Saying MJ would average 40-50 ppg today is BS

[Ne 1]

With all the factors in his favor in the 1986/87 season, he averaged 37.1. Pace was in his favor, ppg was in his favor, fg% and fouls were also in his favor. Scoring was up, no defense was being played, and whistles were blowing and he never touched 40 ppg. And please don’t mention hand checking. Pre-hand checking stats (‘80s to 2003) were higher than post-hand checking stats (2003 and beyond).

The 1986/87 season had the highest pace (100.80) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

The 1986/87 season had the highest field goal percentage (48%) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

1986/87 season had the 6th highest ppg (109.9) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

1986/87 season had the most personal fouls (24.5) and free throws (30.5) per game in the last 36 seasons including this season.

MJ mythologists debunked!

[Ne 1]

“Oh but scoring is higher this year so he’d average more!”

That’s not how it works. Scoring is higher per possession because of 3’s made, not increased pace or other factors. Pace, free throws, and fg % is down. 3’s are the great equalizer which contributes to higher scoring output. Jordan was a horrendous 3 point shooter and only benefited from it when the line was shortened.

So these “extra points” only applies to guys who can shoot threes. His production would be the same if not marginally worse due to his 3 point shooting liability.

[Lebron23]

“Oh but scoring is higher this year so he’d average more!”

That’s not how it works. Scoring is higher per possession because of 3’s made, not increased pace or other factors. Pace, free throws, and fg % is down. 3’s are the great equalizer which contributes to higher scoring output. Jordan was a horrendous 3 point shooter and only benefited from it when the line was shortened.

So these “extra points” only applies to guys who can shoot threes. His production would be the same if not marginally worse due to his 3 point shooting liability.


Great posts

[Full Court]

OP still in damage control mode. :lol

Jordan is still consensus GOAT.

Lebron is still fringe top ten and a net negative.

OP is a Bronie fluffer.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I am sick and tired of people saying that Dave DeBusshere would average 80. Stop saying it.

[FKAri]

He wouldn't. But that's because he would absorb enough defensive pressure to allow his teammates to get easier buckets. He wouldn't need to avg 40-50.

You're right that he would need to incorporate the 3 into his game more just like everyone else does. I don't understand these hypothetical anyways because are we time traveling him in or is he coming up in this era? Most anybody time traveling in would need an adjustment period.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He wouldn't. But that's because he would absorb enough defensive pressure to allow his teammates to get easier buckets. He wouldn't need to avg 40-50.

You're right that he would need to incorporate the 3 into his game more just like everyone else does. I don't understand these hypothetical anyways because are we time traveling him in or is he coming up in this era? Most anybody time traveling in would need an adjustment period.

Jordan's fragile ego couldn't handle the social media era

So he likely doesn't make the league as he faces far greater competition and a much more difficult climate for athletes.

Born in this era hed be taking orders In a McDonals drive thru in Charlotte. I'm sure he'd average a lot of orders per hour.

[tontoz]

MJ was the only guy averaging over 30 that year. He was 8 points ahead of the guy in 2nd place.

[3ba11]

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League-Wide Field Goal Percentage on 2-pointers

2022....... 54.1%
1987....... 49.0%


Spacing makes 2-pointers easier

So Jordan's game would thrive just like Luka, SGA and Giannis (bad 3-point shooters)

In addition to easier 2-point scoring, Jordan would be having a lot of shrug games with today's wide open kickouts and higher 3-point volumes - Jordan always shot well on threes whenever he had volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

[AlternativeAcc.]

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League-Wide Field Goal Percentage on 2-pointers

2022....... 54.1%
1987....... 49.0%


Spacing makes 2-pointers easier

So Jordan's game would thrive just like Luka, SGA and Giannis (bad 3-point shooters)

In addition to easier 2-point scoring, Jordan would be having a lot of shrug games with today's wide open kickouts and higher 3-point volumes - Jordan always shot well on threes whenever he had volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

Sounds like a huge talent difference

Guys back then sucked and couldn't shoot, making it easier to stand out and 'dominate'

Talent and skill is what creates the spacing in the first place.

[3ba11]

Sounds like a huge talent difference

Guys back then sucked and couldn't shoot, making it easier to stand out and 'dominate'

Talent and skill is what creates the spacing in the first place.


Previous eras had lower efficiency due to different offensive strategy that resulted in a tougher defensive setup/format, aka no spacing.

They didn't space the floor back then, so scoring was harder - the lower field goal percentage on 2-pointers simply shows how crowded the 2-point areas were, while today's 2-point areas are wide open.

Players in the 80's and 90's were experts at converting 2-pointers ON DEFENDERS because the lack of spacing required it - so everyone had to develop their own unique way of converting on defenders, such as Kareem's skyhook or the unique styles of Magic, Bird, McAdoo, Gervin, etc.. Accordingly, previous eras were far better at 2-pointers than today's era - they had the same advantage on 2-pointers that today's game has on 3-pointers..

