NBA teams in the 1990's that can win an NBA Championship with Pippen

[Lebron23]

With Scottie Pippen as a no.1 scoring option.

Early 1990's Cleveland Cavaliers, Mid to late 1990's Atlanta Hawks, and Indiana Pacers.

[Dengness9]

Put JJ Barea on any of those 90’s team and they all win too.

[FultzNationRISE]

Put JJ Barea on any of those 90’s team and they all win too.


Bro why the **** would you go there?

It is so… ****ing… UNNECESSARY.

Just stop with all that bullshit. I dont wanna have to **** you up.

[bison]

lol, no team is winning with Jealous Pippan as a 1st option.

Stop overrating Jealous Pippan. The man is one of the greatest sidekicks of all time. That's not an insult. Thats high praise. As one of the best betas, you have to pair him with an elite alpha scorer to get the best out of him. Olajuwon's rockets, dominique's hawks, Shaq's orlando are all teams that could win with Jealous Pippan as a second option. But 1st? :no:

[SouBeachTalents]

lol, no team is winning with Jealous Pippan as a 1st option.

Stop overrating Jealous Pippan. The man is one of the greatest sidekicks of all time. That's not an insult. Thats high praise. As one of the best betas, you have to pair him with an elite alpha scorer to get the best out of him. Olajuwon's rockets, dominique's hawks, Shaq's orlando are all teams that could win with Jealous Pippan as a second option. But 1st? :no:
Jealous Pippan > Foolish Jordone

[RRR3]

lol, no team is winning with Jealous Pippan as a 1st option.

Stop overrating Jealous Pippan. The man is one of the greatest sidekicks of all time. That's not an insult. Thats high praise. As one of the best betas, you have to pair him with an elite alpha scorer to get the best out of him. Olajuwon's rockets, dominique's hawks, Shaq's orlando are all teams that could win with Jealous Pippan as a second option. But 1st? :no:
Pippen was better than Dominique. Low IQ post.

[1987_Lakers]

Pacers with Pippen would have been nasty.

[Spurs m8]

Put JJ Barea on any of those 90’s team and they all win too.

:roll:

[3ba11]

Pippen was a 5-6 assist guy, while Stockton, Payton, KJ, and Tim Hardaway were 10-15 assist guys.

This large gap demonstrates that Pippen is the worst passer of the group, while also having the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games or longer and 35 minutes per game - he did this twice:

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg


So given that Pippen had the worst passing and efficiency of any notable 90's sidekick, it's clear that people have it backwards - instead of saying that MJ "needed" Pippen, MJ should be praised for needing less passing and scoring help than his peers had.

A study of Pippen's playoff series shows that there are zero examples of him playing above a prime-Iggy or Wiggins-caliber, but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs and 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals, while being 0/6 in FMVP - he's actually 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals and was drastically outplayed by Reggie Miller 5/5 times when they faced the same playoff opponent.. These are just a couple gauges of Pippen's secondary level of production, which requires the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - that's what differentiates MJ from other 1st options - he had to defeat maximum defensive attention for his entire career, as Kenny Smith explains here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=114&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Accordingly, the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting, so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

[FultzNationRISE]

^ :roll:

[Jasper]

utAH , indy maybe suns

[Reggie43]

Pippen on the Pacers? They would have been better obviously but their main guys would have been a lot less effective to accomodate his game.

Mckey loses a ton of his mins because they play the same position. Mark Jackson gives up a lot of his playmaking/ballhandling duties while Smits loses touches in the post.

[3ba11]

indy


Pippen and Miller faced the same playoff opponent 5 times with Miller drastically outplaying Pippen 5/5 times:



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


So how well would Pippen play against a given opponent??... ANSWER: drastically worse than Miller 100% of the time




utAH , indy maybe suns


What if MJ wasn't on the Bulls in 1988 when Pippen was a rookie?.. Would Pippen have eventually grown the Bulls into a champion as 1st option like MJ did?

Of course not.. MJ built the Bulls from their infancy, while Pippen destroyed a fully-grown, 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were barely .500 before MJ returned in 95'.

If Pippen is the best scorer on a team, the team will have a horrific cast and win 30 games.. The exception is if Pippen is allowed to lead a 3-peat system that he grew up in and mastered (1 in 1000 scenario, aka Pippen is a lucky bum).




utAH , indy maybe suns


the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting, so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

[Bawkish]

With Scottie Pippen as a no.1 scoring option.

Early 1990's Cleveland Cavaliers, Mid to late 1990's Atlanta Hawks, and Indiana Pacers.

:lol

[Bawkish]

Pippen was better than Dominique. Low IQ post.

Overall player? Yes

Scorer, offensive option? Are you kidding me

[Avinash]

New York Knicks

[Red Pill Sports]

With Scottie Pippen as a no.1 scoring option.

Early 1990's Cleveland Cavaliers, Mid to late 1990's Atlanta Hawks, and Indiana Pacers.

A guy with no consistent jumper and a noticeable lack of a clutch gene as your No. 1 option? You ain't going anywhere.

