At this point I would rather have Wizards MJ on this Laker team rather than Roid

[bison]

Every game the Lakers put in no-effort to half-effort performances. You think even 38 year old MJ would have tolerated this? He would have whipped these boys into respectable play off seeding. He didn't have the talent in Washington, but with this squad he would have a motivated AD, Dwight, Melo and Russ. That's a 3-4th seed squad and potential finals contender right there.

[RogueBorg]

Every game the Lakers put in no-effort to half-effort performances. You think even 38 year old MJ would have tolerated this? He would have whipped these boys into respectable play off seeding. He didn't have the talent in Washington, but with this squad he would have a motivated AD, Dwight, Melo and Russ. That's a 3-4th seed squad and potential finals contender right there.

https://c.tenor.com/DbzR-s9W3YgAAAAM/im-coming-fred-sanford.gif

[Gudo]

Must be hard for true lakers fans that care about winning. Meanwhile, true lakers fans have to deal with the stans that rejoice over Lebron's stats while the lakers lose. It's double the insult and damage.

[Johnny32]

22 ppg on 22 shots per gm.

i don't believe you.

[Gudo]

22 ppg on 22 shots per gm.

i don't believe you.

Look at where the Lakers are at now. It's not like Lebron is relying on Jahidi White, Whitney and Popeye to help them win games. He has a decent lineup even without AD.

[Johnny32]

Look at where the Lakers are at now. It's not like Lebron is relying on Jahidi White, Whitney and Popeye to help them win games. He has a decent lineup even without AD.

it isn't 2001 clownboy. look at the opposing rosters.

[Johnny32]

let's check out this "help" though just for fun.

westbrook - probably the lowest bball iq and least efficient second option in the nba.
melo - as old as lebron
monk - couldn't get mins on a lottery team last yr

that's your top 3 scorers after lebron. all horrifically bad defenders also.

[RogueBorg]

Look at where the Lakers are at now. It's not like Lebron is relying on Jahidi White, Whitney and Popeye to help them win games. He has a decent lineup even without AD.

How did 2007 Lebron lead the Cavs and that sorry bunch to the Finals yet these current Lakers are gonna miss the Finals?

Have we been lied to about how good that Cavs team actually was? Hmmmm very interesting

[Johnny32]

fun fact: karl malone (also 38 yrs old) led his team to a better record than jordone led the the wizards to in 2002.

malone - 22.4 ppg on 53 ts%, 8.6 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.7 bpg
jordone - 22.9 ppg on 47 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

[1987_Lakers]

fun fact: karl malone (also 38 yrs old) led his team to a better record than jordone led the the wizards to in 2002.

malone - 22.4 ppg on 53 ts%, 8.6 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.7 bpg
jordone - 22.9 ppg on 47 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

:oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

2002 jordan pre injury? For sure 100%

2003 jordan with knee problems, i take lebron

[2much_knowledge]

fun fact: karl malone (also 38 yrs old) led his team to a better record than jordone led the the wizards to in 2002.

malone - 22.4 ppg on 53 ts%, 8.6 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.7 bpg
jordone - 22.9 ppg on 47 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

Did malone get injured.??????? Numbers w/o context do NOT work

[beasted]

Must be hard for true lakers fans that care about winning. Meanwhile, true lakers fans have to deal with the stans that rejoice over Lebron's stats while the lakers lose. It's double the insult and damage.

Definitely. The real fans have to put up with a clown show. I think they would rather go back to the Ingram, Randle days with no expectations than suffer with winning expectations just to have their balloon popped.

[1987_Lakers]

Did malone get injured.??????? Numbers w/o context do NOT work

"2muchknowledge" my ass.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1771467

Malone put up those numbers with a broken hand.

[Johnny32]

rip - 20 ppg on 51 ts%
mj - 22 ppg on 47 ts%

maybe duh wizards win more games if mj shot less and rip more?

[Johnny32]

rip - 20 ppg on 51 ts%
mj - 22 ppg on 47 ts%

maybe duh wizards win more games if mj shot less and rip more?

stackhouse's quote about the following season seems to suggest this to be the case.

"So, pretty much everything that Michael wanted to do [we did]. We got off to a pretty good start and he didn't like the way the offense was running because it was running a little bit more through me. He wanted to get a little more isolations for him on the post, of course, so we had more isolations for him on the post. And it just kind of spiraled in a way that I didn't enjoy that season at all."

[Spurs m8]

Must be hard for true lakers fans that care about winning. Meanwhile, true lakers fans have to deal with the stans that rejoice over Lebron's stats while the lakers lose. It's double the insult and damage.

Absolutely this.

Having the lowest common denominator of fan pretending to be a fan of your team, all while being happy with a loss...

The true cockroach of fans, in every way

[3ba11]

People don't seem to realize that the Wizards won 18 more games in 2002

Organic journeys begin when a player carries a 15-win team to 35 wins like 04' Lebron, 85' Jordan, 02' Jordan or rookie Curry, and many other players.

No one has ever carried a 15-win team to the title - they have to get the team to about .500 first

[AlternativeAcc.]

People don't seem to realize that the Wizards won 18 more games in 2002

Organic journeys begin when a player carries a 15-win team to 35 wins like 04' Lebron, 85' Jordan, 02' Jordan or rookie Curry, and many other players.

No one has ever carried a 15-win team to the title - they have to get the team to about .500 first
2019 Lakers were 9-18 without LeBron

He had them at 4th seed when healthy, and won the title the next year

[3ba11]

2019 Lakers were 9-18 without LeBron

He had them at 4th seed when healthy, and won the title the next year


Lebron was 29-28 when healthy in 2019, which was nowhere near the 4 seed

Then AD lifted the team from lottery to champion in 2020 by leading the team on both ends

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron was 29-28 when healthy in 2019, which was nowhere near the 4 seed

Then AD lifted the team from lottery to champion in 2020 by leading the team on both ends

Why couldn't AD lift other supposed lottery teams in his 7 years prior to joining LeBron

LeBron was 21-14 healthy, and they were 9-18 without him

Those are the facts

[3ba11]

Why couldn't AD lift other supposed lottery teams in his 7 years prior to joining LeBron

LeBron was 21-14 healthy, and they were 9-18 without him

Those are the facts


Why couldn't Lebron have more Finals runs than Iverson, Kidd or Dwight before the "decision" to stack the deck, where Wade taught him how to act and perform under pressure?

Lebron never brought anyone titles - he simply amassed enough talent to win (talent-based winning... all-star team strategy).. his superstar teammates brought him titles and vice versa, especially Wade and AD

[Airupthere]

Why couldn't Lebron have more Finals runs than Iverson, Kidd or Dwight before the "decision" to stack the deck, where Wade taught him how to act and perform under pressure?

Lebron never brought anyone titles - he simply amassed enough talent to win (talent-based winning... all-star team strategy).. his superstar teammates brought him titles and vice versa, especially Wade and AD

This encapsulates concisely Lebron's entire career.

[Spurs m8]

This encapsulates concisely Lebron's entire career.

Nail on the head.

Then to add insult to injury, once his other superstar talent started dropping off a little, he ran for the hills and restacked with more prime superstar talent.

Absolutely shameless hahahahah

If he pulled that young Lakers team to some success, he may have gained some respect.
But it just exposed what we all knew instead, so he svcked off AD to get him to carry him

[Airupthere]

Nail on the head.

Then to add insult to injury, once his other superstar talent started dropping off a little, he ran for the hills and restacked with more prime superstar talent.

Absolutely shameless hahahahah

If he pulled that young Lakers team to some success, he may have gained some respect.
But it just exposed what we all knew instead, so he svcked off AD to get him to carry him

Seriously, they call this fraud a King when he keeps abandoning ship. Lol. He can't keep it together in his own kingdom that results into blame game then he moves out. Dafuq is that all about? Lol.

[Baller789]

How did 2007 Lebron lead the Cavs and that sorry bunch to the Finals yet these current Lakers are gonna miss the Finals?

Have we been lied to about how good that Cavs team actually was? Hmmmm very interesting


fun fact: karl malone (also 38 yrs old) led his team to a better record than jordone led the the wizards to in 2002.

malone - 22.4 ppg on 53 ts%, 8.6 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.7 bpg
jordone - 22.9 ppg on 47 ts%, 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg

Funny how Johnny boi and co. Keep dodging this reality.

Pretty telling about their state of mind.

[RogueBorg]

Funny how Johnny boi and co. Keep dodging this reality.

Pretty telling about their state of mind.

Yeah, they can't answer so they deflect and throw out Red Herrings.

[GimmeThat]

the Lakers have size but somehow they're only willing to slow it down when Anthony Davis is in the game, proving the credit of the showtime Lakers goes to KAJ more than Magic Johnson. but then, what does the Buss family know anyway, they'd been perfectly content with the franchise showing suicidal tendencies, not for sake of maximizing talent, but creating storylines of a feel good stories because they utilize the tactic that when players are criticized and not loved, they are motivated, regardless of whether or not they are being mistreated.


and Westbrook should be moved to the 2 because they need him to stop the opposing team from shooting more 3's more than anything else.

[ImKobe]

rip - 20 ppg on 51 ts%
mj - 22 ppg on 47 ts%

maybe duh wizards win more games if mj shot less and rip more?

Wizards in '02 were 7 - 15 without MJ. MJ averaged 25 ppg before his injury and they were on pace to make the POs. He came back at the end of the season to play ~20 mpg off the bench which tanked his averages.

[RogueBorg]

2019 Lakers were 9-18 without LeBron

He had them at 4th seed when healthy, and won the title the next year

No way, you're not getting "Lebron gets a pass for 2019 because of injury" when you don't give MJ a pass for 2002 because of injury. Stay consistent. Jordan missed the playoffs in 2002, Lebron missed the playoffs in 2019.

MJ missed the playoffs 2x
Lebron missed the playoffs 3x, soon to be 4, and that number is growing due to longevity.

[1987_Lakers]

Wizards in '02 were 7 - 15 without MJ. MJ averaged 25 ppg before his injury and they were on pace to make the POs. He came back at the end of the season to play ~20 mpg off the bench which tanked his averages.

Weren't the Lakers 9-18 without LeBron in 2019 and on pace to make the playoffs before he got injured?

Yet, that doesn't stop you from trashing him for that year.

[ImKobe]

Weren't the Lakers 9-18 without LeBron in 2019 and on pace to make the playoffs before he got injured?

Yet, that doesn't stop you from trashing him for that year.

Except Lebron came back and activated Playoff Mode (whatever that is) with the Lakers still in the Playoff hunt and they still lost 10 of their next 15 IIRC. That's when you had the drama with the AD trade request and Lebron sitting 10 chairs away from everyone on the bench as they got beat by 40 @Indiana.

[1987_Lakers]

Except Lebron came back and activated Playoff Mode (whatever that is) with the Lakers still in the Playoff hunt and they still lost 10 of their next 15 IIRC. That's when you had the drama with the AD trade request and Lebron sitting 10 chairs away from everyone on the bench as they got beat by 40 @Indiana.

He was still not 100%, but if you want to go that route the Wizards also had a losing record when MJ came back from his injury as well. Let's just say shit without context.

[Full Court]

He was still not 100%, but if you want to go that route the Wizards also had a losing record when MJ came back from his injury as well. Let's just say shit without context.

It's the intangibles though. MJ on the Wizards was a shell of himself for sure. But at least he wasn't a team cancer like Bronie is.

I too would take Wizards MJ over Bronie on the current Lakers team.

[ImKobe]

He was still not 100%, but if you want to go that route the Wizards also had a losing record when MJ came back from his injury as well. Let's just say shit without context.

What's the point of adding any context when the goalposts get shifted? MJ was 39, he had knee tendinitis, he got his knee drained 3x during the season, he kept playing after the knee injury until he physically couldn't, they still had a decent 3 - 4 record once he did return to play 21 mpg while the Wizards were 4 - 8 during the stretch that he sat out.

The Lakers right now are nosediving with Lebron playing on the court, just as they did with him on the court in 2019. The only reason people can't completely count this team out is because AD will make a return at some point and the Play-in tournament is there to save their ass from missing the POs completely.

[1987_Lakers]

What's the point of adding any context when the goalposts get shifted? MJ was 39, he had knee tendinitis, he got his knee drained 3x during the season, he kept playing after the knee injury until he physically couldn't, they still had a decent 3 - 4 record once he did return to play 21 mpg while the Wizards were 4 - 8 during the stretch that he sat out.

The Lakers right now are nosediving with Lebron playing on the court, just as they did with him on the court in 2019. The only reason people can't completely count this team out is because AD will make a return at some point and the Play-in tournament is there to save their ass from missing the POs completely.

Sort of how LeBron saved AD's ass out of New Orleans. LeBron was already a 3x champ before AD, AD would consistently miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st round without LeBron.

The verdict is already set on AD, he's a great player when he's focused, but he tends to play soft at times like he did in 2021 and this season, and even when he is on, he is ALWAYS injured. "Street clothes Davis"
:oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

It's the intangibles though. MJ on the Wizards was a shell of himself for sure. But at least he wasn't a team cancer like Bronie is.

I too would take Wizards MJ over Bronie on the current Lakers team.

