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3ba11
06-18-2022, 01:58 AM
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* Less rings than many guys despite longevity
* Worst Finals record in 3-pointer history
* Non-dynasty team ceiling - lottery record on the championship level
* Bad at ball movement (team assists)
* No all-defense in his 30's (not a goat-level 2-way player)
* 1 scoring title in 2 decades - no repertoire of polished moves or go-to moves - not elite in any scoring area
* His clutch-time stats aren't all-time level (last 5 within 5) - weak pull-up jumper or contested jumpshooting ability
* Lost 3 fourth quarter leads in the 09' ECF and this is a common reason for his series losses (loses the key possessions)
* Never learned how to win, aka organic (teammate development, fits, brand of ball), so he's a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy, team-hopping).
* Non-elite jumpshooting skill and big man ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopper, can't win organically)
* Stacked deck in weak conference to get a bunch of extra Finals, which provided sufficient sample size to confirm that he yields perennial Finals underdogs with super-teams and then barely meets this underdog expectation (4/10**)
* Underachieved expectation by losing as favorite (09', 10'), preseason favorite (11', 14', 21', 22'), and his preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').
* Many chokes and bad series (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, etc)
* Upset the natural competitive environment by hand-picking a super-team and preseason favorite from 11-16', which stole organic chips from 12' Durant, 13' Duncan and 16' Curry.
* Ball-dominators lack sufficient brand at high scoring burden to carry the scoring load in the Finals and therefore need all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie).. Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ maintain good brand while carrying the scoring load, so they can win Finals with secondary scorers at sidekick like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen.
SouBeachTalents
06-18-2022, 02:13 AM
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Howard, it's Bateman, Patrick Bateman. You're my lawyer so I think you should know: I've killed a lot of people. Some girls in the apartment uptown uh, some homeless people maybe 5 or 10 um an NYU girl I met in Central Park. I left her in a parking lot behind some donut shop. I killed Bethany, my old girlfriend, with a nail gun, and some man uh some old ****** with a dog last week. I killed another girl with a chainsaw, I had to, she almost got away and uh someone else there I can't remember maybe a model, but she's dead too. And Paul Allen. I killed Paul Allen with an axe in the face, his body is dissolving in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 people, maybe 40. I have tapes of a lot of it, uh some of the girls have seen the tapes. I even, um... I ate some of their brains, and I tried to cook a little. Tonight I, uh, I just had to kill a LOT of people. And I'm not sure I'm gonna get away with it this time. I guess I'll uh, I mean, ah, I guess I'm a pretty uh, I mean I guess I'm a pretty sick guy. So, if you get back tomorrow, I may show up at Harry's Bar, so you know, keep your eyes open.
I live in the American Gardens Building on W. 81st Street on the 11th floor. My name is Patrick Bateman. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6M80VVh-zSI
2ball
06-18-2022, 03:15 AM
Thread Cliffs: LeBron needed equal scoring help and elite play finishers in order to contend for titles (aka stacked deck)
SATAN
06-18-2022, 04:14 AM
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you lost OP.
just deal with it loser. :oldlol:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Howard, it's Bateman, Patrick Bateman. You're my lawyer so I think you should know: I've killed a lot of people. Some girls in the apartment uptown uh, some homeless people maybe 5 or 10 um an NYU girl I met in Central Park. I left her in a parking lot behind some donut shop. I killed Bethany, my old girlfriend, with a nail gun, and some man uh some old ****** with a dog last week. I killed another girl with a chainsaw, I had to, she almost got away and uh someone else there I can't remember maybe a model, but she's dead too. And Paul Allen. I killed Paul Allen with an axe in the face, his body is dissolving in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to leave anything out here. I guess I've killed maybe 20 people, maybe 40. I have tapes of a lot of it, uh some of the girls have seen the tapes. I even, um... I ate some of their brains, and I tried to cook a little. Tonight I, uh, I just had to kill a LOT of people. And I'm not sure I'm gonna get away with it this time. I guess I'll uh, I mean, ah, I guess I'm a pretty uh, I mean I guess I'm a pretty sick guy. So, if you get back tomorrow, I may show up at Harry's Bar, so you know, keep your eyes open.
I live in the American Gardens Building on W. 81st Street on the 11th floor. My name is Patrick Bateman. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis; my punishment continues to elude me, and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.
:oldlol:
Shooter
06-18-2022, 08:52 AM
Player Ranking Range
LeBron: 1 - 2
Kobe: 11 - 15
Accept reality.
Wally450
06-18-2022, 08:54 AM
Thread Cliffs: OP is a *******
4 finals MVPs
Finals MVP over a 70-win
Pippin won 55 games without Jordan
Jordan only beat shitty teams
Jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs before his stacked 70-win team
Who did Jordan beat in the playoffs and finals again? Malone and Stockton? We really comparing that to the spurs and warriors?
I used to destroy you OP by reminding you that pippen won 55games without Jordan. Went game 7 second round eastern conference without Jordan.
Find one lebron team that could ever do that.
RIP again
Jordan's best scalp is Malone and Stockton :roll:
Pippen Rodman and grant never got injured IN ONE SINGLE SERIES
steve Kerr Jordan's own teammate says he doesn't know if Jordan is better than lebron
Meanwhile OP argues that lebron isn't top 10
Suck my dick OP :roll:
Shooter
06-18-2022, 08:59 AM
Jordan's best scalp is Malone and Stockton :roll:
Pippen Rodman and grant never got injured IN ONE SINGLE SERIES
steve Kerr Jordan's own teammate says he doesn't know if Jordan is better than lebron
Meanwhile OP argues that lebron isn't top 10
Suck my dick OP :roll:
THROW the DAMN TOWEL!!!
:lol :lol
THROW the DAMN TOWEL!!!
:lol :lol
I finished this dude so many times I lost count
he just responds by starting 100 more threads repeating the same points
Shooter
06-18-2022, 09:02 AM
I finished this dude so many times I lost count
he just responds by starting 100 more threads repeating the same points
:lol
Jordan doesn't even have a 50 win season without Pippen. In fact, he doesn't even have a .500 season without Pippen.
LeGoat4Life
06-18-2022, 10:36 AM
Lol no one in the real world ranks Lebron in the top 5
Lebron is properly ranked 9-15 in the real world
Don’t let forum virgins and media brainwash you
People laugh you off the court if you ever mention Lebron in top 5 lol
:lol
Jordan doesn't even have a 50 win season without Pippen. In fact, he doesn't even have a .500 season without Pippen.
pippen didnt even need jordan to play a single game - he led the bulls to 55-wins without mike playing a SINGLE GAME that season
find one lebron team ever that could win 50 games without him. ZERO chance that even wade and bosh could do it with that roster. they didnt have a single serviceable big on that team in a time right before small ball actually took off.
not to mention wade and bosh often got injured - lebron was iron-man and EARNED those two rings and finals MVPs for the heat. :oldlol:
Lol no one in the real world ranks Lebron in the top 5
Lebron is properly ranked 9-15 in the real world
Don’t let forum virgins and media brainwash you
People laugh you off the court if you ever mention Lebron in top 5 lol
But why does he hold more finals mvps over other players in the modern era or in the last 20 years?
3ba11
06-18-2022, 01:34 PM
Thread Cliffs: LeBron needed equal scoring help and elite play finishers in order to contend for titles (aka stacked deck)
Westbrook, Wade and Kyrie average more assist than Pippen, so Lebron needed more scoring help and passing help
Westbrook, Wade and Kyrie average more assist than Pippen, so Lebron needed more scoring help and passing help
pippen won 55 games without jordan
pippen went to game 7 of the conference semi-finals without jordan
jordan never won 50 games without pippen.
who's the best team that jordan beat, 3ball?
you always duck this point 3ball
how come jordan's own teammate, a guy that jordan himself said that he respects - how come he himself says that jordan and lebron is a complete toss-up?
is he not the single most qualified person on earth to speak on the subject? why is your opinion more important than a player who won 5 rings and then won 4 more rings as a coach?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4
https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200508152509/f57e5083-943b-4775-9b6f-290b4206051e-2020-04-13_Kerr_Jordan.jpeg
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:01 PM
you always duck this point 3ball
how come jordan's own teammate, a guy that jordan himself said that he respects - how come he himself says that jordan and lebron is a complete toss-up?
