is 2011 draft the greatest of all time?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi Leonard - arguably the greatest all around player to ever live

Kyrie Irving - arguably the greatest offensive point guard to ever live

Klay Thompson - arguably the greatest spot up shooter to ever live

and then other multiple time allstars like jimmy butler, kemba walker, Nikola Vučević

[Manny98]

It's up there, arguably top 5 maybe even top 3 but the 84 class was the clear GOAT

Jordan - The GOAT
Hakeem - top 3 center ever
Barkley - top 3 power forward ever
Stockton - top 5 PG ever
Otis Thorpe
Sam Perkins
Kersey
Schmidt
Alvin Robertson
Kevin Willis

[Shogon]

1984, 1996, 2003 are the strongest I can think of.

[Bronbron23]

Kawhi Leonard - arguably the greatest all around player to ever live

Kyrie Irving - arguably the greatest offensive point guard to ever live

Klay Thompson - arguably the greatest spot up shooter to ever live

and then other multiple time allstars like jimmy butler, kemba walker, Nikola Vučević

84 is better

[ShawkFactory]

2003

outside of the big ones:

Hinrich
David West
Josh Howard
Mo Williams
Korver
Peitrus
Perkins
Barbosa
Pachulia

When you add Lebron, Wade, Melo, and Bosh to it that one is inarguable top 3.

84 and 96 are the top 2.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

84 is better

In terms of skill, it don't get any better then Irving/klay/kawhi

[Bronbron23]

In terms of skill, it don't get any better then Irving/klay/kawhi

I don't know man mj and Hakeem are as skilled as kyrie and kawhi. Klay isn't even all that skilled offensively. He can just shoot like muthafuka. Barkley was more skilled than klay.

[ShawkFactory]

I don't know man mj and Hakeem are as skilled as kyrie and kawhi. Klay isn't even all that skilled offensively. He can just shoot like muthafuka. Barkley was more skilled than klay.

Hakeem/Jordan/Barkley and Kobe/Nash/Allen.

Boom lol

[WhiteKyrie]

1) 1984 - GOAT, Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton
2) 2003 - 2nd Place GOAT, Wade, Melo, Bosh
3) 1996 - Kobe, Iverson, Nash, R. Allen

Pretty obvious ranking.

[SouBeachTalents]

Everyone knows '84, '96 & '03 are the 3 greatest draft classes ever. To fill out the top 5 I'd add

1985: Malone, Ewing, Mullin, Dumars, Porter, Schrempf

1987: Robinson, Pippen, Reggie, KJ

2018 looks like it's on track to potentially be the next all time great draft class. In regards to this thread, looking at it's top 3, Duncan, McGrady & Billups in '97 is honestly better than 2011

[HBK_Kliq_2]

1) 1984 - GOAT, Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton
2) 2003 - 2nd Place GOAT, Wade, Melo, Bosh
3) 1996 - Kobe, Iverson, Nash, R. Allen

Pretty obvious ranking.


Everyone knows '84, '96 & '03 are the 3 greatest draft classes ever. To fill out the top 5 I'd add

1985: Malone, Ewing, Mullin, Dumars, Porter, Schrempf

1987: Robinson, Pippen, Reggie, KJ

2018 looks like it's on track to potentially be the next all time great draft class. In regards to this thread, looking at it's top 3, Duncan, McGrady & Billups in '97 is honestly better than 2011

1984 is the only argument i see.

Kawhi > Lebron
Irving > Wade
Klay = Carmello


and 1996

Kawhi > Kobe
Irving > Nash (his 2016 playoff run was better then any nash playoff run)
Klay = Ray Allen

[ShawkFactory]

1984 is the only argument i see.

Kawhi > Lebron
Irving > Wade
Klay = Carmello


and 1996

Kawhi > Kobe
Irving > Nash (his 2016 playoff run was better then any nash playoff run)
Klay = Ray Allen

You need to reel it in some. If you continue to say shit like this then people will completely stop taking you seriously and just troll you back, which I know is not what you want.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

You need to reel it in some. If you continue to say shit like this then people will completely stop taking you seriously and just troll you back, which I know is not what you want.

zero arguments for kobe over kawhi

irving and wade is arguable

irving is clearly a better playoff player then nash

klay was more valuable to winning basketball then carmello ever was

i don't see how any of it is trolling

[SouBeachTalents]

zero arguments for kobe over kawhi

irving and wade is arguable

irving is clearly a better playoff player then nash

klay was more valuable to winning basketball then carmello ever was

i don't see how any of it is trolling
Now that's retarded

[ShawkFactory]

zero arguments for kobe over kawhi

irving and wade is arguable

irving is clearly a better playoff player then nash

klay was more valuable to winning basketball then carmello ever was

i don't see how any of it is trolling

Bitch what did I just say?

