View Full Version : Phil Jackson's controversial quotes from his book "Maverick"
Stanley Kobrick
06-29-2021, 12:31 PM
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Im Still Ballin
06-29-2021, 12:37 PM
This reads like something Chewing would write.
97 bulls
06-29-2021, 12:46 PM
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Those are definitely suspect quotes. He had a few more in the late 90s and 00s. I dont think Jackson called the play for Kukoc because he was white. That's ridiculous. But Pippen may be on to something with regards to Jackson being a racist.
rawimpact
06-29-2021, 01:01 PM
Phil identifies himself as black which is why he gets a pass. It's not racist for hating his own kind, you can call it self awareness.
8Ball
06-29-2021, 01:03 PM
These quotes are highly suspect and borderline racist.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 01:03 PM
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I'm black but hate to say he ain't really lying. This is basic shit tbh and it all stems from the way most black and whites live. Majority of blacks in nba are from the hood and hood ball is way more one and one. It's also alot faster as far as pace. Organized ball or "white ball" is much slower and more team oriented. More on and off ball movement. This is why so many black kids struggle or don't like Organized ball. It's not how they grew up playing and they often feel it shackles their game. This is talking generalities of course. There's always exceptions but in my experience this is the case more often than not.
8Ball
06-29-2021, 01:05 PM
I'm black but hate to say he ain't really lying. This is basic shit tbh and it all stems from the way most black and whites live. Majority of blacks in nba are from the hood and hood ball is way more one and one. It's also alot faster as far as pace. Organized ball or "white ball" is much slower and more team oriented. More on and off ball movement. This is why so many black kids struggle or don't like Organized ball. It's not how they grew up playing and they often feel it shackles their game. This us talking generalities of course. There's always exceptions but in my experience this is tge case more often than not.
Fine.
But I watch college basketball which is mostly black and I don't see selfish play.
Phil only interacts with NBA level players and NBA players understand that stats = money. If you averaging 25/10 you getting paid. If you average 18-7 but have more team success you get less money. How is that fair? Gotta stack the money too while your small window is open.
Look at Scottie Pippen. He "team balled" his way into making tens of millions less than he could have.
MaxPlayer
06-29-2021, 01:08 PM
There's a grain of truth in there, but at least from those quotes it seems like he's throwing generalities around a little too freely.
Those are definitely suspect quotes. He had a few more in the late 90s and 00s. I dont think Jackson called the play for Kukoc because he was white. That's ridiculous. But Pippen may be on to something with regards to Jackson being a racist.
Hard to say he’s racist but there’s definitely some racial undertones with a lot of his quotes. Including his “posse” usage when it came to Lebron. His “posse” being successful black men but I guess when you’re a star player with a group of other black men. You assume they are leeching off your success and bring no value. Which he was wrong on.
tpols
06-29-2021, 01:14 PM
Yup... AAU culture vs Euro style teamwork. Think (old) Spurs vs Heat.
I'm black but hate to say he ain't really lying. This is basic shit tbh and it all stems from the way most black and whites live. Majority of blacks in nba are from the hood and hood ball is way more one and one. It's also alot faster as far as pace. Organized ball or "white ball" is much slower and more team oriented. More on and off ball movement. This is why so many black kids struggle or don't like Organized ball. It's not how they grew up playing and they often feel it shackles their game. This is talking generalities of course. There's always exceptions but in my experience this is the case more often than not.
Hood ball? Organized = white ball? Yikes uncle. Your name Tom by any chance?
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 01:22 PM
Fine.
But I watch college basketball which is mostly black and I don't see selfish play.
Phil only interacts with NBA level players and NBA players understand that stats = money. If you averaging 25/10 you getting paid. If you average 18-7 but have more team success you get less money. How is that fair? Gotta stack the money too while your small window is open.
Look at Scottie Pippen. He "team balled" his way into making tens of millions less than he could have.
