Phil Jackson says the politics in the bubble put him off the nba.

[Kblaze8855]

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Come fight about an 80 year old from Montana/North Dakota giving exactly the take you’d expect from that demographic. I’m sure he realizes he isn’t who the nba(or most athletic endeavors) caters to since he’s expected to be dead soon and I take no offense. I’m also sure some of you would like to argue about it….so you do that. I’m gonna find some ramen and hopefully not make it too spicy like I did last time. 2 spicy bombs is right. 3 is an adventure.

[highwhey]

ramen is nasty.


anyways, he's right. i don't want to see lgbtqueer ads being shoved in my face or how your c-19 restrictions are among the best out of all proffessional sports. no one actually cares about your pandering to democrats, not even democrats. it's cringe. just play basketball and leave that sh1t aside. the only political talk i will entertain is how every citizen should be aware that ATF and FBI should be abolished based on their direct actions that burned 80 adults women and children alive and went about their lives like they didn't just commit genocide.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The funny thing is that Jackson is fairly liberal. I agree with the point that they are turning off part of the country with the focus on political issues but the tensions with Floyd and Trump had the players riled up so the owners made a business decision to get the players to fully participate in the bubble. NBA is still making a ton of money so the negative impact isn't felt in a way that we can easily quantify (you can track raitings but that may not fully account for streams and the TV contract money is astronomical). So the NBA is going to stay woke.

[tpols]

Don't have to be an 80 year old redneck. We're all sick of how we've been treated by rich people and their puppet governments

[imdaman99]

I'm fine with social justice but the NBA def overdid it. I dunno how political it still is, that's just him being an old fart who doesn't want to stay up late. Doubt the NBA cares about that demographic as already been stated.

[ArbitraryWater]

having "black lives matter" printed on the floor is absolutely absurd

[Kblaze8855]

The funny thing is that Jackson is fairly liberal. I agree with the point that they are turning off part of the country with the focus on political issues but the tensions with Floyd and Trump had the players riled up so the owners made a business decision to get the players to fully participate in the bubble. NBA is still making a ton of money so the negative impact isn't felt in a way that we can easily quantify (you can track raitings but that may not fully account for streams and the TV contract money is astronomical). So the NBA is going to stay woke.



Yea the nba is doing better than ever at the only thing they care about. Anyone thinking the nba cares more about ratings than revenue and team value is insane. And inflation definitely doesn’t account for the nba going from 2.5 billion in total to 10 billion and rising just in the ish era. There are 13 players in the league with contracts larger than the Nets were sold for…in 2010. Not 1995. 2010.

The nba needs exactly nothing from the Phil demographic and apparently little from the “Go woke go broke” crowd who claim they abandoned the league years ago. The owners have all double and tripled up and the players making all that noise will be making 300+ million on deals soon. Everyone’s fine.

Far as Waco….you can’t really kill 5 feds and expect a happy ending for your compound. Whole thing was a cluster**** but that…just isn’t likely to end well.

[FultzNationRISE]

I remember when I visited a buddy in Brentwood once he told me that all the little boutique tennis shops and fancy juice bars etc were all owned by the wives of wealthy guys, bc the women wanted to “do business stuff too” with their time, so their rich husbands just bought them little stores to manage.

In a way it reminds me of the NBA. Do players know anything about business or politics? Most dont. But their value as amplifiers to certain communities is super important to those who do. So players get way more leeway than people at other jobs to rant and ramble about political things they dont understand.

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t think they do. You should step into a few southern break rooms at random jobs if you think political rantings are only allowed by athletes. In fact I’ve never heard an athlete openly say half the things I’ve heard from people in person in workplaces. They certainly have a bigger megaphone but the conversations going on in workplaces all over America would get most athletes in trouble.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don’t think they do. You should step into a few southern break rooms at random jobs if you think political rantings are only allowed by athletes. In fact I’ve never heard an athlete openly say half the things I’ve heard from people in person in workplaces. They certainly have a bigger megaphone but the conversations going on in workplaces all over America would get most athletes in trouble.