is he not the single most qualified person on earth to speak on the subject? why is your opinion more important than a player who won 5 rings and then won 4 more rings as a coach?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4
https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200508152509/f57e5083-943b-4775-9b6f-290b4206051e-2020-04-13_Kerr_Jordan.jpeg
Toss up's go to the guy that entered the league nearly 40 years ago, not the new guy with all the advantages
If it's a toss-up despite Jordan having garbage nutrition, training, travel, no 3-point practice or understanding, no modern offensive spacing strategy, no teammates spacing the floor with 30 threes per game
So it isn't really a toss up then - it's Jordan keeping pace despite all these encumbrances, which means he's far superior if everything was even
Carry on.. Kerr knows this btw but he isn't going to shit on today's game or players that he still coaches.. it's called politics and you have to be smart enough to decipher what's really going on like we did earlier in this post above
Toss up's go to the guy that entered the league nearly 40 years ago, not the new guy with all the advantages
If it's a toss-up despite Jordan having garbage nutrition, training, travel, no 3-point practice or understanding, no modern offensive spacing strategy, no teammates spacing the floor with 30 threes per game
So it isn't really a toss up then - it's Jordan keeping pace despite all these encumbrances, which means he's far superior if everything was even
Carry on.. Kerr knows this btw but he isn't going to shit on today's game or players that he still coaches
you're the definition of a coward and a *****.
you never admit when you are wrong.
and you are always wrong.
you're literally not even a man. all you die is lie and fold. :oldlol:
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:04 PM
you're the definition of a coward and a *****.
you never admit when you are wrong.
and you are always wrong.
you're literally not even a man. all you die is lie and fold. :oldlol:
I just proved you wrong
If it's a toss-up when Jordan had all these built-in disadvantages (no modern training, strategy, etc), then Jordan is easily the best when all things are even
Kerr is just being political
I just proved you wrong
If it's a toss-up when Jordan had all these built-in disadvantages (no modern training, strategy, etc), then Jordan is easily the best without the disadvantages when all things are even
dude it is so ****ing funny that you always accuse lebron of being a coward that rigged the deck
when you are literally exactly that. you are a frontrunning coward that talked mad shit when leGOAT was "2-6"
and now you cant admit when you're wrong. but you spam and repeat the same posts over and over again after they've been disproven.
you're a mentally ill coward. that's the character that you've revealed to me over the years.
there isnt a player in NBA history that EVER carried a heavier load than what lebron did for cleveland his first 7 years.
and now that he is winning - STILL winning - it drives you crazy :oldlol:
I just proved you wrong
If it's a toss-up when Jordan had all these built-in disadvantages (no modern training, strategy, etc), then Jordan is easily the best when all things are even
Kerr is just being political
jordan benefited from garbage competition.
how come you never answer every time I ask you who the best team is that jordan beat?
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:10 PM
jordan benefited from garbage competition.
how come you never answer every time I ask you who the best team is that jordan beat?
Magic is better than anyone that Lebron beat
So is Shaq
So is Hakeem
Meanwhile, Lebron is 2-8 against Dirk, Curry, Dwight and Duncan.. including goat chokes and record losses
lol..
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:11 PM
4 finals MVPs
Finals MVP over a 70-win
Pippin won 55 games without Jordan
Jordan only beat shitty teams
Jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs before his stacked 70-win team
Who did Jordan beat in the playoffs and finals again? Malone and Stockton? We really comparing that to the spurs and warriors?
If you want to be taken seriously, you can't troll and then call others out for trolling, bruh. It doesn't work that way. Stockton and Malone are top 20 all time, despite your trolling.
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:12 PM
If you want to be taken seriously, you can't troll and then call others out for trolling, bruh. It doesn't work that way. Stockton and Malone are top 20 all time, despite your trolling.
Stockton is not top 20, lmao.
Magic is better than anyone that Lebron beat
So is Shaq
So is Hakeem
Lebron is 2-8 against Dirk, Curry, Dwight and Duncan
We've been over this fam.
The 91 lakers were the weakest most injury ridden version of those Lakers. Dont act like Jordan beat the 87 lakers. I went back and I looked at all of Jordan's finals - multiple times - because Im a basketball nerd like that.
If lebron played trash competition, then what Jordan beat was BEYOND dogshit.
Considering the fact that Jordan's team won 55-games without him - thats lebrons GOAT case right there. His case for number one OVER jordan.
There was never a single team that lebron EVER played on that could win 55-games without him.
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:14 PM
We've been over this fam.
The 91 lakers were the weakest most injury ridden version of those Lakers. Dont act like Jordan beat the 87 lakers. I went back and I looked at all of Jordan's finals - multiple times - because Im a basketball nerd like that.
If lebron played trash competition, then what Jordan beat was BEYOND dogshit.
Considering the fact that Jordan's team won 55-games without him - thats lebrons GOAT case right there. His case for number one OVER jordan.
There was never a single team that lebron EVER played on that could win 55-games without him.
Magic was runner-up for MVP in 91' with a better-ranked team defense and FAR more scoring options than the Bulls
Most people thought the 9-time Finals team would beat the 1st timer Bulls
And 55 games is nothing - everyone does that and they don't need a 3-peat dynasty
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:15 PM
Stockton is not top 20, lmao.
He's considered the second best PG ever and highly regarded by NBA experts. The troll job you LeBron trolls have done on him in order to throw shade at MJ's competition notwithstanding. I thought you were better than this but perhaps not, after all you made that silly thread asking if Curry had surpassed Kobe :roll:
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:16 PM
Wilt
Russell
West
Big O
Kareem
Magic
Bird
MJ
Hakeem
D-Rob
Duncan
Dirk
K. Malone
Moses
Garnett
Kobe
Shaq
KD
Barkley
Curry
20 players off the top of my heard who are clearly better than Stockton.
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:17 PM
He's considered the second best PG ever and highly regarded by NBA experts.
In what world are you living in? Stockton better than Curry??
:roll:
Magic was runner-up for MVP in 91' with a better-ranked team defense and FAR more scoring options than the Bulls
Most people thought the 9-time Finals team would beat the 1st timer Bulls
And 55 games is nothing - everyone does that and they don't need a 3-peat dynasty
where's kareem?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1991.html
you're telling me 23 year old vlade is supposed to replace his impact for the team? and THIS is the best team that jordan ever beat?
so magic was out of his prime by 91 AND they are missing their all-time GOAT center.
are you serious bro? this is the best team?
He's considered the second best PG ever and highly regarded by NBA experts. The troll job you LeBron trolls have done on him in order to throw shade at MJ's competition notwithstanding. I thought you were better than this but perhaps not, after all you made that silly thread asking if Curry had surpassed Kobe :roll:
I have nothing against you bro, I respect you defending your guy mike.
we are trying to prove how bad 3ball's logic is.
he argues that dennis rodman and horace grant have less talent than anderson varejao and an old version of zydrunas ilgauskas
he says pippen has less talent than mo williams
John8204
06-18-2022, 02:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ&t=33s
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:21 PM
where's kareem?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1991.html
you're telling me 23 year old vlade is supposed to replace his impact for the team? and THIS is the best team that jordan ever beat?
so magic was out of his prime by 91 AND they are missing their all-time GOAT center.
are you serious bro? this is the best team?
Kareem was a fossil in 89' - Vlade & Perkins both averaged 17/9 in the 91' Finals and were better at that point.. The Lakers had 4 guys average 17+ in the Finals (4 Pippens)
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:21 PM
In what world are you living in? Stockton better than Curry??
:roll:
Well in terms of shooting, Curry is obv better but I guess I'm rating PGs in what their old school main objective was, and that's to run the offense, create shots for teammates and get assists. Stockton slays Curry in that as much as Curry does in shooting vs Stockton...plus Stockton was a better defender.
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:22 PM
I have nothing against you bro, I respect you defending your guy mike.
we are trying to prove how bad 3ball's logic is.
he argues that dennis rodman and horace grant have less talent than anderson varejao and an old version of zydrunas ilgauskas
he says pippen has less talent than mo williams
I have my beef with him too, I ignore him because he's obviously wants to troll you guys and y'all always fall for it.
He's considered the second best PG ever and highly regarded by NBA experts. The troll job you LeBron trolls have done on him in order to throw shade at MJ's competition notwithstanding. I thought you were better than this but perhaps not, after all you made that silly thread asking if Curry had surpassed Kobe :roll:
he's a frontrunning coward that doesnt shake hands. he gave us hell every time lebron played the most stacked team of all-time, trying to argue that jordan would have won against such ridiculous odds - when it never happened. jordan never played a single team even CLOSE to the kd curry klay dray iggy warriors.
we are clowning him and showing him how much of a bitch he is - fun way to spend the saturday afternoon recovering from a vicous hangover from an epic night out.
