VORP leaders of top 3 SRS regular season teams

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi - 7 times (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021)

Jordan - 5 times (1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Lebron - 5 times (2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2020)

Larry Bird - 9 times (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)

Tim Duncan - 9 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2013)

Kobe Bryant - 2 times (2008, 2009)

Shaquile Oneal - 3 times (1995, 2000, 2002)

So based on this list, it looks like Kawhi will end up being #1 out of all of them (assuming he has 3 more prime seasons which is a given at this point).

[Axe]

6/22

[000]

I thought Tim Duncan sucked?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I thought Tim Duncan sucked?

Compared to kawhi he does, kawhi will easily pass him up on this list.

Duncan also wasn't even the leader in VORP of the 1999 team, Robinson was. Also carried by manu in the 2005 playoffs VORP, Parker and kawhi won the 2007 and 2014 finals mvps.

[AirBonner]

All time
NBA Rank Player VORP
1. LeBron James 137.28
2. Michael Jordan* 116.08
3. John Stockton* 106.50
4. Karl Malone* 99.03
5. Kevin Garnett* 96.85
6. Tim Duncan* 91.12
7. Chris Paul 89.71
8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 85.72
9. Dirk Nowitzki 84.82
10. David Robinson* 81.96
11. Charles Barkley* 80.46
12. Kobe Bryant* 80.14
13. Julius Erving* 80.05
14. Magic Johnson* 79.97
15. Larry Bird* 77.24
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 75.51
17. Hakeem Olajuwon* 74.40
18. Jason Kidd* 73.45
19. Kevin Durant 71.59
20. Clyde Drexler* 70.22

[hold this L]

Kawhi - 7 times (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021)

Jordan - 5 times (1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Lebron - 5 times (2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2020)

Larry Bird - 9 times (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)

Tim Duncan - 9 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2013)

Kobe Bryant - 2 times (2008, 2009)

Shaquile Oneal - 3 times (1995, 2000, 2002)

So based on this list, it looks like Kawhi will end up being #1 out of all of them (assuming he has 3 more prime seasons which is a given at this point).

Isn't he the guy that has 0 MVPs and has led his team to 67 once his entire career? Best RS player? Also based on that list, Robin still has less times than Duncan.

https://c.tenor.com/Bbab2ZetJtIAAAAM/curry-spit-spit-laugh.gif

[ShawkFactory]

Compared to kawhi he does, kawhi will easily pass him up on this list.

Duncan also wasn't even the leader in VORP of the 1999 team, Robinson was. Also carried by manu in the 2005 playoffs VORP, Parker and kawhi won the 2007 and 2014 finals mvps.

You’re using a metric that has Duncan at #1 all time. You can’t backtrack when you do that. It’s incredibly weak.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Isn't he the guy that has 0 MVPs and has led his team to 67 once his entire career? Best RS player? Also based on that list, Robin still has less times than Duncan.

https://c.tenor.com/Bbab2ZetJtIAAAAM/curry-spit-spit-laugh.gif

2016 spurs - Net Rtg: +11.3 (1st of 30)


2016 warriors - Net Rtg: +10.7 (2nd of 30)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2016.html


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You’re using a metric that has Duncan at #1 all time. You can’t backtrack when you do that. It’s incredibly weak.

but Kawhi at 30 years old is clearly going to surpass him, that's my point.

Duncan dominated a slow pace, weak offense era (2000-2007).

Kawhi is dominating the best era.

[ShawkFactory]

but Kawhi at 30 years old is clearly going to surpass him, that's my point.

Duncan dominated a slow pace, weak offense era (2000-2007).

Kawhi is dominating the best era.

What does the pace have to do with anything?

If any it hurt Duncan's numbers.

[hold this L]

2016 spurs - Net Rtg: +11.3 (1st of 30)


2016 warriors - Net Rtg: +10.7 (2nd of 30)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2016.html


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html

and yet.. The Warriors have the greatest regular season ever and absolutely nobody gives a shit about the Spurs' season.

[Phoenix]

but Kawhi at 30 years old is clearly going to surpass him, that's my point.

Duncan dominated a slow pace, weak offense era (2000-2007).

Kawhi is dominating the best era.

But he's not dominating it. Winning one championship in the last 8 years against an injured team, no MVPs, load management, team makes the conference finals without you......that's not domination.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

and yet.. The Warriors have the greatest regular season ever and absolutely nobody gives a shit about the Spurs' season.