Im talking about what is said publicly.

If youre a well paid professional, youre almost certainly not allowed to “tweet” the kinds of politically charged things a Jaylen Brown or Kyrie Irving can without losing your job.

[Overdrive]

I'm left as left can be. The american mainstream political spectrum wouldn't represent the policies I support, but he's right.

If I watch sports I want to watch sports. I'm not interested in any form of political agitation if I watch a game of basketball. Even if I share the views. What good does it do? You put some message for George Floyd on your court? Fine, but what if I don't want to think about George Floyd when I watch Nuggets vs Lakers?

If I want to think about that I'll open a newspaper. There's enough room for politics there. I actively avoid anything that in itself is apolitical, but for some reason wants to push an agenda.

[Kblaze8855]

Tell me something Jaylen Brown tweeted you don’t think say…a millionaire lawyer in Arkansas can’t say. Give me an example. Feels like you keep up with them more than I do.

[FultzNationRISE]

Tell me something Jaylen Brown tweeted you don’t think say…a millionaire lawyer in Arkansas can’t say. Give me an example. Feels like you keep up with them more than I do.

First of all a millionaire lawyer is probably his own boss and not vulnerable to being fired for violating company policy.

Second of all, if he tweeted support for some organization that pushed holocaust denial and was linked to synagogue shootings (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jaylen-brown-clarifies-tweet-on-black-hebrew-israelites-outside-barclays-center-for-kyrie-irvings-return/) he’d probably draw the ire of the partners at his firm.

[FultzNationRISE]

Anyway I honestly dont care or worry about this stuff at this point. It’s well beyond my control, and part of it is just the way the world works. Nobody’s gonna get everything to be just the way they want it in life. People who own the NBA have their reasons for what they do, and people who support it have their reasons and people who are annoyed by it have their reasons.

I cant change any of that, just gotta focus on living the life I wanna live. The NBA can do whatever it wants and Ill watch if I feel like it and I wont if I dont.

[highwhey]

chris in every thread since the start of his ISH career:

makes statement.

gets corrected, flaws in logic are pointed out.

backtracks, pivots to a tangent

cues joke

exits

[Kblaze8855]

So we aren’t talking about millionaires because they’re too rich or normal people because they aren’t public enough I guess? So who we talking about? Is it the hundred thousandaires being silenced? Well paid replaceables? Most of America is talking shit on the regular.

[WhiteKyrie]

Because Phil Jackson is an intellectual, and isn’t a moron. Anybody with a brain saw the racist, SJW, Libtard pandering.

[FultzNationRISE]

So we aren’t talking about millionaires because they’re too rich or normal people because they aren’t public enough I guess? So who we talking about? Is it the hundred thousandaires being silenced? Well paid replaceables? Most of America is talking shit on the regular.


Yeah, pretty much. Most people who are employed by a company cant jump on a public platform and be politically divisive. NBA players for the most part are afforded that luxury in exchange for advancing the interests of the owner.

No big deal. Just the way it is.

[FultzNationRISE]

Wasnt it Carmelo who said “The NBA is the feds”?

People who cooperate with the feds get special privileges and immunities others dont.

It’s nothing I can stop or control, so I dont find it worth wringing my hands over.

[Kblaze8855]

Yeah, pretty much. Most people who are employed by a company cant jump on a public platform and be politically divisive. NBA players for the most part are afforded that luxury in exchange for advancing the interests of the owner.

No big deal. Just the way it is.


So the tens of millions of politically divisive people on the internet don’t have jobs or what?

Im legit wondering who you think is doing all the nonsense that makes up social media.

Its like when people ranting about conservatives being silenced online don’t realize they’re currently being conservative and not being silenced.

Both sides are loud as **** online and they tend to have employment far as I can tell.

[FultzNationRISE]

So the tens of millions of politically divisive people on the internet don’t have jobs or what?

Im legit wondering who you think is doing all the nonsense that makes up social media.

Its like when people ranting about conservatives being silenced online don’t realize they’re currently being conservative and not being silenced.

