Magic/Lebron needed super-teams yet they're losers in Finals (9-10), so...

[SouBeachTalents]

if the best ball-dominators can't win, then it's an inferior strategy

Accordingly, the historical failure of ball-domination confirms that your best player shouldn't engage in something as simple as initiating a possession - lesser teammates can do that, while the best players should be CLOSING possessions as needed.

Closers spend time as assist targets (off-ball), which faciliates ball movement and elevates teammate role to playmaker - the enhanced ball movement wears out defenses so they have less capacity for offense.. Indeed, closers win the attrition battle by wearing out the opponent and knocking them out at the end.

[FultzNationRISE]

This is a fallacy because those teams would be nowhere near the finals in the first place without their “ball dominators.” They simply ran into more stacked teams. When those guys dominate the ball it’s because that’s the team’s only prayer to compete.

There’s no “closer” you could put on the 07 Cavs to make them beat the Spurs.

[ELITEpower23]

73-win, 4 Olympian, 3 All star, 3 All NBA 2016 Warriors

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

What the hell happened. 3Ball is hacking other members accounts now.

3Ball that's you right?

[000]

What the hell happened. 3Ball is hacking other members accounts now.

3Ball that's you right?
Nah Soubeach and Shogon are just making fun of 3ball for doubleposting the same topic that he's already talked about at length.

Either that or most people on this forum are just the same guy talking to himself. I think that's about 50/50 in terms of likelihood, tbh.

[Axe]

Klutch Sports wrong.. Nick Wright wrong... Lebron fam wrong

Lebron needed to team-hop for star scorers at 3rd option (super-team) and 2nd options capable of matching his scoring for entire playoff runs or Finals wins (1b's), yet he barely won 4 rings with so many asterisks that it's hard to keep track (2 modified seasons, 1 key suspension, 2 teammate bailouts, and forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning like Iverson/Dwight/Kidd)

In addition to having more help (3rd star scorers and 1b's), Lebron has far less accolades and production rate, aka stats (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, PPG, plus/minus or raptor (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2021/IPef8B.gif))

[000]

Historical Record


Heading into the 2015 season, Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet, while Kyrie/Love were already perennial all-stars.

Accordingly, the 15' Cavs were the on-paper preseason favorite (talent favorite), but inferior strategy/brand of ball made them underdogs to the upstart Warriors as the season progressed.

This is the standard for Lebron - his weak brand turns the on-paper talent favorite (preseason favorite) into the underdog or loser every year in the Finals (2011-2016).

Heading into 2016, the Cavs were once again the on-paper preseason favorite, but fell to underdog again heading into the Finals.. Fortunately, the goat clutch winner and goat difference-maker Kyrie was healthy and an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention like Jordan did in every Finals.

[TheCorporation]

Historical Record


Heading into the 2015 season, Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet, while Kyrie/Love were already perennial all-stars.

Accordingly, the 15' Cavs were the on-paper preseason favorite (talent favorite), but inferior strategy/brand of ball made them underdogs to the upstart Warriors as the season progressed.

This is the standard for Lebron - his weak brand turns the on-paper talent favorite (preseason favorite) into the underdog or loser every year in the Finals (2011-2016).

Heading into 2016, the Cavs were once again the on-paper preseason favorite, but fell to underdog again heading into the Finals.. Fortunately, the goat clutch winner and goat difference-maker Kyrie was healthy and an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention like Jordan did in every Finals.

But what about the greatest team in NBA history, the 2018 Houston Rockets?

[Airupthere]

if the best ball-dominators can't win, then it's an inferior strategy

Accordingly, the historical failure of ball-domination confirms that your best player shouldn't engage in something as simple as initiating a possession - lesser teammates can do that, while the best players should be CLOSING possessions as needed.

Closers spend time as assist targets (off-ball), which faciliates ball movement and elevates teammate role to playmaker - the enhanced ball movement wears out defenses so they have less capacity for offense.. Indeed, closers win the attrition battle by wearing out the opponent and knocking them out at the end.

:oldlol: are you alright?

[000]

But what about the greatest team in NBA history, the 2018 Houston Rockets?
That the 2018 Rockets are the greatest team isn't a matter of opinion - I am simply repeating the historical record

[SouBeachTalents]

:oldlol: are you alright?
if the best ball-dominators can't win, then it's an inferior strategy

Accordingly, the historical failure of ball-domination confirms that your best player shouldn't engage in something as simple as initiating a possession - lesser teammates can do that, while the best players should be CLOSING possessions as needed.

Closers spend time as assist targets (off-ball), which faciliates ball movement and elevates teammate role to playmaker - the enhanced ball movement wears out defenses so they have less capacity for offense.. Indeed, closers win the attrition battle by wearing out the opponent and knocking them out at the end.

[000]

if the best ball-dominators can't win, then it's an inferior strategy

Accordingly, the historical failure of ball-domination confirms that your best player shouldn't engage in something as simple as initiating a possession - lesser teammates can do that, while the best players should be CLOSING possessions as needed.

Closers spend time as assist targets (off-ball), which faciliates ball movement and elevates teammate role to playmaker - the enhanced ball movement wears out defenses so they have less capacity for offense.. Indeed, closers win the attrition battle by wearing out the opponent and knocking them out at the end.

Lebron's stats are inflated compared to Jordan's by not facing maximum defensive attention during numerous playoff runs (he had equal-scoring teammates to attract equal defensive attention).

In addition to inflation from facing less defensive attention/burden, Lebron's stats represent an inferior way of playing that wins less, specifically a westbrooking style that needs an extra all-star teammate to win, or a teammate to out-produce him (AD) - Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer (never won without super-teams or 1b's) because he can't actually carry the scoring load in the Finals or carry bed-wetting teammates against the best teams (never beat a top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick).

Furthermore, people wonder why Lebron's teams seemingly play bad defense all the time (why opponents like Spurs/Mavs/Warriors/Magic are always going "off") but that's just because ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. that's why ball-dominance is inferior strategy to ball movement, which wears down defenses and wins the battle of attrition.. The best defense is a good offense, a tenet of all competition..

Ultimately, Lebron never learned to take his team's offenses to #1 level or dynasty level or consistent Finals favorite level because ball-dominance doesn't win the attrition battle as a primary attack.. Unfortunately, Lebron lacks the elite jumpshooting skill to control the game when needed as an assist target, which elevates teammate role and promotes the kind of ball movement that wins the attrition battle.

[Airupthere]

Lol, why is everyone sounding like 3ball all of a sudden?

[000]

Lol, why is everyone sounding like 3ball all of a sudden?


AD averaged 30/14 in some series, which is literally twice the production of Pippen, who frequently averaged 15/7, including the Finals and at 10-30% lower efficiency (worst-ever efficiency and half the points/rebs of AD).. And less defense

[Airupthere]

:roll: ok got it. not until i scrolled further down the main page.

[Phoenix]

Threadcliffs

89 Pippen.

[Phoenix]

After Mo Williams improved a 45-win trash team to 66 wins and league favorite status, Lebron lost with this league favorite to a 1-star team (dwight), and then lost again as a massive favorite to a Rondo-led team despite Jamison/Shaq being added to the 66-win league favorite..

Lebron would've been just another losing ball-dominator like Harden, CP3, Westbrook, or Nash if he didn't form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning..

He can't even carry the scoring load on the Finals level or beat top teams with bed-wetting teammates (no carry-jobs against good teams) because his high scoring/volume is too ball-dominant or inefficient to beat top teams (6'9" westbrooker).. So people simply have a double-standard by giving props to Lebron for westbrooking in the 15' Finals and taking a team 6 games, but knocking Westbrook for losing in a similar fashion.