MJ on the Wizards was verbally assaulting Kwame Brown, resulting him to bust. "Intangibles though".

[ImKobe]

Sort of how LeBron saved AD's ass out of New Orleans. LeBron was already a 3x champ before AD, AD would consistently miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st round without LeBron.

The verdict is already set on AD, he's a great player when he's focused, but he tends to play soft at times like he did in 2021 and this season, and even when he is on, he is ALWAYS injured. "Street clothes Davis"
:oldlol:

Yes, Lebron is the only player who could have "saved" AD.

CP3 missed multiple Playoffs and only won 1 series in NO, just like AD & left too. NO got a huge return for AD and still aren't in the POs.

Making fun of someone's injury luck is all you have left here. I think we're done.

[1987_Lakers]

Yes, Lebron is the only player who could have "saved" AD.

CP3 missed multiple Playoffs and only won 1 series in NO, just like AD & left too. NO got a huge return for AD and still aren't in the POs.

Making fun of someone's injury luck is all you have left here. I think we're done.

Comparing CP3 to AD is laughable. CP3 has actually proven he can transform franchises.

Fun fact, Pelicans record with AD in his last season there... 25-31

This is the guy who you hype all the time??

:roll:

[ImKobe]

Comparing CP3 to AD is laughable. CP3 has actually proven he can transform franchises.

Fun fact, Pelicans record with AD in his last season there... 25-31

This is the guy who you hype all the time??

:roll:

They were around .500 with AD before the trade stuff started happening and they went into tank mode. I'm not counting the 20 minute games at the end of the season that they were forced to play him in to avoid fines. AD was a monster pre-ASB before they essentially shut him down.

[SaltyMeatballs]

You'd be absolutely retarded to have Wizards MJ over current LeBron

[Soundwave]

The Wizards had a winning record in 2000-01 until Jordan tore his knee.

His numbers would also be better in this version of the NBA, it's easier for guards to score, easier to score in general now, teams are OK with giving up 115-125 points a night on many nights without putting up much of a fight.

Jordan was averaging like near 26 ppg as he was getting back into the groove, that probably would be more like 29-30 ppg now on a higher FG%, and that version Jordan would have this Lakers team 8-10 games above .500. Westbrook, Carmelo, and 40 some odd games from AD is still quite a bit of help.

Jordan is just a better "plug and play" type of player, you can put him into any system and it'll work, with LeBron he has to be the center of the offence entirely and if a player's game doesn't mesh with that (ie: Westbrook) it turns into a disaster.

The Lakers would have a record more like 37-26 right now with a Wizards Jordan maybe better. The Wizards were on pace for 50 wins when they had Jordan and Rip Hamilton playing.

Jordan also had a far bigger impact than LeBron defensively, the Wizards went from the 2nd worse defence in the league to 6th best with him. LeBron is better at stat padding in any era where it's far easier to pad stats.

[PP34Deuce]

40 year old MJ would not be good to watch in today's space and pace NBA game. He had stamina issues at 40..the game is much faster with more lateral movement than ever. Jordan of 2002 in 2020 game would be a SF or small ball 4.

[1987_Lakers]

They were around .500 with AD before the trade stuff started happening and they went into tank mode. I'm not counting the 20 minute games at the end of the season that they were forced to play him in to avoid fines. AD was a monster pre-ASB before they essentially shut him down.

They were around .500 during AD's full tenured there.

:roll:

[bison]

Roid must have read my thread. Went off for a kingly Fiddy Six. :bowdown:

Lebron recently said he looks for that one hater before each game to get him motivated. I intentionally made this thread to be a hater since I am actually a huge Bron fan. Anyway, you’re welcome King. Glad to help you develop a little of that mamba mentality.

[1987_Lakers]

OP got body bagged.

[kawhileonard2]

OP got body bagged.

How so?

Basically you mean being the 9th seed when predicted to be the 2nd best odds to win it all right? https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html

[Johnny32]

op looks even more stupid than when she started this topic. quite impressive.

[TheGoatest]

Wizards Jordan legit wasn't even a top 25 player in the league. :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Basically you mean being the 9th seed when predicted to be the 2nd best odds to win it all right? https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html

[Axe]

Lebron james, supposedly just a pedestrian honda civic as stated by one of his haters bt, still had a game scoring more than 55 points at age 37. Jordan otoh, who's supposedly an exotic lambo according to that same poster, has never had one at the same age.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/z1ywEODBI2mk/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b9523fcb714c31a337739c6d0f5abf8 202e418126c4f&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g