“Scottie’s the Best Player in the League. You Could Play in the League Right Now” -IT

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Garnett and a friend wanted to catch a pickup game that night. But instead of heading to a nearby playground or gym, the two decided it would be fun to sneak into a Chicago Bulls practice.

Jordan had just returned to the Bulls one month before KG played in the McDonald’s All-American Game. So when he and his buddy found their way in, there the two were — MJ and Pippen, practicing together.

Coincidentally, Isiah happened to be in the same gym on the same night, as Garnett wrote in a piece on The Undefeated. After the two-time NBA champ saw what the then-18-year-old did against Scottie, he had a few words for KG:

He came up to me and said something. There wasn’t a hint of hype in his voice. It was just a matter-of-fact, kind statement.

“Kevin,” he said to me, “you just took on Scottie Pippen. Scottie’s the best player in the league. Boy, you could play in the league right now.”

When those words came out of his mouth, the world stopped turning. Time stopped ticking.

But maybe I was hearing him wrong.

“What’d you say?” I asked.

“Boy,” he repeated, this time his eyes getting bigger, “you could play in the league right now.”

It’s clear from the mouth of their very own contemporary that Scottie Pippen and Jordan were 1A and 1B in Chicago, respectively.

[RogueBorg]

B.S.

IT hates Scottie Pippen. What's your source?

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B.S.

IT hates Scottie Pippen. What's your source?

https://theundefeated.com/features/kevin-garnett-recalls-the-pickup-game-with-scottie-pippen-that-proved-he-could-jump-to-the-nba/

Via Kevin Garnett’s new book, even IT who HATED Pippen respected his game as best in the world (mind you Jordan was in the league at this point)

[Vino24]

3ball is not going to like this

[ImKobe]

https://theundefeated.com/features/kevin-garnett-recalls-the-pickup-game-with-scottie-pippen-that-proved-he-could-jump-to-the-nba/

Via Kevin Garnett’s new book, even IT who HATED Pippen respected his game as best in the world (mind you Jordan was in the league at this point)

There's no one IT hated more than MJ so why would anyone care about his opinion on Pippen? Of course he's going to praise Scottie to try to take credit away from MJ, like the insecure Bran stans on this forum.

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There's no one IT hated more than MJ so why would anyone care about his opinion on Pippen? Of course he's going to praise Scottie to try to take credit away from MJ, like the insecure Bran stans on this forum.

He praised Pippen to Garnett in a private gym to make Jordan look worse than elementary school aged Lebron? :lol Jordan fans don’t even see how biased they are against Scottie who did way more without Jordan than the other way around

[Vino24]

There's no one IT hated more than MJ so why would anyone care about his opinion on Pippen? Of course he's going to praise Scottie to try to take credit away from MJ, like the insecure Bran stans on this forum.

IT actually played the game against them. Your opinion is worth dog shit vs his

[ImKobe]

He praised Pippen to Garnett in a private gym to make Jordan look worse than elementary school aged Lebron? :lol Jordan fans don’t even see how biased they are against Scottie who did way more without Jordan than the other way around

Yes?

And Pippen did nothing worthwhile without MJ, his best achievement was an ATG choke against Kobe in the POs in 2000 and he was the 3rd option on his team by that point and scored 0 pts in one of the worst 4th quarter meltdowns in Playoffs history.

Pip's career after Chicago - 1st round loss with Hakeem & Barkley (outplayed by 1st year starter in Kobe) in '99, '00 WCF meltdown (outplayed by Kobe), '01 1st round loss (outplayed by Kobe yet again), '02 1st round loss (outplayed by Kobe YET AGAIN) & an '03 1st round loss to cap it off.

One fluke WCF run and 4x 1st round losses after leaving the Bulls. Muh Pippen :( .

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Yes?

And Pippen did nothing worthwhile without MJ, his best achievement was an ATG choke against Kobe in the POs in 2000 and he was the 3rd option on his team by that point and scored 0 pts in one of the worst 4th quarter meltdowns in Playoffs history.

Pip's career after Chicago - 1st round loss with Hakeem & Barkley (outplayed by 1st year starter in Kobe) in '99, '00 WCF meltdown (outplayed by Kobe), '01 1st round loss (outplayed by Kobe yet again), '02 1st round loss (outplayed by Kobe YET AGAIN) & an '03 1st round loss to cap it off.

One fluke WCF run and 5x 1st round losses after leaving the Bulls. Muh Pippen :( .

And how many MJ playoff victories without Pippen? :lol

[Im so nba'd out]

Welp, this pretty much seals it. 3 ball made all those threads just for it all to go up in smoke with a simple book from kg being published.The fact that I.t said this who is the biggest pippen hater of all time, proves it’s as genuine as anything said…pretty much ever.

[ImKobe]

And how many MJ playoff victories without Pippen? :lol

Pippen won a total of 3 Playoff series in 6 years without Jordan and he wasn't even the best player on his team for two of those.. If you think that's some sort of an achievement you're just trolling.

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Pippen won a total of 3 Playoff series in 6 years without Jordan and he wasn't even the best player on his team for two of those.. If you think that's some sort of an achievement you're just trolling.

