It’s insane LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors

[AirBonner]

The team with the two greatest shooters of all time :biggums:

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron would be viewed as the undisputed goat nowadays had he beat the Durant Warriors in the 2017 or 2018 finals after his victory in the 2016 finals.

[AirBonner]

Lebron would be viewed as the undisputed goat nowadays had he beat the Durant Warriors in the 2017 or 2018 finals after his victory in the 2016 finals.

73 win warriors is all you need to know

[coastalmarker99]

73 win warriors is all you need to know

Beating that Durant Warriors with that 2018 Cavs team would mean far more than practically every single championship win including Lebron's title win in 2016.



We are talking about a Cavs team with a 14ppg second-best player.


and a GSW team with Curry, Durant, Thompson and Green who by that time won 2 out of the last 3 championships and beat a significantly better Cavs team in 5 games the prior season.



I don't think even 3ball could make a serious argument about Lebron not being the Goat if he won the title in 2018.

[AirBonner]

2016 warriors were the better team. Record checks out

[3ba11]

Beating that Durant Warriors with that 2018 Cavs team would mean far more than practically every single championship win including Lebron's title win in 2016.



We are talking about a Cavs team with a 14ppg second-best player.


and a GSW team with Curry, Durant, Thompson and Green who by that time won 2 out of the last 3 championships and beat a significantly better Cavs team in 5 games the prior season.



I don't think even 3ball could make a serious argument about Lebron not being the Goat if he won the title in 2018.


Lebron lost by record amount in 2018 - so he's the furthest from goat that's possible

And his 2016 ring equals Jordan's rings if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley and Malone in the Finals like Kyrie did Curry..

It's cool that the Cavs beat a 73-win team, but that was Kyrie's ring just as much as Bron's

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The defensive anchor and main playmaker (aka the pippen) was draymond green. Was he playing every game?

No Dray, no trey. Curry has never done shit in his career without Draymond, he even puts Jordan without Pippen to shame.

[AirBonner]

Lebron lost by record amount in 2018 - so he's the furthest from goat that's possible

And his 2016 ring equals Jordan's rings if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley and Malone in the Finals like Kyrie did Curry..

It's cool that the Cavs beat a 73-win team, but that was Kyrie's ring just as much as Bron's
Nah leading everyone in everything was the difference bud

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Lebron would be viewed as the undisputed goat nowadays had he beat the Durant Warriors in the 2017 or 2018 finals after his victory in the 2016 finals.

too bad he couldn't even beat them more than Lou Williams did.

[outofstomach]

:facepalm

he’s right :applause:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2016 warriors were the better team. Record checks out

but without draymond, they are like conley\mitchell without gobert

ya know? a lottery team.

Kawhi beat the better version of the warriors because Draymond is a much better overall player then Klay and every advance stat shows that.

[3ba11]

Nah leading everyone in everything was the difference bud


If Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone, no one would give Jordan any credit for winning those titles - no one ever got credit when they're sidekick destroyed the league MVP

it's just a double standard with Lebron because people are dumb.. literally dumb.

Leading 5 categories means nothing and is a misdirection - Lebron had an equal-scoring partner that destroyed the league MVP and closed the series - how can you have carry-job if your sidekick scored just as much as you?... :confusedshrug:

[ELITEpower23]

The team with the two greatest shooters of all time :biggums:

We'll never seen anything like it ever again

https://i.postimg.cc/G3jt1W6p/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[FultzNationRISE]

Everyone in the Lebron Fam, do me a favor and hold this real quick:







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[3ba11]

We'll never seen anything like it ever again

https://i.postimg.cc/G3jt1W6p/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


^^^ Means literally nothing

If Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone, no one would give Jordan any credit for winning those titles - no one gets credit for a title when their sidekick destroyed the league MVP

it's just a double standard with Lebron because people are dumb.. literally dumb.

Leading 5 categories means nothing and is a misdirection - Lebron had an equal-scoring partner that destroyed the league MVP and closed the series - how can you have carry-job if your sidekick scored just as much as you?...

[warriorfan]

Low iqs everywhere

[Stephonit]

2015 Warriors championship > 2016 Cavaliers championship

[8Ball]

We'll never seen anything like it ever again

https://i.postimg.cc/G3jt1W6p/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

This.

It will never happen again.

2016 was as painful for Bran haters as Ray Allen's shot.

2016 was the greatest finals performance ever.

When they look back at greatest finals, NONE will be from the 90s :oldlol:. It will be 2016.

[ELITEpower23]

This.

It will never happen again.

2016 was as painful for Bran haters as Ray Allen's shot.

2016 was the greatest finals performance ever.

When they look back at greatest finals, NONE will be from the 90s :oldlol:. It will be 2016.