[Gohan]

84
96
03

In this order

[Gohan]

zero arguments for kobe over kawhi

irving and wade is arguable

irving is clearly a better playoff player then nash

klay was more valuable to winning basketball then carmello ever was

i don't see how any of it is trolling

Get your retarded ass from out of your own thread

[SaintzFury13]

Kawhi > Lebron
Irving > Wade
Klay = Carmello


Imagine being this stupid.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Get your retarded ass from out of your own thread

Irving is what you pretend that Iverson was

[SaintzFury13]

Irving is what you pretend that Iverson was

And LeBron James is what you pretend Kawhi Leonard is.

Stop being a retard.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And LeBron James is what you pretend Kawhi Leonard is.

Stop being a retard.

I don't have to pretend that kawhi can shoot. You have to pretend that LeBron can shoot because he's the worst non big free throw shooter in NBA history for a all time great.

LeBron also never had a playoff run of 732 points on 62% TS and eliminated 3 players of the caliber of curry, giannis, embiid

[Gohan]

Irving is what you pretend that Iverson was

Sorry iverson actually played

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Sorry iverson actually played


https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=irvinky01&p1yrfrom=2016&player_id2=iversal01&p2yrfrom=2001

Irving in 2016 vs Iverson in 2001

Irving has the higher PER, offensive rating, win shares and +9% TS

Irving actually knew how to put the ball in the hoop.

[Gohan]

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=irvinky01&p1yrfrom=2016&player_id2=iversal01&p2yrfrom=2001

Irving in 2016 vs Iverson in 2001

Irving has the higher PER, offensive rating, win shares and +9% TS

Irving actually knew how to put the ball in the hoop.

Im sure its not partially because he played with lebron and iverson had eric snow as his second option

[Axe]

2011 klay the catalyst to the warriors making playoff runs after his rookie year.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Im sure its not partially because he played with lebron and iverson had eric snow as his second option

Irving 2021 reg season is better then any Iverson season as well and he had Durant for like 10 games.

Your lack of supporting cast is why you choose to constantly jack up bricks? That's a new one, that didn't hurt kawhi when all he had was Lowry

[Gohan]

Irving 2021 reg season is better then any Iverson season as well and he had Durant for like 10 games.

Your lack of supporting cast is why you choose to constantly jack up bricks? That's a new one, that didn't hurt kawhi when all he had was Lowry

Iverson>>> kawhi


Factz
Me>>>you
Factz

[Phoenix]

You need to reel it in some. If you continue to say shit like this then people will completely stop taking you seriously and just troll you back, which I know is not what you want.

That's precisely what that fool wants.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Iverson>>> kawhi


Factz
Me>>>you
Factz

What's the point or arguing with you over Iverson when I expose him and you just blame his teammates? He didn't win anything with Carmello either.

[ShawkFactory]

You know what’s really really funny? Kawhi’s current teammate had a higher RAPTOR than Kawhi in the playoffs during that “GOAT” playoff run :lol

[Bronbron23]

1984 is the only argument i see.

Kawhi > Lebron
Irving > Wade
Klay = Carmello


and 1996

Kawhi > Kobe
Irving > Nash (his 2016 playoff run was better then any nash playoff run)
Klay = Ray Allen

Bruh u trippin on the good good. I love kawhi but he not better than bron and Irving isn't anywhere near wade. Kyrie not even better than nash. Nash did his thing as the man. Irving had the luxury of not having to lead and just going out there and score. Don't get me wrong kyrie was great but he ain't nash.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Bruh u trippin on the good good. I love kawhi but he not better than bron and Irving isn't anywhere near wade. Kyrie not even better than nash. Nash did his thing as the man. Irving had the luxury of not having to lead and just going out there and score. Don't get me wrong kyrie was great but he ain't nash.

well neither irving or nash were great at being 1st option scorers. Nash had Dirk f'n Nowitzki and couldn't win shit, had his own team handed to him in phoenix and couldn't win shit. Meanwhile, irving won a championship in 2016 and made the biggest shot in finals history. On top of that, Irving's advanced stats in 2016 are better then any Nash playoff run you want to come up with.

Kawhi's 2019 playoff run is also better then lebron when he eliminated Embiid\Butler\Giannis\Curry and scored 732 points on 62% TS

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi Leonard - arguably the greatest all around player to ever live

Kyrie Irving - arguably the greatest offensive point guard to ever live

Klay Thompson - arguably the greatest spot up shooter to ever live

and then other multiple time allstars like jimmy butler, kemba walker, Nikola Vučević

Top 3-4 behind 1984 which is #1, 1996 #2 and battle with 2003 for #3.

[Bronbron23]

well neither irving or nash were great at being 1st option scorers. Nash had Dirk f'n Nowitzki and couldn't win shit, had his own team handed to him in phoenix and couldn't win shit. Meanwhile, irving won a championship in 2016 and made the biggest shot in finals history. On top of that, Irving's advanced stats in 2016 are better then any Nash playoff run you want to come up with.