Kareem was a fossil in 89' - Vlade & Perkins both averaged 17/9 in the 91' Finals and were better at that point.. The Lakers had 4 guys average 17+ in the Finals (4 Pippens)
that's exactly my point you ****ing moron.
that version of the lakers was a shell of itself. not NEARLY on the level of the teams you claimed jordan would have beaten.
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:26 PM
Well in terms of shooting, Curry is obv better but I guess I'm rating PGs in what their old school main objective was, and that's to run the offense, create shots for teammates and get assists. Stockton slays Curry in that as much as Curry does in shooting...plus Stockton was a better defender.
Nobody currently creates more open shots for his teammates than Curry with all the defensive attention he gets.
This is a retarded debate, you are comparing a 2x MVP and a guy who just put up MJ numbers in the Finals to a guy who was never even considered a top 5 player in the NBA while he was playing.
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:26 PM
Wilt
Russell
West
Big O
Kareem
Magic
Bird
MJ
Hakeem
D-Rob
Duncan
Dirk
K. Malone
Moses
Garnett
Kobe
Shaq
KD
Barkley
Curry
20 players off the top of my heard who are clearly better than Stockton.
Ok I can see that because we're including all positions. Let me rephrase, KMalone top 20 all time and Stockton top 2/3 PG all time? That work for ya :lol
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:29 PM
Ok I can see that because we're including all positions. Let me rephrase, KMalone top 20 all time and Stockton top 2/3 PG all time? That work for ya :lol
So you admit you were wrong calling Stockton top 20, thanks.
:cheers:
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:31 PM
So you admit you were wrong calling Stockton top 20, thanks.
:cheers:
No problem with that, I quickly looked up top 20 and he's listed 21, so top 25 :lol
My main point is that trolls are wrong when they throw shade at MJ's competition and it's all agenda driven.
John8204
06-18-2022, 02:31 PM
In what world are you living in? Stockton better than Curry??
:roll:
10,000 more assists
2 more All-Star Appearances
5 All-NBA defense selections to 0 of Curry's
3 more All-NBA selections
Curry is more of a SG than a PG and Stockton is the best pure PG in NBA history. Stockton belongs in the top 20 in my opinion I put Curry above him after this season.
Also if we are going with rankings from that generation and where they line up all-time...
1. Jordan (SG) (1 )
2. Hakeem (C) (10-15)
3. Stockton (PG) (15-20)
4. Barkley (SF) (21-25)
5. K. Malone (PF) (26-30)
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:32 PM
No problem with that, I quickly looked up top 20 and he's listed 21, so top 25 :lol
So he's better than Dr. J too?
TheMan
06-18-2022, 02:37 PM
So he's better than Dr. J too?
Take that up with that list bruh. He's def top 25 and in pure PG skills which is to run the offense > Curry. And like I said, a much better defender.
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:38 PM
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The Jazz needed their sidekick to be a goat playmaker and MJ assassin in the clutch:
97' PLAYOFFS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/ZNXS7G.gif
97' FINALS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/j3_9OV.gif
Pippen can't do that.. :confusedshrug:
Pippen was a scrub and outscored by guys like Longley, Ostertag or Hornacek in the clutch
Drivers of winning for sidekicks include efficiency, clutch and defensive attention (not being a system or transition player - actually being in the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif))
So while Pippen outscored Majerle and Dumas by a couple points in the 93' Finals, he shot 45% true shooting compared to their 60 .. Pippen had a poor man's "Pandemic P" performance, which forced MJ to average 41/9/6..Majerle had higher gamescore than Pippen as well..
And it wasn't just the 93' Finals - those playoffs showed Pippen getting the lowest-ever advanced stats of any winning sidekick (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, TS).
In addition to his garbage 93' season and playoffs, he wet the bed in the 96-98' Playoffs with additional "Pandemic P" performance - the poor man's variety (17 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs.or Finals).. Stockton, Kemp, and Payton matched or exceeded his Finals gamescore and were actual offensive threats (aka they had higher peak capability, while Pippen had low peak that didn't require game-planning)
3ba11
06-18-2022, 02:45 PM
Player Ranking Range
LeBron: 1 - 2
Kobe: 11 - 15
Accept reality.
Ball-dominators need all-time scorers at sidekick - crazy scoring help like Kareem or Wade - whereas off-ball players can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.
Specifically, ball-dominators lack sufficient brand at high scoring burden, so they can't carry the scoring load in the Finals and need all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie)..
Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ maintain good brand while carrying the scoring load, so they can win Finals with secondary scorers at sidekick like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 02:46 PM
Take that up with that list bruh. He's def top 25 and in pure PG skills which is to run the offense > Curry. And like I said, a much better defender.
Chris Paul has better PG skills than Curry and is a better defender as well, yet you would be laughed out of the room if you ranked him ahead of Curry.
TheMan
06-18-2022, 03:00 PM
Chris Paul has better PG skills than Curry and is a better defender as well, yet you would be laughed out of the room if you ranked him ahead of Curry.
Pre injury CP was a beast, he has never been the same since his knee injury. And I'm not arguing CP > Curry. Again, my main point is that knocking MJ's competition is agenda driven. Malone/Stockton are NBA greats, where they are in those all time lists are subjective but they weren't scrubs.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 03:31 PM
Based on a narrative being spammed along with recency bias. He'll drop significantly after he retires and people take a more rational look at his record.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 03:31 PM
Chris Paul has better PG skills than Curry and is a better defender as well, yet you would be laughed out of the room if you ranked him ahead of Curry.
Accomplishments matter.
If they didn't, Wilt would be #1.
.
The Jazz needed their sidekick to be a goat playmaker and MJ assassin in the clutch:
97' PLAYOFFS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/ZNXS7G.gif
97' FINALS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/j3_9OV.gif
Pippen can't do that.. :confusedshrug:
Pippen was a scrub and outscored by guys like Longley, Ostertag or Hornacek in the clutch
Drivers of winning for sidekicks include efficiency, clutch and defensive attention (not being a system or transition player - actually being in the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif))
So while Pippen outscored Majerle and Dumas by a couple points in the 93' Finals, he shot 45% true shooting compared to their 60 .. Pippen had a poor man's "Pandemic P" performance, which forced MJ to average 41/9/6..Majerle had higher gamescore than Pippen as well..
And it wasn't just the 93' Finals - those playoffs showed Pippen getting the lowest-ever advanced stats of any winning sidekick (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, TS).
In addition to his garbage 93' season and playoffs, he wet the bed in the 96-98' Playoffs with additional "Pandemic P" performance - the poor man's variety (17 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs.or Finals).. Stockton, Kemp, and Payton matched or exceeded his Finals gamescore and were actual offensive threats (aka they had higher peak capability, while Pippen had low peak that didn't require game-planning)
jordan played against weak competition and played on a team that was talented enough to win 55-games without him, also reaching game 7 of the eastern conference finals, again, without him.
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 03:32 PM
Accomplishments matter.
Exactly.
Curry: 4 rings
Stockton: 0
Full Court
06-18-2022, 03:33 PM
Exactly.
Curry: 4 rings
Stockton: 0
No argument on that from me...
ShawkFactory
06-18-2022, 03:43 PM
Based on a narrative being spammed along with recency bias. He'll drop significantly after he retires and people take a more rational look at his record.
So from like 2-3 to 7-9?
Full Court
06-18-2022, 04:11 PM
So from like 2-3 to 7-9?
Precisely.
LeGoat4Life
06-18-2022, 04:21 PM
But why does he hold more finals mvps over other players in the modern era or in the last 20 years?
Imagine celebrating a participating trophy lol Lebron got 4 but he also given away 6 to his direct assignment lol
Lebron -2
Imagine celebrating a participating trophy lol Lebron got 4 but he also given away 6 to his direct assignment lol
Lebron -2
So i'm guessing it's better if he lost in the earlier rounds instead? :confusedshrug:
FilmyCogTurner
06-18-2022, 08:54 PM
that's exactly my point you ****ing moron.
that version of the lakers was a shell of itself. not NEARLY on the level of the teams you claimed jordan would have beaten.
How ****ing long to you want Kareems prime to last for? He aged out and had to retire - kudos to the Lakers for being able to replace him with TWO QUALITY CENTERS you worthless zero.
How ****ing long to you want Kareems prime to last for?