Spurs were playing that same season and had a better NET RATING then them, aka they were better then them.

Nobody gives a shit about the 2016 warriors either because they had the biggest chokejob in history.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

But he's not dominating it. Winning one championship in the last 8 years against an injured team, no MVPs, load management, team makes the conference finals without you......that's not domination.

He led his team in either minutes, PPG, GmSC and has eliminated the likes of Kevin Durant, Lebron James, James Harden, Giannis, Embiid, Curry, Luka.

Sounds like complete domination to me.

[SouBeachTalents]

Spurs were playing that same season and had a better NET RATING then them, aka they were better then them.

Nobody gives a shit about the 2016 warriors either because they had the biggest chokejob in history.
Still better than losing in the 2nd round. And you could absolutely argue the Clippers choke job against Denver was worse

[Phoenix]

He led his team in either minutes, PPG, GmSC and has eliminated the likes of Kevin Durant, Lebron James, James Harden, Giannis, Embiid, Curry, Luka.

Sounds like complete domination to me.

And one championship in the last 8 years to show for it? No MVPs? No leading the league in any major stat category coupled with that? A chip won because the other team lost KD and then Klay?

Sounds like you need your hearing checked.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi is so 'dominant' that he's not even in consideration for league MVP, nobody is worried about the Clips anymore, and sports talk shows have had 'should the Clips max deal Kawhi?' as talking points.

DOMINATION.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And one championship in the last 8 years to show for it? No MVPs? No leading the league in any major stat category coupled with that? A chip won because the other team lost KD and then Klay?

Sounds like you need your hearing checked.

regular season mvp is a narrative driven by the media who don't like kawhi, he clearly should of won MVP in 2016, 2017, 2020.


Kawhi has 2 finals MVPS at 30 years old. Kareem played until he's 40 and only ended with 2 finals MVPS.

Injuries are part of most chips, giannis had harden\irving hurt this season, duncan in 2003 had webber\dirk hurt, lebron in 2016 had draymond suspension and so on and so on. Garbage argument by you that's not worth the time and day.

[Phoenix]

regular season mvp is a narrative driven by the media who don't like kawhi, he clearly should of won MVP in 2016, 2017, 2020.


Kawhi has 2 finals MVPS at 30 years old. Kareem played until he's 40 and only ended with 2 finals MVPS.

Injuries are part of most chips, giannis had harden\irving hurt this season, duncan in 2003 had webber\dirk hurt, lebron in 2016 had draymond suspension and so on and so on. Garbage argument by you that's not worth the time and day.

Yet you replied anyway jackass. Dominant is Shaq in the early 2000s. MJ in the 90s. Lebron in Miami. Chips, MVPs, scoring titles, all-NBAs. Dominant isn't winning a title because the better team had injuries, going 6/22 in game 7 when you're supposed to be the best player on the floor( with the better team), then getting injured while your team still advances. Kawhit is not dominant and his 15 minutes in the sun ended in 2019. Keep up.

[SaintzFury13]

but Kawhi at 30 years old is clearly going to surpass him, that's my point.

Based on what exactly? You can make the argument that Kawhi's best years are already behind him. He's never going to be the dominant two way player that he once was with the Spurs. At best he's just going to continue to be a great offensive player who chimes in on defense when he needs to. And that's not even factoring his load management and injury issues.

[SaintzFury13]

regular season mvp is a narrative driven by the media who don't like kawhi, he clearly should of won MVP in 2016, 2017, 2020.

The fact that you think he has an argument for MVP in 2016 and 2020 is incredibly laughable.

At least 2017 you can make a case for it.

[Axe]

The raptors won 53 games in his first season with the clippers. Don't be a dick op.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yet you replied anyway jackass. Dominant is Shaq in the early 2000s. MJ in the 90s. Lebron in Miami. Chips, MVPs, scoring titles, all-NBAs. Dominant isn't winning a title because the better team had injuries, going 6/22 in game 7 when you're supposed to be the best player on the floor( with the better team), then getting injured while your team still advances. Kawhit is not dominant and his 15 minutes in the sun ended in 2019. Keep up.

Kawhi in 2019 finals had a higher GmSC then any miami lebron finals run, as well like 10x harder east finals path playing Embiid\Giannis.

Never played with anybody half as accomplished as Kobe or Pippen either.

You're too easy, i can beat you in arguments in my sleep.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The fact that you think he has an argument for MVP in 2016 and 2020 is incredibly laughable.

