View Full Version : What do you think about Wembanyama?
90sgoat
10-07-2022, 08:46 PM
7'2'' to 7'4'' and supposedly the next big thing.
I don't see it.
I watched some highlight from his local french league and he was just very overmatched to the degree you couldn't see his talents because he pretty much sucked at everything.
Then he goes and drops 37 in G-League, but we all know that even the 12th guy on the bench in the NBA is doing that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi8sPCqQXQA
To me, he seems just too raw, more raw than Giannis and not at all as athletic.
Someone like Porzingis was way more developed and smooth at the same age.
He is tall and mobile for his size, which makes it possible he can get a role, and NBA roid regiment will help him.
A duel between him and holmgren may seem interesting in the future.
Real Men Wear Green
10-07-2022, 08:57 PM
He is sort of like a taller lankier Saquon Barkley who plays basketball.
ShawkFactory
10-07-2022, 09:41 PM
7'2'' to 7'4'' and supposedly the next big thing.
I don't see it.
I watched some highlight from his local french league and he was just very overmatched to the degree you couldn't see his talents because he pretty much sucked at everything.
Then he goes and drops 37 in G-League, but we all know that even the 12th guy on the bench in the NBA is doing that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi8sPCqQXQA
To me, he seems just too raw, more raw than Giannis and not at all as athletic.
Someone like Porzingis was way more developed and smooth at the same age.
He is tall and mobile for his size, which makes it possible he can get a role, and NBA roid regiment will help him.
Oh you think it's possible?
That he probably has a long dick
That he probably has a long dick
:roll:
@welfarefan
Sportal
10-07-2022, 10:15 PM
The second game showed more offense fromm him imo.
https://youtu.be/IF9mlZzfT_o
As a basketball fan I'm super excited... But he is going to be one of those what ifs... What if he gets injured, he has all this talent but what if he is too tall?
I think we're looking at someone who, IF they don't get injured, I would say he'll be an all-star at least... I think this guy could be a superstar/face of the league.
bison
10-07-2022, 10:29 PM
Will have a serious knee injury before he even sees his first nba regular season game.
beau_boy04
10-07-2022, 11:01 PM
Picking im #1 is too risky. Guy is way too tall and lanky and delicate and skinny. He will be punished in the low block by much shorter but way stronger centers.
pandiani17
10-08-2022, 08:22 AM
Picking im #1 is too risky. Guy is way too tall and lanky and delicate and skinny. He will be punished in the low block by much shorter but way stronger centers.
Glad to see some people who are not buying the hype that NBA prospects produce from time to time. Before him it was Zion, before Zion Ben Simmons, before him Andrew Wiggins, and earlier Greg Oden... Let's wait until he gets to the league and see what he's got.
It will be easy for him in the NBA. In europe it was too hard for him, could barely score 5 points per game.
90sgoat
10-08-2022, 12:20 PM
It will be easy for him in the NBA. In europe it was too hard for him, could barely score 5 points per game.
This is the truth though.
This is that game from the french league:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUte68lN0k
Look at that and compare to the NBA g-league.
Victor looks like a kid in the french league, that can't do anything right, while in the g-league he looks like a superstar.
Xiao Yao You
10-08-2022, 03:37 PM
This is the truth though.
This is that game from the french league:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUte68lN0k
Look at that and compare to the NBA g-league.
Victor looks like a kid in the french league, that can't do anything right, while in the g-league he looks like a superstar.
Saban Lee dominated the Gleague over 7 games last year and probably won't make one of the worst teams in the league. Big difference between an exhibition against the youngest Gleague team and a meaningful league game anywhere
KNOW1EDGE
10-08-2022, 04:15 PM
Picking im #1 is too risky. Guy is way too tall and lanky and delicate and skinny. He will be punished in the low block by much shorter but way stronger centers.
This will be the easiest number one pick in the history of the NBA.
You smoke crack cocaine but only on the weekends so it’s chill.
The kid looks to be absolutely amazing.
90sgoat
10-08-2022, 05:12 PM
Saban Lee dominated the Gleague over 7 games last year and probably won't make one of the worst teams in the league. Big difference between an exhibition against the youngest Gleague team and a meaningful league game anywhere
And yet the american media goes full moron and announces him as the best talent since Lebron lol.
Spurs m8
10-08-2022, 05:14 PM
And yet the american media goes full moron and announces him as the best talent since Lebron lol.