Probably long enough for him to see the birth of the raptors franchise while he was still active in the league lmao.
FilmyCogTurner
06-18-2022, 09:02 PM
No one has that kind of time, Axe.
No one has that kind of time, Axe.
Yep, kareem's not God.
How ****ing long to you want Kareems prime to last for? He aged out and had to retire - kudos to the Lakers for being able to replace him with TWO QUALITY CENTERS you worthless zero.
the point I'm making
and everyone knows this,
is that those lakers were a clear shell of themselves.
its kind've a fact.
.
* Less rings than many guys despite longevity
* Worst Finals record in 3-pointer history
* Non-dynasty team ceiling - lottery record on the championship level
* Bad at ball movement (team assists)
* No all-defense in his 30's (not a goat-level 2-way player)
* 1 scoring title in 2 decades - no repertoire of polished moves or go-to moves - not elite in any scoring area
* His clutch-time stats aren't all-time level (last 5 within 5) - weak pull-up jumper or contested jumpshooting ability
* Lost 3 fourth quarter leads in the 09' ECF and this is a common reason for his series losses (loses the key possessions)
* Never learned how to win, aka organic (teammate development, fits, brand of ball), so he's a talent-based winner (all-star team strategy, team-hopping).
* Non-elite jumpshooting skill and big man ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopper, can't win organically)
* Stacked deck in weak conference to get a bunch of extra Finals, which provided sufficient sample size to confirm that he yields perennial Finals underdogs with super-teams and then barely meets this underdog expectation (4/10**)
* Underachieved expectation by losing as favorite (09', 10'), preseason favorite (11', 14', 21', 22'), and his preseason favorites fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16').
* Many chokes and bad series (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, etc)
* Upset the natural competitive environment by hand-picking a super-team and preseason favorite from 11-16', which stole organic chips from 12' Durant, 13' Duncan and 16' Curry.
* Ball-dominators lack sufficient brand at high scoring burden to carry the scoring load in the Finals and therefore need all-time scorers at sidekick that can match or lead in scoring for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie).. Otoh, off-ball experts like Curry/MJ maintain good brand while carrying the scoring load, so they can win Finals with secondary scorers at sidekick like Klay, Wiggins or Pippen.
less rings than many guys :roll:
how many players in NBA history have more finals MVPs?
name one single other player that has 3 finals MVPs on 3 different franchises.
.
The Jazz needed their sidekick to be a goat playmaker and MJ assassin in the clutch:
97' PLAYOFFS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/ZNXS7G.gif
97' FINALS CLUTCH SCORING (last 5 within 5)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2022/j3_9OV.gif
Pippen can't do that.. :confusedshrug:
Pippen was a scrub and outscored by guys like Longley, Ostertag or Hornacek in the clutch
Drivers of winning for sidekicks include efficiency, clutch and defensive attention (not being a system or transition player - actually being in the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif))
So while Pippen outscored Majerle and Dumas by a couple points in the 93' Finals, he shot 45% true shooting compared to their 60 .. Pippen had a poor man's "Pandemic P" performance, which forced MJ to average 41/9/6..Majerle had higher gamescore than Pippen as well..
And it wasn't just the 93' Finals - those playoffs showed Pippen getting the lowest-ever advanced stats of any winning sidekick (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, TS).
In addition to his garbage 93' season and playoffs, he wet the bed in the 96-98' Playoffs with additional "Pandemic P" performance - the poor man's variety (17 on 41% for entire 96-98' Playoffs.or Finals).. Stockton, Kemp, and Payton matched or exceeded his Finals gamescore and were actual offensive threats (aka they had higher peak capability, while Pippen had low peak that didn't require game-planning)
those jazz were dogshit in the grand scheme of things - nothing to brag about for your GOAT case
giannis and the bucks would take their soul in a series :roll:
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:18 PM
name one single other player that has 3 finals MVPs on 3 different franchises.
Only in the mind of a Bronie is hopping to a stacked team in order to get a championship because you couldn't do it organically a POSITIVE thing.
Hey, how many times was Bronie able to 3-peat?
Only in the mind of a Bronie is hopping to a stacked team in order to get a championship because you couldn't do it organically a POSITIVE thing.
Hey, how many times was Bronie able to 3-peat?
hopping to a stacked team :roll:
the lakers were literally in the basement and the heat were struggling to make it out it of the second round - and they were a very flawed team
I dont need to mention the cavs. no player in nba history ever carried a bigger load for a team than lebron did BOTH times he played for his hometown team. had to do it for "the land"
of course jordan never team hopped - who would team hop from a team that wins 55-games without their star player?
lebron never played on a SINGLE team that had the talent to win 55-games without him. and that includes the flawed heat roster that didnt have a single nba bigman or point guard.
Spurs m8
06-18-2022, 11:21 PM
Only in the mind of a Bronie is hopping to a stacked team in order to get a championship because you couldn't do it organically a POSITIVE thing.
Hey, how many times was Bronie able to 3-peat?
Yep...so pathetic
Yep...so pathetic
lebron_m8 getting shit on like always.
:roll:
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:31 PM
lebron never played on a SINGLE team that had the talent to win 55-games without him. and that includes the flawed heat roster that didnt have a single nba bigman or point guard.
Wow. Loooooooowwwwwwwwww IQ take. :lol
Wow. Loooooooowwwwwwwwww IQ take. :lol
that's just facts *****. nothing low IQ about stating simple basic facts.
says the new troll with 5k+ posts in less than a year. :oldlol:
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:34 PM
that's just facts *****. nothing low IQ about stating simple basic facts.
says the new troll with 5k+ posts in less than a year. :oldlol:
You wouldn't know a fact if it took a big dump on you. Not only is it not a "fact," it's an abysmally low IQ take. Heat were a super team, and Bronie STILL managed to lose in 2011. Wouldn't be the last time he lost with a super team though. :lol
show me one team that wins 55 games without him?
You wouldn't know a fact if it took a big dump on you. Not only is it not a "fact," it's an abysmally low IQ take. Heat were a super team, and Bronie STILL managed to lose in 2011. Wouldn't be the last time he lost with a super team though. :lol
says the virgin with 5k posts in less than a year.
show me a single team that wins 55-games without him. I'm waiting right here. just working in the background.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:37 PM
show me one team that wins 55 games without him?
Heat are the obvious ones.
Also the 2021-22 Lakers if genius Bronie hadn't traded away all their talent for Westbrook. He's about as high IQ as you are.
Heat are the obvious ones.
Also the 2021-22 Lakers if genius Bronie hadn't traded away all their talent for Westbrook. He's about as high IQ as you are.
no they aren't. hows that obvious. they didnt have a single big man on the team. go look at the rosters.
and wade and bosh were often injured.
did you forget or did you not watch the games, talking out of your ass as per usual?
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:39 PM
no they aren't. hows that obvious. they didnt have a single big man on the team. go look at the rosters.
and wade and bosh were often injured.
did you forget or did you not watch the games, talking out of your ass as per usual?
So they wouldn't have won 55 games because their two star players MIGHT have gotten injured.
Lol. Great argument, genius.
hurr durr lebron played shit competition in the east
roy hibbert looked like prime shaq going up against the (literally) nonexistent frontcourt of the heat. with bosh out they didnt have a single bigman.
lebron and wade had to both put on GOAT performances at the same time to win that series due to bosh being injured and the heat not having any bigs
which they were more than capable of doing - they were both GOAT-tier players earning GOAT-tier bread while winning rings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH90fUpnH5I
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 11:40 PM
Only that Miami team would have been a playoff team without LeBron. 55 wins? Who knows, Wade by like 2012 was often banged up.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:42 PM
Only that Miami team would have been a playoff team without LeBron. 55 wins? Who knows, Wade by like 2012 was often banged up.
Lebron signed with the Heat in 2010.
So they wouldn't have won 55 games because their two star players MIGHT have gotten injured.
Lol. Great argument, genius.
even with bosh and wade completely healthy (never happened, only lebron was iron man) they wouldnt have won 55-games that season with that exact roster. again with wade and bosh completely healthy.
that was a flawed team.
my guy you are clueless and you just lost without even knowing it.
jordan is the only superstar in NBA history that had a team stacked enough and competition shitty enough that his supporting cast won 55-games without him - thats why jordan fans always use the "team-hopping" argument - of course jordan wouldnt team-hop from a team that could go to game 7 of the eastern conference semis without him :roll:
Only that Miami team would have been a playoff team without LeBron. 55 wins? Who knows, Wade by like 2012 was often banged up.