Both sides are loud as **** online and they tend to have employment far as I can tell.

I dont check the Twitter myself but my impression is most people posting divisively on there post anonymously. Hence the concept of “doxing.” They usually dont have a company logo and a jersey number etc in their profile bc most people would be subject to discipline or termination if they did.

[Kblaze8855]

People all over Facebook in much greater number than Twitter happily posting the same shit on their own names with pictures and friends, family, and co workers seeing every bit of it. The number of people who can’t say “controversial” things on the internet just isn’t that great. For every story you could find of someone fired there are 40,000 who aren’t.

[Full Court]

I agree with the GOAT coach here. Leave politics to people who care about politics. Keep sports as sports.

And everything about the bubble was disgraceful. A stain in NBA history.

[FultzNationRISE]

People all over Facebook in much greater number than Twitter happily posting the same shit on their own names with pictures and friends, family, and co workers seeing every bit of it. The number of people who can’t say “controversial” things on the internet just isn’t that great. For every story you could find of someone fired there are 40,000 who aren’t.

Yeah, I guess thats true - as long as theyre on the same side of the controversy as their employer.

But hey, so be it.

[warriorfan]

ramen is nasty.


anyways, he's right. i don't want to see lgbtqueer ads being shoved in my face or how your c-19 restrictions are among the best out of all proffessional sports. no one actually cares about your pandering to democrats, not even democrats. it's cringe. just play basketball and leave that sh1t aside. the only political talk i will entertain is how every citizen should be aware that ATF and FBI should be abolished based on their direct actions that burned 80 adults women and children alive and went about their lives like they didn't just commit genocide.

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[Charlie Sheen]

If it wasn't politics, it would have been something else.. Zenmaster was having a difficult time accepting the game passed him by.

[Da_Realist]

Because Phil Jackson is an intellectual, and isn’t a moron. Anybody with a brain saw the racist, SJW, Libtard pandering.

Agreed

[Kblaze8855]

Yeah, I guess thats true - as long as theyre on the same side of the controversy as their employer.

But hey, so be it.

You don’t have to be on the same side as your employer….

The idea of an all seeing and vengeful cancel culture is a straight up myth. 200 million people probably openly disagree with their corporate masters and talk about it on the internet to no result. If people lost their jobs regularly for “controversial” talk we would have 70% unemployment.

Most weird internet and personal commentary is just an internal “Damn Larry is crazy….” and continuing to eat lunch. Old dudes have been making Obama monkey jokes, complaining about honoring MLK, and hating on Jews to no result and they will continue.

A million people backed Kanye online on their real names. There is a tremendous amount of unpunished hate speech and there always has been. I’ve known 5 percenters who have been preaching shit Kyrie would get banned for all my life. They do it on their names on Facebook with normal jobs with no problem. I know white people heavy into trump forever posting memes that would get a white nba player suspended. Nobody cares.

If anything….famous athletes face more scrutiny and get more punishment.

Nothing Kyrie has posted would even get the notice of an employer who wasn’t as visible as the nba with thousands of fans to make them respond to it.

The fame doesn’t protect them from scrutiny. It’s the entire cause of it.

[warriorfan]

You don’t have to be on the same side as your employer….

The idea of an all seeing and vengeful cancel culture is a straight up myth. 200 million people probably openly disagree with their corporate masters and talk about it on the internet to no result. If people lost their jobs regularly for “controversial” talk we would have 70% unemployment.

Most weird internet and personal commentary is just an internal “Damn Larry is crazy….” and continuing to eat lunch. Old dudes have been making Obama monkey jokes, complaining about honoring MLK, and hating on Jews to no result and they will continue.

A million people backed Kanye online on their real names. There is a tremendous amount of unpunished hate speech and there always has been. I’ve known 5 percenters who have been preaching shit Kyrie would get banned for all my life. They do it on their names on Facebook with normal jobs with no problem. I know white people heavy into trump forever posting memes that would get a white nba player suspended. Nobody cares.

If anything….famous athletes face more scrutiny and get more punishment.