At least 2017 you can make a case for it.

2016 his team had the #1 net rating despite being in the same league as a f'n 73 win team.

2020 he played the same total amount of minutes as Giannis and is a better player then him.

[ShawkFactory]

2016 his team had the #1 net rating despite being in the same league as a f'n 73 win team.

2020 he played the same total amount of minutes as Giannis and is a better player then him.

You are an absolute joke

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You are an absolute joke

Kawhi was #2 in MVP voting in 2016 and top 5 in 2020, not sure why that's a joke to you but ok.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What does the pace have to do with anything?

If any it hurt Duncan's numbers.

he can get away with being a non alltime great offensive player in that era and still win. These days he would get exposed, just like gobert does every single year in the playoffs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Still better than losing in the 2nd round. And you could absolutely argue the Clippers choke job against Denver was worse

You're drunk. Clippers never won 73 games, clippers were not in the finals, and clippers were stuck in a hell hole hotel with no fans.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi in 2019 finals had a higher GmSC then any miami lebron finals run, as well like 10x harder east finals path playing Embiid\Giannis.

Never played with anybody half as accomplished as Kobe or Pippen either.

You're too easy, i can beat you in arguments in my sleep.

You can keep quoting GmSC and VORP till the cows come home. Gifted a chip in 19, 6/22, Playoff P to the rescue in 2021. Easy work.

[Phoenix]

Kawhits already an afterthought and nobody will bat an eye when he leaves. Can you imagine the great Kawhit Leonard stories in 20 years? Yeah, neither can I. Bu bu VORP!! Fukk outta here :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You can keep quoting GmSC and VORP till the cows come home. Gifted a chip in 19, 6/22, Playoff P to the rescue in 2021. Easy work.

yup i will keep making great arguments that destroy you. While you just type a bunch of words that have no meaning or substance. At least we're on the same page there.

How is 5-8 ball working out for you so far luka

[Phoenix]

yup i will keep making great arguments that destroy you. While you just type a bunch of words that have no meaning or substance. At least we're on the same page there.

How is 5-8 ball working out for you so far luka

Keep? I'm still waiting for you to make one whenever you can extend your vocabulary past Vorp and GmSc. Until then? 6/22 is the only surface level argument needed. 1 chip gift wrapped by an injured Warriors team. Thats about it really. You're ISHs biggest jizzrag for a reason.

22 year old Luka taking peak Kawhit to 7 games with a worse team is a compliment to Luka, but you're too retarded to grasp that.

[Phoenix]

https://www.nba.com/news/2021-22-gmsurvey

Kawhi in the heart of his prime and barely on any lists. MVP candidate? Nope? His team on the short list of title favourites? Nope? Best SF? Nope. On the list of players you'd start a franchise with? Nope. On the list of players coaches have to adjust for? Nope.

Kawhit or dominance. Pick one.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://www.nba.com/news/2021-22-gmsurvey

Kawhi in the heart of his prime and barely on any lists. MVP candidate? Nope? His team on the short list of title favourites? Nope? Best SF? Nope. On the list of players you'd start a franchise with? Nope. On the list of players coaches have to adjust for? Nope.

Kawhit or dominance. Pick one.


Which player is most likely to have a breakout season in 2021-22?
1. Jaren Jackson Jr., Memphis – 17%

Anybody who voted for this needs to get their brain reexamined. Watch Jackson JR play for 10 minutes and you'll realize he's not a star. Why should i trust a bunch of dumb**** GMS? Same type of guys who selected jimmer fredette over kawhi leonard???

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Keep? I'm still waiting for you to make one whenever you can extend your vocabulary past Vorp and GmSc. Until then? 6/22 is the only surface level argument needed. 1 chip gift wrapped by an injured Warriors team. Thats about it really. You're ISHs biggest jizzrag for a reason.

22 year old Luka taking peak Kawhit to 7 games with a worse team is a compliment to Luka, but you're too retarded to grasp that.

aaron brooks took kobe to 7 games in 2009 as well.

[Phoenix]

Anybody who voted for this needs to get their brain reexamined. Watch Jackson JR play for 10 minutes and you'll realize he's not a star. Why should i trust a bunch of dumb**** GMS? Same type of guys who selected jimmer fredette over kawhi leonard???

Nowhere on the lists. Where can you feel it?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Nowhere on the lists. Where can you feel it?

Luka #2 hahahaahah ok.

Go draft Jimmer over Kawhi again.