And how many did Jordan win in his preliminary Bulls years without Scottie and his years on the Wizards combined? Absolutely none whatsoever, he won one playoff game in that time frame

No Pip
No chip

[RogueBorg]

https://theundefeated.com/features/kevin-garnett-recalls-the-pickup-game-with-scottie-pippen-that-proved-he-could-jump-to-the-nba/

Via Kevin Garnett’s new book, even IT who HATED Pippen respected his game as best in the world (mind you Jordan was in the league at this point)

KG was hearing things.

KG thought he heard, “Kevin,” he said to me, “you just took on Scottie Pippen. Scottie’s the best player in the league. Boy, you could play in the league right now.”


But maybe I was hearing him wrong.

“What’d you say?” I asked.

“Boy,” he repeated, this time his eyes getting bigger, “you could play in the league right now.”

[000]

Yep. Pippen was the Michael Jordan of the 90s

[aj1987]

B.S.

IT hates Scottie Pippen. What's your source?

RogueBorg is the same dude who was defending 1-9's dick size on this board. :roll: :roll:

Keep living that good life, "coach".

[RogueBorg]

RogueBorg is the same dude who was defending 1-9's dick size on this board. :roll: :roll:

Keep living that good life, "coach".

Thanks "Shooter."

[aj1987]

Thanks "Shooter."

If you're trying to be smart, you failed harder (no pun intended) than the time you tried to defend 1-9 dick size. :roll:

[RogueBorg]

If you're trying to be smart, you failed harder (no pun intended) than the time you tried to defend 1-9 dick size. :roll:

Not me Shooter.

[Spurs m8]

These threads just make me laugh, more than anything.

Every single thread trying to downplay Jordan shows nothing more than daily triggered stans...

He retired almost 20 years ago and he's still effecting these people daily lmao

Get a life, losers

[aj1987]

Not me Shooter.

Keep being delusional, "coach".

[AngelEyes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4nBRe4uA9s&ab_channel=Dragonflyer33

And here is a video of Isiah Thomas laughing at the prospect of a player like Scottie Pippen saying he did not want him on the Dream Team, because he did not believe Scottie was in any way good enough to warrant keeping someone like himself off the team. This is not a person who believed Scottie Pippen was ever as good or better than Michael Jordan or was ever the best player in basketball.

[bizil]

This BS that Pip was the best player in league at one point NEEDS TO STOP!!! Once MJ went to baseball, Pip was the best ALL AROUND PLAYER! When combining scoring, passing, defense, and rebounding as a package. THING IS Pip's floor game was great. His scoring ability WASN'T! You CAN'T BE the best player on the planet WITHOUT alpha dog scoring ability! Best all around player DOESN'T mean the best player. Sometimes it's the same guy (MJ, Mamba, Bron, etc.) Sometimes it isn't.

Even pass first PG's like Magic and Isiah (averaging 19-21 PPG) WERE ALPHA DOG level scorers! They were pass first PG's. And their #1 priority was being the ultimate floor generals. BUT at the drop of a hat, they could amp up their scoring. And go toe to toe with the great scorers on Earth.

Pip was NEVER that type of pass first player. He could be a very good scorer AT BEST. But NEVER a great one! Wilt was the best player in the 60's. Kareem the best in the 70's. Magic or Bird in the 80's. MJ in the 90's. Kobe,Shaq, or Tim 2000s. Bron 2010s. Now KD and Giannis. ALL THESE LEGENDS were alpha dog level scorers! Pip DOESN'T belong in that club!

[iamgine]

Isn't this kind of an insult on Scottie. Here's a high school kid who held his own against him. Isiah with dat subtle diss. :lol

[97 bulls]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4nBRe4uA9s&ab_channel=Dragonflyer33

And here is a video of Isiah Thomas laughing at the prospect of a player like Scottie Pippen saying he did not want him on the Dream Team, because he did not believe Scottie was in any way good enough to warrant keeping someone like himself off the team. This is not a person who believed Scottie Pippen was ever as good or better than Michael Jordan or was ever the best player in basketball.

Bro. You have to take this in to context. He's talking about how he perceived Pippen in 92. Not when his career was done. Thomas also called Pippen the second best player in the league in 98. Even Pippen said he was surprised he was asked to play because he felt there were more qualified players.

[97 bulls]

Isn't this kind of an insult on Scottie. Here's a high school kid who held his own against him. Isiah with dat subtle diss. :lol

KG joined the NBA straight out of high school.

[iamgine]

KG joined the NBA straight out of high school.

I know.

[Bawkish]

KG dropping 40pts on Pip led him to antagonize MJ by egging JR Rider to do the same

[97 bulls]

I know.

So how is that a subtle diss?

[97 bulls]

This BS that Pip was the best player in league at one point NEEDS TO STOP!!! Once MJ went to baseball, Pip was the best ALL AROUND PLAYER! When combining scoring, passing, defense, and rebounding as a package. THING IS Pip's floor game was great. His scoring ability WASN'T! You CAN'T BE the best player on the planet WITHOUT alpha dog scoring ability! Best all around player DOESN'T mean the best player. Sometimes it's the same guy (MJ, Mamba, Bron, etc.) Sometimes it isn't.

Even pass first PG's like Magic and Isiah (averaging 19-21 PPG) WERE ALPHA DOG level scorers! They were pass first PG's. And their #1 priority was being the ultimate floor generals. BUT at the drop of a hat, they could amp up their scoring. And go toe to toe with the great scorers on Earth.

