness and secrets. But enough, Ill save that for the conspiracy theorists...

[Sneak]

Kobe's moving his arm to get around Bibby, not deliberately elbowing him.

ROFL. That's classic.

Let's assume for a minute though that that is really the case. It's still an offensive foul. Fouls have nothing to do with intent. Some fouls are intentional obviously, but the ones that aren't are still fouls. Going over the back of someone for a rebound is a foul. Is it intentional? No, probably not, you're trying to get the ball, it's still a foul though.


Bibby's grabbing him by the waist.

Now this is some serious homerism.

Bibby is barely making contact with Kobe until after he has been elbowed in the face and is being run over by Kobe. If you're SERIOUSLY telling me otherwise you need to take off those Kobe-tinted glasses, put down the crackpipe, get an eye test, repent of your sins and watch it again.

Is this a joke? Are we on candid (web) camera right now? Seriously? Are we being stitched up? I knew Kobe fans were incapable of rational thought but this takes the biscuit.


Lol! We're talking about the same guy that never won an NCAA championship, never played in the NBA Finals, never won a Most Valuable Player award? Or are you talking about another Chris Webber?

Did you read ANY of the thread before you started posting?

To those people discrediting Donaghy, you may be correct, but why would a man in so much trouble throw around false accusations that rather than lessening his punishment would, if anything, increase it if found to be false?

As for JVG and the Rockets, maybe he did submit it and it just hasn't been looked at yet. JVG has an unfortunate record of being at the bottom of the pile........

Also, do people not realise that game/series FT differences aren't the ONLY evidence? It's exactly the same as people should not just use players stats to evaluate their comparative ability or use box scores to find out how a game went down.

However, I am loving the use of double standards.....

[The Messenger]

LMAO...YEAH.....THATS WHATS HAPPENING.



care to also shed some light on how its a foul on bibby?

All I could suggest, since we have no idea what the ref saw (he appears to be looking at horry as he inbounds, then sees bibby 'grab' kobe to break his fall and if you look at that point it could seem like bibby dragged him down).

Now, who knows why the call wasn't made, you know what its like in sport, its usually the retaliator that gets pinned, definite bungled call, but is that favoritism/cheating or the lakers fault?

I'll have to watch the game again before I can come to a conclusion, can't really remember it. All everything is atm though is pure speculation, hopefully it will all come out in the wash. I'd be VERY surprised if the NBA was rigged...and very ****ing dissapointed.

I think you guys put too much weight into the refs hands...despite whatever calls are made, as proven by game 2 of this years finals and that game 6, the other team COULD still win if they were good enough...

[Lebron23]

Retards bringing up the game 3 disparity, Kings was blowing them out in the 4th leading by 20+, LA had 101 FG attempts but only made 36 shots... a whooping 35%. They didn't lose that game because the Kings benefited with more Ft's..



Lakers fan sonned by Bigkingsfan :lol

[niko]

I think most of you arguing don't remember the series that well, because again, in game 6, down the stretch, the kings missed a lot of shots. they still could have pulled it out.

im not arguing either way with that point, i just think the fact no one is making that point is you are all arguing based on youtube snippets, boxscores, and pretending you remember.

[jmill]

Heh, Phil Jackson's comment about the game 5 blown call that allowed the Kings to win the game was pretty funny. Shocked no one wants to mention that.

[Styl3zT]

I think most of you arguing don't remember the series that well, because again, in game 6, down the stretch, the kings missed a lot of shots. they still could have pulled it out.

im not arguing either way with that point, i just think the fact no one is making that point is you are all arguing based on youtube snippets, boxscores, and pretending you remember.

I will remember that series for life. But I agree with you that many people here post things just based off of youtube clips, boxscores etc..
even due to some of the missed shots down the stretch there was also some critical very questionable calles toward the end in favor of the lakers also...game rigged

[Diesel J]

And if I was a Kings fan I would obv be pissed bec game 6 was ridiculous, but I wouldn't try to declare the team NBA champions in 02.

KIngs in 2002 were better than the Lakers and should've won in 6 games.I'll never forget that series:banghead: :(

[Emile]

Heh, Phil Jackson's comment about the game 5 blown call that allowed the Kings to win the game was pretty funny. Shocked no one wants to mention that.