Better than LeBarry
hateraid
10-08-2022, 06:12 PM
I like Scoot better. I believe he'll be the better prospect with the higher ceiling
ralph_i_el
10-08-2022, 06:36 PM
His league in France is a higher level than the G league. He's playing against vets over there.
90sgoat
10-08-2022, 07:06 PM
His league in France is a higher level than the G league. He's playing against vets over there.
Yeah, but that should be a little concerning imo, because Luka dominated in Europe over much better competition than this and Porzingis also was playing at a higher level and producing better.
I see Victor as too raw and not athletic enough to make up for it.
He needs the NBA roid scheme for sure.
Carbine
10-08-2022, 08:03 PM
People were enamoured with Chets talents and potential.....
This guy takes it to a whole different level. He has unique size, fluidity and skill.
Once is a lifetime sentence type prospect.
Hope he stays healthy. No Zion,Greg Oden stuff.
He’s a once in a 20 year talent.
FultzNationRISE
10-09-2022, 03:25 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeauaJOUAAAUPaj?format=jpg&name=large
The fact that Toody is a GIANT human being, and Yama handily looks down on him is crazy.
I mean if the kid can bulk up a bit and stay healthy (two HUGE ifs), he could obviously end up as the SGBL (Second GOAT Behind Lebron).
Just a matter of what fate has in store.
Gohan
10-09-2022, 03:27 PM
Yall nikkas hating hard on the kid, sorry but theres gonna be other great players besides jordan and lebron
3ba11
10-09-2022, 03:28 PM
Another Rudy Gobert or similar-caliber player
that's the only role for a oversized 7-footer in today's format
I don't see any pick and pop stars in today's league - AD has guard skills that help his scoring ability and I don't see that with this kid - this kid is just a shot-blocker and spot-up shooter, aka not a super-star that can carry a team like Giannis, Curry or MJ.. Unlike them, he'll need a shit-ton of playmaking and scoring help and therefore won't be able to carry the scoring load like they did and win with less
Xiao Yao You
10-09-2022, 03:32 PM
Another Rudy Gobert or similar-caliber player
that's the only role for a oversized 7-footer in today's format
I don't see any pick and pop stars in today's league - AD has guard skills that help his scoring ability and I don't see that with this kid - this kid is just a shot-blocker and spot-up shooter, aka not a super-star that can carry a team like Giannis, Curry or MJ.. Unlike them, he'll need a shit-ton of playmaking and scoring help and therefore won't be able to carry the scoring load like they did and win with less
He's got an 8' wing span. If he's a longer Gobert with a shot and a handle he's one of the best players the league
3ba11
10-09-2022, 04:26 PM
He's got an 8' wing span. If he's a longer Gobert with a shot and a handle he's one of the best players the league
^^^ that's where you're wrong
he has no "handle" that will be functional as a guard in an NBA game
At the 6'10" and taller heights, only durant has sufficient twitchy-ness to be QUICK enough to do guard moves routinely in games.... again, ONLY DURANT has had sufficient athletic talent to pull this off.. that's why he's goat-caliber but never had the right situations in his career (kd had westbrick as a teammate early on, and then Lebron's "decision" locks the league down from 2011-2016, which steals organic chips from KD, Duncan and Curry)
So people thinking Wembanyama is another Durant are dreaming even more than they thought Chet Holgren was the next Durant (lol)
90sgoat
10-09-2022, 05:03 PM
Porzingis also thinks he has guard like skills, but he gets stripped every time he bounces that ball.
What Porzingis has that Wemba haven't shown yet, is a post game and back to basket.
He projects more like Mo Bamba than Porzingis.
3ba11
10-09-2022, 05:07 PM
Porzingis also thinks he has guard like skills, but he gets stripped every time he bounces that ball.
What Porzingis has that Wemba haven't shown yet, is a post game and back to basket.
He projects more like Mo Bamba than Porzingis.
And therein lies the rub - if the 3ball wasn't preferred, demand for post dominance would increase so guys like Wembanyama could become dominant that way (via the post).
but today's game doesn't use the post, so how will Wembanyama become dominant?... pick n pop?.. i don't think so... and he DOESN'T have a durant handle - people should stop embarassing themselves by thinking every skinny twig that comes in the league has the same unprecedented talent/quickness that allowed Durant to be the first pure guard at 6'10" that the game has ever seen.