Nothing Kyrie has posted would even get the notice of an employer who wasn’t as visible as the nba with thousands of fans to make them respond to it.

The fame doesn’t protect them from scrutiny. It’s the entire cause of it.

i didn’t read all that but cancel culture certainly is not a myth, lol

[kawhileonard2]

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Come fight about an 80 year old from Montana/North Dakota giving exactly the take you’d expect from that demographic. I’m sure he realizes he isn’t who the nba(or most athletic endeavors) caters to since he’s expected to be dead soon and I take no offense. I’m also sure some of you would like to argue about it….so you do that. I’m gonna find some ramen and hopefully not make it too spicy like I did last time. 2 spicy bombs is right. 3 is an adventure.

Agreed! Last true legit year was 2019.

[Kblaze8855]

i didn’t read all that but cancel culture certainly is not a myth, lol

The things people claim get everyone canceled happen by the millions with nobody caring. My reply was to a claim nba players get to skate on such things because of their powerful positions….when in fact being who they are is the only reason they get in trouble. There are millions of Kyries, Kanye’s, and so ons. Nobody cares. Their status doesn’t insulate them. Their status puts a spotlight on them. Poor people are posting the same comments by the millions under their own names online and nobody gives a damn.

“Regular” people are free to talk shit much more so than anyone in the nba. Which is why I took issue with this:



So players get way more leeway than people at other jobs to rant and ramble about political things they dont understand.


People in every company talk shit in person and online about politics.

We just don’t care.

[Xiao Yao You]

Phil Jackson: But at some point, you know, the Europeans kind of exploited it. And people bought into the fact that two three-point shots is six points, it takes three of those baskets to make six points. It’s a difference. That makes sense. So that’s the way it started. (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/phil-jackson/id1671669052?i=1000607497626) And then it continued, and it was good, it was a good deal. But what happened that bothers the basketball people to enjoy the game is the rest of the game kind of fell apart. So guys walk and travel and don’t know how to pivot they can’t dribble the ball correctly and all these things that you see also it happened in baseball and it happened in football. You know, they lowered the mound in baseball back in the 60s because guys were not hitting 300. So they dropped the mound.

– via Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/phil-jackson/id1671669052?i=1000607497626)



but they're so much more skilled than the plumbers! :lol

[bison]

Phil has always been based and uncucked.

[90sgoat]

having "black lives matter" printed on the floor is absolutely absurd

The Biden campaign was essentially a coup.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Biden campaign was essentially a coup.

whatever it was we're in a lot better place with him than the POS that preceded him

[Da_Realist]

whatever it was we're in a lot better place with him than the POS that preceded him

Serious?

[Xiao Yao You]

Serious?

yeah. Hard to imagine anything worse than Trump but I thought that with Reagan and the Bush family too :cry:

[paksat]

yeah. Hard to imagine anything worse than Trump but I thought that with Reagan and the Bush family too :cry:

bruh this guy has the nerve to say this sh*t while gas prices are going back up to a $4 a gallon average for regular, food prices continue to be at sky high levels, crime is rampant with mass shootings, mass beatings, mass thievery, an actual war going on that is being supplied by us ( otherwise it would have been over long ago ), that dork in north korea back to being bat sh*t insane with his nuclear missile tests and re-tests every day, rent continues to be $1.5k for a 1 bed room apartment, loans and mortgages do I even need to begin?...

I could make 5 paragraphs of this ^ sh*t right here and this guy says hard to imagine anything worse lmao this guy right here :rolleyes:

[Axe]

bruh this guy has the nerve to say this sh*t while gas prices are going back up to a $4 a gallon average for regular, food prices continue to be at sky high levels, crime is rampant with mass shootings, mass beatings, mass thievery, an actual war going on that is being supplied by us ( otherwise it would have been over long ago ), that dork in north korea back to being bat sh*t insane with his nuclear missile tests and re-tests every day, rent continues to be $1.5k for a 1 bed room apartment, loans and mortgages do I even need to begin?...