Well, it's because most are assuming that only game 6 got fixed but see, what Donaghy said is that the league tried to push the series in 7 games. So if what he says is true, then perhaps more than one game got fixed.
If I remember, Lakers tied it at 2:2 after Horry's game winner. So yeah, had they won game 5, it's likely they'd end it in 6, in Staples. So yeah, who knows..perhaps both games got fixed. Who knows.

I think the fundamental problem here is that we're drawing conclusions from what Donaghy said on our own so we're assuming the conspiracy favored the Lakers, hence game 6 but he never said that. He said the league planned to push the series to 7 games. The rest, is what we're assuming.

So if there is a conspiracy, it can mean both games got fixed. Kings shot a lot more FT's in game 5. Lakers shot more in game 6.
Perhaps it was fixed, if you choose to believe Donaghy but when you think about it, it doesn't mean the championship was stolen from the Kings. Perhaps both teams benefited and got damaged from the calls.

[EricForman]

even before this hit, game 6 was widely considered to be the most one-sided officiating ever. Every time a sports writer write about bad officiating or one-sided officiating, they bring up game 6 as an example.

[EricForman]

Seriously, I challenge anyone to find me a game where there was a bigger FT disparity in FAVOR of the road team than Game 3 of the WC finals, when the Kings shot 35 FTs to the Lakers 15. That has to be close to a record. Pathetic.


Watch the game before you speak.


game 3 was a blowout for the Kings from top to bottom. The Kings were on fire and ran the Lakers off the court. They were leading by like 20 after first quarter already and were hitting every shot.

Most of the free throws probably came later when the Kings continued to attack and LA played bench players anyways.

[jmill]

Watch the game before you speak.


game 3 was a blowout for the Kings from top to bottom. The Kings were on fire and ran the Lakers off the court. They were leading by like 20 after first quarter already and were hitting every shot.

Most of the free throws probably came later when the Kings continued to attack and LA played bench players anyways.


[x] I have watched the game
[ ] Lakers benched their starters anyways

Here's game 3 in the 4th quarter just for you though.

Are Kobe and Shaq on the bench? Maybe you should watch the game before you speak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMmmxG4Nkpo&feature=related)

Good job convienently ignoring game 2, game 5 where they blew the call in favor of the Kings and my comments where I already said I'm aware the Lakers shot poorly in game 3.

[jmill]

Wow looking back at some of the stats are amazing.

I really believe they rigged more than just that 4th quarter of that game in order to make it go 7.

Look at game 5. Shaq had 28 pts on 14/18 shooting and shot ONE FT. They fouled him out in 32 minutes. Then at the end of the game they completely blew a call in favor of the kings which allowed them to win the game.

Look at that game for Shaq. He was completely dominating the Kings, ends up fouling out and only going to the line once, which I can only assume is a career low.

Then the very next game he goes to the line 17 times.

Amazing

[iggy>]

:oldlol: All the loser fans are getting excited because now they feel like their team won the championship, I do recall the officials being completely fair in game 7 of that series, which ended up in LA win.

Plus who's the source? The idiot that got fired by the NBA?
Big shocker there, probably trying to tarnish the league because he got caught.
but donaghy did fix games with his one sided calls, who's to say other refs didnt do the exact same thing?

[TheProphet]

Wow looking back at some of the stats are amazing.

I really believe they rigged more than just that 4th quarter of that game in order to make it go 7.

Look at game 5. Shaq had 28 pts on 14/18 shooting and shot ONE FT. They fouled him out in 32 minutes. Then at the end of the game they completely blew a call in favor of the kings which allowed them to win the game.

Look at that game for Shaq. He was completely dominating the Kings, ends up fouling out and only going to the line once, which I can only assume is a career low.

Then the very next game he goes to the line 17 times.

Amazing

Almost like this final series.

[Showtime]

LMAO! You call bad officiating, a so called incentive for the league to extend the series, Tim Dongaghy, and people outraged at a pro sport game's officiating circumstantial evidence? Yeah I'm glad our legal system doesn't follow your logic. You clearly do not know what circumstantial evidence is. Circumstantial evidence is not a bunch of half **** opinions about bad officiating, its not a known liar with an agenda to cut time out of his prison sentence saying a game was rigged, and it's not a crack pot theory about the NBA's desire to extend a playoff series. Circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts, not opinions. So, before you start talking about things you don't know, get your facts straight.

Circumstantial evidence:

"proof of facts offered as evidence from which other facts are to be inferred"

Fact: officiating was horrible. Not just biased, but that series is widely considered to be the worst reffed series in playoff history.

Fact: from a financial standpoint, the league had much more to gain from a 7 game series than a 5 or 6 game series.

Fact: people who had no interest in either teams were shocked and outraged at the officiating. Why would unbiased people, for the most part, share the same feelings if it were nothing?

Fact: Tim was an NBA ref who helped fix games and was involved with gambling. If one ref in the employ of the league can be corrupt, why are the rest boyscouts? Isn't it possible that other refs are human and just as fallible, and could not be putting the sanctity of the game first? The vast majority of people don't hold to their ideals in every situation that applies, so why should refs be any different?

Also, people are saying he could be lying to shorten his sentence. Why would he lie to the feds when that risk could actually put himself in a worse position?

Stern also said, when asked about the most recent allegations, that the league knew about these allegations for over a year, and the feds investigated but nothing came of it. But then he followed that up by refuting Tim's statements by saying his lawyer is just now releasing these documents, and that he hasn't read them. Which is it? Did the league know about the fixed games in '02 and '05 a year ago, or just now? Make up your mind Stern.

Fact: The league is very private in their dealings with officials, and the public doesn't know the inner workings of how the league operates. They claim there's a merit system for officials, yet no information is released to the public. In this shroud of secrecy, it would be very easy for refs to influence a game in the league's best interest without public knowledge or a paper trail. Why do we always see the same refs call the conference finals and finals?

All these facts, by themselves, don't mean much. But when added up, it paints a very suspicious picture, and my point is that the suspicion isn't unfounded. If you think suspicion is unfounded, then that's fine, but don't act like those that do are idiots. These facts cast suspicion and doubt on the series, and could be used by some to infer that the series was fixed to go to 7 games, thus circumstantial evidence. I'm not talking about getting a conviction in court, I'm saying it's enough for one person to draw an opinion on the matter without disregarding reason.



Lol. Those so called Liars and crooks either confessed to taking steroids or had evidence against them of taking steroids, or is still unknown, like Bary Bonds, and Roger Clemsons(HGH). So, again get your facts straight.

You totally missed the point in the reference. I'm talking about perception of people and how that effects people's opinion on the validity and legitimacy of statements. BEFORE the players confessed, they were thought of as standup guys and Jose was thought of as a roid user who is out of the league trying to sell his book for money. The perception of Jose lead many to think he wasn't telling the truth. When a guy like Palmero comes to congress, and adamently denies using steriods, people believed him. Only later did he admit the truth. My point is that just because Tim is a liar and criminal doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true.


In this case, we have no confession, from a ref in game 6, that Tim Dongaghy said rigged the game, or is there any evidence to prove those refs rigged game 6.

Tim was more intimately involved with the other refs and inner workings of the league than any other person here, so why would it be impossible for him to know that information? Just because he didn't ref game 6 doesn't mean he couldn't know what went on, and it doesn't mean his testimony is meaningless, especially considering his other admonitions of his other actions.


And, opinions are not facts(should of learned that in kindergarten), and since circumstantial evidence is a collection of facts you fail again.

I didn't base my opinion on other opinions, I based them upon facts which you can read once again at the top of the post.


You and whoever else opinion about the officiating in whatever NBA game can't hold up in a court of law, maybe in your own dream world court it would, but not in the United States.

I never said it would lead to some sort of court case. This entire time I was talking about the reasoning behind my opinion, and maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

[qrich]

Bibby's grabbing him by the waist.

Before or after Kobe elbowed him in the face with the official looking directly at it? Intentional or not, that is clearly an offensive foul, but you're one of the posters that always has his purple/gold glasses on 24/7.

[eliteballer]

Bibby grabbed him either before or at the same time, look at the video closely. Kobe's elbow was incidental contact, but Bibby's grab was intentionally blatant. Hell look at this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H_i3Vnd0n44

Shaq's post up at :48 Divac is CLEARLY holding his left arm and Kobe slash at :40 Pollard CLEARLY fouls him.

[ChrisKreager]

Maybe if the Kings didn't bloiw that huge lead in Game 4 and allow Robert Horry to do what he does best (make clutch shots)...

[RandomBalla55]

Maybe if the Kings didn't bloiw that huge lead in Game 4 and allow Robert Horry to do what he does best (make clutch shots)...

Maybe if they didn't count Walker's "buzzer-beating" 3 in game 4, which was blatantly late, the Kings would've won.

We can play the maybe game too if you'd like.