[Phoenix]

aaron brooks took kobe to 7 games in 2009 as well.

Cute. So Dorian Smith took Kawhit to 7? That would be the apples to apples comparison with that retarded take

[Phoenix]

Luka #2 hahahaahah ok.

Go draft Jimmer over Kawhi again.

Where does it hurt though? Not on any list. MVP. Player to adjust for. To start a franchise with. Top 3 Contender. Yikes...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Cute. So Dorian Smith took Kawhit to 7? That would be the apples to apples comparison with that retarded take

Taking someone to 7 = nothing

You have to win to mean something

That's my point, jesus you're stupid. I bet you would drafted Jimmer over Kawhi in a heartbeat.

[Phoenix]

Taking someone to 7 = nothing

You have to win to mean something

That's my point, jesus you're stupid. I bet you would drafted Jimmer over Kawhi in a heartbeat.

Yeah it means a lot, when a player with 3 years experience is that hard to eliminate for a peak player who has a better team. Bad look for Kawhit actually, Mavs should have been taken out in 5.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yeah it means a lot, when a player with 3 years experience is that hard to eliminate for a peak player who has a better team. Bad look for Kawhit actually, Mavs should have been taken out in 5.

0-3 at home

4 out of 5 straight

badly outplayed by kawhi statistically

i will take it

[Phoenix]

Luka getting picked for MVP, while Kawhi was being debated as being worth the max. 6/22.....

Hahahahahahahaha.

[Phoenix]

0-3 at home

4 out of 5 straight

badly outplayed by kawhi statistically

i will take it

Outscored Kawhit. Outbounded Kawhit. Out-assisted Kahwit.

[Phoenix]

2021 Mavs/Dallas

Game 7: Luka 46/14/7 . Kawhit 28/10/9

Too bad Luka doesn't have Morris and Pg13 dropping 20+ like Kawhit had

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2021 Mavs/Dallas

Game 7: Luka 46/14/7 . Kawhit 28/10/9

Too bad Luka doesn't have Morris and Pg13 dropping 20+ like Kawhit had

What's their numbers in game 6 Dallas when luka could of closed it out on his home court

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Outscored Kawhit. Outbounded Kawhit. Out-assisted Kahwit.

72% TS for goat and only like 2PPG less hahahahah

[AirBonner]

Bron the true vorp kang

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bron the true vorp kang

He has led 5 teams in VORP that were true elite teams (top 3 SRS).

Kawhi will end up doubling that (7 already).

[AirBonner]

He has led 5 teams in VORP that were true elite teams (top 3 SRS).

Kawhi will end up doubling that (7 already).

What about overall? ;)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What about overall? ;)

Yeah LeBron has pad his stats a lot but he's not consistently leading elite SRS teams like kawhi.

Since 2014, kawhi leads a top 3 SRS team over and over and over and over again. It's very godlike

[AirBonner]

Kawhi sits too much so you have to cherry-pick one particular series. Meanwhile LeBrons entire body of work completely shits on kawhit

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi sits too much so you have to cherry-pick one particular series. Meanwhile LeBrons entire body of work completely shits on kawhit

One series? This thread is about most season (s) of leading elite teams.

Kawhi's 2019 playoff run also destroys any lebron run he ever had. Kawhi has eliminated Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Harden, Embiid, Curry.

Now phoenix, say something stupid.

[Kobe_Bryant]

vorp must be a great measurement of talent since a point guard with zero accomplishments and no left hand is #3

[HBK_Kliq_2]

vorp must be a great measurement of talent since a point guard with zero accomplishments and no left hand is #3

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career_p.html

Playoff VORP stockton is only #11 and Kawhi's right on his ass, with Curry\Harden probably knocking him down by the end of their careers. So he'll be roughly 15th which is pretty crap for his longevity.

[TheCorporation]

All time
NBA Rank Player VORP
1. LeBron James 137.28
2. Michael Jordan* 116.08
3. John Stockton* 106.50
4. Karl Malone* 99.03
5. Kevin Garnett* 96.85
6. Tim Duncan* 91.12
7. Chris Paul 89.71
8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 85.72
9. Dirk Nowitzki 84.82
10. David Robinson* 81.96
11. Charles Barkley* 80.46
12. Kobe Bryant* 80.14
13. Julius Erving* 80.05
14. Magic Johnson* 79.97
15. Larry Bird* 77.24
16. Shaquille O'Neal* 75.51
17. Hakeem Olajuwon* 74.40
18. Jason Kidd* 73.45
19. Kevin Durant 71.59
20. Clyde Drexler* 70.22

/thread

[SaintzFury13]

Kawhi's 2019 playoff run also destroys any lebron run he ever had. Kawhi has eliminated Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Harden, Embiid, Curry.

That playoff run honestly doesn't hold up very well when compared to some of LeBron's best runs. 2007, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2018, all of these runs are superior to what Kawhi did in 2019.

[Bronbron23]

Kawhi - 7 times (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021)

Jordan - 5 times (1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Lebron - 5 times (2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2020)

Larry Bird - 9 times (1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988)

Tim Duncan - 9 times (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2013)

Kobe Bryant - 2 times (2008, 2009)

Shaquile Oneal - 3 times (1995, 2000, 2002)

So based on this list, it looks like Kawhi will end up being #1 out of all of them (assuming he has 3 more prime seasons which is a given at this point).

Imagine thinking vorp is actually something that people care about. These stat nerds are hilarious

[HBK_Kliq_2]

That playoff run honestly doesn't hold up very well when compared to some of LeBron's best runs. 2007, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2018, all of these runs are superior to what Kawhi did in 2019.

2007 hahahahaha when he averaged 22PPG on 35% FG and had a 10 GmSC

I was going to make a decent response until you mentioned that year, now i know you're trolling

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Imagine thinking vorp is actually something that people care about. These stat nerds are hilarious

Go look at the VORP leader of every single team in NBA history, it has like a 99.9% ratio of always being correct.

[Kobe_Bryant]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_career_p.html

Playoff VORP stockton is only #11 and Kawhi's right on his ass, with Curry\Harden probably knocking him down by the end of their careers. So he'll be roughly 15th which is pretty crap for his longevity.

pippen 8th? wtf lmao. throw that stat out

[HBK_Kliq_2]

pippen 8th? wtf lmao. throw that stat out

Top 10 player for ten years straight and went too like 9 conference finals during that span, not sure what you expect. Pippen had similar career value to you actually kobe, that's what advanced stats like VORP say.

[SATAN]

Jizzrag at it again.

[Phoenix]

72% TS for goat and only like 2PPG less hahahahah

Outscored. Out rebounded. Outassisted. Baby Luka doing that to prime Kawhit.

Hahahahaha.

[Phoenix]

What's their numbers in game 6 Dallas when luka could of closed it out on his home court

Game 7, 2020. 6 out of........

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Outscored. Out rebounded. Outassisted. Baby Luka doing that to prime Kawhit.

Hahahahaha.

Kawhi is 72% TS, 29 gmsc, 140 offensive rating.

Luka is at 57% TS, 26 gmsc, 114 offensive rating.

So kawhi is +15% TS, + 3 gmsc, +26 offensive rating.

Complete utter domination from Kawhi. He always does that to people, completely destroy them unless you injure him or throw him in a prison bubble with no fans. He was easily beating jokic too and was about to close series in 5 but didn't want to be stuck in a hotel with no fans.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi is 72% TS, 29 gmsc, 140 offensive rating.

Luka is at 57% TS, 26 gmsc, 114 offensive rating.

So kawhi is +15% TS, + 3 gmsc, +26 offensive rating.

Complete utter domination from Kawhi. He always does that to people, completely destroy them unless you injure him or throw him in a prison bubble with no fans. He was easily beating jokic too and was about to close series in 5 but didn't want to be stuck in a hotel with no fans.

All those advanced stats and it took him 7 games to beat baby Luka? With the 2nd best player on the floor being his own teammate. Should have been a sweep.

Unimpressive.:durantunimpressed:

[hold this L]

I like how the moron says prison bubble with no fans like every other player didn't have to deal with it as well. Clippers don't even have fans anyway, so Kwhitter should have been used to playing without fans.

[RRR3]

I like how the moron says prison bubble with no fans like every other player didn't have to deal with it as well. Clippers don't even have fans anyway, so Kwhitter should have been used to playing without fans.
Kawhi poops his pants consistently in big moments and this idiot HBK thinks he’s some clutch god :lol

FT to put the Heat away in 2013? CLANK!

Duncan’s last chance at a ring? Pooped on by KD and WB while Aldridge dominates Ibaka.

Up 3-1? Disgusting choke to 7’1 Windhorst

[Phoenix]

I like how the moron says prison bubble with no fans like every other player didn't have to deal with it as well. Clippers don't even have fans anyway, so Kwhitter should have been used to playing without fans.

