Red Auerbach "There's something about Shaq that disturbs me..."

[jongib369]

https://youtu.be/auO5X6vZP5Q?t=622



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html#1993-2005-sum:per_game

Was it a lack of effort, and or a lack of instinct? Give Dennis Rodman Shaqs body I cant imagine how many he'd get... The leverage for positioning with those feet alone is a huge advantage. Everything else is stating the obvious

[Shogon]

https://youtu.be/auO5X6vZP5Q?t=622



https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html#1993-2005-sum:per_game

Was it a lack of effort, and or a lack of instinct? Give Dennis Rodman Shaqs body I cant imagine how many he'd get... The leverage for positioning with those feet alone is a huge advantage. Everything else is stating the obvious

https://youtu.be/auO5X6vZP5Q?t=630

"There's something about Shaq that disturbs me. He's not a great rebounder. You know the game... did you ever see him really jump for a rebound?"

"The only great rebounders were Russell and Chamberlain."

Nothing to see here, only a borderline senile, out of touch old man on his literal last legs making claims that there were only 2 good rebounders in NBA history up to that point.

Shaq is a 4 time champion as the main man, best player and most important player on all the teams he was on despite coughing up a Finals MVP to Wade.

Red was wrong.

Shaq had plenty of killer instinct, plenty of instinct for the game, plenty of talent and plenty of skill.

The only thing he "lacked" was a psychotic level workout routine on his body/diet and also practicing his game. But that is literally the "only" thing that stopped him from being the actual literal GOAT.

As it stands, Shaq is still one of the very best players ever despite not being a psycho. Shaq is one of the nicest guys off the court but on the court he was a killer.

[coastalmarker99]

Had Shaq had a psychotic level workout routine on his body/diet and also practising his game he would have retired after only 13 or 14 seasons.


As his body might have just failed him.


We'll obviously never know, but a lot of "hard-working" big men bodies just broke down because being 300+ pounds and playing basketball year-round is tough.


Maybe Shaq's the GOAT if he works harder or maybe his knees give out after 7-8 years.


It should be noted that Shaq had the longest career of any 300+ pound guy in NBA history with a career of 19 seasons.


He's either the luckiest mother****er out there. Or he did something right.

[coastalmarker99]

Moses Malone belongs in the same discussion as Wilt and Russell when you talk about all-time great rebounders.


Moses Malone has the 3 highest total offensive rebound seasons in NBA history, and 6 of the top 11!


Offensive rebounds weren't tracked until the 73-74 season.


So Wilt, Russell, and others aren't included, but it's still unreal how dominant he was in this part of the game.


He holds the top 3 season totals!

587 in '1979,

573 in 1980,

558 in 1982.


Rodman is the only other person to crack 500, with 523 in '1992

Malone also has the 5th most in '81, 7th most in '83, and tied for 11th with Drummond in 1977





Moses Malone finished his career with 6,731 offensive rebounds.


The next closest player to him is Robert Parish with 4,598.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Was it a lack of effort, and or a lack of instinct? Give Dennis Rodman Shaqs body I cant imagine how many he'd get... The leverage for positioning with those feet alone is a huge advantage. Everything else is stating the obvious
Not sure about that. How often is the biggest guy the top rebounder? Often its a guy with some size but Rodman had a level of quickness and athleticism to get around that Shaq didn't (Shaq was very quick and athletic for his size but that still put him behind Rodman in those areas). Rodman, Barkley, and Ben Wallace are possibly the best rebounders of my lifetime and none of them are anywhere near 7 feet tall.

[Shogon]

Not sure about that. How often is the biggest guy the top rebounder? Often its a guy with some size but Rodman had a level of quickness and athleticism to get around that Shaq didn't (Shaq was very quick and athletic for his size but that still put him behind Rodman in those areas). Rodman, Barkley, and Ben Wallace are possibly the best rebounders of my lifetime and none of them are anywhere near 7 feet tall.

Rodman belongs on that list. The other two do not.

Rodman might be the best rebounder in NBA history, forget about your lifetime.