Smook A.
10-09-2022, 07:20 PM
Another Rudy Gobert or similar-caliber player
that's the only role for a oversized 7-footer in today's format
I don't see any pick and pop stars in today's league - AD has guard skills that help his scoring ability and I don't see that with this kid - this kid is just a shot-blocker and spot-up shooter, aka not a super-star that can carry a team like Giannis, Curry or MJ.. Unlike them, he'll need a shit-ton of playmaking and scoring help and therefore won't be able to carry the scoring load like they did and win with less
How are you going to say that Wemby is another Gobert and then mention that he's a spot-up shooter, which is something Gobert has never been able to do? :oldlol:
3ba11
10-09-2022, 07:32 PM
How are you going to say that Wemby is another Gobert and then mention that he's a spot-up shooter, which is something Gobert has never been able to do? :oldlol:
Take away the idea that he's going to have handle like Durant
Now how is he going to dominate on the offensive end without a post game or a format that even prefers and uses the post?
Again, I doubt he's going to dominate with pick n pop.. Today's game simply doesn't benefit oversized 7-footers and allow them to dominate because it's better to space the floor and go for Curry-ball
ShawkFactory
10-09-2022, 07:41 PM
Take away the idea that he's going to have handle like Durant
Now how is he going to dominate on the offensive end without a post game or a format that even prefers and uses the post?
Again, I doubt he's going to dominate with pick n pop.. Today's game simply doesn't benefit oversized 7-footers and allow them to dominate because it's better to space the floor and go for Curry-ball
He would literally have just started his freshman year. Wouldn’t have even played a college basketball game yet.
It’s fine to analyze what you see right now but why are you framing it as if that’s what he is? Like he’s a finished product.
90sgoat
10-09-2022, 07:45 PM
allowed Durant to be the first pure guard at 6'10" that the game has ever seen.
I don't think Durant is Durant because of his handle, but because of his thriple threat game. Drive, shoot, pass.
That's what people are banking on with Wembayama, but from what I've seen he is too slow to be effective from the thriple threat position.
If I was Wemba, I'd get in touch with Giannis and ask for a connection to some of that muscle juice. His true hope is doping himself to become way more athletic. Then he has a chance.
3ba11
10-09-2022, 07:49 PM
I don't think Durant is Durant because of his handle, but because of his thriple threat game. Drive, shoot, pass.
That's what people are banking on with Wembayama, but from what I've seen he is too slow to be effective from the thriple threat position.
If I was Wemba, I'd get in touch with Giannis and ask for a connection to some of that muscle juice. His true hope is doping himself to become way more athletic. Then he has a chance.
He doesn't need giannis.. He just needs to develop go-to, polished moves like Giannis has.
But he can't muscle guys like giannis or joker or embiid... i see him as a shot-blocker and bird-fed finisher. maybe he can shock me and be this amazing shooter and basically like a taller Dirk - but that would still require post excellence.. so he's a tough one for me to call a future superstar
90sgoat
10-09-2022, 07:54 PM
He doesn't need giannis.. He just needs to develop go-to, polished moves like Giannis has.
But he can't muscle guys like giannis or joker or embiid... i see him as a shot-blocker and bird-fed finisher. maybe he can shock me and be this amazing shooter and basically like a taller Dirk - but that would still require post excellence.. so he's a tough one for me to call a future superstar
As of right now, he will get bullied in the post by guys several foot shorter, just like Porzingis.
He will be at his best as a small ball center when the opposition goes small ball, he should be able to get some good looks on offense and he'll be quick enough and long enough to guard on defense. Just my opinion, that's what I see. It's a lot like Porzingis, but less polished and better with his hands.
Xiao Yao You
10-09-2022, 08:25 PM
^^^ that's where you're wrong
he has no "handle" that will be functional as a guard in an NBA game
At the 6'10" and taller heights, only durant has sufficient twitchy-ness to be QUICK enough to do guard moves routinely in games.... again, ONLY DURANT has had sufficient athletic talent to pull this off.. that's why he's goat-caliber but never had the right situations in his career (kd had westbrick as a teammate early on, and then Lebron's "decision" locks the league down from 2011-2016, which steals organic chips from KD, Duncan and Curry)
So people thinking Wembanyama is another Durant are dreaming even more than they thought Chet Holgren was the next Durant (lol)
he's not going to be playing guard
3ba11
10-09-2022, 08:33 PM
he's not going to be playing guard
So without a guard handle
And with a current NBA format that doesn't use the post (and without dominant post ability anyway)
how does an oversized 7-footer like him dominate on the offensive end
Carbine
10-09-2022, 09:17 PM
He's way more fluid and agile than Porzingus.