[AlternativeAcc.]

Previous eras had lower efficiency due to different offensive strategy that resulted in a tougher defensive setup/format, aka no spacing.

They didn't space the floor back then, so scoring was harder - the lower field goal percentage on 2-pointers simply shows how crowded the 2-point areas were, while today's 2-point areas are wide open.

Players in the 80's and 90's were experts at converting 2-pointers ON DEFENDERS because the lack of spacing required it - so everyone had to develop their own unique way of converting on defenders, such as Kareem's skyhook or the unique styles of Magic, Bird, McAdoo, Gervin, etc.. Accordingly, previous eras were far better at 2-pointers than today's era - they had the same advantage on 2-pointers that today's game has on 3-pointers..
They were far worse at 2's and 3's because they sucked and lacked the skills today's players have.

You posted the numbers, not me

They sucked. Defenses sucked too.


You fell in love with a primitive form of the game. Brute stiffs who were somehow smaller and weaker than today's players.

Garbage.

[3ba11]

They were far worse at 2's and 3's because they sucked and lacked the skills today's players have.

You posted the numbers, not me

They sucked. Defenses sucked too.


You fell in love with a primitive form of the game. Brute stiffs who were somehow smaller and weaker than today's players.

Garbage.


Today's players are better at threes because teams choose to shoot them, and they're better with a live dribble because they're allowed to carry and travel

the NBA also mandates no defense, aka no impeding and contact-less perimeter defense (no hand-check)

that's why today's defenses allow 5 more points per 100 possessions (league-wide ORtg) than 1987 when Jordan averaged 37... So if Jordan played today, most of those 5 points would go directly to him, and keep in mind that 5 is the AVERAGE - good teams will be higher than this and might average 10 more points per 100 possessions - again, most of this goes to MJ (if he was on that team)

[StrongLurk]

No one is averaging 40ppg for a whole season in this era because no one is going to shoot enough AND play enough minutes.

Harden got close but that's because no one else can spam high-volume threes and insanely high free throw rates like he can.

[3ba11]

No one is averaging 40ppg for a whole season in this era because no one is going to shoot enough AND play enough minutes.

Harden got close but that's because no one else can spam high-volume threes and insanely high free throw rates like he can.


Luka and SGA are getting 33-34 without threes and they're nowhere near Jordan.

So Jordan could get 40 without threes or with threes... Whenever he shot above 1.5 attempts, he shot well on threes, while Luka is shooting like garbage at 7 attempts with high turnovers..

[Spurs m8]

Could no be truer

Disputing this is just idiocy and another bron stan meltdown

[Round Mound]

:facepalm

[tontoz]

For his career MJ shot 83.5% from the foul line. Last season only 46 players beat that.

If today's players are so much more skilled why aren't more guys beating that? There are over 400 players in the NBA.

[StrongLurk]

Luka and SGA are getting 33-34 without threes and they're nowhere near Jordan.

So Jordan could get 40 without threes or with threes... Whenever he shot above 1.5 attempts, he shot well on threes, while Luka is shooting like garbage at 7 attempts with high turnovers..

No one is averaging 40ppg for a whole season in this era because no one is going to shoot enough AND play enough minutes.

Harden got close but that's because no one else can spam high-volume threes and insanely high free throw rates like he can.

[3ba11]

No one is averaging 40ppg for a whole season in this era because no one is going to shoot enough AND play enough minutes.

Harden got close but that's because no one else can spam high-volume threes and insanely high free throw rates like he can.


It's ludicrous to say that MJ couldn't get up enough shots

Probably one of the more absurd things anyone can say

[SATAN]

I wouldn't respect someone jacking up that many shots tbh. Who the hell wants to play beside someone like that?

[SATAN]

For his career MJ shot 83.5% from the foul line. Last season only 46 players beat that.

If today's players are so much more skilled why aren't more guys beating that? There are over 400 players in the NBA.

:facepalm

[Phoenix]

Most of the all-time great scorers could likely score more than their averages depending on the make-up of the team. KD has like 3-4 30ppg seasons but if he was on a team where he could just shotjack carte blanche, he could easily drop 35ppg every year if he wanted.

[3ba11]

I wouldn't respect someone jacking up that many shots tbh. Who the hell wants to play beside someone like that?


Despite a slow-paced series, Jordan averaged 40 ppg in the 93' Finals with great efficiency and low turnovers

This was to 3-peat

So everyone already liked playing with that

[3ba11]

Most of the all-time great scorers could likely score more than their averages depending on the make-up of the team. KD has like 3-4 30ppg seasons but if he was on a team where he could just shotjack carte blanche, he could easily drop 35ppg every year if he wanted.