They're stuck in a fit of rage all because of LeKing


https://sports.inquirer.net/files/2016/06/NBA-FINALS-CHAMPIONSHIP-MVP.jpg

[3ba11]

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https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/d-aNve.gif


^^^ Equal-scoring partner that won the series... Equal-scoring partner = shared load

[ELITEpower23]

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https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/d-aNve.gif


^^^ Equal-scoring partner that won the series... Equal-scoring partner = shared load

Speaking of top producers

https://i.postimg.cc/WzqNqNKR/LBJ_Top_Producer.png

[3ba11]

Speaking of top producers

https://i.postimg.cc/WzqNqNKR/LBJ_Top_Producer.png


Lebron needed equal scoring partners for entire playoff runs (shared load), while MJ averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick in every series (carry-job)

The reason Lebron needs equal-scoring partners is because he lacks the jumpshooting skill to shoot well at carry-job volumes (so he needs a 1b), and he doesn't take contested jumpers (so he needs someone who will)... Nor does he command double-teams, so he can't control defenses and induce adjustments - so he's just a weaker offensive force that needs an equal-scoring partner.

Btw, Jordan also assisted more than Pippen, so that chart is wrong, but who cares about role player categories anyway - only scoring matters/changes the scoreboard

[ELITEpower23]

Lebron needed equal scoring partners (shared load), while MJ scored 10-30 more in every series (carry-job)

The reason Lebron needs equal-scoring partners is because he lacks the jumpshooting skill to shoot well at carry-job volumes (so he needs a 1b), and he doesn't take contested jumpers (so he needs someone who will)... Nor does he command double-teams, so he can't control defenses and induce adjustments - so he's just a weaker offensive force that needs an equal-scoring partner.

Btw, Jordan also assisted more than Pippen, so that chart is wrong, but who cares about role player categories anyway - only scoring changes the scoreboard

LeBron out produced at every level. MJ only led in scoring, he was outproduced by the top producer Scottie Pippen.

[3ba11]

LeBron out produced at every level. MJ only led in scoring, he was outproduced by the top producer Scottie Pippen.


Lebron was actually outscored by teammates in 2 playoffs - 2011 and 2020 - while Kyrie matched Lebron in 2016.. So Lebron always needed a sidekick that could outscore him (Wade, Kyrie, AD)

Don't be embarassed that Lebron needed a teammate to outscore him - everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs and had low statistical peak.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

Btw, Jordan is #1 all-time in every production rate stat - he's the #1 producer in history

[ELITEpower23]

Top producers

https://i.postimg.cc/WzqNqNKR/LBJ_Top_Producer.png

Anything else?

[3ba11]

Top producers

https://i.postimg.cc/WzqNqNKR/LBJ_Top_Producer.png

Anything else?


Lebron can't carry teams because he needs an equal-scoring partner and teammates that are capable of outscoring him for entire playoff runs (11', 20')

Btw, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage thatn Pippen - Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in thei playoffs

[AirBonner]

Top producers

https://i.postimg.cc/WzqNqNKR/LBJ_Top_Producer.png

Anything else?

No rebuttal in sight

[coastalmarker99]

I am LMAO at 3ball using AD outscoring Lebron by only 3 points in the 2020 playoffs against him.




As Lebron lead the 2020 postseason in assists and rebounds and won the finals MVP to go along with being second in total points.

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron can't carry teams because he needs an equal-scoring partner and teammates that are capable of outscoring him for entire playoff runs (11', 20')

Btw, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage thatn Pippen - Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in thei playoffs

Lebron in 2020 was 3 points short of being the first player in NBA history to lead the playoffs in Points, Rebounds and Assists.




Lebron doing that at age 35, in his 17th season en route to a dominant title run is ridiculous.

[coastalmarker99]

Lebron can't carry teams because he needs an equal-scoring partner and teammates that are capable of outscoring him for entire playoff runs (11', 20')

Btw, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage thatn Pippen - Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in thei playoffs


Did you say that Lebron can't carry teams :hammerhead:

In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In-Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors, LeBron James became the first player in NBA History to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game. Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.


Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:

1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points

2 LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points


Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:

T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points

T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points



Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:

LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals

Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals

Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:

8 of the 13 highest scoring games

9 of the 25 highest assisting games

8 of the 26 highest rebounding games


Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%

T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%

T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%

T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%

T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%


In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG. That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points

2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points

3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points

4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points

5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points


Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :

1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG

2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG

3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG

4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG


Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :

1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points

2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points

3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points

4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points

5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points



Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History

T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8

T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8

3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

[LAL]

Did you say that Lebron can't carry teams :hammerhead:

In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs vs the Pacers LeBron James accounted for 35% of the Cavs total points, rebounds and assists.

Also In the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers LeBron James won a playoff series without any teammate scoring 20 points in any of the games for the first time in his career.

In Game 7 of the First Round of the 2018 Playoffs against the Indiana Pacers, LeBron James became the first player in NBA history to have at least 45 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, and 4 steals in a Game 7.

In-Game 2 of the 2018 Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Toronto Raptors, LeBron James became the first player in NBA History to have at least 42 points, 8 rebounds, and 14 assists in a Playoff Game. Since then, Luka Doncic has also done it in the 2021 Playoffs.


