So at what point is defense just impossible?

[Kblaze8855]

I’m sure many if not all of you have seen these kids already but just in case….




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In 20 years…when every kid has been working on that shot since they were 7….


The opposition sticks one at 35 feet.

How many would he have to make before you commit to an every play defensive scheme that has you stretched that far?

Most teams now have someone who can do that. But it isn’t their specialty honed since birth.

There may never come a time many people can do it off the dribble at a Steph rate consistently but if a guy like say…Duncan Robinson….can just wet 35 footers at say 36% do you have to build your entire defense to stop it and just let the spacing behind kill you?

When those kids are entire draft classes…..will spacing make slashers the kind of unstoppable we only think they are right now?

Long question short…..are we only at the beginning?

[Thenameless]

I’m sure many if not all of you have seen these kids already but just in case….




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In 20 years…when every kid has been working on that shot since they were 7….


The opposition sticks one at 35 feet.

How many would he have to make before you commit to an every play defensive scheme that has you stretched that far?

Most teams now have someone who can do that. But it isn’t their specialty honed since birth.

There may never come a time many people can do it off the dribble at a Steph rate consistently but if a guy like say…Duncan Robinson….can just wet 35 footers at say 36% do you have to build your entire defense to stop it and just let the spacing behind kill you?

When those kids are entire draft classes…..will spacing make slashers the kind of unstoppable we only think they are right now?

Long question short…..are we only at the beginning?

Let's just say that one day, Steph Curry will only be considered the start, and not the best.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Eventually the 3pt line is gonna be farther back, it's just inevitable.

I dont think the league will ever be that gimmicky.

Plus as offense evolves defense will evolve to mitigate it. It's not like dudes are just gonna be throwing up half court shots or getting wide open dunks all game. 3s and long 3s will continue to ve a major part of the game but I don't see anything drastically different 20 years from now.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m not sure what you do with half court when you move it back though. Alter the over and back rules perhaps? Guys are so worried about spacing the my will often run plays with a guy 2 steps over the line. Guys setting up at like 38 feet isn’t unusual most just aren’t gonna shoot it. You back the line up guys are gonna have to account for the backcourt violation. Be helpful for defense I guess. Replace the baseline as your 6th defender.

[Shogon]

Yes, we are only at the beginning.

The guys that were literal children watching Steph win MVP in 2015 aren't even old enough for high school ball yet.

And as he inspired people that inevitably will try to do / are successful in mostly doing what he did, those people will inspire more and more and it will just snowball.

In 20-30 years the league will be unrecognizable without some major adjustments / rule changes.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yes, we are only at the beginning.

The guys that were literal children watching Steph win MVP in 2015 aren't even old enough for high school ball yet.

And as he inspired people that inevitably try to do / are successful in mostly doing what he did, those people will inspire more and more and it will just snowball.

In 20-30 years the league will be unrecognizable without some major adjustments / rule changes.


I fear theyll be literal senior citizens before he wins FMVP.

[Im Still Ballin]

Rick Pitino fullcourt press circa Knicks '88-'89.

[FultzNationRISE]

Rick Pitino fullcourt press circa Knicks '88-'89.

**** I literally was just about to add that!

We are SO officially each other’s alts now :cheers: :rockon:

[Kblaze8855]

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Pitono forcing 25 turnovers vs the Bulls with that press but still losing by 10. They handled it better in games Pippen played.

[Im Still Ballin]

I watched the entirety of the Celtics vs. Knicks 1988 first-round playoff matchup. Boston were too skilled with guys like Ainge, DJ, and Bird passing and dribbling out of the traps.

It seems like the fullcourt press can be effective in short spurts. Works well to increase the pace of the game and make it more chaotic. Teams with a short, top-heavy rotation could be susceptible to it.

[Baller789]

Or they could remove the 3 point line altogether.

[bison]

This is the future of basketball. Both teams will line up on the opposite ends of the court and heave full court and half court shots for 48 minutes, neither team crossing center court for any reason. In fact the nba will make it a violation.

[Round Mound]

Or they could remove the 3 point line altogether.

This

[FultzNationRISE]

Or they could remove the 3 point line altogether.


They *could*.

But theres no way in hell they *will*.

[Baller789]

They *could*.

But theres no way in hell they *will*.

C'mon man, think about it. The more these new age players range's extend, the only way to counter that is to remove the line. You could only move the line so far back as it would become a backcourt violation or become a bomb fest. That or implement some gimmicky solutions like timed a 3point availability or hot spots. That would be too arcadey.

[Taurus]

At the current rate, they most likely would have to push the 3pt line back or lower the points gained to like 2.5

[3ba11]

The first gif is a completely uncontested shot

There's a reason that Curry goes on long droughts - guys decide to start guarding him

Unlike 2-pointers, most 3-point attempts aren't contested (closest defender within 4 feet), according to NBA.com.. So threes generally need to be open, which means that any individual defender can make up his mind to stick to a shooter - only good scheming and/or ball movement will shake the shooter free

[bullettooth]

Make 3 pointers worth 1 point. Mid range shots worth 2 and anything in the paint worth 3.

[WhiteKyrie]

Or they could remove the 3 point line altogether.

Come full circle, agreed. And even with the range, this stuff isn’t sustainable.

[Spurs m8]

Just need to play D further up the court tbh

More full court press

Let defenders defend

Can combat that shit

Having said all this, if the league doesn't let defenders defend, it will become unwatchable...

Need to get rid of Silver...and put in someone who's actually played sport in their life...who understands what will make more money is proper competition...thats WHY people watch sport....not to see stupid scoring...bald idiot

[Kblaze8855]

The first gif is a completely uncontested shot

Who expects to need defense against children just over half court? That’s the point. Shooters are developing so much range defenses will have to account for too much space between them to keep offenses in check. If they actually make the floor bigger as they discuss and you can bomb from 30 feet in all directions “layup line” would be literal and not hyperbole. And a bigger floor is more likely than moving the line when guys range already had them having to account for the half court line.

[Kblaze8855]

Just need to play D further up the court tbh

More full court press

Let defenders defend

Can combat that shit

Having said all this, if the league doesn't let defenders defend, it will become unwatchable...

Need to get rid of Silver...and put in someone who's actually played sport in their life...who understands what will make more money is proper competition...thats WHY people watch sport....not to see stupid scoring...bald idiot


The nba is gonna sign a 75 billion dollar rights deal up from the 24 billion that broke sports contracts when we all gasped hearing nobodies getting 100 million.

Luka is gonna sign a 400 million dollar deal one day.

Silver is making the owners too rich to think he’s going away.

[FilmyCogTurner]

I don't see what the issue is. The defense now knows player X has range and now has to either decide to defend the three even further out or give up the drive to the basket. Smart play by the shooter to put that kind of pressure on the defense if they can hit that shot with some kind of consistency.

[Norcaliblunt]

41 games with the 3 point line and 41 games without it. In a playoff series its every other game until game seven when home team gets to choose.

Here you would have variety of different schemes and skills displayed game to game. It’s like baseball with the different parks and their advantages and disadvantages that determine style of play.

Pretty simple solution actually.