In 1987, Jordan took 27 two-pointers per game at 49.1% = 13.3 makes per game (26.6 pts)

But if Jordan shot 60% on 2-pointers like Luka in today's spaced-out beginner format, he would have 16 makes for 32 pts .. so shooting at today's higher 2-point efficiencies would easily get Jordan to 40+ ppg

Case closed

Btw, league-wide efficiency on 2's is 54% compared to 49% in 1987, aka spacing and open paint effect

[Phoenix]

In 1987, Jordan took 27 two-pointers per game at 49.1% = 13.3 makes per game (26.6 pts)

But if Jordan shot 60% on 2-pointers like Luka in today's spaced-out beginner format, he would have 16 makes for 32 pts .. so shooting at today's higher 2-point efficiencies would easily get Jordan to 40+ ppg

Case closed

Ok. And this has what to do with what I said?

[3ba11]

Ok. And this has what to do with what I said?


Nothing I guess

But relevant to the thread

[Phoenix]

Nothing I guess

:facepalm

[Airupthere]

Lol, so the NBA should be about the players just feeling good being buddies with teammates rather than winning? MJ was all about whatever it took to win and not just to make teammates feel happy.

[Baller789]

Lol, so the NBA should be about the players just feeling good being buddies with teammates rather than winning? MJ was all about whatever it took to win and not just to make teammates feel happy.

Other Alpha type stars wont like it, but there are plenty of very good betas in the league who would accept supporting roles for team success.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

I was at this sports bar with my LeBron jersey (I’m a big fan) and some Michael Jordan fans started arguing with me. I told them MJ wouldn’t score 40 points a game today. They punched me in the face and poured a beer on my head. :(

[NBA 90s]

Giannis and Luka are both currently averaging over 30 with lousy 3 point percentages, and Luka is doing it with one tenth of Jordan's athleticism.

Besides, the three point shot isn't some arcane skill that can only be mastered by a few people, as evidenced by the fact that most of the league is shooting 3 pointers in the present day. Brook Lopez, Serge Ibaka and Paul Millsap are started out strictly as inside players and eventually began shooting 3s. Why? Simple, it's not particularly difficult.

[NBA 90s]

I was at this sports bar with my LeBron jersey (I’m a big fan) and some Michael Jordan fans started arguing with me. I told them MJ wouldn’t score 40 points a game today. They punched me in the face and poured a beer on my head. :(

I'll take "Things That Have Never, Ever Happened" for $800, Alex.

[Lebron23]

They were far worse at 2's and 3's because they sucked and lacked the skills today's players have.

You posted the numbers, not me

They sucked. Defenses sucked too.


You fell in love with a primitive form of the game. Brute stiffs who were somehow smaller and weaker than today's players.

Garbage.

You just destroyed that clown

[Full Court]

I was at this sports bar with my LeBron jersey (I’m a big fan) and some Michael Jordan fans started arguing with me. I told them MJ wouldn’t score 40 points a game today. They punched me in the face and poured a beer on my head. :(

I assume this happens to Bronies quite a bit, which explains their irrational hatred of Jordan 20 years after he retired.:lol

[PeroAntic]

Ok. And this has what to do with what I said?

:roll:

[guy]

Harden averaged 36. Inefficient players like Westbrook were averaging 30+ in their prime.

Jordan would have more space to operate, be a better 3-point shooter since he'd take a lot more attempts (many players back then shot better as they shot more 3s getting in a rhythm), and live at the FT line. He would also be allowed to be more ball dominant today. 40 is definitely possible.

[Axe]

Giannis and Luka are both currently averaging over 30 with lousy 3 point percentages, and Luka is doing it with one tenth of Jordan's athleticism.

Besides, the three point shot isn't some arcane skill that can only be mastered by a few people, as evidenced by the fact that most of the league is shooting 3 pointers in the present day. Brook Lopez, Serge Ibaka and Paul Millsap are started out strictly as inside players and eventually began shooting 3s. Why? Simple, it's not particularly difficult.
It's easy to become a prolific three-point shooter nowadays if you have teammates doing a lot of excellent moving screens for you.

[Baller789]

It's easy to become a prolific three-point shooter nowadays if you have teammates doing a lot of excellent moving screens for you.

Still mad at Steph brah? Let it go.

[SATAN]

MJ would be guarded by guys like Kawhi instead of Muggsy Bogues and Jeff Hornacek.

[Baller789]

MJ would be guarded by guys like Kawhi instead of Muggsy Bogues and Jeff Hornacek.

He wouldnt be guarded by Kawhi cuz hes always injured. :oldlol:

[SATAN]

I'm going to assume this homo is replying to me. You're on ignore, dickhead. **** off.

[Baller789]

I'm going to assume this homo is replying to me. You're on ignore, dickhead. **** off.