I just RIP'd that fool with evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH90fUpnH5I
wade and james 2 v 5'd that team and still murked them :roll:
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:44 PM
even with bosh and wade completely healthy (never happened, only lebron was iron man) they wouldnt have won 55-games that season with that exact roster. again with wade and bosh completely healthy.
that was a flawed team.
my guy you are clueless and you just lost without even knowing it.
jordan is the only superstar in NBA history that had a team stacked enough and competition shitty enough that his supporting cast won 55-games without him - thats why jordan fans always use the "team-hopping" argument - of course jordan wouldnt team-hop from a team that could go to game 7 of the eastern conference semis without him :roll:
He didn't team hop during the 1-9 years when the Bulls were a crap team either. How long did it take Bronie to jump ship from the Cavs to the Heat? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 11:44 PM
Lebron signed with the Heat in 2010.
I doubt Miami gets 55 wins with the talent they had around the big 3 in 2011. If memory serves correct, they had ancient Big Z and Bibby playing big minutes that year.
He didn't team hop during the 1-9 years when the Bulls were a crap team either. How long did it take Bronie to jump ship from the Cavs to the Heat? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
you sound like a complete ****ing idiot. :oldlol:
probably exactly what you are.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:46 PM
I doubt Miami gets 55 wins with the talent they had around the big 3 in 2011. If memory serves correct, they had ancient Big Z and Bibby playing big minutes that year.
Who knows. There's no definite answers to "what if" questions. It's all speculation. The Heat were a great team though, and had a decent chance at 55 wins.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:46 PM
you sound like a complete ****ing idiot. :oldlol:
probably exactly what you are.
Sounds like you give up. Every one of your "arguments" have been shot down. :lol
I doubt Miami gets 55 wins with the talent they had around the big 3 in 2011. If memory serves correct, they had ancient Big Z and Bibby playing big minutes that year.
Spoelstra was also a nobody bt compared to the likes of the veteran zenmaster phil jackson.
I doubt Miami gets 55 wins with the talent they had around the big 3 in 2011. If memory serves correct, they had ancient Big Z and Bibby playing big minutes that year.
absolutely ****ing impossible that they win 55-games without lebron.
in ANY of those years (2011, 2012, 2013, 2014)
I'm a huge wade fan and I know this for a fact.
wade literally said he had to take a backseat and let lebron take the reigns because they wouldnt win unless they did that (explaning lebron being passive in 2011 - he was trying to be a team-player and learned the hard way that he wasnt winning shit unless he went GOAT-mode every series. sitting back wont win shit.)
Sounds like you give up. Every one of your "arguments" have been shot down. :lol
you were wrong about everything....
are you retarded as well? there is no way any of those heat teams win 55-games without lebron with joel anthony as center and carlos arroyo or mario chalmers as pointguard when wade sits.
1987_Lakers
06-18-2022, 11:49 PM
My God, I just went back to see who was getting minutes on that 2011 team and almost puked.
Big Z
Bibby
Carlos Arroyo
Dampier
J. Anthony
James Jones
Their other forgotten addition that was supposed to be a big piece on that team Mike Miller missed half the season and was never really that good for them.
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:49 PM
you were wrong about everything....
are you retarded as well? there is no way any of those heat teams win 55-games without lebron with joel anthony as center and carlos arroyo or mario chalmers as pointguard when wade sits.
I wonder how they would have done in 2011 without Lebron choking the title away?
I wonder how they would have done in 2011 without Lebron choking the title away?
you're finished bro.
couldnt give me a single year out of the four that lebron's team would have won 55-games without him - after saying it was obvious. :oldlol:
just take your L as well.
kid obviously doesnt know shit.
(and posts too much with nothing to say).
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:53 PM
you're finished bro.
couldnt give me a single year out of the four that lebron's team would have won 55-games without him - after saying it was obvious. :oldlol:
just take your L as well.
Then you don't know how to read.
I said the Heat. That's 2011, 2012, 2013.
They were a stacked superteam. Take Bronie away, they still win 55 games in the weak East.
2013 Heat won 66 games. You're blinded by love for your hero. Either that or you just have a below average IQ.
My God, I just went back to see who was getting minutes on that 2011 team and almost puked.
Big Z
Bibby
Carlos Arroyo
Dampier
J. Anthony
James Jones
Their other forgotten addition that was supposed to be a big piece on that team Mike Miller missed half the season and was never really that good for them.
Regardless, 3ball is only going to say that scottie pippen is worse than those scrubs tho..
My God, I just went back to see who was getting minutes on that 2011 team and almost puked.
Big Z
Bibby
Carlos Arroyo
Dampier
J. Anthony
James Jones
Their other forgotten addition that was supposed to be a big piece on that team Mike Miller missed half the season and was never really that good for them.
mike miller is a legend but he wouldnt be much help during the regular season because he was hobbled when he was on the heat. he was a shooting specialist that they brought in when they needed offense, he was already a liability in some ways because he couldnt really run. I dont remember what his injury was, he always labored and wasnt a fit for the hyperathletic heat - until it was money time :roll:
Then you don't know how to read.
I said the Heat. That's 2011, 2012, 2013.
They were a stacked superteam. Take Bronie away, they still win 55 games in the weak East.
2013 Heat won 66 games. You're blinded by love for your hero. Either that or you just have a below average IQ.
dude. you're just wrong. the heat won 66 games and had a 27-win streak - BECAUSE lebron had the most efficient season in NBA history. easy MVP that year.
go look it up.
and you're wrong. AGAIN. there isnt a single year that the heat would win 50 games without lebron, let alone 55 games. :oldlol:
you virgin retard bitch. :oldlol:
Full Court
06-18-2022, 11:57 PM
dude. you're just wrong. the heat won 66 games and had a 27-win streak - BECAUSE lebron had the most efficient season in NBA history. easy MVP that year.
go look it up.
and you're wrong. AGAIN. there isnt a single year that the heat would win 50 games without lebron, let alone 55 games. :oldlol:
you virgin retard bitch. :oldlol:
I guess in your deluded mind Bronie jumped ship and went to the Heat because he wanted more of a challenge, right? Because winning with the Cavs was just to EASY?
No, genius. Because they were STACKED.
Man, the truth must really hurt.
I guess in your deluded mind Bronie jumped ship and went to the Heat because he wanted more of a challenge, right? Because winning with the Cavs was just to EASY?
No, genius. Because they were STACKED.
Man, the truth must really hurt.
my guy you have nothing to add.
you're just capitalizing the word STACKED.
how can a team be stacked when they can barely win a game without you? that was literally the case :oldlol:
If his teams were stacked, then they would simply still have a winning season after he leaves them. Was that the case for the 2010-11 cavs, the 2014-15 heat and the 2018-19 cavs? Go figure.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 07:51 AM
my guy you have nothing to add.
you're just capitalizing the word STACKED.
how can a team be stacked when they can barely win a game without you? that was literally the case :oldlol:
How can you say they weren't stacked? Wade and Bosch were top tier players. Most teams didn't have two stars. Lebron made it a three-star team. Yes, I realize the word "stacked" is subjective, but any reasonable person would say Lebron went to a stacked team. If not, why did he get so much criticism for "the decision"?
Full Court
06-19-2022, 07:54 AM
If his teams were stacked, then they would simply still have a winning season after he leaves them. Was that the case for the 2010-11 cavs, the 2014-15 heat and the 2018-19 cavs? Go figure.
Wow, the tiny brain of this guy never ceases to amaze me. Yeah, obviously the Cavs sucked, or Bronie wouldn't have jumped ship over to the stacked Heat. :biggums:
And then he talks about the 2014-2015 Heat like they were equal in talent to the 2011 Heat. Guess what, dingus, there's a reason Bronie jumped ship a second time. This shouldn't be hard to grasp. It's about as simple as the word "stamp."
I bolded the part that the redneck jizzrag has overlooked in one of the posts here earlier. Also notice how he's moved the goalposts. Imagine being so dumb now by trying deflect it like an idiot. :oldlol:
dude. you're just wrong. the heat won 66 games and had a 27-win streak - BECAUSE lebron had the most efficient season in NBA history. easy MVP that year.
go look it up.
and you're wrong. AGAIN. there isnt a single year that the heat would win 50 games without lebron, let alone 55 games. :oldlol:
you virgin retard bitch. :oldlol:
Yep, keep reading breitbart and not know who jeff lenchiner is. Btw you look like you are on your period again this morning. At least try to change those bloody tampons first so you can avoid being a moody bitch before engaging in these debates. :lol
My God, I just went back to see who was getting minutes on that 2011 team and almost puked.