Kawhi's 2019 playoff run is also better then lebron when he eliminated Embiid\Butler\Giannis\Curry and scored 732 points on 62% TS

Yeah i agree neither are the best first options but if i had to chose between the 2 i'm taking nash every day and twice on Sundays. As a leader and just in general he's just way more professional and reliable. Between Kyrie's injuries and mental issues he's not someone u can rely on as a leader. On the other hand as a second option i'd probably take kyrie.

As far as kawhi i just can't put him above bron. Yeah he was great in 2019 but he loses that finals if warriors aren't hurt. It's just too much of an asterisk in my eyes to put that chip above brons in 16.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yeah i agree neither are the best first options but if i had to chose between the 2 i'm taking nash every day and twice on Sundays. As a leader and just in general he's just way more professional and reliable. Between Kyrie's injuries and mental issues he's not someone u can rely on as a leader. On the other hand as a second option i'd probably take kyrie.

As far as kawhi i just can't put him above bron. Yeah he was great in 2019 but he loses that finals if warriors aren't hurt. It's just too much of an asterisk in my eyes to put that chip above brons in 16.

Irving is the one who actually proved it on the biggest stage, while nash never proved anything on the biggest stage. So I can trust and rely on Irving a lot more. Irving isn't the same floor general but his usage was a lot higher then nash and scoring responsibility.

Kawhi beat the same warriors team that Lebron did in 2016, just give Klay a missed game instead of Draymond. Except it was easier for Lebron because he had Irving who is better then anybody that Kawhi had. Also Draymond has clearly been more valuable to warriors 2015-2019 then Klay was.

[Dr. Lemon]

Irving is the one who actually proved it on the biggest stage, while nash never proved anything on the biggest stage. So I can trust and rely on Irving a lot more. Irving isn't the same floor general but his usage was a lot higher then nash and scoring responsibility.

Kawhi beat the same warriors team that Lebron did in 2016, just give Klay a missed game instead of Draymond. Except it was easier for Lebron because he had Irving who is better then anybody that Kawhi had. Also Draymond has clearly been more valuable to warriors 2015-2019 then Klay was.

I'm new to these boards, but this post seems to indicate you have severe brain damage.

Wishing you the best.

[bobopenguin]

iverson took his team to final, what exactly did irving achieved ever since lebron left?

[bobopenguin]

wait, u are exactly the same fking dude said:

Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
Clearly Giannis.

He pretty much has Kevin Garnett defense with shaq offense. That's easily a better player then any version of Duncan

[HBK_Kliq_2]

iverson took his team to final, what exactly did irving achieved ever since lebron left?

Irving WON the finals, he averaged 27PPG on great efficiency and hit the biggest shot of the series. Outplayed the mvp curry as well.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

wait, u are exactly the same fking dude said:

Quote Originally Posted by HBK_Kliq_2 View Post
Clearly Giannis.

He pretty much has Kevin Garnett defense with shaq offense. That's easily a better player then any version of Duncan

yeah that was me. what the hell does that have to do with anything.

[iamgine]

If it is, it's not an opinion shared by many.

[Sulico]

It's weird that almost nobody mentiones 1985 draft, and it is by far greatest draft by combined win shares of players drafted.

Here is combined win shares of draft classes:

1979 - 1119.4
1980 - 801.3
1981 - 1195.1
1982 - 994.6
1983 - 1095.1
1984 - 1552.8

We see a giant leap with 84 draft as expected, but then the next year we have

1985 - 1707.4

And this is huge gap, 154.6 is a win shares of top 30 player, so 85 have all 84 have plus one hall of famer.

Other candidates for best draft class:

1996 - 1464.3

2003 - 1424.9


And here are win shares of other noticeable draft classes:

1987 - 1338.8

1992 - 1154.7

1998 - 1371

1999 - 1311.9

2001 - 1279.7

2009 - 1204.1

2011 - 1080.9

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It's weird that almost nobody mentiones 1985 draft, and it is by far greatest draft by combined win shares of players drafted.

Here is combined win shares of draft classes:

1979 - 1119.4
1980 - 801.3
1981 - 1195.1
1982 - 994.6
1983 - 1095.1
1984 - 1552.8

We see a giant leap with 84 draft as expected, but then the next year we have

1985 - 1707.4

And this is huge gap, 154.6 is a win shares of top 30 player, so 85 have all 84 have plus one hall of famer.

Other candidates for best draft class:

1996 - 1464.3

2003 - 1424.9


And here are win shares of other noticeable draft classes:

1987 - 1338.8

1992 - 1154.7

1998 - 1371

1999 - 1311.9

2001 - 1279.7

2009 - 1204.1

2011 - 1080.9

2011 has 6 championships and 10 finals appearances between the top 3 players. Pretty damn good, especially when they are all still in the middle of their primes.