Well college ball is mostly black players because more often than not they're better than their white counterparts. Most of the systems that are used in college are the kind of systems phil is talking about. That's the best of both worlds. If you can get super skilled and athletic players to buy into a team system.
And pip didn't team ball his way into making less he did that by himself. He took a long term secure deal that ended up being trash because of inflation.
Patrick Chewing
06-29-2021, 01:28 PM
Where's the lie??
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 01:31 PM
Hood ball? Organized = white ball? Yikes uncle. Your name Tom by any chance?
Stfu bitch. Nothing to be but hurt about hommie it just is what it is. Street ball or hoid ball or whatever u wanna call it is different from the style of basketball alot of white kids in white neighborhoods grow up playing. I grew up in a black neighborhood and balled in other bkack neighborhoods where my friends and family stay. We also go to white neighborhoods and play and i played in the leagues and high-school and college and there's definitely a difference.
iamgine
06-29-2021, 01:45 PM
This book came out in 1975. Phil was 29 and playing for the Knicks. The guards he meant was Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe. I'm not sure it was controversial back then.
97 bulls
06-29-2021, 01:49 PM
This book came out in 1975. Phil was 29 and playing for the Knicks. The guards he meant was Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe. I'm not sure it was controversial back then.
These are quotes from more modern times
Phil Jackson quotes. ——————————-
October 1999: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being."
October 2005 when asked about the dress code: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."
bladefd
06-29-2021, 01:56 PM
Phil identifies himself as black which is why he gets a pass. It's not racist for hating his own kind, you can call it self awareness.
Wait, what?
Patrick Chewing
06-29-2021, 02:00 PM
These are quotes from more modern times
Phil Jackson quotes. ——————————-
October 1999: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being."
October 2005 when asked about the dress code: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."
Nothing wrong with these comments. Why do they upset you?
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:00 PM
This actually speaks to a much deeper social reality nobody ever wants to talk about, which is why it never gets addressed and leads to so much conflict.
First of all, no individual is defined by the group they belong to. Individuals can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and that should be respected, and that's why it's important not to apply prejudice especially at the individual level.
But when you compare GROUPS... then patterns absolutely emerge. That is sheer, empirical reality. And while it's convenient for BUSINESS to ignore this, it's not great for social harmony. Of course, business and media set the tone, and then soyboy betas take their social cues in subservience and also adopt the mentality of "race talk bad" so that they'll be approved of by institutions they depend on to accept them. Examples of this would be ItsMillerTime, RealMenWearGreen, RR3, Ralphiel etc. Weaker men are logically more submissive and dependent on mainstream acceptance.
That said... subordination DOES have its advantages when it comes to group achievement. A team can always accomplish more than an individual. But teamwork often requires hierarchy and subordination.
You can see these mentality differences in everyday situations. In places like Scandinavia, people are so conscious of not bothering others they often sit around in awkward, nonconfrontational silence. In downtown Baltimore, people are so focused on being macho, every minor disagreement turns into a shouting match and someone eventually getting shot.
How much of this is cultural and how much is biological is an important question, and the reality is it's probably a bit of both. And personally I think it's pretty damn important to talk about, for the sake of making REAL social progress, instead of token PC progress that benefits people looking to exploit division. So good on Phil for speakin the truth.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 02:03 PM
This book came out in 1975. Phil was 29 and playing for the Knicks. The guards he meant was Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe. I'm not sure it was controversial back then.
Yeah man and even up to tge early 2000's you'd hear all kinds of stories about fathers taking their white rich or middle class kid to black neighborhoods or teams to play ball because they wanted them to get better and learn that style of play. Shit isn't always racist. Especially when there's alot of truth behind it. If a nucka said this shit nobody would bat an eye at it.
MadDog
06-29-2021, 02:03 PM
These are quotes from more modern times
Phil Jackson quotes. ——————————-
October 1999: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being."
October 2005 when asked about the dress code: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."