Big Z
Bibby
Carlos Arroyo
Dampier
J. Anthony
James Jones
Their other forgotten addition that was supposed to be a big piece on that team Mike Miller missed half the season and was never really that good for them.
So it seems all these guys are capable of winning 55 games in the rs without their best teammate, after all. Our resident ISH jizzrag, a pretentious casual typing through his bloody tampon (as usual), thinks so...
I bolded the part that the redneck jizzrag has overlooked in one of the posts here earlier. Also notice how he's moved the goalposts. Imagine being so dumb now by trying deflect it like an idiot. :oldlol:
Yep, keep reading breitbart and not know who jeff lenchiner is. Btw you look like you are on your period again this morning. At least try to change those bloody tampons first so you can avoid being a moody bitch before engaging in these debates. :lol
yeah he's an idiot.
kid is barely speaking English.
How can you say they weren't stacked? Wade and Bosch were top tier players. Most teams didn't have two stars. Lebron made it a three-star team. Yes, I realize the word "stacked" is subjective, but any reasonable person would say Lebron went to a stacked team. If not, why did he get so much criticism for "the decision"?
you couldnt even spell bosh right. what a ****ing moron. :oldlol:
Rofl @bosch. :oldlol:
Was it this that he meant? What an idiot. The audacity to call out somebody else for having a tiny brain. :facepalm
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1vqC08V6-J7l_AdG_l3KKl7nGU89nacB6Jg&usqp=CAU
FilmyCogTurner
06-19-2022, 12:24 PM
the point I'm making
and everyone knows this,
is that those lakers were a clear shell of themselves.
its kind've a fact.
Had the Lakers won nobody would be saying anything negative about their roster. Fact is Vlade/Perkins were both excellent centers and to have one as replacement was a great help to the team never mind having another capable C as the backup.
Sure, LA lost Worthy/Scott in game 4 but with the Bulls already leading the series 2-1 and about to close out that game regardless of their injuries a Bulls 3-1 lead was imminent.
The reason you think the they were a shell of themselves is because they lost. Plain and simple. They knew they were done and it showed on the court.
And not to jump into your guys debate but that Heat team was stacked. Why else would they brag about winning 7 championships in a row. Even they knew they were stacked.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 12:26 PM
I bolded the part that the redneck jizzrag has overlooked in one of the posts here earlier. Also notice how he's moved the goalposts. Imagine being so dumb now by trying deflect it like an idiot. :oldlol:
Yep, keep reading breitbart and not know who jeff lenchiner is. Btw you look like you are on your period again this morning. At least try to change those bloody tampons first so you can avoid being a moody bitch before engaging in these debates. :lol
Axe: "Big words confusify me....I don't know what they done means. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :lebroncry:"
Keep melting down, dingus boy.
If you were actually literate, you'd see that I responded the Heat would have won 55 games in 2011, 2012, and 2013 without your hero Bronie.
You really are a beta. :lol
Shooter
06-19-2022, 01:05 PM
Rofl @bosch. :oldlol:
Was it this that he meant? What an idiot. The audacity to call out somebody else for having a tiny brain. :facepalm
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1vqC08V6-J7l_AdG_l3KKl7nGU89nacB6Jg&usqp=CAU
:roll: Gotta figure his small brain sometimes. He never graduated highschool
https://c.tenor.com/JMnkiGALoi8AAAAC/bleeding-period.gif
Guess what? Your genitals are bleeding once again. It's crystal clear you are still on you're period. So go change your tampons first before you type anything, asshole.
Anyway, no way those heat teams would win 55 games without lebron during the triumvirate era. Pre-2010, are you even aware of the big fact that the last time they won at least 50 games was when shaq was still playing for them? That's like at least four seasons before the decision happened. But nope, you don't. You were still a jizz during that time, unlike nowadays where you're trolling people here a lot older than you.
Stupid incel casual.
My God, I just went back to see who was getting minutes on that 2011 team and almost puked.
Big Z
Bibby
Carlos Arroyo
Dampier
J. Anthony
James Jones
Their other forgotten addition that was supposed to be a big piece on that team Mike Miller missed half the season and was never really that good for them.
Once again, it seems all these guys are capable of winning 55 games in the rs without their best teammate, after all. Our resident ISH jizzrag, a pretentious casual typing through his bloody tampon (as usual), thinks so...
tpols
06-19-2022, 05:13 PM
my guy you have nothing to add.
you're just capitalizing the word STACKED.
how can a team be stacked when they can barely win a game without you? that was literally the case :oldlol:
The Heat were considered a stacked team my guy. They literally proclaimed themselves to be a bill Russell dynasty level team.
https://youtu.be/EYe8B--jrbs
You re just a liar saying otherwise trying to reinvent what the truth was at the time.
Fit impacts individual production, team ceiling and overall winning.
8Ball
06-19-2022, 05:15 PM
Too many people believe Bron is #1 now.
At the sports bar last Thursday during the finals, there was a Bron vs Jordan GOAT debate that went on and on for 10-15 mins amongst viewers. These arguments will happen forever now.
There is no more consensus #1 for Jordan.
Another meltdown by Jordan stan.
8Ball
06-19-2022, 05:19 PM
LeBron won a championship vs a 73 win team that was part of the most stacked dynasty that ever existed in basketball.
Jordan doesn't have an accomplishment that great and that hurts.
The Heat were considered a stacked team my guy. They literally proclaimed themselves to be a bill Russell dynasty level team.
https://youtu.be/EYe8B--jrbs
You re just a liar saying otherwise trying to reinvent what the truth was at the time.
Fit impacts individual production, team ceiling and overall winning.
Im a huge heat fan
dwade and lebron shat on the league
that 27 game win streak was disgusting lebron and wade just putting on GOAT mode game after GOAT mode game
their bigman rotation was so bad that a scrub like roy hibbert used to take regular dumps
every bigman in the league was shitting on the heat those years - bosh wasnt exactly a great defender against centers :oldlol:
Shooter
06-19-2022, 05:44 PM
Too many people believe Bron is #1 now.
At the sports bar last Thursday during the finals, there was a Bron vs Jordan GOAT debate that went on and on for 10-15 mins amongst viewers. These arguments will happen forever now.
There is no more consensus #1 for Jordan.
Another meltdown by Jordan stan.
+1
For anyone that's been living under a rock for 30 years or simply low IQ (3ball), show them this:
https://i.postimg.cc/zD4f1CMg/LePlayoff_Goat_LeFirst.png
Cemented consensus
Full Court
06-19-2022, 08:35 PM
Guess what? Your genitals are bleeding once again. It's crystal clear you are still on you're period. So go change your tampons first before you type anything, asshole.
Anyway, no way those heat teams would win 55 games without lebron during the triumvirate era. Pre-2010, are you even aware of the big fact that the last time they won at least 50 games was when shaq was still playing for them? That's like at least four seasons before the decision happened. But nope, you don't. You were still a jizz during that time, unlike nowadays where you're trolling people here a lot older than you.
Stupid incel casual.
Once again, it seems all these guys are capable of winning 55 games in the rs without their best teammate, after all. Our resident ISH jizzrag, a pretentious casual typing through his bloody tampon (as usual), thinks so...
Axe: "Me severely autistic. Me don't know what autistic means, but me is it, and me angry dingus. :lebroncry:"
Face the facts - Bronie went to a STACKED Heat team. One of the most shameless acts of ring hunting ever along with Durant going to the Warriors. And your hero STILL couldn't catch MJ. :lol
Truth hurts, dingus boy.
He's on another bloody period-esque meltdown again, guys. He just can't stop his tantrums no more.
:roll: Gotta figure his small brain sometimes. He never graduated highschool
Oof. Sounds like he got disowned too.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 10:14 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/6hnq7a.jpg
:roll::roll:
Shooter
06-19-2022, 10:23 PM
He's on another bloody period-esque meltdown again, guys. He just can't stop his tantrums no more.
Oof. Sounds like he got disowned too.
I wouldn't be surprised if Full Court didn't graduate high school. Not even 1% surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised if Full Court didn't graduate high school. Not even 1% surprised.
That seems a very good reason/explanation on why his vocabulary is so limited when it comes to trolling, slick. Repeating the same insult over and over is just banal af.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Full Court didn't graduate high school. Not even 1% surprised.