This guy is not going to be someone you search out on picks to get him isolated against guards. He's not there yet but he's going to be a big time dominant defensive player.
As of right now, he will get bullied in the post by guys several foot shorter, just like Porzingis.
He will be at his best as a small ball center when the opposition goes small ball, he should be able to get some good looks on offense and he'll be quick enough and long enough to guard on defense. Just my opinion, that's what I see. It's a lot like Porzingis, but less polished and better with his hands.
Post-up is somewhat dead. You don't see it much in modern-era basketball. Even if a 6 ft 0 guy is defending Porzingis, I still feel like Porzinigis will be on the perimeter and not posting up.
90sgoat
10-09-2022, 09:30 PM
He's way more fluid and agile than Porzingus.
This guy is not going to be someone you search out on picks to get him isolated against guards. He's not there yet but he's going to be a big time dominant defensive player.
Zingis is actually a very good defender against guards.
He is one of the best man defenders in the league. His weakness is his abysmal rebounding.
Carbine
10-09-2022, 10:19 PM
I've seen advanced numbers that showcase his pick and roll defense and they were amongst the worst in the league over a stretch of a couple years.
90sgoat
10-09-2022, 11:59 PM
I've seen advanced numbers that showcase his pick and roll defense and they were amongst the worst in the league over a stretch of a couple years.
He was injured for a long while and his defense tanked.
When healthy he is a good PnR defender and an elite rim protector.
3ba11
10-10-2022, 12:04 PM
I just saw some highlights and I take back what I said about the kid
He isn't anywhere near the best draft prospect ever - the media is exaggerating massively - but he might be able to dominate offensively in the league.. his turnaround jumper is the key, and apparently he has the beginnings of potentially a great turnaround.. it's somewhat natural for him and I could see him developing that nicely
But ultimately (I'm going back and forth here), I still see another Thon Maker - I don't think the kid has it
999Guy
10-11-2022, 02:47 PM
^^^ that's where you're wrong
he has no "handle" that will be functional as a guard in an NBA game
At the 6'10" and taller heights, only durant has sufficient twitchy-ness to be QUICK enough to do guard moves routinely in games.... again, ONLY DURANT has had sufficient athletic talent to pull this off.. that's why he's goat-caliber but never had the right situations in his career (kd had westbrick as a teammate early on, and then Lebron's "decision" locks the league down from 2011-2016, which steals organic chips from KD, Duncan and Curry)
So people thinking Wembanyama is another Durant are dreaming even more than they thought Chet Holgren was the next Durant (lol)
Victor is far, far more of a physical freak than Durant as far as length ability to create separation. His margin for era is so absolutely massive on dribble moves because of his fluidity, and he has a natural creative feel for creating shots. This is way better than what Porzingis or like Christian Wood is or was.
Motivated Christian Wood is what this guy is NOW at 18. His raw instincts is gonna give him 15 efficient PPG just on at-rim activity. By year 2 or 3 scoring at a top 10 level will be nothing for this guy.
VW is way bigger than Durant, expecting the twitchiness is unnecessary. I compared him to Karl Anthony Towns, a guy not nearly as twitchy as KD, but his best offensive season? KD level, playing the same style VW does more or less.
Gohan
10-11-2022, 05:29 PM
I just saw some highlights and I take back what I said about the kid
He isn't anywhere near the best draft prospect ever - the media is exaggerating massively - but he might be able to dominate offensively in the league.. his turnaround jumper is the key, and apparently he has the beginnings of potentially a great turnaround.. it's somewhat natural for him and I could see him developing that nicely
But ultimately (I'm going back and forth here), I still see another Thon Maker - I don't think the kid has it
Cant go by what you say though, no one ever has it with you. Besides lebron fans youre the worst evaluator of talent on this board. Unless were talking jordan or kobe
Jasper
10-11-2022, 07:39 PM
ralph Sampson 101 ... tooooo tall
KNOW1EDGE
10-11-2022, 09:26 PM
If LeBron were in this draft, LeBron would be going #2.
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