If anything that means there was less pressure and Kawhit still choked, and the eye of Sauron focused squarely on his lack of leadership and ability to galvanize the locker-room.

The hilarious thing about him 'bragging' about Kawhi beating Luka in the playoffs: prime Bird was sweeping baby Jordan out of the playoffs, while Kawhit barely squeezes out two seven game series on baby Luka while having the better roster. He doesn't seem to grasp that there is no way Luka, with a worse team, should even be taking Kawhi to seven games at this stage in their careers. It's actually a bad look that Kawhi isn't handily beating Luka in a seven game series with HCA.

[RRR3]

If anything that means there was less pressure and Kawhit still choked, and the eye of Sauron focused squarely on his lack of leadership and ability to galvanize the locker-room.

The hilarious thing about him 'bragging' about Kawhi beating Luka in the playoffs: prime Bird was sweeping baby Jordan out of the playoffs, while Kawhit barely squeezes out two seven game series on baby Luka while having the better roster. He doesn't seem to grasp that there is no way Luka, with a worse team, should even be taking Kawhi to seven games at this stage in their careers. It's actually a bad look that Kawhi isn't handily beating Luka in a seven game series with HCA.
Kawhi gets nice stats but he just doesn’t have much impact. Joe Johnson level player tbh, was lucky he had HOFers like Duncan/Parker/Ginobili and Lowry/Marc Gasol

[Phoenix]

The simple reality is until( and we're never going to see it) Kawhi lands on some 30 win team that is then built from the ground up around him..... every team he's ever been on..........EVERY TEAM.....had an identity and were playoff level when he joined.

[SaintzFury13]

2016 his team had the #1 net rating despite being in the same league as a f'n 73 win team.

I don't care what his teams net rating was. He was not more valuable to his team than Stephen Curry, who had one of the greatest seasons of all time.


2020 he played the same total amount of minutes as Giannis and is a better player then him.

First off, no he's not, and second, Giannis was better on both ends of the floor that season. There is no argument for Kawhi over Giannis. None.

[SaintzFury13]

Kawhi was #2 in MVP voting in 2016 and top 5 in 2020, not sure why that's a joke to you but ok.

Steph was the unanimous MVP in 2016. It doesn't matter what Kawhi's ranking was. No one had an argument over Steph that season.

[SaintzFury13]

2007 hahahahaha when he averaged 22PPG on 35% FG and had a 10 GmSC

I was going to make a decent response until you mentioned that year, now i know you're trolling

His game 5 performance against Detroit alone puts 2007 above anything Kawhi ever did. He at least didn't need his teammates to do all the dirty work for him. LeBron basically did everything himself.

[hold this L]

One good thing about ish is that some posters are so dumb, it unites the entire forum to make fun of them. Brick is one of those MVPs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

One good thing about ish is that some posters are so dumb, it unites the entire forum to make fun of them. Brick is one of those MVPs.

I saved this forum, just like how kawhi saved the NBA in 2019.


Kawhi in 2019 pretty much just said "lebron and Durant you guys team hop too much to the point where your 4th best teammate is just as good as opponents best player, curry and harden you two are too much of a bitch. Its time for me to score 732 points on 62% TS and win finals mvp" hahahahha

[000]

I saved this forum, just like how kawhi saved the NBA in 2019.


Kawhi in 2019 pretty much just said "lebron and Durant you guys team hop too much to the point where your 4th best teammate is just as good as opponents best player, curry and harden you two are too much of a bitch. Its time for me to score 732 points on 62% TS and win finals mvp" hahahahha
Kawhi got bailed out by Mark Gasol. Yikes

[Phoenix]

I saved this forum, just like how kawhi saved the NBA in 2019.


Kawhi in 2019 pretty much just said "lebron and Durant you guys team hop too much to the point where your 4th best teammate is just as good as opponents best player, curry and harden you two are too much of a bitch. Its time for me to score 732 points on 62% TS and win finals mvp" hahahahha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrA30qcvK4

Kevin Durant 2019 playoffs: 32/5/5 66% TS, while sharing the offense with Steph and Klay

If that guy is playing the entire finals......... Kawhi ain't winning shit.

Hahahahahahaha. Ha.

[RRR3]

One good thing about ish is that some posters are so dumb, it unites the entire forum to make fun of them. Brick is one of those MVPs.
Yep, along with 3ball and Kenny.