Jordan never lost a playoff series as the favorite

[Bacchus]

Every time Jordan had HCA he won
Lebron lost twice with home court advantage

[FKAri]

Lebron never lost a playoff series, period.

[SouBeachTalents]

‘95 Magic he was the favorite


Lebron never lost a playoff series, period.
/thread

[TheGoatest]

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https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/betting-odds-history-1990s-chicago-bulls-dynasty-michael-jordan

OP alt with a massive factual FAIL, just like all his other jordon extremist alts are as soon as they dare talk about something factual. :roll:

[Full Court]

Jordan never lost a finals period.

















:lebroncry:

[Axe]

With pip or no pip, op?

[Cyrus334]

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https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/betting-odds-history-1990s-chicago-bulls-dynasty-michael-jordan

OP alt with a massive factual FAIL, just like all his other jordon extremist alts are as soon as they dare talk about something factual. :roll:

Didn't the OP say HCA?

[TheGoatest]

Aside from jordon getting spanked by Nick Anderson as the favorite, another question is whether jordon ever won a series as an underdog?
LeBron won two FINALS as an underdog, including one against a 73-9 team while leading both teams in all categories.

[MrFonzworth]

Aside from jordon getting spanked by Nick Anderson as the favorite, another question is whether jordon ever won a series as an underdog?
LeBron won two FINALS as an underdog, including one against a 73-9 team while leading both teams in all categories.

Who was the favorite when LeBron got outscored for a series by Jason Terry?

[light]

Every time Jordan had HCA he won
Lebron lost twice with home court advantage

Why would he? He always had Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson. Scottie held most of the leadership responsibility and Jordan just had to score. LeBron won while being Jordan, Pippen and Jackson in one player.

[Baller789]

Why would he? He always had Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson. Scottie held most of the leadership responsibility and Jordan just had to score. LeBron won while being Jordan, Pippen and Jackson in one player.

So why would Lebron lose with HCA?

[Baller789]

Aside from jordon getting spanked by Nick Anderson as the favorite, another question is whether jordon ever won a series as an underdog?
LeBron won two FINALS as an underdog, including one against a 73-9 team while leading both teams in all categories.

Why you lying again?

[RogueBorg]

Aside from jordon getting spanked by Nick Anderson as the favorite, another question is whether jordon ever won a series as an underdog?
LeBron won two FINALS as an underdog, including one against a 73-9 team while leading both teams in all categories.

Cool.

What happened in 2011?

[warriorfan]

Who was the favorite when LeBron got outscored for a series by Jason Terry?

Damn.

[theman93]

Who was the favorite when LeBron got outscored for a series by Jason Terry?

Yeah but surely this is because Jason Terry logged significantly more minutes. Right?

[warriorfan]

Yeah but surely this is because Jason Terry logged significantly more minutes. Right?

Ah yes. Good point. Glad you mentioned this.

LeBron not only get outscored by Jason Terry. LeBron literally logged in 67, that’s right, 67 more minutes than Jason Terry, that is like giving LeBron game then an entire free game and he still came up short vs an old, zero-time all-star, undersized guard, Jason Terry on the biggest stage. (https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-vs-heat.html)

Just one of many reasons why it is the common consensus that it is the GOAT choke. The worst choke of all time. Which immediately invalidated any conversation of being the GOAT and still to this day makes it an argument if he’s top 10.



It’s also worth mentioning that the Finals were too much for LeBron, he already had previous experience in the Finals too so it wasn’t his first time around. LeBron was in his prime at 26 and it was his second appearance….the lights were still too bright and he choked hard again. Choked even harder then the first. It’s the GOAT choke.

So that being said when it’s time to evaluate the 2012 shortened lockout season ring vs the 22 and 23 year old core of OKC…Is this ring really anything to write home about? KD was 23, Russ 23, Harden 22. All of these guys are still known for being low iq chokers in big moments even after experience.

So celebrating a win vs 22 and 23 year old low iq choke artists does not really make sense. Especially when a player supposedly as great as LeBron James was still shitting the bed on the biggest stage, even with WAY more personal experience (LeBron had more years of experience, and more finals experience) in 2011.

So if one of the best players of all time is still choking his way through his first two finals even at age 26? What’s so special about beating lesser players that were younger with even less experience? In a shortened lock out season as well.

[kawhileonard2]

‘95 Magic he was the favorite


/thread

Jordan never lost with hca.

[kawhileonard2]

Every time Jordan had HCA he won
Lebron lost twice with home court advantage

Lebron lost 3x in a row with hca and was down 5 years a row in a series 3-2 with hca

[dankok8]

Jordan never lost with HCA. Jordan lost once as a betting favorite (Magic 1995).

Lebron lost three times with HCA (Magic 2009, Celtics 2010, Mavs 2011). Lebron lost four times as a betting favorite (same three plus Suns 2021).

[warriorfan]

Jordan never lost with HCA. Jordan lost once as a betting favorite (Magic 1995).