Pip was NEVER that type of pass first player. He could be a very good scorer AT BEST. But NEVER a great one! Wilt was the best player in the 60's. Kareem the best in the 70's. Magic or Bird in the 80's. MJ in the 90's. Kobe,Shaq, or Tim 2000s. Bron 2010s. Now KD and Giannis. ALL THESE LEGENDS were alpha dog level scorers! Pip DOESN'T belong in that club!

You can disagree, but at that time, many felt Pippen was no less than a top 5 player in the NBA. Barkley, Thomas, Bird, Rodman, Salley, Malone have all said such. Why do these guys have to lie?

For all intents and purposes, Magic was the same offensive player as Pippen other than Magic was a far better FT shooter. But Pippen was the better athlete. Magic played in an uptempo offense in a fast paced league that was more offensive mined, and only managed to score 2 more points than Pippen did as the man. Facts are facts bro. Maybe you need to reassess your thinking.

[Bawkish]

You can disagree, but at that time, many felt Pippen was no less than a top 5 player in the NBA. Barkley, Thomas, Bird, Rodman, Salley, Malone have all said such. Why do these guys have to lie?

For all intents and purposes, Magic was the same offensive player as Pippen other than Magic was a far better FT shooter. But Pippen was the better athlete. Magic played in an uptempo offense in a fast paced league that was more offensive mined, and only managed to score 2 more points than Pippen did as the man. Facts are facts bro. Maybe you need to reassess your thinking.

so what's next, Pip was the same shooter as Bird?

[iamgine]

So how is that a subtle diss?

Read again.

[Reggie43]

Magic was the same offensive player as Pippen? Thats a new one :oldlol:

[Baller789]

If it's from Isiah, you should automatically know it's bull****

:biggums:

[Gohan]

If scottie was the best jordans era was super weak. Give me iverson over that fraud. Atleast he was was worth watching besides some overrated defensive trash

[Bawkish]

Magic was the same offensive player as Pippen? Thats a new one :oldlol:

Next he's gonna argue why Pip should be the unanimous MVP during 1994 season backed up by a bunch of what ifs and shoulda woulda coulda

[outofstomach]

so what's next, Pip was the same shooter as Bird?don’t bother replying to that closeted lesexual :lol

[WhiteKyrie]

And?

Wade had arguable stakes as best player in basketball in 2006, 2007 (pre injury), 2009, 2010, and even 2011.

AD had arguments at various times as well and has consistently been a top five caliber player since 2015 ish. According to PER he’s the third best player of all time after MJ and LeBron.

[Elosha]

Garnett and a friend wanted to catch a pickup game that night. But instead of heading to a nearby playground or gym, the two decided it would be fun to sneak into a Chicago Bulls practice.

Jordan had just returned to the Bulls one month before KG played in the McDonald’s All-American Game. So when he and his buddy found their way in, there the two were — MJ and Pippen, practicing together.

Coincidentally, Isiah happened to be in the same gym on the same night, as Garnett wrote in a piece on The Undefeated. After the two-time NBA champ saw what the then-18-year-old did against Scottie, he had a few words for KG:

He came up to me and said something. There wasn’t a hint of hype in his voice. It was just a matter-of-fact, kind statement.

“Kevin,” he said to me, “you just took on Scottie Pippen. Scottie’s the best player in the league. Boy, you could play in the league right now.”

When those words came out of his mouth, the world stopped turning. Time stopped ticking.


But maybe I was hearing him wrong.

“What’d you say?” I asked.

“Boy,” he repeated, this time his eyes getting bigger, “you could play in the league right now.”

It’s clear from the mouth of their very own contemporary that Scottie Pippen and Jordan were 1A and 1B in Chicago, respectively.

When Isaiah Thomas was a commentator for NBC during the Bulls' championship runs, he repeatedly and unequivocally stated Michael Jordan was the greatest player in the NBA currently and of all time on multiple occasions. He used to freely acknowledge Jordan was the best, it's only been in the last 4-5 yrs that he's changed his tune for whatever reason, likely his continuing anger with Jordan over the long-term rivalry, and Jordan's refusal to be friendly to him even when Isaiah repeatedly and glowingly praised Jordan as a commentator after IT's retirement.

Literally no one in the NBA at the time seriously thought Scottie Pippen was greater than Michael Jordan, the idea would be laughable to anyone who actually watched basketball at the time. Once in awhile the idea would be whispered around the NBA, and then Jordan would dominate playoffs or have an amazing scoring run, or at times Pippen would simply not perform up to speed in the playoffs when the pressure counted (not to say he was always bad, he certainly wasn't), and such whispers would quickly die down. Honestly, people who would say such things were often just trying to be provocative and didn't believe it themselves.

[3ba11]

And?

Wade had arguable stakes as best player in basketball in 2006, 2007 (pre injury), 2009, 2010, and even 2011.

AD had arguments at various times as well and has consistently been a top five caliber player since 2015 ish. According to PER he’s the third best player of all time after MJ and LeBron.


Isiah had no respect for Pippen:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P4nBRe4uA9s&t=02m45s


That's first-hand from Isiah, not KG trying to sell books.. I guarantee that young KG was like "did this guy just say pippen is the best player?"