[Lakers Fan]

Game 5 was CLEARLY rigged in the Kings favor so it all evens out doesn't it?

[falc39]

Maybe if the Kings didn't bloiw that huge lead in Game 4 and allow Robert Horry to do what he does best (make clutch shots)...

Irrelevant point

unless... are you saying because of that, rigging of game 6 was ok?

[ChrisKreager]

Irrelevant point

unless... are you saying because of that, rigging of game 6 was ok?

No.

I'm saying if that doesn't happen and the Kings win that game, there never would have been a game 6...

[falc39]

No.

I'm saying if that doesn't happen and the Kings win that game, there never would have been a game 6...

so you are saying that it's the kings fault for letting game 6 to happen in the first place? lol

lets just make that big leap of faith and say its the kings fault for rigging game 6 :roll:

[DTD]

"The allegation was that they were extending the series?'' said Lakers coach Phil Jackson, answering questions about Donaghy less than two hours before the biggest night of his season. "Was that after the fifth game, after we had the game stolen away from us after a bad call out of bounds and gave the ball back to Sacramento and they made a three-point shot? There's a lot of things going on in these games and they're suspicious, but I don't want to throw it back to there.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/06/10/game3.column/

[vert48]

so you are saying that it's the kings fault for letting game 6 to happen in the first place? lol

lets just make that big leap of faith and say its the kings fault for rigging game 6 :roll:Both game 3 and 5 were heavily slanted in the King's favor by the refs. Based on that, I would say that the league was trying to keep the Kings in the series, and rigged those games for the Kings. Then, they ended up giving game 6 back to the Lakers in order to force a game 7.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

Then, they ended up giving game 6 back to the Lakers in order to force a game 7.


Why are you being so naive? Are you acting this way cause it invol the Lakers?

You said they gave game 6 to LA to force game 7. That means the NBA tamper with the series. If the refs cheated for the Queens in those other games but gave LA game 6. It means they cheated.

Game 7 brings ratings..Means $$$$...NBA is rigged...

I am the biggest Lakers's homer out there. But you have to question the NBA. Also, I am not saying the QUEENS were a better team than the LAKERS. If the refs called it correct, LA would have win the series in 6.

[DTD]

Both game 3 and 5 were heavily slanted in the King's favor by the refs. Based on that, I would say that the league was trying to keep the Kings in the series, and rigged those games for the Kings. Then, they ended up giving game 6 back to the Lakers in order to force a game 7.

I agree with that 100%. Game 7 was officiated very fair, and it came down to Sacramento (mainly Peja, and Christie if I recall correctly) choking at the FT line BIG TIME. Peja also was airballing WIDE OPEN three's late in that game.

Regardless the NBA has rigged games IMO, whether it be by blatant home-court advantage (as we saw in game 2 vs. the celtics this past weekend), or possibly something more dubious. Hopefully all this dirty laundry being aired will clean it up for good.

[falc39]

I agree with that 100%. Game 7 was officiated very fair, and it came down to Sacramento (mainly Peja, and Christie if I recall correctly) choking at the FT line BIG TIME. Peja also was airballing WIDE OPEN three's late in that game.

Again, individual players may have played bad, but does that justify what happened in game 6?

[vert48]

Why are you being so naive? Are you acting this way cause it invol the Lakers?

You said they gave game 6 to LA to force game 7. That means the NBA tamper with the series. If the refs cheated for the Queens in those other games but gave LA game 6. It means they cheated.

Game 7 brings ratings..Means $$$$...NBA is rigged...

I am the biggest Lakers's homer out there. But you have to question the NBA. Also, I am not saying the QUEENS were a better team than the LAKERS. If the refs called it correct, LA would have win the series in 6.I am questioning the NBA. I do think the league has a hand in things. Otherwise, the Mavs are up 3-0 going into game 4 in 1996, the Lakers would have been up 3-1 going into game 5 (if not for game 3), and the series would have ended 4-1 after game 5, but the league would have missed out on 2 games worth of revenue, so they extended the series. I think the league thought the Lakers would handle things on their own in game 6, and then when they could not do it, they intervened so that there would be a game 7, and because they had just screwed the Lakers out of the series if they don't get to game 7.

[vert48]

Again, individual players may have played bad, but does that justify what happened in game 6?It does if games 3 and 5 were rigged for the Kings.

[DTD]

Again, individual players may have played bad, but does that justify what happened in game 6?


