Current Luka vs Prime Lebron offensively

[iamgine]

Who's better?

Luka: 33pts 8.6 Rbd 8.6 Ast

Lebron: 30pts 7.9 Rbd 7.6 Ast

[SATAN]

I don't think Luka's numbers would be as good in a more defensive orientated era.

[Phoenix]

Not sure which year(s) you're referencing for Lebron, but not much point comparing numbers; the league is as different in 2022 as it was in 2007( when Lebron was Luka's age) as it was in 1992. Better to compare their respective skillsets and it's pretty clear where each is better than the other. Luka is a craftier ballhanlder, better shooter( though not a great shooter himself), better footwork, more skilled in the post. Lebron is a better slasher, better in transition and more overpowering at the basket as an above the rim finisher. Luka is basically missing the entire aerial/athletic aspect of Lebron's game and has to rely more on guile.

[Session]

Luka is surpasing LeBron year by year. His rookie year was better than LeBron rookie year. Luka is a generational talent and better skilled than ever LeBron. LeBron has more work ethic and a privileged physique.

I think that prime Luka is going to be much more dominant and much shorter because of he doesn't seem to have taken the super soldier formula.

[3ba11]

Luka is surpasing LeBron year by year. His rookie year was better than LeBron rookie year. Luka is a generational talent and better skilled than ever LeBron. LeBron has more work ethic and a privileged physique.

I think that prime Luka is going to be much more dominant and much shorter because of he doesn't seem to have taken the super soldier formula.

Yes, Luka could be the GOAT of ball-dominators - this makes him an amazing ballplayer.

The problem is that there are superior skillsets than ball-domination.

For example, expert jumpshooters let the ball move, so they have sufficient brand of ball to win with less supporting talent, i.e. secondary producers at sidekick like Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry, Terry or Pau... Otoh, the weaker brand of ball-dominators requires all-time scoring help like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie..

As you can see, that's a pretty big gap in supporting talent needed for ball-dominators compared to expert jumpshooters

[Lebron23]

Luka is surpasing LeBron year by year. His rookie year was better than LeBron rookie year. Luka is a generational talent and better skilled than ever LeBron. LeBron has more work ethic and a privileged physique.

I think that prime Luka is going to be much more dominant and much shorter because of he doesn't seem to have taken the super soldier formula.

Some kid who was born in 2007 is going to be better than Luka

[90sgoat]

Luka is better offensively now than Lebron has ever been imo.

Maybe Lebron has had a slightly higher peak in terms of max scoring potential, takeover potential, but consistently then Luka is better.

Luka still has a lot of things to get better in, which is what's crazy.

[WhiteKyrie]

Luka is smarter, more skilled, more coordinated (footwork especially) and crafty.

LeBron was and is more athletic. That’s it.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Luka is smarter, more skilled, more coordinated (footwork especially) and crafty.

LeBron was and is more athletic. That’s it.

Literally none of that is true. God awful take per usual, coach.

If you're comparing Luka to Jordan though? Yep, he's smarter, craftier, more skilled etc.

[BigShotBob]

I don't think Luka's numbers would be as good in a more defensive orientated era.

That's the elephant in the room about him. His stats look good in a stat inflated era though

[999Guy]

On a night to night basis, this version of Luka that is legitimately a big man presence with his halfcourt game at times as a post-up guy is probably better than LeBron was at the same MVP winning age. Purely offensively of course.

Defensively LeBron was all-world at this age and Luka is just average. Sometimes tapping into a good rhythm on help D and isolation and he can dominate defensively for stretches, but that can be said for any defender that isn’t terrible or bad.

However, there are small differences that make big gaps in what I think fans would prefer.

Luka just starts his games off like a tornado cruising through teams. Literally having a good NBA game for the standard of an average player within the first 6 to 12 minutes. Borderline triple doubles, 20+ pt quarters, but he tapers off and gets worse as the game goes on.

I don’t think this matters too much. Being dominant in the first quarter is mostly just as valuable as dominant in the fourth.