A guy that averaged 21.7 on 40% with historic choke (https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif) in the 2nd Round against Ewing is the best player in the league?

[3ba11]

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MJ vs Pippen 1988-1998 Playoffs


Jordan (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced).... 33.3.. 6.4.. 5.6.. 2.1.. 0.8.. 56.8 ts.. 28.7 per.. 11.1 bpm.. 0.260 ws/48.. 23.3 vorp
Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1988-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced).... 18.1.. 7.7.. 5.2.. 1.9.. 1.0.. 52.6 ts.. 18.6 per.... 5.1 bpm.. 0.146 ws/48.. 12.6 vorp


MJ has twice the BPM and nearly twice the value above replacement (vorp) or win contribution (ws/48).

[3ba11]

.

PLAYOFF PPG

87' Worthy...... 23.6
87' Magic........ 21.8

86' McHale'..... 24.9
86' Bird.......... 25.1

16' Kyrie'........ 25.2
16' Lebron...... 26.2

11' Wade........ 24.5
11' Lebron...... 23.7

20' AD........... 27.7
20' Lebron..... 27.6


^^^ At some point in everyone's career, they had equal-scoring teammates to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, and therefore weren't facing maximum defensive attention - any period without max defensive attention are inflated stats compared to Jordan, who faced max defensive attention for his entire career by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run..

So Jordan's stats are the baseline to which everyone is compared because his stats are the only stats that reflect max defensive attention for an entire career, aka no periods without facing max defensive attention (no inflation).

[bizil]

You can disagree, but at that time, many felt Pippen was no less than a top 5 player in the NBA. Barkley, Thomas, Bird, Rodman, Salley, Malone have all said such. Why do these guys have to lie?

For all intents and purposes, Magic was the same offensive player as Pippen other than Magic was a far better FT shooter. But Pippen was the better athlete. Magic played in an uptempo offense in a fast paced league that was more offensive mined, and only managed to score 2 more points than Pippen did as the man. Facts are facts bro. Maybe you need to reassess your thinking.

LMAO!!! U DON'T KNOW THE GAME if you think Magic and Pip were the same level of scorer. Magic was OBVIOUSLY a better scorer than Pippen. A more SKILLED scorer than Pippen. MORE CLUTCH than Pippen.

U get caught up into the PPG with Magic. THING IS Magic was also getting 11-12 APG as THE POINT GUARD!!! Pip was a great passer for a SF or point forward. BUT Pip WASN'T a natural PG in the old school sense! Magic was!! He was the ULTIMATE pass first point guard!!! On those Lakers teams, Magic DIDN'T need to average 25 PPG! Even though Magic did average 23.9 PPG and 12.2 dimes in a season.

If Magic had enough scoring help (which he did often) he was TOTALLY CONTENT being a pass first, pass second player. If he DIDN'T have as much scoring help, he could amp up his scoring to alpha dog levels. MEANING he could dominate games at the DROP OF A HAT scoring if he wanted or needed to. STUDENTS of the game KNOW Magic was ABSOLUTELY alpha dog level quality scorer. JUST SO HAPPENED he was the greatest floor general who has ever lived. SO HE PLAYED TO THAT STRENGTH FIRST!!! When u play with Kareem,Nixon, McAdoo, Worthy, B Scott, Wilkes, etc., it was a PERFECT FIT for Magic's mindset.

BUT IN REALITY, prime Kareem was the ONLY ONE who was a better actual scorer than Magic on those Lakers teams! When it comes to passing,Magic is top of the heap. Pip is WAY FURTHER DOWN THE CHARTS has a passer. Great for a SF, very good when compared to a PG. And for the cherry on top, MJ was HANDS DOWN a better passer than Pippen! Just so happened MJ was a score first player. Who was the ULTIMATE alpha dog scorer.

[GrayGoat]

If there is no Pip then there is no chip

[WhiteKyrie]

If there is no Pip then there is no chip

But who said otherwise?

I’m sure if Michael was playing with a 90s equivalent in terms of talent, as a Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis? There would’ve been championships just the same.

Mike won 6 of them thangs, with one of them with just one other all star. Imagine if he had two by his side at all times? Hell, he probably could’ve won in the ‘88 - ‘90 seasons as well.

Since he was clearly the best player in the league by 1987.

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Dennis Rodman considered Scottie Pippen 'best player in the world' during Michael Jordan's baseball hiatus

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dennis-rodman-considered-scottie-pippen-best-player-in-the-world-during-michael-jordans-baseball-hiatus/

Uh Jordanbros…? :lol So basically everyone who actually played with and against Pippen acknowledged he was at least the second best player in the NBA at the time Jordan played

Granted IT said Pippen was the best player in the league with Jordan back so we can only extrapolate from his commentary that Pippen had superseded Jordan during that season of incredible play

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"If you notice about Scottie Pippen, when Michael Jordan left in '93, '94, '95 -- Scottie Pippen was the best player in the world. If people didn't know that, he led the team in every category. Every category. Scottie got his wings in 1991 when [the Bulls] beat the Detroit Pistons. When Michael left, Scottie took over and next thing you know he was the best player in the world. People don't know that."