I think the calls late in the 4th of that game were very questionable, just as I did at the end of Game 5 and all of Game 3. None of it is justifiable, but as a fan of the game you try to take at least something out of the series that will give you solace that the better team won (in this case a fair game 7, after 3 dubious games in the series).

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

I am questioning the NBA. I do think the league has a hand in things. Otherwise, the Mavs are up 3-0 going into game 4 in 1996, the Lakers would have been up 3-1 going into game 5 (if not for game 3), and the series would have ended 4-1 after game 5, but the league would have missed out on 2 games worth of revenue, so they extended the series. I think the league thought the Lakers would handle things on their own in game 6, and then when they could not do it, they intervened so that there would be a game 7, and because they had just screwed the Lakers out of the series if they don't get to game 7.


Ah, my bad brother. I agree with everything you said.

[falc39]

I think the calls late in the 4th of that game were very questionable, just as I did at the end of Game 5 and all of Game 3. None of it is justifiable, but as a fan of the game you try to take at least something out of the series that will give you solace that the better team won (in this case a fair game 7, after 3 dubious games in the series).

yea, that's the thing, it's really hard to figure out who's the better team. You have the lakers, with kobe and shaq, while making miraculous clutch shots (Horry). Then you had the Kings, who people say have been outplaying the lakers for pretty much the whole series (multiple blowout leads, perfect team play). I personally knew laker fans who told me they were scared of the kings that year- they were that good. So to forget everything that happened before game 7 just seems wrong. It's too bad one of the best series will now have the tainted label forever

[aj242]

yea, that's the thing, it's really hard to figure out who's the better team. You have the lakers, with kobe and shaq, while making miraculous clutch shots (Horry). Then you had the Kings, who people say have been outplaying the lakers for pretty much the whole series (multiple blowout leads, perfect team play). I personally knew laker fans who told me they were scared of the kings that year- they were that good. So to forget everything that happened before game 7 just seems wrong. It's too bad one of the best series will now have the tainted label forever

Tainted because Donaghy said so? I don't think so! He probably bet Sacramento!

[vert48]

yea, that's the thing, it's really hard to figure out who's the better team. You have the lakers, with kobe and shaq, while making miraculous clutch shots (Horry). Then you had the Kings, who people say have been outplaying the lakers for pretty much the whole series (multiple blowout leads, perfect team play). I personally knew laker fans who told me they were scared of the kings that year- they were that good. So to forget everything that happened before game 7 just seems wrong. It's too bad one of the best series will now have the tainted label foreverBased on what I saw, Lakers would have won that series in either 5 or 6 games if the refs had not intervened in games 3 and 5. The Kings were a great team that year, but people that are saying the Lakers ring should go to the Kings because of game 6 obviously did not see games 3 and 5. Without rigging games 3 and 5, there would not have even been a game 6 to rig.

[Indian guy]

I am questioning the NBA. I do think the league has a hand in things. Otherwise, the Mavs are up 3-0 going into game 4 in 1996, the Lakers would have been up 3-1 going into game 5 (if not for game 3), and the series would have ended 4-1 after game 5, but the league would have missed out on 2 games worth of revenue, so they extended the series. I think the league thought the Lakers would handle things on their own in game 6, and then when they could not do it, they intervened so that there would be a game 7, and because they had just screwed the Lakers out of the series if they don't get to game 7.

:oldlol:

Are you for real? In game threads it seems to be your motto to pick on something the refs are "missing" and beat it to dead. Be it LeBron's traveling or KG's moving screens. It's almost like a back-up if something goes right or wrong. "Sure, <insert team you're rooting for> got a call to go their way at the end, but the other team was getting away with <some BS thing you picked on> all game". Terrific fall-back excuse if things don't go the way you want them to. Except nobody's buying your crap.

The moment it's confirmed that officials screwed Sacramento in Game 6(to nobody's surprise), you spring up with your usual BS about how Game 3 and 5 were blown by the refs all along :oldlol:. Except unlike Game 6, you have nothing to back up your statement. There's no talk of Game 3 or 5 being fixed. Nobody outside of whiny LA fans have ever talked about those games being suspiscious in any way. You're a biased LA fan who I can't ever recall being objective on this board. By your logic if a team enjoys a big edge from the FT line, that game was blown by the refs, eh? :oldlol:. I'd love to hear your conspiracy theories regarding the LA/Utah series this postseason then, where LA enjoyed a ridiculous advantage from the FT line. But knowing you, I'll bet you'll come up with something Utah was getting away with all series.