[Phoenix]

Pippen was a 5-6 assist guy, while Stockton, Payton, KJ, and Tim Hardaway were 10-15 assist guys.

This large gap demonstrates that Pippen is the worst passer of the group, while also having the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games or longer and 35 minutes per game - he did this twice:

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg


So given that Pippen had the worst passing and efficiency of any notable 90's sidekick, it's clear that people have it backwards - instead of saying that MJ "needed" Pippen, MJ should be praised for needing less passing and scoring help than his peers had.

A study of Pippen's playoff series shows that there are zero examples of him playing above a prime-Iggy or Wiggins-caliber, but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status.. Pippen averaged 17.6 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs and 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals, while being 0/6 in FMVP - he's actually 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals and was drastically outplayed by Reggie Miller 5/5 times when they faced the same playoff opponent.. These are just a couple gauges of Pippen's secondary level of production, which requires the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load) - that's what differentiates MJ from other 1st options - he had to defeat maximum defensive attention for his entire career, as Kenny Smith explains here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=114&v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Accordingly, the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting, so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

You were banned for 2 days and in that period you couldn't find some fresh copy/pastes?

[97 bulls]

You were banned for 2 days and in that period you couldn't find some fresh copy/pastes?

Lol

[97 bulls]

Pippen and Miller faced the same playoff opponent 5 times with Miller drastically outplaying Pippen 5/5 times:



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


So how well would Pippen play against a given opponent??... ANSWER: drastically worse than Miller 100% of the time






What if MJ wasn't on the Bulls in 1988 when Pippen was a rookie?.. Would Pippen have eventually grown the Bulls into a champion as 1st option like MJ did?

Of course not.. MJ built the Bulls from their infancy, while Pippen destroyed a fully-grown, 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were barely .500 before MJ returned in 95'.

If Pippen is the best scorer on a team, the team will have a horrific cast and win 30 games.. The exception is if Pippen is allowed to lead a 3-peat system that he grew up in and mastered (1 in 1000 scenario, aka Pippen is a lucky bum).






the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting, so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

Miller was never asked or expected to do what Pippen did. All he had to do was score. Rebounding? Defense? Help Defense? Passing? Running the offense?

How can you say you played pro ball and yet freely omitt so many important facets and thr toll it take on your body to do all at a high level?

[3ba11]

Running the offense?





No one "ran" the equal-opportunity triangle and Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's - he averaged 5-6 assists while every other sidekick averaged 10-15 (Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Penny, KJ).. Even Terry Porter was a better passer and floor general.

Since Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's with the worst efficiency ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), Jordan should be praised for winning with less passing and scoring help than his peers had.






Rebounding? Defense? Help Defense?





Role players rebound, defend, and hustle but can't score, so you're saying Pippen was a role player, and not a 1st option..

What if MJ wasn't on the Bulls in 1988 when Pippen was a rookie?.. Would Pippen have eventually grown the Bulls into a champion as 1st option like MJ did?

Of course not.. MJ built the Bulls from their infancy, while Pippen destroyed a fully-grown, 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were barely .500 before MJ returned in 95'.

The numbers show that Pippen wasn't a 1st option because his efficiency was worst-ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) despite being wide open at 2nd option, so he obviously couldn't handle a 1st option load... Otoh, Miller was an elite-scoring and elite efficiency 1st option that went 6 games with Shaq/Kobe in the Finals (outplaying Kobe) and nearly beat the goat Bulls in 98' - with zero all-star teammates in his career!!!... So Miller was a lot like Curry and MJ where his elite-jumpshooting skill allowed the best chemistry and brand of ball, so he could win without super-teams/bevies of all-stars.

[Round Mound]

As a 2nd option offensively yes. He brings play making, the best defense among SFs and solid rebounding. If you have another play maker that specializes in a run and gun pace...Pippen would be finishing plays with alot of dunks.

[3ba11]

As a 2nd option offensively yes. .


Except we know that Pippen doesn't fit with dominant centers because Pippen said so - Pippen said that he didn't fit with Hakeem because the center-focused offense required him to shoot too many jumpers... Pippen averaged 14 on 40% alongside Hakeem and this was just 1 year after averaging 20 alongside Jordan.

Furthermore, Pippen only averaged 5-6 assists, while every other notable sidekick from the 90's averaged 10-15 (Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, KJ, Penny).. Since Pippen has the worst passing and efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) of any 90's sidekick, people shouldn't say that Jordan "needed" Pippen and should praise him instead for needing less passing and scoring help than his peers.

[Hey Yo]

Imagine using a guys assist avg. to determine if he was a good passer.


Total asinine logic

[WhiteKyrie]

Trick question, you can’t win with Scottie Pippen as a number one option, let alone a number one scoring option. He wasn’t a great score. He was a decent to good score. And really he could only get his buckets most consistently in transition. Where he was admittedly frightening, but he wasn’t somebody that was super creative with great ballhandling or a great jumpshot that could break people down off the dribble. He just wasn’t. That’s why he was built and made to be such an amazing wingman and second option

[Reggie43]

Forgot to mention that Pippen on the Pacers would have been 2nd option scoring wise in the playoffs because Reggie was going for 25 a game those years which disqualifies the Pacers from what was said in the op

[3ba11]

Imagine using a guys assist avg. to determine if he was a good passer.