-Dennis Rodman

[97 bulls]

LMAO!!! U DON'T KNOW THE GAME if you think Magic and Pip were the same level of scorer. Magic was OBVIOUSLY a better scorer than Pippen. A more SKILLED scorer than Pippen. MORE CLUTCH than Pippen.

U get caught up into the PPG with Magic. THING IS Magic was also getting 11-12 APG as THE POINT GUARD!!! Pip was a great passer for a SF or point forward. BUT Pip WASN'T a natural PG in the old school sense! Magic was!! He was the ULTIMATE pass first point guard!!! On those Lakers teams, Magic DIDN'T need to average 25 PPG! Even though Magic did average 23.9 PPG and 12.2 dimes in a season.

If Magic had enough scoring help (which he did often) he was TOTALLY CONTENT being a pass first, pass second player. If he DIDN'T have as much scoring help, he could amp up his scoring to alpha dog levels. MEANING he could dominate games at the DROP OF A HAT scoring if he wanted or needed to. STUDENTS of the game KNOW Magic was ABSOLUTELY alpha dog level quality scorer. JUST SO HAPPENED he was the greatest floor general who has ever lived. SO HE PLAYED TO THAT STRENGTH FIRST!!! When u play with Kareem,Nixon, McAdoo, Worthy, B Scott, Wilkes, etc., it was a PERFECT FIT for Magic's mindset.

BUT IN REALITY, prime Kareem was the ONLY ONE who was a better actual scorer than Magic on those Lakers teams! When it comes to passing,Magic is top of the heap. Pip is WAY FURTHER DOWN THE CHARTS has a passer. Great for a SF, very good when compared to a PG. And for the cherry on top, MJ was HANDS DOWN a better passer than Pippen! Just so happened MJ was a score first player. Who was the ULTIMATE alpha dog scorer.

When I say offense I meant their ability to score. Magic is a much better offensive player overall when compared to Pippen. I was responding to your assessment on their ability to score the basketball themselves. They're even in that regard.

[bizil]

When I say offense I meant their ability to score. Magic is a much better offensive player overall when compared to Pippen. I was responding to your assessment on their ability to score the basketball themselves. They're even in that regard.

Once again Magic has the CLEAR EDGE on Pippen scoring the rock. Teams FEARED Magic more scoring the rock than they EVER DID Pip!! Magic was the ultimate pass first PG. Getting 11-13 APG! YET he still managed to average over 20 PPG four times in his career. Maxing out at 23.9 PPG. Magic and Isiah were the rare pass first PG's who could ALSO morph into dominant scorers. With those two their 19-22 PPG DOESN'T tell the true story.

They are two of the top five floor generals of all time. So their MAIN PRIORITY was to drop the dimes and run the team. So Magic PROVED he could average just as many points as Pip or more. AND he's the greatest passer of all time! That means Magic SCORING the points he did is MORE REMARKABLE that what Pip did scoring wise! No basketball historian WILL SAY Pip was just as good a scorer as Magic. U GOTTA LOOK DEEPER than the PPG!

Once again Magic was CLEARLY the more feared scorer between himself and Pippen. IF Pip was AS GOOD as Magic scoring the rock, THAT MEANS Pip was an alpha dog level scorer. And from there, IF Pip had that in his arsenal, he would have been the GOAT SF AT ONE POINT! Hell he has six rings! Yet NOBODY put him on that level. WHY?? Because his overall PEAK/PRIME value AMONG other great SF's hurt him. It's why guys with less rings such as Bird, Bron, KD, Doc, and Baylor, RANK HIGHER on the GOAT SF charts. Those guys were/are great scorers ON TOP of very good to great all around ability. That trumps a player like Pip ALL THE TIME!!

[SATAN]

"If you notice about Scottie Pippen, when Michael Jordan left in '93, '94, '95 -- Scottie Pippen was the best player in the world. If people didn't know that, he led the team in every category. Every category. Scottie got his wings in 1991 when [the Bulls] beat the Detroit Pistons. When Michael left, Scottie took over and next thing you know he was the best player in the world. People don't know that."

-Dennis Rodman

Wait, so you're telling me Michael Jordan's sidekick was the second best player in the NBA? :biggums:

How much help did this guy have? :kobe:

[97 bulls]

Once again Magic has the CLEAR EDGE on Pippen scoring the rock. Teams FEARED Magic more scoring the rock than they EVER DID Pip!! Magic was the ultimate pass first PG. Getting 11-13 APG! YET he still managed to average over 20 PPG four times in his career. Maxing out at 23.9 PPG. Magic and Isiah were the rare pass first PG's who could ALSO morph into dominant scorers. With those two their 19-22 PPG DOESN'T tell the true story.

They are two of the top five floor generals of all time. So their MAIN PRIORITY was to drop the dimes and run the team. So Magic PROVED he could average just as many points as Pip or more. AND he's the greatest passer of all time! That means Magic SCORING the points he did is MORE REMARKABLE that what Pip did scoring wise! No basketball historian WILL SAY Pip was just as good a scorer as Magic. U GOTTA LOOK DEEPER than the PPG!