Triggered by a prefectly valid post not even meant to get him mad, but somehow he got mad :lol

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

He wouldn't need to average 40+ pts,he'd still lead the league in PTS/PPG/PER every year barring injury especially if it's 88-93 MJ.

[Full Court]

I'm going to assume this homo is replying to me. You're on ignore, dickhead. **** off.

Beezleblubber has the mentality of little girl. :lol

Pathetic loser.

[Axe]

I'm going to assume this homo is replying to me. You're on ignore, dickhead. **** off.
:oldlol:

[Baller789]

:oldlol:

Why you laughing at SATAN? Is it because he got triggered for no reason?

[Axe]

Lol even a mere smiley gets a response from these insecure sissies.

[Baller789]

Lol even a mere smiley gets a response from these insecure sissies.
Hey man I just asked an innocent question. :facepalm

[Axe]

:sleeping

[Full Court]

Question of the day: What's the difference between a Bronie fluffer and a hormonal teenage girl?





























Ok, I have to admit, it was a trick question. Because there actually is no difference. :lol

[Baller789]

Question of the day: What's the difference between a Bronie fluffer and a hormonal teenage girl?





























Ok, I have to admit, it was a trick question. Because there actually is no difference. :lol

:roll:

[WhiteKyrie]

87 - 93 Mike could get 40 a game. Definitely.

85, 96 - 98 Mike could get 35 a game. No problem.

95, 02, 03 Mike could get 28 a game. Easy peezy.

[8Ball]

With all the factors in his favor in the 1986/87 season, he averaged 37.1. Pace was in his favor, ppg was in his favor, fg% and fouls were also in his favor. Scoring was up, no defense was being played, and whistles were blowing and he never touched 40 ppg. And please don’t mention hand checking. Pre-hand checking stats (‘80s to 2003) were higher than post-hand checking stats (2003 and beyond).

The 1986/87 season had the highest pace (100.80) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

The 1986/87 season had the highest field goal percentage (48%) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

1986/87 season had the 6th highest ppg (109.9) in the last 36 seasons including this season.

1986/87 season had the most personal fouls (24.5) and free throws (30.5) per game in the last 36 seasons including this season.

MJ mythologists debunked!

Jordan could average 40 points a game if his coach would let him shoot 40+ times a game. That's the only way.

There's only a certain number of shots a player can put up in a game and get efficient buckets. An offence geared too much towards 1 player will just make it easier on the opposing team to scheme and game plan.

This is so painfully obvious.


Players like Harden were able to score a lot and be efficient because Harden could also facilitate and pass at a high level so defences could not load up on him. Jordan doesn't so nobody fears Jordan in the passing department.

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[AlternativeAcc.]

87 - 93 Mike could get 40 a game. Definitely.

85, 96 - 98 Mike could get 35 a game. No problem.

95, 02, 03 Mike could get 28 a game. Easy peezy.

A guy who couldn't shoot 3's isn't getting anywhere near 40.

Matter of fact, because today's players are required to have an elite handle and playmaking abilities to have the ball enough to score that much (or super elite at 3s which jordan is opposite), no version of Jordan could even get 30 in todays league. He's Tj Warren/Poor mans Derozan in todays league.

[Round Mound]

I don't think he could crack 50 PPG but 40 PPG is reasonable. He just needs to develop a better 3-point shooting touch and he would be like Harden with better athletic ability in every aspect but maybe strength and a better defender.

[8Ball]

I don't think he could crack 50 PPG but 40 PPG is reasonable. He just needs to develop a better 3-point shooting touch and he would be like Harden with better athletic ability in every aspect but maybe strength and a better defender.

Without 3 point shooting, Jordan scoring 40 ppg a night ain't happening in modern NBA.

His coach won't even let him. 2 point scoring focused offence in the midrange just doesn't score enough points in modern NBA. That's why its completely scrapped on every single team in the league.

[SATAN]

How bad would the team have to be if their star playing is averaging 40-50 points?

This argument is ridiculous. Even if he did average those points, it would be absolutely pointless and not impressive.

[3ba11]

I don't think he could crack 50 PPG but 40 PPG is reasonable. He just needs to develop a better 3-point shooting touch and he would be like Harden with better athletic ability in every aspect but maybe strength and a better defender.

You'll have a point if you can provide instances where MJ shot below today's standard when he had any material volume (more than 1.5 attempts)

Otherwise, the numbers show that MJ was a great three-point shooter whenever he had a modicum of volume and therefore would have a shrug game every night in today's higher volume format

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Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif


You start clicking on some of those links and it's like damn, that's a legit indictment.. Then you realize that EVERY link has a huge indictment... The fraud is all-time level

The guy couldn't beat a 50-win team with HCA until he teamed up.. wowsers