Lebron lost three times with HCA (Magic 2009, Celtics 2010, Mavs 2011). Lebron lost four times as a betting favorite (same three plus Suns 2021).

In 2009 he lost with HCA while the Magic were missing their All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson due to injury as well.

[theman93]

Ah yes. Good point. Glad you mentioned this.

LeBron not only get outscored by Jason Terry. LeBron literally logged in 67, that’s right, 67 more minutes than Jason Terry, that is like giving LeBron game then an entire free game and he still came up short vs an old, zero-time all-star, undersized guard, Jason Terry on the biggest stage. (https://www.basketball-reference.com...s-vs-heat.html)

Just one of many reasons why it is the common consensus that it is the GOAT choke. The worst choke of all time. Which immediately invalidated any conversation of being the GOAT and still to this day makes it an argument if he’s top 10.



It’s also worth mentioning that the Finals were too much for LeBron, he already had previous experience in the Finals too so it wasn’t his first time around. LeBron was in his prime at 26 and it was his second appearance….the lights were still too bright and he choked hard again. Choked even harder then the first. It’s the GOAT choke.

So that being said when it’s time to evaluate the 2012 shortened lockout season ring vs the 22 and 23 year old core of OKC…Is this ring really anything to write home about? KD was 23, Russ 23, Harden 22. All of these guys are still known for being low iq chokers in big moments even after experience.

So celebrating a win vs 22 and 23 year old low iq choke artists does not really make sense. Especially when a player supposedly as great as LeBron James was still shitting the bed on the biggest stage, even with WAY more personal experience (LeBron had more years of experience, and more finals experience) in 2011.

So if one of the best players of all time is still choking his way through his first two finals even at age 26? What’s so special about beating lesser players that were younger with even less experience? In a shortened lock out season as well.

Wow. Yeah, that's an all-time black mark. I'm not sure how an all-time player like Lebron got that utterly dominated by a role player. That's got to be the biggest choke in NBA history, no?

[TheMan]

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https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/betting-odds-history-1990s-chicago-bulls-dynasty-michael-jordan

OP alt with a massive factual FAIL, just like all his other jordon extremist alts are as soon as they dare talk about something factual. :roll:

The Bulls were the 5th seed, the Magic were the #1 seed :confusedshrug:

What OP wrote is true, MJ is the only GOAT tier player to never lose with home court advantage.

[TheMan]

Who was the favorite when LeBron got outscored for a series by Jason Terry?

Rat poison

[warriorfan]

Wow. Yeah, that's an all-time black mark. I'm not sure how an all-time player like Lebron got that utterly dominated by a role player. That's got to be the biggest choke in NBA history, no?

Yes. It’s definitely an all-time black mark. It’s clear cut the GOAT choke in NBA history. It’s been stated here many times and never been refuted. To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LeBron stan never attempt to refute it. That is why they all try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it does not exist…unfortunately for them, it does exist, it happened, it’s not going away, it’s the goat choke.

To put this goat choke into perspective. Let’s imagine if Michael Jordan did what LeBron did. Lebron left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well. The historically weak eastern conference ) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes. (67 more minutes) https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html

https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls in his prime and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by a 33 year old Byron Scott.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg



If this goat choke was committed by Jordan it would eliminate him from any sort of goat contention. Even with the rest of Jordan’s flawless career it would still be not enough to overcome the goat choke.

I am actually a LeBron fan so I can unbiasedly say that I disappointedly realized that his legacy was over in 2011. The writing was on the wall during the 2010 decision and by 2011 we have all seen enough. The talk shifted from goat to hopefully LeBron can crack the top 10. If we are being easy on LeBron with a homer take, 2011 counts as a negative ring at least. If you stack that up with some of his other questionable titles in lockout seasons or in exhibition style games….LeBron’s career has many holes and starts to fall apart, especially under more careful scrutiny.

[Axe]

Yes. It’s definitely an all-time black mark. It’s clear cut the GOAT choke in NBA history. It’s been stated here many times and never been refuted. To be honest I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LeBron stan never attempt to refute it. That is why they all try to sweep it under the rug and pretend it does not exist…unfortunately for them, it does exist, it happened, it’s not going away, it’s the goat choke.

To put this goat choke into perspective. Let’s imagine if Michael Jordan did what LeBron did. Lebron left his originally drafted team to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well. The historically weak eastern conference ) Only to end up losing in the NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry despite logging many more minutes. (67 more minutes) https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html

https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls in his prime and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by a 33 year old Byron Scott.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg



If this goat choke was committed by Jordan it would eliminate him from any sort of goat contention. Even with the rest of Jordan’s flawless career it would still be not enough to overcome the goat choke.