Once again Magic was CLEARLY the more feared scorer between himself and Pippen. IF Pip was AS GOOD as Magic scoring the rock, THAT MEANS Pip was an alpha dog level scorer. And from there, IF Pip had that in his arsenal, he would have been the GOAT SF AT ONE POINT! Hell he has six rings! Yet NOBODY put him on that level. WHY?? Because his overall PEAK/PRIME value AMONG other great SF's hurt him. It's why guys with less rings such as Bird, Bron, KD, Doc, and Baylor, RANK HIGHER on the GOAT SF charts. Those guys were/are great scorers ON TOP of very good to great all around ability. That trumps a player like Pip ALL THE TIME!!

Magic scored most of his points in transition. And played in an uptempo offense. Yes Magic sacrificed points for passing. Pippen played alongside a player that took almost 25 shots a night in am era that wasn't conducive to scoring. And he had to sacrifice energy to score and play a high level of defense. There is no difference.

I even did the math. Pippens scoring circa 94 in today's league would put him at 25-26 ppg (I believe it compared it to 2019). That's Kevin Durant level. And Durant also was 8th in scoring like Pippen was.

Lastly, think about what you're saying here. If Pippen were that good a scorer, he would've been considered the beat player in the league. Well, Bird, Rodman, Thomas, Salley, Daly, Malone, and many more felt he was the best player in the league at one point. Maybe you need to reassess how you see Pippen. What do players like Bird see in Pippen that you don't?

[bizil]

Magic scored most of his points in transition. And played in an uptempo offense. Yes Magic sacrificed points for passing. Pippen played alongside a player that took almost 25 shots a night in am era that wasn't conducive to scoring. And he had to sacrifice energy to score and play a high level of defense. There is no difference.

I even did the math. Pippens scoring circa 94 in today's league would put him at 25-26 ppg (I believe it compared it to 2019). That's Kevin Durant level. And Durant also was 8th in scoring like Pippen was.

Lastly, think about what you're saying here. If Pippen were that good a scorer, he would've been considered the beat player in the league. Well, Bird, Rodman, Thomas, Salley, Daly, Malone, and many more felt he was the best player in the league at one point. Maybe you need to reassess how you see Pippen. What do players like Bird see in Pippen that you don't?

Pip was the best ALL AROUND player in the league once MJ went to baseball. I've admitted that before. But he was NEVER the best player in the league at that time. Best player and best all around are two different things. Better than Dream, Barkley, Mailman, Shaq, or Drexler? LMAO!!!

And bottom line is Magic plain and simple was a more feared scorer than Pip. If the PPG are similar, shit like clutch factor and fear factor come into play! Magic has WAY MORE memorable moments scoring wise that Pip EVER DID! Starting his rookie year in The Finals!!

[bizil]

Magic scored most of his points in transition. And played in an uptempo offense. Yes Magic sacrificed points for passing. Pippen played alongside a player that took almost 25 shots a night in am era that wasn't conducive to scoring. And he had to sacrifice energy to score and play a high level of defense. There is no difference.

I even did the math. Pippens scoring circa 94 in today's league would put him at 25-26 ppg (I believe it compared it to 2019). That's Kevin Durant level. And Durant also was 8th in scoring like Pippen was.

Lastly, think about what you're saying here. If Pippen were that good a scorer, he would've been considered the beat player in the league. Well, Bird, Rodman, Thomas, Salley, Daly, Malone, and many more felt he was the best player in the league at one point. Maybe you need to reassess how you see Pippen. What do players like Bird see in Pippen that you don't?

So why did Pip's scoring average HARDLY CHANGE when MJ went to baseball????? Before Pip came of age, MJ was winning scoring titles, MVPs, and DPOY!!! So STOP MAKING EXCUSES for Pippen! He was a great player no doubt. But this myth about his scoring ability OR him being the best player in the league at one point needs TO STOP!! Being the best all around player in the league AND the best SF in the world are levels Pip reached!

Trust me... Those guys DIDN'T think Pip was a better player than the Dream or Barkley at that point in time. Drexler was every bit the passer and rebounder Pip was. AND had the edge scoring wise. And Shaq EVEN THEN was the most physically dominant player in the league. They were lookin at Pip through the prism of the Bulls dynasty. And being the best ALL AROUND PLAYER!!

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So why did Pip's scoring average HARDLY CHANGE when MJ went to baseball????? Before Pip came of age, MJ was winning scoring titles, MVPs, and DPOY!!! So STOP MAKING EXCUSES for Pippen!
Because he had to fill so many roles. And the game had began to change to a more defense focused mindset. Like I said in the previous post. It's taxing to have to be the best defender, scorer, rebounder, passes, run the offense, and anchor the defense and drop 26-27ppg. Nobody has done that. And Pippen even said in his book that he was more focused on running the offense more efficiently than scoring a bunch of points because he felt that was the best way to win. And low and behold, the coaches came out and said the triangle was never ran better than it was in 94 and 95.


He was a great player no doubt. But this myth about his scoring ability OR him being the best player in the league at one point needs TO STOP!! Being the best all around player in the league AND the best SF in the world are levels Pip reached!

Trust me... Those guys DIDN'T think Pip was a better player than the Dream or Barkley at that point in time. Drexler was every bit the passer and rebounder Pip was. AND had the edge scoring wise. And Shaq EVEN THEN was the most physically dominant player in the league. They were lookin at Pip through the prism of the Bulls dynasty. And being the best ALL AROUND PLAYER!!