There are multiple active NBA players that were/are arguably better rebounders than Wallace & Barkley, let alone in your lifetime.

From a basketball perspective, Rodman would be one of my favorite players in NBA history. He truly was a guy that knew how to play to win the game.

[LAL]

Rodman belongs on that list. The other two do not.

Rodman might be the best rebounder in NBA history, forget about your lifetime.

There are multiple active NBA players that were/are arguably better rebounders than Wallace & Barkley, let alone in your lifetime.

From a basketball perspective, Rodman would be one of my favorite players in NBA history. He truly was a guy that knew how to play to win the game.

His rebounding is overrated because he made it look entertaining and it was his main focus,couldn't score for shit. Imagine Barkley's rebounding if he didn't have to score 25 or take around 20 shots a game. At 6'5 he was arguably a better natural rebounder than anyone ever.

[Shogon]

His rebounding is overrated because he made it look entertaining and it was his main focus,couldn't score for shit. Imagine Barkley's rebounding if he didn't have to score 25 or take around 20 shots a game. At 6'5 he was arguably a better natural rebounder than anyone ever.


We can argue what if's and could have's all day but the only thing we can go on is what actually happened.

Barkley could have been the GOAT rebounder if that's all he focused on like Rodman and he probably was the best 6'5" or under rebounder ever, perhaps... but will we ever know?

It's like me saying that Shaq would be the GOAT if his work ethic was obsessive. We will never know.

Dennis Rodman played to win. You can say whatever bullshit you want about his lack of scoring. He played to win. So many do not play to win.

Hell the best player of this generation has moments where he doesn't play to win... in some rare instances he plays for shooting percentages.

Rodman. played. to. win.

[ShawkFactory]

https://youtu.be/auO5X6vZP5Q?t=630

"There's something about Shaq that disturbs me. He's not a great rebounder. You know the game... did you ever see him really jump for a rebound?"

"The only great rebounders were Russell and Chamberlain."

Nothing to see here, only a borderline senile, out of touch old man on his literal last legs making claims that there were only 2 good rebounders in NBA history up to that point.

Shaq is a 4 time champion as the main man, best player and most important player on all the teams he was on despite coughing up a Finals MVP to Wade.

Red was wrong.

Shaq had plenty of killer instinct, plenty of instinct for the game, plenty of talent and plenty of skill.

The only thing he "lacked" was a psychotic level workout routine on his body/diet and also practicing his game. But that is literally the "only" thing that stopped him from being the actual literal GOAT.

As it stands, Shaq is still one of the very best players ever despite not being a psycho. Shaq is one of the nicest guys off the court but on the court he was a killer.

Naaaaaaahhhh

[Shogon]

Naaaaaaahhhh

I would take 2005 and 2006 Shaquille O'Neal over any year of Dwyane Wade's entire career if I'm trying to win.

Wade marched to the free throw line and he definitely carried the scoring burden and he was the 'best' player in the series but Shaq was the most important piece of those teams. I don't care what anyone says. The Heat started to fall off a cliff as Shaq declined and they completely fell off the cliff once he was gone.

Dwyane Wade is an all time great shooting guard but I can name you a shit load of players in NBA history at SG/SF that could carry their teams to 40 something wins.

Shaq was the guy.

[ShawkFactory]

I would take 2005 and 2006 Shaquille O'Neal over any year of Dwyane Wade's entire career if I'm trying to win.

Wade marched to the free throw line and he definitely carried the scoring burden and he was the 'best' player in the series but Shaq was the most important piece of those teams. I don't care what anyone says. The Heat started to fall off a cliff as Shaq declined and they completely fell off the cliff once he was gone.

Dwyane Wade is an all time great shooting guard but I can name you a shit load of players in NBA history at SG/SF that could carry their teams to 40 something wins.

Shaq was the guy.

Being someone a team can't win without does not mean that said player is the best/most important player on that team. Every championship team has at least 3-4 guys that they can't win without. Do the Bucks win the championship without Jrue Holiday? I would say almost certainly not. Not saying he's Shaq, but the point remains.