[bigkingsfan]

Go find the outcry from any media on the Lakers in any game... there's none... when you have journalist from USA TODAY, David Dupree, can say: " I've been covering the NBA for 30 years, and it's the poorest officiating in a important game I've ever seen," when Wiborn writes that " The Kings and Lakers didn't decide this series would be extended until Sunday, three referees did...."

And stop bringing up the moronic game 3, Kings built a lead of 17 at the end of the first, when the FT was equal for both teams at 4, and they held lead of over 20 in the 4th, and won at 13.

[aznboy2k2]

It does if games 3 and 5 were rigged for the Kings.

The 2 games in question are game 6 and game 7.
No where on the ****ing article does it mention games 1-4.

So, ****ing Laker fans need to stop bringing up **** that doesn't matter.

[Showtime]

Bibby grabbed him either before or at the same time, look at the video closely. Kobe's elbow was incidental contact, but Bibby's grab was intentionally blatant. Hell look at this video:
Why did Bibby grab Kobe and pull him down? Because he was falling down. Why was he falling? Because he got elbowed in the face. Bibby had his hand on Kobe's hip, but there was no grabbing until he started to fall. The offensive player initiated contact with this elbow, and also grabbed Bibby on the side in order to create space. That's an offensive foul with the elbow.

[AAP Remix]

The top three most heavily rigged playoffs in sports history:

-2000 NBA playoffs
-2001 NBA playoffs
-2002 NBA playoffs

Watch all the series carefully in these years. It makes any other conspriacy theories in the NBA today look completely foolish.

[DTD]

The top three most heavily rigged playoffs in sports history:

-2000 NBA playoffs
-2001 NBA playoffs
-2002 NBA playoffs

Watch all the series carefully in these years. It makes any other conspriacy theories in the NBA today look compltely foolish.

:oldlol:

[vert48]

The 2 games in question are game 6 and game 7.
No where on the ****ing article does it mention games 1-4.

So, ****ing Laker fans need to stop bringing up **** that doesn't matter.The idea was to rig the series to go 7 games, not rig game 6 and 7. To rig the series to go 7, the refs needed to keep the Kings in the series through the first 5 games.

[Jasper]

2002 Sac Laker Game 6 4th qtr -

Didn't the Lakers shoot in that Qtr alone 24-27 free throws ?

Some kind of record I'd say . :rolleyes:

[vert48]

2002 Sac Laker Game 6 4th qtr -

Didn't the Lakers shoot in that Qtr alone 24-27 free throws ?

Some kind of record I'd say . :rolleyes:And even with that, the Lakers shot only 2 more free throws than Boston did in game 2 of the current finals.

[DTD]

I'm waiting for Ralph Nader to call for a congressional investigation.
I mean, he got all hot and bothered when the Kings had a -15 FT
differential in Game 6 of the 2002 WCF (notwithstanding the fact that 8
of those FTs were shot as result of the Kings fouling and trying to
stop the clock). So you'd think that with a -28 FT differential in Game 2 this year Ralph would be all over the place campaigning against the inequity, and at the same time living up to his legacy of Consumer Advocate. He's probably counseling Tim and his lawyers at this very moment.

****ing Ralph Nader is one of the reasons we have G.W.B.

[Sneak]

Bibby grabbed him either before or at the same time, look at the video closely. Kobe's elbow was incidental contact, but Bibby's grab was intentionally blatant. Hell look at this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=H_i3Vnd0n44

Shaq's post up at :48 Divac is CLEARLY holding his left arm and Kobe slash at :40 Pollard CLEARLY fouls him.

I've watched the video from both angles. It's an offensive foul, Bibby had blood pouring out of his face.

Incidental or not, it's an offensive foul. No one intentionally commits offensive fouls.

Funny how the commentary on the video you posted goes so far as to say it was a flagrant foul on Kobe. Good sourcing of evidence there to back up your stance.

[baseketball4life]

Rasheed Wallace was right? It is like the WWF or WCW or w/e

[kobesabi]

Anyone, besides delusional Lakers fans, could tell that the LAL vs SAC Western Conference Finals series of 2002 was rigged. Now we have the official proof with Donaghy's testimonial.



http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8231176?MSNHPHMA

Now, somebody post some YouTube videos. Complete and utter BULLSH*T championship by LA.
If you really believe this crap from this criminal, then let me ask you this, did 8 championships in a row by Boston Celtics was rigged?