Even someone with an 8th grade education would be 7 levels ahead of Axey-dingus. :lol
So you never answered my question, Spooter. Do you have to wear a man bra because of your breast-area fat deposits caused by low test/high estrogen.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 10:32 PM
That seems a very good reason/explanation on why his vocabulary is so limited when it comes to trolling, slick. Repeating the same insult over and over is just banal af.
Axe: "Me don't know what the word "stamp" means. Me don't know what dingus means either, but me hate it when my daddy Full Court calls me that. :lebroncry:"
:lebronamazed:
Shooter
06-19-2022, 10:35 PM
Even someone with an 8th grade education would be 7 levels ahead of Axey-dingus. :lol
So you never answered my question, Spooter. Do you have to wear a man bra because of your breast-area fat deposits caused by low test/high estrogen.
You're cute.
Honest question: Did you graduate high school? Did you go to college?
Even someone with an 8th grade education
You don't say. :biggums:
Well, at least he's admitted to not finishing jr. high school yet, explaining his outright immaturity as a rookie redneck jizzrag poster itb. What an idiot. :oldlol:
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:00 PM
You're cute.
Honest question: Did you graduate high school? Did you go to college?
You answer my question, and I'll answers yours, Spooter.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:02 PM
You don't say. :biggums:
Well, at least he's admitted to not finishing jr. high school yet, explaining his outright immaturity as a rookie redneck jizzrag poster itb. What an idiot. :oldlol:
How low-level of an education do you have to have to not know what "stamp" means? :roll:
Idk. :confusedshrug:
But you sure do seem more triggered about it than when a more mature poster kept on pointing out that you have wilt as top 3 all-time on your fugly book. ;)
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:13 PM
Idk. :confusedshrug:
But you sure do seem more triggered about it than when a more mature poster kept on pointing out that you have wilt as top 3 all-time on your fugly book. ;)
^Lol at this dingus trying to deflect attention from the fact that he didn't know what "stamp" meant. :roll:
Ain't gonna work, dingus boy.
So who's jeff lenchiner again?
Shooter
06-19-2022, 11:21 PM
So who's jeff lenchiner again?
:roll:
I'm pretty sure Full Tard is 45 but has the education level of an 8th grader.
:roll:
I'm pretty sure Full Tard is 45 but has the education level of an 8th grader.
:yaohappy:
He's probably a drop-out, got disowned by his family and was rejected by his lover too. Having severe meltdowns about kong and the bronies itb is just his coping mechanism here, slick.
3ba11
06-19-2022, 11:24 PM
.
According to the mainstream:
Many guys have more rings than Lebron
Many guys are better scorers
Several guys pass better
Many guys are more clutch
Many guys employ a superior brand of ball movement
Many guys needed less help to win
So how is he consensus #2???..
Shooter
06-19-2022, 11:24 PM
:yaohappy:
He's probably a drop-out, got disowned by his family and was rejected by his lover too. Having severe meltdowns about kong and the bronies itb is just his coping mechanism here, slick.
I agree with your assessment, slick. Nice detective work, it checks out.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:27 PM
So who's jeff lenchiner again?
I'll bet Jeff Lenchiner knows what the word "stamp" means.
I'll bet he also knows that proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized. You know, stuff kids usually learn in FIRST GRADE.
:roll: What a dingus.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:28 PM
:roll:
I'm pretty sure Full Tard is 45 but has the education level of an 8th grader.
Serious question, Spooter. Does being fat, bald, and diabetic make it hard to find dates? Asking because I can help you beef up your Tinder profile if you want. :roll:
I agree with your assessment, slick. Nice detective work, it checks out.
No big, slick. The saddest thing about it is that he keeps on showing this embarrassment, by not being able to leave posters he deem to be "dumb" because they're not melting down about kong. Like us. :cry:
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:40 PM
No big, slick. The saddest thing about it is that he keeps on showing this embarrassment, by not being able to leave posters he deem to be "dumb" because they're not melting down about kong. Like us. :cry:
^This dingus has been melting down over Bronie for as long as I've been on this board.
And if you weren't "dumb", I wouldn't have to always educate you. You should thank me, really. If if weren't for me giving you the definition, you wouldn't even know what "stamp" means.
Full Court
06-19-2022, 11:54 PM
Who's Bosch btw?
Someone who carried your hero Bronie to two of his titles. :lol
Dingus.
How was mvp ja morant for the 2022 season?
Full Court
06-20-2022, 12:19 AM
How was mvp ja morant for the 2022 season?
:lol He made it to the second round of the playoffs with a team full of nobodies. How far did your hero Bronie make it in the playoffs with his super team?
:roll:
This dingus loses every exchange we have. :lebronamazed:
A 'team full of nobodies' that went 20-5 without him in the rs. Mvp doe. :lol
Anyway...
https://vevmo.com/sites/default/files/styles/adaptive/public/upload/pot-and-kettle.png?itok=uQW-ylk2
outofstomach
06-20-2022, 07:08 AM
Nobody currently creates more open shots for his teammates than Curry with all the defensive attention he gets.
This is a retarded debate, you are comparing a 2x MVP and a guy who just put up MJ numbers in the Finals to a guy who was never even considered a top 5 player in the NBA while he was playing.
wow you’re genuinely braindead
Full Court
06-20-2022, 09:12 AM
A 'team full of nobodies' that went 20-5 without him in the rs. Mvp doe. :lol
Anyway...
https://vevmo.com/sites/default/files/styles/adaptive/public/upload/pot-and-kettle.png?itok=uQW-ylk2
You sound upset that Morant outshined Bronie all season long. :lol
Truth hurts, dingus.
wow you’re genuinely braindead
Seems a lot more accurate in describing the poster directly below you.
Full Court
06-20-2022, 10:30 AM
Seems a lot more accurate in describing the poster directly below you.
^Weeping dingus. :lol
"Can somebody please tell me what the word stamp means? :lebroncry:"
https://i.ibb.co/RYskgdg/IMG-20220620-232347.jpg
Odd enough, one user has made a shocking discovery that for every reply made there's more copium to be inhaled. :confusedshrug:
Full Court
06-20-2022, 01:19 PM
Watch Axe get triggered. :lol
Bronie is a chronic loser.
Morant for MVP.
Wilt Chamberlain top 5 of all time.
https://www.breitbart.com
What a dingus. :roll:
Bacchus
06-20-2022, 01:39 PM
love how people overate Pippen to diminish Jordan's accomplishments. Pippen went from winning a ring in 1998 to getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs. He played with two Hall of Famers Barkley and Hakeem and did nothing. Barkley and Hakeem were in the same draft class as Jordan. So age was not a factor
Bacchus
06-20-2022, 01:52 PM
The only reason Lebron beat the Spurs is because Ray Allen hit a game tying three in the fourth quarter to send the game into overtime. Lebron played a terrible last 5 minutes of the game. Just watch Lebron's post game interview after game 6. He even said himself that he played terrible down the stretch
Bacchus
06-20-2022, 05:00 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1649603-comparing-lebron-james-playoff-buzzer-beating-shots-to-michael-jordans-best
Good article on who was more clutch Jordan or James
3ba11
06-20-2022, 05:11 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1649603-comparing-lebron-james-playoff-buzzer-beating-shots-to-michael-jordans-best
Good article on who was more clutch Jordan or James
Last 5 within 5 Playoffs
06-18' Lebron....... 40% on 3.0 attempts per game
97-98' Jordan....... 48% on 3.6 attempts per game
So old Jordan had 20% higher burden and still shot much better in the clutch
Let me know if you need sources but it's readily available on basketball-reference and stats.nba.com
Jordan is also 9-18 on game-winners so his efficiency doesn't drop with the game on the line - Otoh, Lebron's efficiency gets cut in half with the game on the line
Most importantly, Jordan is 4-8 in the Finals and Lebron is 0-10.. So Lebron isn't clutch on the championship level
Btw, Jordan's fearlessness was contagious v- Paxson, Kukoc and Kerr always made their game-winners while Korver and Marshall bricked.. This is also due to brand of ball - predictable kickouts with the game on the line are off-rhythm and don't work as well as organic chemistry looks
Last 5 within 5 Playoffs
06-18' Lebron....... 40% on 3.0 attempts per game
97-98' Jordan....... 48% on 3.6 attempts per game
So old Jordan had 20% higher burden and still shot much better in the clutch
Let me know if you need sources but it's readily available on basketball-reference and stats.nba.com
Jordan is also 9-18 on game-winners so his efficiency doesn't drop with the game on the line - Otoh, Lebron's efficiency gets cut in half with the game on the line
Most importantly, Jordan is 4-8 in the Finals and Lebron is 0-10.. So Lebron isn't clutch on the championship level
who was he playing and who did he beat though?
why you always gotta duck that question?
I told about the copium intake and it is very accurate.
Bacchus
06-20-2022, 06:08 PM
Based on this
In Game 6, the Spurs took a double-digit lead in the third quarter, and Miami seemed cooked.
It fought back to make things competitive, but down the stretch, James had a series of miscues.
In the last 4:01, he missed three of four shot attempts and committed three turnovers, and with seconds left, the Heat were down to their final hope, trailing by three points.
James missed a 3-pointer with 7.9 seconds remaining, but Chris Bosh grabbed the rebound and got the ball to Ray Allen, who at the time was arguably the greatest outside shooter ever.
Allen backed up behind the 3-point line, released the ball and connected on perhaps the most clutch shot in Finals history.
Based on this
In Game 6, the Spurs took a double-digit lead in the third quarter, and Miami seemed cooked.
It fought back to make things competitive, but down the stretch, James had a series of miscues.
In the last 4:01, he missed three of four shot attempts and committed three turnovers, and with seconds left, the Heat were down to their final hope, trailing by three points.
James missed a 3-pointer with 7.9 seconds remaining, but Chris Bosh grabbed the rebound and got the ball to Ray Allen, who at the time was arguably the greatest outside shooter ever.
Allen backed up behind the 3-point line, released the ball and connected on perhaps the most clutch shot in Finals history.
go watch that full 4th quarter
lebron singlehandedly brought the heat back from being down 10 at the start of the quarter - their season was cooked before he went off
go watch it :oldlol:
of course he'd be completely gassed after going berserk erasing a 10point deficit with the season on the line :oldlol:
Shooter
06-20-2022, 06:11 PM
Based on this
In Game 6, the Spurs took a double-digit lead in the third quarter, and Miami seemed cooked.
It fought back to make things competitive, but down the stretch, James had a series of miscues.
In the last 4:01, he missed three of four shot attempts and committed three turnovers, and with seconds left, the Heat were down to their final hope, trailing by three points.
James missed a 3-pointer with 7.9 seconds remaining, but Chris Bosh grabbed the rebound and got the ball to Ray Allen, who at the time was arguably the greatest outside shooter ever.
Allen backed up behind the 3-point line, released the ball and connected on perhaps the most clutch shot in Finals history.
You started at 4 minutes and then jumped to 7.9 seconds :lol
Cutie. Did you forget LeBron's 3-pointer at 25 seconds to bring the game within striking distance? I bet you did :pimp:
here I'll even help you - this is the start of the 4th quarter of that game - the entire game is online :oldlol::
https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=4769
65-75 spurs lead
lebron goes berserk
ray allen hits a 3
haters still crying to this day
Shooter
06-20-2022, 06:26 PM
65-75 spurs lead
lebron goes berserk
ray allen hits a 3
haters still crying to this day
And WHATEVER you do....Don't tell'm there was a game 7 :roll: They forget that part :roll:
Lebron had 37/12/4 on 52/50/100 splits in a game 7 of the Finals.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6555
van gundy says lebron in the 4th quarter "he has absolutely willed his team back in the game"
its all right there folks. :roll:
down 10 at the start of the quarter - win the game
ELIMNATION GAME JAMES
undefeated in game 7 of the NBA finals with a 2-0 record putting up GOAT performances every time his back was against the wall
And WHATEVER you do....Don't tell'm there was a game 7 :roll: They forget that part
Lebron had 37/12/4 on 52/50/100 splits in a game 7 of the Finals.
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
they dont even have shit any more
we body-bagged the body-bag that they were already in
double-bagged these hoes
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
Shooter
06-20-2022, 06:30 PM
they dont even have shit any more
we body-bagged the body-bag that they were already in
double-bagged these hoes
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
double body bagged these hoes :roll: I love it hahahaahah
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
16 points in that 4th quarter blocked duncan started the fastbreak hits a clutch three
what cant he do
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/sXW1hR1W/KG_Mean_mug.gif
HIS THREE-POINTER - BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/511Tf9VPFcL._AC_.jpg
Shooter
06-20-2022, 07:01 PM
HIS THREE-POINTER - BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/511Tf9VPFcL._AC_.jpg
One of my favorite Heat players.
ray allen is a certified soul-snatcher
skip admits he still cries to this day thinking about "my spurs"
shut the **** up you weak old man :roll:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1230881477786820608/LLbfM9Sa_400x400.jpg
3ba11
06-20-2022, 08:29 PM
.
In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit
His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to force Game 7..
If Ray misses, Lebron's 23 on 43% and loss as the favorite would be his 5th major choke or horrible performance (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 13' Finals)
Furthermore, Wade was a near-equal scoring partner that attracted near-equal attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals or won without elite 1st option as sidekick).. He only averaged 25 on 45% overall and wasn't dominant.. He also had a zero plus-minus and net negative net rating, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.
.
In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit
His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to force Game 7..
If Ray misses, Lebron's 23 on 43% and loss would be his 5th major choke or horrible performance (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 13' Finals)
you rang?
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/511Tf9VPFcL._AC_.jpg
just deal with it bro.
you lost.
https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6555
van gundy says lebron in the 4th quarter "he has absolutely willed his team back in the game"
its all right there folks. :roll:
3ba11
06-20-2022, 08:35 PM
https://youtu.be/H56iR3188P0?t=6555
van gundy says lebron in the 4th quarter "he has absolutely willed his team back in the game"
its all right there folks. :roll:
If Ray misses, Lebron's 23 on 43% and loss as the favorite would be his 5th major choke or horrible performance (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 13' Finals)
If Ray misses, Lebron's 23 on 43% and loss as the favorite would be his 5th major choke or horrible performance (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 13' Finals)
but what happened?
that's right - deal with it bitch :oldlol:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/511Tf9VPFcL._AC_.jpg
three finals MVPs on three different franchises
meanwhile baldan has zero rings without his 55-win supporting cast :applause:
Shooter
06-20-2022, 09:17 PM
.
In the 13' Finals, Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit
His 23 on 43% was insufficient through 6 games and needed Ray Allen to force Game 7..
If Ray misses, Lebron's 23 on 43% and loss as the favorite would be his 5th major choke or horrible performance (07' Finals, 08' ECSF, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 13' Finals)
Furthermore, Wade was a near-equal scoring partner that attracted near-equal attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals or won without elite 1st option as sidekick).. He only averaged 25 on 45% overall and wasn't dominant.. He also had a zero plus-minus and net negative net rating, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.
I want to see 3ball's live reaction when he learns about the other side of the ball (defense). He's always tugging on his wiener about PPG and PTS while totally forgetting half the game.
3ball, do you even know that defense is part of basketball?
I want to see 3ball's live reaction when he learns about the other side of the ball (defense). He's always tugging on his wiener about PPG and PTS while totally forgetting half the game.
3ball, do you even know that defense is part of basketball?
he has a low IQ at this point its a given that he will never learn.
we just troll him for fun :roll:
r15mohd
06-20-2022, 11:21 PM
he has a low IQ at this point its a given that he will never learn.
we just troll him for fun :roll:
it's honestly to the point where you can pull up his own quotes from the past to serve as rebuttal to his new threads ... that's the most bizarre thing about him over the years. he's 180 on everything but MJ
it's honestly to the point where you can pull up his own quotes from the past to serve as rebuttal to his new threads ... that's the most bizarre thing about him over the years. he's 180 on everything but MJ
He can't make arguments for kobe over lebron anymore. That's why he uses mj as a cover-up to him.
it's honestly to the point where you can pull up his own quotes from the past to serve as rebuttal to his new threads ... that's the most bizarre thing about him over the years. he's 180 on everything but MJ
he's actually retarded
I've literally upgraded my life 5 times since I've started going back and forth with him years ago
I'm convinced he posts from a mental asylum at this point :oldlol:
Full Court
06-21-2022, 06:39 AM
he's actually retarded
I've literally upgraded my life 5 times since I've started going back and forth with him years ago
I'm convinced he posts from a mental asylum at this point :oldlol:
Having read a bunch of posts from both you and 3ball, I can tell you that 3ball is WAY more intelligent than you are. He ethers you and your boy Spooter on a daily basis.
The truth really does hurt. :lebroncry:
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