Yes, Shaq was a very important piece. But what if they lost Wade before the playoffs in 2006. Do they win? Hell no. And I'd be willing to bet that they'd be worse off overall than if they had lost Shaq. Even though obviously they wouldn't have gotten to where they were without either guy.

Wade wasn't just the closer, but he was everywhere on defense and put so much pressure on the opposition with his speed and overall activity.

[tpols]

Shaq is a nice guy off the court.


Outlandish claim of the day nominee.

Shaq has been a dick and a bully outside basketball. He clowns on and beefs with almost everybody and is an egomaniac. Have you ever watched TNT?

[Shogon]

Outlandish claim of the day nominee.

Shaq has been a dick and a bully outside basketball. He clowns on and beefs with almost everybody and is an egomaniac. Have you ever watched TNT?

Shaq is deeply insecure and thin skinned but he's not a bully.

Bruh, are you really commenting on his personal life and off the court activities solely based on Inside the NBA? LOL.

You are proving yourself once again to be one of the dumbest people on the board. Shut the **** up.

[warriorfan]

From accounts I’ve seen, Shaq was really popular with his teammates. He is very charismatic and funny with an Alpha personality. He was the man and everyone believed it.

[tpols]

Shaq is deeply insecure and thin skinned but he's not a bully.

Bruh, are you really commenting on his personal life and off the court activities solely based on Inside the NBA? LOL.

You are proving yourself once again to be one of the dumbest people on the board. Shut the **** up.

Shaqs had more beefs with his own teammates off the court than any superstar ever. He bullied javale mcgee so hard off the court, mcgees own mother came after him.

That was only the first stupid thing you said in this short thread.

Saying Clint Capela or Rudy Gobert (top rebounder of past year) are better rebounders than Ben Wallace and barkley... plus saying Shaq was more important than wade in 2006 were even more retarded claims.

[ShawkFactory]

Shaqs had more beefs with his own teammates off the court than any superstar ever. He bullied javale mcgee so hard off the court, mcgees own mother came after him.

That was only the first stupid thing you said in this short thread.

Saying Clint Capela or Rudy Gobert (top rebounder of past year) are better rebounders than Ben Wallace and barkley... plus saying Shaq was more important than wade in 2006 were even more retarded claims.

You can absolutely make the argument that top rebounding guys now are on par with top rebounding guys or eras past. You can argue offensive skill, packed paints, post play, etc. all you want but rebounding is a pretty static basketball skill that translates as long is there are great athletes with the desire to be great rebounders.

Rodman is a different story, but guys like Wallace and Barkley? Why isn't someone like Andre Drummond on that level as a rebounder?

[tpols]

You can absolutely make the argument that top rebounding guys now are on par with top rebounding guys or eras past. You can argue offensive skill, packed paints, post play, etc. all you want but rebounding is a pretty static basketball skill that translates as long is there are great athletes with the desire to be great rebounders.

Rodman is a different story, but guys like Wallace and Barkley? Why isn't someone like Andre Drummond on that level as a rebounder?

Wallace averaged more rebounds than anybody from last year and he did do it in an era where it was harder to rebound because paints were more cramped and the game was far more violent.

Top rebounders of the 90s kill today's rebounders by averages and totals. Its not even close if you go look it up. Clint Capela won the rebounding title last year and he wouldn't even be a top 15 big man in the 90s. Could name 15+ guys who were tougher and better at boarding.

[ShawkFactory]

Wallace averaged more rebounds than anybody from last year and he did do it in an era where it was harder to rebound because paints were more cramped.

And no... Top rebpundera of the 90s kill today's rebounder by averages and totals. Its not even close if you go look it up. Clint Capela won the rebounding title last year and he wouldn't even be a top 15 big man in the 90s. Could name 15+ guys who were tougher and better at boarding.

Rebounding specialists in the 90s played far more minutes than they do today, for various reasons. Drummond had 15 a game in I believe 31 minutes a couple years ago.

Clint Capela has an absolutely amazing nose for the basketball. Give him 40 minutes a game in a era where he wouldn't have to be chasing people around the perimeter all game? I see no reason why he couldn't average 13-14 boards.