Total asinine logic


Now you're pretending it's "asinine" to use assists as a gauge of passing ability?

It's literally standard.. you've stooped to a low level of integrity (pretending it's "asinine"), which confirms that you're supporting a fraud... btw, these are big gaps in assists, not small.

But even without APG, it's common knowledge that Stockton, Payton and Hardaway were all-time floor generals and passers, while Pippen wasn't.. Pippen was considered a far worse passer than Stockton, Payton, Hardaway, KJ, Penny or even Terry Porter..

Since Pippen had the worst passing and efficiency of any notable 90's sidekick, Jordan should be praised for winning with less passing and scoring help than his peers

[97 bulls]

No one "ran" the equal-opportunity triangle and Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's - he averaged 5-6 assists while every other sidekick averaged 10-15 (Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Penny, KJ).. Even Terry Porter was a better passer and floor general.

Since Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's with the worst efficiency ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), Jordan should be praised for winning with less passing and scoring help than his peers had.






Role players rebound, defend, and hustle but can't score, so you're saying Pippen was a role player, and not a 1st option..

What if MJ wasn't on the Bulls in 1988 when Pippen was a rookie?.. Would Pippen have eventually grown the Bulls into a champion as 1st option like MJ did?

Of course not.. MJ built the Bulls from their infancy, while Pippen destroyed a fully-grown, 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were barely .500 before MJ returned in 95'.

The numbers show that Pippen wasn't a 1st option because his efficiency was worst-ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) despite being wide open at 2nd option, so he obviously couldn't handle a 1st option load... Otoh, Miller was an elite-scoring and elite efficiency 1st option that went 6 games with Shaq/Kobe in the Finals (outplaying Kobe) and nearly beat the goat Bulls in 98' - with zero all-star teammates in his career!!!... So Miller was a lot like Curry and MJ where his elite-jumpshooting skill allowed the best chemistry and brand of ball, so he could win without super-teams/bevies of all-stars.

There's a big difference between can't score and not a great scorer. Pippen was routinely a top 25-30 scorer in the NBA out of about 400 players. Pippen was a very good offensive player.

[3ba11]

There's a big difference between can't score and not a great scorer. Pippen was routinely a top 25-30 scorer in the NBA out of about 400 players. Pippen was a very good offensive player.


Pippen had the worst efficiency of any notable 90's sidekick and averaged 5-6 assists while every other sidekick averaged 10-15 like Stockton, Payton, Hardaway, Penny and KJ.

In addition to the worst passing, efficiency, spacing and clutch of any sidekick, Pippen was a system player with the lowest peak-scoring capability, aka no game-planning required, which forced MJ to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)..

It's interesting because we remember Lebron in his fifth healthy season (2008) winning a paltry 45 games before Mo arrived to provide the elite-spacing that Lebron's game needs.. Otoh, Jordan could play the shooter role himself, aka he could shoot over defenses and didn't need driving lanes, which allowed him to win with a lane-clogger like Pippen that provded no spacing.. Lebron could never win with a lane-clogger like Pippen.

[Shooter]

No one "ran" the equal-opportunity triangle and Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's - he averaged 5-6 assists while every other sidekick averaged 10-15 (Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, Penny, KJ).. Even Terry Porter was a better passer and floor general.

Since Pippen was the worst-passing sidekick of the 90's with the worst efficiency ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), Jordan should be praised for winning with less passing and scoring help than his peers had.






Role players rebound, defend, and hustle but can't score, so you're saying Pippen was a role player, and not a 1st option..

What if MJ wasn't on the Bulls in 1988 when Pippen was a rookie?.. Would Pippen have eventually grown the Bulls into a champion as 1st option like MJ did?

Of course not.. MJ built the Bulls from their infancy, while Pippen destroyed a fully-grown, 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months - the Bulls were barely .500 before MJ returned in 95'.

The numbers show that Pippen wasn't a 1st option because his efficiency was worst-ever (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) despite being wide open at 2nd option, so he obviously couldn't handle a 1st option load... Otoh, Miller was an elite-scoring and elite efficiency 1st option that went 6 games with Shaq/Kobe in the Finals (outplaying Kobe) and nearly beat the goat Bulls in 98' - with zero all-star teammates in his career!!!... So Miller was a lot like Curry and MJ where his elite-jumpshooting skill allowed the best chemistry and brand of ball, so he could win without super-teams/bevies of all-stars.

https://i.postimg.cc/85VGZ7Lz/Jordone-1-9-Failure.jpg

[Axe]

Tbf, only pippen had the best playoff run during that decade.

[GimmeThat]

his numbers ARE comparable to Dwight Howard

[Axe]

his numbers ARE comparable to Dwight Howard
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