However, LeBron, would ease into things. In his athletic peak he would stampede down the lane early, throw in some brilliance and talent as far as fast break play and passing in between, and by the fourth quarter defenses would be softened up to the point where they would sag off and his mediocre jumper would actually get enough space and rhythm to be good or decent off the dribble in the 4th quarter. Then the drives would go so explosive and violent, past even how strong they were in the first half or so he would get to the line with ease.

Not to mention the defensive intensity and focus to go along with alien level of athleticism.

24 year old LeBron was statistically and visually the best 4th quarter player of the 21st century up until that point.


This created a pattern of not just dominance, but teams that really tended to overachieve on pure W/L like the 09 and 10 Cavs.

So really in terms of pure skill and talent, Luka, has more ways to do the same thing LeBron does. However LeBron is offensively a blunt object compared to Luka skill wise at this age.

But LeBron had just completely figured out winning basketball in a way Luka hasn’t touched yet at all. Dominance? Sure. But dominance with a lot of talent comes with the territory.

Complete game control start to finish across matchups and schemes? That’s some other shit. Another category of greatness. LeBron captured that 24.

[FultzNationRISE]

The biggest difference is Lebron scored a lot of easy baskets, where Luka far more often has to labor for his. You can appreciate and admire the skill of Luka’s game, but usually ‘better’ implies which would you rather have to help you win.

Lebron’s offense is just much more fluid and reliable, and accomplishes the same thing, even if it’s not as dazzling.

[90sgoat]

The biggest difference is Lebron scored a lot of easy baskets

Lebron's only true elite all time skill was his fast break ability. In that he was as good as anyone who ever played the game.

Besides that, when he played for Cavs, he definitely didn't get a lot of easy buckets. He had atrocious shooting stats.

With Miami and later Cavs, he had 2 all stars and an MVP level player to give him spacing to play one on one.

[WhiteKyrie]

Literally none of that is true. God awful take per usual, coach.

If you're comparing Luka to Jordan though? Yep, he's smarter, craftier, more skilled etc.
Triggered because of facts. Typical LeTard Stan.

I’m not building caricatures of either of them as players, LeBron is very skilled.

But Luka is just that much more skilled and even coordinated. And yes more intelligent as a player. Just look what he’s doing backing down all the guards and forwards now, when post play has all but disappeared, he’s taking advantages of the weaknesses in defenses that hasn’t been exploited during this entire copy and paste fast break and no defense playing and three-point shooting era. It’s smart. And he’s every bit as good as a passer as Bron too.

LeBron has yet to be able to do that consistently throughout his career and he’s the physically bigger, stronger and more athletic player.

And yes Luka’s more crafty and more skilled. He’s more coordinated. His foot work is crisp. He has shown McHale like post work ability in his short career already, that LeBron has yet to master or even try.

You’ve got dumbo LeBron in his 20th season still trying to pound the ball at the top of the key like he’s still a lightning fast point guard. He never evolved his game. He did it for a very brief stretch in Miami in 2012 and 2013. And then quickly abandoned it in 2014 and definitely when he got back to Cleveland. Now, LeBron is obviously insanely athletic and more athletic even now at 37 years old in his 20th season then prime Luka.

Everybody slobbers LeBron’s dick for getting to the finals at 22 years old in his fourth season, when he faced in reality, a really bombed out and depleted Eastern conference, that wasn’t an amazing conference to begin with.

Cool Hand Luka did some thing last year arguably just as impressive, without having a true all star by his side, took the Dallas Mavericks, who nobody had getting as far as they did into the Western Conference finals, in a much superior talented league then 2007, in a much more difficult western conference than the 2007 Leastern Conference.

Luka averaged 32/10/6 for the playoffs.

And they’re basically the same age, against the eventual champions, unlike 2007 LeBron against the spurs, was able to steal a game against the eventual champions. And averaged 32/9/6 on 42% and was clearly the best player in the series. Where as LeBron had a putrid series putting up 22/7/7 on 36%.

Luka is already the Mavs best all time player, in his fourth or fifth season. Surpassing Dirk, a legend in his own right, and is an all time great already. He’s filthy.

[Jud]

Luka more skilled. Lebron could score more easy in prime because of athleticness

[Full Court]

The only things Lebron has on Luka is athleticism and the ability to stack super teams.

[3ba11]

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[red1]

The only things Lebron has on Luka is athleticism and the ability to stack super teams.

you said athleticism and only thing :oldlol:



athleticism is a lot.

[ball]

Luka imho. He has great bball IQ. Lebron was stronger and more athletic. But usually, using brains gives more advantages over power.

[hold this L]

Triggered because of facts. Typical LeTard Stan.

I’m not building caricatures of either of them as players, LeBron is very skilled.

But Luka is just that much more skilled and even coordinated. And yes more intelligent as a player. Just look what he’s doing backing down all the guards and forwards now, when post play has all but disappeared, he’s taking advantages of the weaknesses in defenses that hasn’t been exploited during this entire copy and paste fast break and no defense playing and three-point shooting era. It’s smart. And he’s every bit as good as a passer as Bron too.

LeBron has yet to be able to do that consistently throughout his career and he’s the physically bigger, stronger and more athletic player.

And yes Luka’s more crafty and more skilled. He’s more coordinated. His foot work is crisp. He has shown McHale like post work ability in his short career already, that LeBron has yet to master or even try.

You’ve got dumbo LeBron in his 20th season still trying to pound the ball at the top of the key like he’s still a lightning fast point guard. He never evolved his game. He did it for a very brief stretch in Miami in 2012 and 2013. And then quickly abandoned it in 2014 and definitely when he got back to Cleveland. Now, LeBron is obviously insanely athletic and more athletic even now at 37 years old in his 20th season then prime Luka.

Everybody slobbers LeBron’s dick for getting to the finals at 22 years old in his fourth season, when he faced in reality, a really bombed out and depleted Eastern conference, that wasn’t an amazing conference to begin with.

Cool Hand Luka did some thing last year arguably just as impressive, without having a true all star by his side, took the Dallas Mavericks, who nobody had getting as far as they did into the Western Conference finals, in a much superior talented league then 2007, in a much more difficult western conference than the 2007 Leastern Conference.

Luka averaged 32/10/6 for the playoffs.

And they’re basically the same age, against the eventual champions, unlike 2007 LeBron against the spurs, was able to steal a game against the eventual champions. And averaged 32/9/6 on 42% and was clearly the best player in the series. Where as LeBron had a putrid series putting up 22/7/7 on 36%.

Luka is already the Mavs best all time player, in his fourth or fifth season. Surpassing Dirk, a legend in his own right, and is an all time great already. He’s filthy.
Luka is not already better than Dirk, unless you want to argue he's already a top 20 all time player. Probably one of the dumbest things I've heard on here. God damn, that's a stupid statement. :facepalm

And no, he was not the best player in the series. :facepalm But unfortunately all your dumbass looks at is box score numbers. Luka is the biggest ballhog in NBA history and has one of the ugliest games we've ever seen. All he did all series was go through 10 switches every possession while continuing his path of being a legendary level ball hog. It the ugliest, most repetitive type of basketball I've seen anyone play vs the Warriors throughout their entire decade run dominance. Harden did the same thing vs the Warriors averaging more P/R/A vs Curry, yet lost every single time. All on crazy high usg%. His numbers looked pretty though. Mavs never looked like they ever had a chance and got easily disposed of in the series, same as Lebron back then. And you can't compare Luka and Lebron at the same age, Luka was playing professional basketball when he was 16 years old. He's not like other stars that move to the league years later in North America. When he joined the NBA, the guy already had a resume.

I don't understand why people want Bron to do post plays when he's the goat at driving. That's like putting down Shaq because he wasn't taking mid range Js or MJ because he didn't take enough 3s. Luka may be more skilled and a better shooter than Lebron throughout most of his career, but that doesn't make him overall better offensively. When he has a 12, 13, 18 level offensive run in the playoffs like Lebron, than we can take him as being as good as Bron is offensively. Until then, he's just a fat white James Harden with a clutch gene unlike that mental midget.