Bro, what are those players getting out of saying they felt he was one of the best players in the league at one time? Or even the best player? It's their opinion. I don't agree that Pippen was ever the best player in the league. But he was definitely top 3-5 from 94 to 96. But again, why say it if they don't believe it?

[HighFlyer23]

Hakeem Olujawan was the best player in the league during that time frame

Pippen was never close to being the best player in any league he was in

He was an always will be Jordans butthurt, jealous second fiddle ... If it wasn't for MJ he would just be known for being bitch slapped by Charles Oakley in the locker room

[bizil]

Here's how you get delusional Pip fans... He was a great player FOR SURE! BUT WHY was he NEVER regarded the GOAT SF with six rings???? When it comes to his floor game (passing, defense, rebounding as a package), a top 2-3 SF of all time. With a Bron and Hondo in that mix. He has many All Star, All NBA, and All D teams to his credit. He REDEFINED the SF position FLAT OUT on top of it.

He was never the GOAT SF BECAUSE his scoring ability was the ***** in his armor. Sure he was a very good scorer. BUT never a great one. Peak-prime status IS A PART of GOAT criteria. It's why Dr. J with one ring has ALWAYS trumped Pip on a GOAT SF list. Doc was easily the better player peak-prime wise. Was the face of the league. And redefined his position. It takes a KD, Bron, or Bird to trump a Dr. J on a GOAT SF list. If Bird, KD, or Doc had six rings, they would be right there with MJ , Kareem, and Bron in the GOAT debate.

BECAUSE they were that dominant as players. Pip with AS MANY RINGS as MJ is top 30 GOAT AT BEST??? Why???? Peak-prime value among the SF's WASN'T GREAT ENOUGH for him to be a top 10 GOAT legend. And I AINT TRYING TO HEAR he played with MJ! Magic and Kareem played together. BOTH are in the top 10 GOAT. Kobe and Shaq played together. BOTH are in the top 10 GOAT! Jus saying six rings is a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF RINGS! Top 30 GOAT, best all around player in the league once MJ went to baseball, and best SF in the league at one point are MAJOR ACCOLADES on top of six rings and two gold medals. WHY AREN'T some Pip fans happy with that???

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Here's how you get delusional Pip fans... He was a great player FOR SURE! BUT WHY was he NEVER regarded the GOAT SF with six rings???? When it comes to his floor game (passing, defense, rebounding as a package), a top 2-3 SF of all time. With a Bron and Hondo in that mix. He has many All Star, All NBA, and All D teams to his credit. He REDEFINED the SF position FLAT OUT on top of it.

He was never the GOAT SF BECAUSE his scoring ability was the ***** in his armor. Sure he was a very good scorer. BUT never a great one. Peak-prime status IS A PART of GOAT criteria. It's why Dr. J with one ring has ALWAYS trumped Pip on a GOAT SF list. Doc was easily the better player peak-prime wise. Was the face of the league. And redefined his position. It takes a KD, Bron, or Bird to trump a Dr. J on a GOAT SF list. If Bird, KD, or Doc had six rings, they would be right there with MJ , Kareem, and Bron in the GOAT debate.

BECAUSE they were that dominant as players. Pip with AS MANY RINGS as MJ is top 30 GOAT AT BEST??? Why???? Peak-prime value among the SF's WASN'T GREAT ENOUGH for him to be a top 10 GOAT legend. And I AINT TRYING TO HEAR he played with MJ! Magic and Kareem played together. BOTH are in the top 10 GOAT. Kobe and Shaq played together. BOTH are in the top 10 GOAT! Jus saying six rings is a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF RINGS! Top 30 GOAT, best all around player in the league once MJ went to baseball, and best SF in the league at one point are MAJOR ACCOLADES on top of six rings and two gold medals. WHY AREN'T some Pip fans happy with that???

Bro, that's honestly not your question. What your question really is is if all these players and coaches say Pippen is that good, why doesn't Bizil feel that way? The answer is maybe you're wrong bro. You follow dumasses like Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless. Again Pippens peers, the best players and coaches to ever play hold him in high regard. He's constantly top 20-25. And thats fair. How many players in NBA history can say they finished top 5 in MVP and DPOY voting in the same year? Pip did it twice.

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Bro, that's honestly not your question. What your question really is is if all these players and coaches say Pippen is that good, why doesn't Bizil feel that way? The answer is maybe you're wrong bro. You follow dumasses like Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless. Again Pippens peers, the best players and coaches to ever play hold him in high regard. He's constantly top 20-25. And thats fair. How many players in NBA history can say they finished top 5 in MVP and DPOY voting in the same year? Pip did it twice.

your problem is accepting those player's & coaches opinions as facts. Zeke's comments on the topic has flip flopped many times depending on his mood.

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your problem is accepting those player's & coaches opinions as facts. Zeke's comments on the topic has flip flopped many times depending on his mood.

What about Rodman? He is Hall of Fame with four titles, played with and against Scottie. Knows his game inside and out enough to know the level he was producing at when Jordan was out.

Thomas may put on a tough face and criticize in public, but Pippen also regards Thomas as a verbatim “nobody” in the land of basketball. What he told KG in confidence at Pippen’s absolute peak is more demonstrative of his opinion than his cruel trolling of the perennially underrated forward.