I am actually a LeBron fan so I can unbiasedly say that I disappointedly realized that his legacy was over in 2011. The writing was on the wall during the 2010 decision and by 2011 we have all seen enough. The talk shifted from goat to hopefully LeBron can crack the top 10. If we are being easy on LeBron with a homer take, 2011 counts as a negative ring at least. If you stack that up with some of his other questionable titles in lockout seasons or in exhibition style games….LeBron’s career has many holes and starts to fall apart, especially under more careful scrutiny.
Your hero lost with a 73-win team despite being unanimous league mvp. So wtf is your point? :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Your hero lost with a 73-win team despite being unanimous league mvp. So wtf is your point? :confusedshrug:
To the very player he’s writing a thesis about to boot :lol Not to mention Curry got outscored by LeBron by a significant margin every single time they were matched up, and wasn’t even the 2nd leading scorer in 3 of those series.

[warriorfan]

LeBron stans @axe and @southbeachtalents. I see you guys are keeping a healthy distance from that rat poison which is good. Remember if you have any second thoughts and decide to get any closer to wear your proper personal protection equipment.


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[light]

Here's something Michael Jordan never did and could never do in a million years:

https://i.ibb.co/Sf6PLJC/Finals-Leaders-2016.png

Jordan wasn't good enough to do that.

Even the combination of Jordan and Pippen wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

Even the combination of Jordan, Pippen and Grant wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

The best that trio ever did was this:

https://i.ibb.co/By99CnR/Screen-Shot-2022-08-10-at-6-37-55-PM.png

And people want to act like Jordan is on LeBron's level. lol.

Nope. MJ is not anywhere close to LeBron.

[kawhileonard2]

MJ couldn't lose with HCA nor bring bronze medal to America nor only win titles switching teams and have a guy a star in his own era have as many titles as him that won league and finals mvp. Lebron despite stacking the deck couldn't 3 peat. He couldn't win more than 1 title for the franchise that drafted him and needed a suspension for that to happen. He lost with Shaq on his squad while Wade and Kobe won with him, he also couldn't win gold with peak Duncan/Iverson on the squad. He lost with HCA to Dwight Howard a career loser. Need I say more?

[Full Court]

Wow. Yeah, that's an all-time black mark. I'm not sure how an all-time player like Lebron got that utterly dominated by a role player. That's got to be the biggest choke in NBA history, no?

Yes, that is the worst choke job in NBA history for a supposed "great." He was ineligible for any GOAT or even top 5 conversations after that. If he had gone on and three-peated twice while winning FMVP for all six, he might have earned his way back into the conversation....

But he didn't.

He still had a good career though. Not everyone can be a winner.

[TheGoatest]

Here's something Michael Jordan never did and could never do in a million years:

https://i.ibb.co/Sf6PLJC/Finals-Leaders-2016.png

Jordan wasn't good enough to do that.

Even the combination of Jordan and Pippen wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

Even the combination of Jordan, Pippen and Grant wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

The best that trio ever did was this:

https://i.ibb.co/By99CnR/Screen-Shot-2022-08-10-at-6-37-55-PM.png

And people want to act like Jordan is on LeBron's level. lol.

Nope. MJ is not anywhere close to LeBron.

Damn.. The ether.. :oldlol:

And let's not forget his one-dimensionality in the 1998 finals.
Here are the benchwarming role players who had higher rpg and/or apg averages than jordon (4.0 rpg & 2.3 apg) in those finals:

Toni Kukoc
Ron Harper
Luc Longley
Steve Kerr
Jeff Hornacek
Bryon Russell
Howard Eisley

All of these players averaged fewer minutes than jordon too, some of them literally HALF the 41.7 mpg jordon averaged in the 1998 finals. :roll:
jordon was a role player, who had one role: scoring

[warriorfan]

2016 is an asterisk ring

If you want to try to refute this we can go there

Let me know

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FoxxMN8gNA&list=FL-gCOBSUEj4XcUEYIzzqxyQ

"Injured."

:roll:

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah he was favored over the Magic, thread fail.

[8Ball]

Here's something Michael Jordan never did and could never do in a million years:

https://i.ibb.co/Sf6PLJC/Finals-Leaders-2016.png

Jordan wasn't good enough to do that.

Even the combination of Jordan and Pippen wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

Even the combination of Jordan, Pippen and Grant wasn't good enough to lead every major statistical category in the finals.

The best that trio ever did was this:

https://i.ibb.co/By99CnR/Screen-Shot-2022-08-10-at-6-37-55-PM.png

And people want to act like Jordan is on LeBron's level. lol.

Nope. MJ is not anywhere close to LeBron.

2016 is the reason why 40-50% think LeBron is the GOAT. It's the greatest finals ever played individually.

Leading all players in all major statistical categories.
Down 3-1 vs a 73 win team.
Defeats a 73 win team with 3 GOAT level performances in game 5 6 7.
Defeats the unanimous MVP.


Won't happen again.

[8Ball]

2016 is an asterisk ring

If you want to try to refute this we can go there

Let me know

I refute your premise.

[GrayGoat]

Shaq on the magic ragdolled his ass. MJ was the favorite.