I could make 5 paragraphs of this ^ sh*t right here and this guy says hard to imagine anything worse lmao this guy right here :rolleyes:
Hey, you totally forgot to bring the prices of this up.

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:kobe:

[Da_Realist]

bruh this guy has the nerve to say this sh*t while gas prices are going back up to a $4 a gallon average for regular, food prices continue to be at sky high levels, crime is rampant with mass shootings, mass beatings, mass thievery, an actual war going on that is being supplied by us ( otherwise it would have been over long ago ), that dork in north korea back to being bat sh*t insane with his nuclear missile tests and re-tests every day, rent continues to be $1.5k for a 1 bed room apartment, loans and mortgages do I even need to begin?...

I could make 5 paragraphs of this ^ sh*t right here and this guy says hard to imagine anything worse lmao this guy right here :rolleyes:

I was thinking the same thing. But if anyone can believe it is better now the hate is too strong to convince them otherwise.

[JohnnySic]

He ain't wrong. Politics has no place in sports, or any other business for that matter.

[Kblaze8855]

Political decisions/issues determine the viability of too many sectors of business to have no place in them. Sports on the lower end of that spectrum obviously but big business inevitably runs into politics. There’s a reason lobbyists exist.

[FKAri]

He ain't wrong. Politics has no place in sports, or any other business for that matter.

It's always been a part of sports though. I have no problem with a guy using his platform to make a stand. Be it Kaepernick or that Magic(?) player who caught heat for not kneeling. Be it misinformed or ignorant as long as it's authentic. But when the NBA did it, it didn't come off authentic to me and instead came off as corporate virtue signalling.

[JohnnySic]

It's always been a part of sports though. I have no problem with a guy using his platform to make a stand. Be it Kaepernick or that Magic(?) player who caught heat for not kneeling. Be it misinformed or ignorant as long as it's authentic. But when the NBA did it, it didn't come off authentic to me and instead came off as corporate virtue signalling.

I wasn't really talking about what individual players do, but when the league say encourages people to get out and vote, they can at least be fair and impartial about it rather than favoring one side, and they certainly do favor one side.

[MrFonzworth]

Hey, you totally forgot to bring the prices of this up.

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:kobe:

:lol

[SATAN]

The usual dumb ****s ranting about politics on a basketball forum.

Everyone else are sheep according to these brainwashed idiots. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

I wasn't really talking about what individual players do, but when the league say encourages people to get out and vote, they can at least be fair and impartial about it rather than favoring one side, and they certainly do favor one side.


Why would people show equal support when one side is obviously against them? Athletes support someone by kneeling and the various protests and the president calls them sons of
bitches and wonders why they aren’t fired. The right indisputably had a bigger issue with all the causes the players chose to back. And the league made up of these players and athletes like them should pretend not to have a preference? Do the politicians pretend not to have one?

Everyone in the sport got richer and team values are through the roof. We still pretending they alienated anyone the business required?

[hateraid]

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Come fight about an 80 year old from Montana/North Dakota giving exactly the take you’d expect from that demographic. I’m sure he realizes he isn’t who the nba(or most athletic endeavors) caters to since he’s expected to be dead soon and I take no offense. I’m also sure some of you would like to argue about it….so you do that. I’m gonna find some ramen and hopefully not make it too spicy like I did last time. 2 spicy bombs is right. 3 is an adventure.

Are you gonna wssh that ramen down with a bud light?

[sdot_thadon]

Perhaps I'm in the minority but I didn't have a problem with any of it. I was impressed by the support given to my people during a rough point. I'm not sure many understood the gravity of things at that exact moment in time. Shit could have went really ugly in a blink because so many people were upset at once.

[Norcaliblunt]

He probably had no problem with all the pro military / support the war crap that was going down in his era.

Jackson has always been a closet racist though. Pippen even implied it.

Dude actually has a 3 strike record for this stuff.

1. His “posse” comments about Lebron.

2. Questioning why Phoenix was wearing the “Los Suns” jerseys in protest to the controversial police profiling going on in AZ.

3. Now these comments.

Pretty funny.