Furthermore Pippen regards himself as superior to MJ, there’s certainly an argument for it when it comes to how he was viewed by his most critical and intense peers and competitors of the era.

[Bawkish]

What about Rodman? He is Hall of Fame with four titles, played with and against Scottie. Knows his game inside and out enough to know the level he was producing at when Jordan was out.

Thomas may put on a tough face and criticize in public, but Pippen also regards Thomas as a verbatim “nobody” in the land of basketball. What he told KG in confidence at Pippen’s absolute peak is more demonstrative of his opinion than his cruel trolling of the perennially underrated forward.

Furthermore Pippen regards himself as superior to MJ, there’s certainly an argument for it when it comes to how he was viewed by his most critical and intense peers and competitors of the era.

is this some type of meme?

[bizil]

your problem is accepting those player's & coaches opinions as facts. Zeke's comments on the topic has flip flopped many times depending on his mood.

BINGO!! A lot of DELUSIONAL Pip fans fall into that. My opinions of Pip ARE BASED on a number of factors. The ULTIMATE player is the guy who has great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability in one package. Pip was NEVER that type of player. Not a diss JUST FACTS! On Open Court, I heard Zeke and Webber BOTH say they preferred Nique as a player over Pippen. On a peak-prime level, I agree with that. On a GOAT level, I give Pip the edge due to his overall resume. And FOR THE RECORD, Nique is my favorite player of all time. Yet I'm willing to admit GOAT wise Pip has the edge. Peak-prime wise, give me Nique!

Yet with six rings Pip NEVER CAME CLOSE to top 10-15 GOAT level status. Hell was never argued by ANY TV analyst, sports writer, former player, current player on television on that level. This is with six rings!!! Why is that for somebody with a resume as decorated as Pippen's. It's BECAUSE of his peak-prime value. It's the ONLY LOGICAL REASON!

Pip's one of the VERY SMALL AMOUNT of players that can say he revolutionized his position FLAT OUT! His 6'8 freak athletic point forward shit was the BLUEPRINT for G Hill and Bron down the road. So his solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great and redefining a position WEREN'T the problem. He DIDN'T have the blend of great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability that the MJs, Brons, Kobes, Magics, Birds, KDs, Wades, Oscars, Wests, Baylors, Barrys, Hondos, etc. on the perimeter. So peak-prime wise, he HAS to fall behind those guys.

So instead of being a top 10-15 GOAT legend with 6 rings, he's a top 30 legend type legend with six rings. Bill Russell in the top 5-6 GOAT is the EXCEPTION for a non-alpha dog scorer to be on the level. Because he had 11 rings and 5 MVPS. Pip accolades WHILE IMPRESSIVE weren't on that level to put him in that area.

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your problem is accepting those player's & coaches opinions as facts. Zeke's comments on the topic has flip flopped many times depending on his mood.

Again. It didn't flip flop. Thomas was referencing what happened in 92. You guys comprehension skills can't possibly be this bad. By the mid to late 90s, Thomas constantly said Pippen was one of the best players in the NBA.

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BINGO!! A lot of DELUSIONAL Pip fans fall into that. My opinions of Pip ARE BASED on a number of factors. The ULTIMATE player is the guy who has great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability in one package. Pip was NEVER that type of player. Not a diss JUST FACTS! On Open Court, I heard Zeke and Webber BOTH say they preferred Nique as a player over Pippen. On a peak-prime level, I agree with that. On a GOAT level, I give Pip the edge due to his overall resume. And FOR THE RECORD, Nique is my favorite player of all time. Yet I'm willing to admit GOAT wise Pip has the edge. Peak-prime wise, give me Nique!

Yet with six rings Pip NEVER CAME CLOSE to top 10-15 GOAT level status. Hell was never argued by ANY TV analyst, sports writer, former player, current player on television on that level. This is with six rings!!! Why is that for somebody with a resume as decorated as Pippen's. It's BECAUSE of his peak-prime value. It's the ONLY LOGICAL REASON!

Pip's one of the VERY SMALL AMOUNT of players that can say he revolutionized his position FLAT OUT! His 6'8 freak athletic point forward shit was the BLUEPRINT for G Hill and Bron down the road. So his solo accolades, team accolades, longevity being great and redefining a position WEREN'T the problem. He DIDN'T have the blend of great scoring ability AND very good to great all around ability that the MJs, Brons, Kobes, Magics, Birds, KDs, Wades, Oscars, Wests, Baylors, Barrys, Hondos, etc. on the perimeter. So peak-prime wise, he HAS to fall behind those guys.

So instead of being a top 10-15 GOAT legend with 6 rings, he's a top 30 legend type legend with six rings. Bill Russell in the top 5-6 GOAT is the EXCEPTION for a non-alpha dog scorer to be on the level. Because he had 11 rings and 5 MVPS. Pip accolades WHILE IMPRESSIVE weren't on that level to put him in that area.

Bro. You're giving your opinion. Now you're trying to back up your opinion by saying alluding to top 10-15. How many coaches and players have ever actually listed anything past a top 10? It normally a top 5 or a starting 5. I'm not even saying your wrong. Because it's your opinion. But I hold the opinions of the best that ever done it over some dude on the internet. And again, if the best are saying he was the best,, then why can't you just accept it?