Most Points in a Game 7 Win in NBA Playoff History:

1. Sam Jones (1963) - 47 Points

2 LeBron James (2018) - 45 Points


Most Points on the Road in a Game 7 Win to Advance to the Finals in NBA Playoff History:

T1. LeBron James (2018) - 35 Points

T1. Shaquille O’Neal (2002) - 35 Points



Players to Lead Both Teams Outright in Points, Rebounds, and Assists in a Game 7 in NBA Playoff History:

LeBron James - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals

Jayson Tatum - 2020 Eastern Conference Semifinals

Larry Bird - 1984 Eastern Conference Semifinals



In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James had:

8 of the 13 highest scoring games

9 of the 25 highest assisting games

8 of the 26 highest rebounding games


Highest Percentage of a Team's Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks in a Finals Run:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 32%

T2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1974) - 30%

T2. LeBron James (2015) - 30%

T4. Shaquille O’Neal (2000) - 29%

T4. LeBron James (2012) - 29%


In the 2018 Playoffs, LeBron James scored or assisted on 55.4 PPG through the Eastern Conference Playoffs, which was the most he has ever had in all of his 10 finals runs.


LeBron James had 612 points in the first 18 games of the 2018 Playoffs, which was 34 PPG. That is tied with Michael Jordan in the 1992 Playoffs for the most PPG entering the Finals since 1970.

Most Points in a Single Playoff Run Entering NBA Finals in NBA Playoff History:

1. LeBron James (2018) - 612 Points

2. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 594 Points

3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 591 Points

4. Michael Jordan (1990) - 587 Points

5. Kevin Durant (2014) - 563 Points


Most PPG in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History minimum of 19 games :

1. Michael Jordan (1993) - 35.1 PPG

2. LeBron James (2018) - 34.9 PPG

3. Michael Jordan (1992) - 34.5 PPG

4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 33.0 PPG


Most Points in a Single Playoff Run in NBA Playoff History :

1. Michael Jordan (1992) - 759 Points

2. LeBron James (2018) - 748 Points

3. Kawhi Leonard (2019) - 732 Points

4. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995) - 725 Points

5. Allen Iverson (2001) - 723 Points



Most 40 Point Games in a Single Postseason in NBA Playoff History

T1. LeBron James (2018) - 8

T1. Jerry West (1965) - 8

3. Michael Jordan (1989) - 7

Lmao 2018.

Didn't win shit, traded half his superteam for players that fit his game for better stats and less pressure to win.. He HaD nO HeLp ThAt YeAr. He knew he was gone the next season. He knew KD and the Warriors were coming for that ass. Played with less pressure and started shooting more jumpers.. and his fans were mesmerized by it lol. So yes, can't carry teams, Westbrook stats or not, doesn't matter. He lacks real game if you watch him and forget about stats for one millisecond.



No halp! Wild wild East!
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[Axe]

It is also the same year stephen curry got embarrassed in the finals by role player matthew dellavedova with his spectacular defense. For some reason, 'i'm here, i'm back' took a toll on him immediately. :ohwell:

[HylianNightmare]

Draymond

[LeCola]

Lost finals against:

58 win team
57 win team
62 win team
67 win team
67 win team
58 win team

[Gohan]

Im the man f lebron

[Overdrive]

I am LMAO at 3ball using AD outscoring Lebron by only 3 points in the 2020 playoffs against him.




As Lebron lead the 2020 postseason in assists and rebounds and won the finals MVP to go along with being second in total points.

Lebron stans are using some 20ish assists/blocks/steals in 6 title runs in that Pippen/Jordan meme. Both sides are disingenuous. The '16 title was great, but the finals Warriors weren't close to the RS Warriors, even before the finals. They barely escaped the my turn your turn Thunder.

[Manny98]

Will we ever see a second option drop 41 in a finals game and hit the clutchest shot in finals history


https://youtu.be/sMggiPd2Z_0


https://youtu.be/kIF8zcj_J4Y

[RRR3]

Beating that Durant Warriors with that 2018 Cavs team would mean far more than practically every single championship win including Lebron's title win in 2016.



We are talking about a Cavs team with a 14ppg second-best player.


and a GSW team with Curry, Durant, Thompson and Green who by that time won 2 out of the last 3 championships and beat a significantly better Cavs team in 5 games the prior season.



I don't think even 3ball could make a serious argument about Lebron not being the Goat if he won the title in 2018.
LeBron could beat a literal all star team with g leaguers and some people wouldn’t give him credit. LeBron beating the Warriors in 2018 wasn’t really possible. Definitely not after he hurt his hand. However if the refs didn’t completely cheat the Cavs out of game 1 (which is how he got mad enough to hurt his hand) he probably takes it to 6 and we look at that series differently.

[8Ball]

Top producers

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Anything else?

No rebuttal in sight.

[kawhileonard2]

Why did he get a guy suspended then?

[kawhileonard2]

No rebuttal in sight.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher