View Full Version : Jordan and Lebron's TOTAL record vs Finals teams (reference purposes)
3ba11
08-15-2023, 12:37 PM
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1986........... 0-3
1987........... 0-3
1988 .......... 1-4
1989........... 2-4
1990........... 3-4
TOTAL........ 6-18
Add Finals record..... 24-11
MJ's total record vs Finals teams..... 30-29 (0.508)
2007.......... 0-4
2008.......... 3-4
2009.......... 2-4
2010.......... 2-4
2021.......... 2-4
2023.......... 0-4
TOTAL....... 9-24
Add Finals record....... 22-33
Bron's total record vs Finals teams..... 31-57 (.352)
* 2 of Jordan's losses to Finals teams were with high seeds, compared to 10 for Lebron.
* Jordan never lost with a 1 or 2 seed, while Lebron lost 5+ times with a 1 or 2 seed, which is similar to most all-timers that had numerous 1 or 2 seeded teams in their career.
1987_Lakers
08-15-2023, 12:47 PM
Now lets compare the competition they went up against.
'86 Celtics - Top 5 team of all time. Got swept
'87 Celtics - Solid Finals team dealing with some injuries, got swept
'88-'90 Pistons - Probably a top 15 team of all time. Went 6-12.
'91 Lakers - HIV Magic & injured Worthy
'92 Blazers - Low IQ team
'93 Suns - Explosive offense with questionable defense
'96 Sonics - Needed 6 games to beat them despite winning 72 games
'97 & '98 Jazz - High IQ team, but not alot of depth. Malone & Stockton were in their 30's.
Thread Cliffs. MJ padded his Finals record against weaker Finals teams.
3ba11
08-15-2023, 01:05 PM
Now lets compare the competition they went up against.
'86 Celtics - Top 5 team of all time. Got swept
'87 Celtics - Solid Finals team dealing with some injuries, got swept
'88-'90 Pistons - Probably a top 15 team of all time. Went 6-12.
'91 Lakers - HIV Magic & injured Worthy
'92 Blazers - Low IQ team
'93 Suns - Explosive offense with questionable defense
'96 Sonics - Needed 6 games to beat them despite winning 72 games
'97 & '98 Jazz - High IQ team, but not alot of depth. Malone & Stockton were in their 30's.
Thread Cliffs. MJ padded his Finals record against weaker Finals teams.
Okay now lets examine the Finals teams that Lebron faced:
2009 Magic - one of the biggest underdogs to ever win a playoff series
2014 Spurs - 37-year old Duncan had the same age excuses that Lebron had this year
2021 Suns - big, bad, scary Booker
2011 Mavs - Jason Terry
2012 OKC - baby Westbrick and woat brand of ball
2015 Warriors - 1ST-TIMERS DON'T WIN FINALS
2020 Heat - Disney joke and 1-star injured team
2007 Spurs - saved by Tony Parker as Cleveland lost leads in every 4th quarter except Game 1 (leads or ties)
2017 Warriors - Cavs had 3 franchise players vs 2 for Warriors
Of course, the only reason that Lebron got all these chances is because he put 3 franchise guys on 1 team (super-team), otherwise he was a 1-trick pony like Iverson, Dwight, Kidd or Booker
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