[Ghost1]

Luka is not already better than Dirk, unless you want to argue he's already a top 20 all time player. Probably one of the dumbest things I've heard on here. God damn, that's a stupid statement. :facepalm

And no, he was not the best player in the series. :facepalm But unfortunately all your dumbass looks at is box score numbers. Luka is the biggest ballhog in NBA history and has one of the ugliest games we've ever seen. All he did all series was go through 10 switches every possession while continuing his path of being a legendary level ball hog. It the ugliest, most repetitive type of basketball I've seen anyone play vs the Warriors throughout their entire decade run dominance. Harden did the same thing vs the Warriors averaging more P/R/A vs Curry, yet lost every single time. All on crazy high usg%. His numbers looked pretty though. Mavs never looked like they ever had a chance and got easily disposed of in the series, same as Lebron back then. And you can't compare Luka and Lebron at the same age, Luka was playing professional basketball when he was 16 years old. He's not like other stars that move to the league years later in North America. When he joined the NBA, the guy already had a resume.

I don't understand why people want Bron to do post plays when he's the goat at driving. That's like putting down Shaq because he wasn't taking mid range Js or MJ because he didn't take enough 3s. Luka may be more skilled and a better shooter than Lebron throughout most of his career, but that doesn't make him overall better offensively. When he has a 12, 13, 18 level offensive run in the playoffs like Lebron, than we can take him as being as good as Bron is offensively. Until then, he's just a fat white James Harden with a clutch gene unlike that mental midget.

https://youtu.be/Hrv8ML0G_3k?t=355 :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

Luka is not already better than Dirk, unless you want to argue he's already a top 20 all time player. Probably one of the dumbest things I've heard on here. God damn, that's a stupid statement. :facepalm

And no, he was not the best player in the series. :facepalm But unfortunately all your dumbass looks at is box score numbers. Luka is the biggest ballhog in NBA history and has one of the ugliest games we've ever seen. All he did all series was go through 10 switches every possession while continuing his path of being a legendary level ball hog. It the ugliest, most repetitive type of basketball I've seen anyone play vs the Warriors throughout their entire decade run dominance. Harden did the same thing vs the Warriors averaging more P/R/A vs Curry, yet lost every single time. All on crazy high usg%. His numbers looked pretty though. Mavs never looked like they ever had a chance and got easily disposed of in the series, same as Lebron back then. And you can't compare Luka and Lebron at the same age, Luka was playing professional basketball when he was 16 years old. He's not like other stars that move to the league years later in North America. When he joined the NBA, the guy already had a resume.

I don't understand why people want Bron to do post plays when he's the goat at driving. That's like putting down Shaq because he wasn't taking mid range Js or MJ because he didn't take enough 3s. Luka may be more skilled and a better shooter than Lebron throughout most of his career, but that doesn't make him overall better offensively. When he has a 12, 13, 18 level offensive run in the playoffs like Lebron, than we can take him as being as good as Bron is offensively. Until then, he's just a fat white James Harden with a clutch gene unlike that mental midget.

Great posts

[Spurs m8]

This isn't going well for a fanbase that loves stats.

Luka also has the clutch gene, something that was always glaringly missing from LeFringeTop10

[Lebron23]

This isn't going well for a fanbase that loves stats.

Luka also has the clutch gene, something that was always glaringly missing from LeFringeTop10


Luka is still ring less. And he will be ring less unless he improves his defense, and makes his teammates better. He is the white James Harden

[Lebron23]

Unreal!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_L_O--bYUs

[dankok8]

Luka is still ring less. And he will be ring less unless he gets better teammates. He is the white James Harden

Fixed.

[nayte]

So reading Reddit they consider that Luka is the better passer then LeBron and has higher IQ
What say you inside hoops.

[nineiron]

Who's better?

Luka: 33pts 8.6 Rbd 8.6 Ast

Lebron: 30pts 7.9 Rbd 7.6 Ast

Luka