Those are slick comments by Phil. And in today's PC culture, they wouldn't be looked at fondly. Problem is Pippen didn't call Phil a racist for that. He claimed Phil showed racism by going to Kukoc for a game-winner. :oldlol: And for criticizing Kobe's character in a book. If you're gonna label someone a "racist" you better have more evidence than that.
j3lademaster
06-29-2021, 02:06 PM
Nothing wrong with these comments. Why do they upset you?
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These are quotes from more modern times
Phil Jackson quotes. ——————————-
October 1999: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being."
October 2005 when asked about the dress code: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."
He's literally saying black people have shitty attention span due to too much rap music.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 02:06 PM
This actually speaks to a much deeper social reality nobody ever wants to talk about, which is why it never gets addressed and leads to so much conflict.
First of all, no individual is defined by the group they belong to. Individuals can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and that should be respected, and that's why it's important not to apply prejudice especially at the individual level.
But when you compare GROUPS... then patterns absolutely emerge. That is sheer, empirical reality. And while it's convenient for BUSINESS to ignore this, it's not great for social harmony. Of course, business and media set the tone, and then soyboy betas take their social cues in subservience and also adopt the mentality of "race talk bad" so that they'll be approved of by institutions they depend on to accept them. Examples of this would be ItsMillerTime, RealMenWearGreen, RR3, Ralphiel etc. Weaker men are logically more submissive and dependent on mainstream acceptance.
That said... subordination DOES have its advantages when it comes to group achievement. A team can always accomplish more than an individual. But teamwork often requires hierarchy and subordination.
You can see these mentality differences in everyday situations. In places like Scandinavia, people are so conscious of not bothering others they often sit around in awkward, nonconfrontational silence. In downtown Baltimore, people are so focused on being macho, every minor disagreement turns into a shouting match and someone eventually getting shot.
How much of this is cultural and how much is biological is an important question, and the reality is it's probably a bit of both. And personally I think it's pretty damn important to talk about, for the sake of making REAL social progress, instead of token PC progress that benefits people looking to exploit division. So good on Phil for speakin the truth.
Well said. Dude your enigma rapped in a riddle. You talk alot of weird dumb shit and turn around and say some intelligent insightful stuff like this.
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:08 PM
Well said. Dude your enigma rapped in a riddle. You talk alot of weird dumb shit and turn around and say some intelligent insightful stuff like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_fool
L.Kizzle
06-29-2021, 02:12 PM
Yall do know he's most likely talking about his Knicks from the 60s/70s. Frazier and Mornoe are the black guards. DeBusschere, Bradley, Lucas and himself is the front court.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 02:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespearean_fool
Interesting although i feel like that's a skill better suited for real life in a time when survival of the fittest was never more true. Not sure what purpose it serves in a bball forum
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:14 PM
Interesting although i feel like that's a skill better suited for real life in a time when survival of the fittest was never more true. Not sure what purpose it serves in a bball forum
That makes two of us :lol
Patrick Chewing
06-29-2021, 02:18 PM
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He's literally saying black people have shitty attention span due to too much rap music.
And this is not true? Doesn't matter what the color. He's probably seen players get dumber and dumber as society changes and with the rise of social media. You also have to remember Phil is speaking from the perspective of coaching nothing but Black players. So if he's talking about current NBA players....well....they're mostly Black.
Manny98
06-29-2021, 02:19 PM
I'm black but hate to say he ain't really lying. This is basic shit tbh and it all stems from the way most black and whites live. Majority of blacks in nba are from the hood and hood ball is way more one and one. It's also alot faster as far as pace. Organized ball or "white ball" is much slower and more team oriented. More on and off ball movement. This is why so many black kids struggle or don't like Organized ball. It's not how they grew up playing and they often feel it shackles their game. This is talking generalities of course. There's always exceptions but in my experience this is the case more often than not.
I'm black as well and agree 100%
From my own personal experience, the white dudes tend to play more team oriented basketball which emphasizes passing and teamwork, whilst black dudes tend to focus on dominating games by themselves and being the "superstar"
Not one bit offended by his comments because it's the truth and still applies today
97 bulls
06-29-2021, 02:20 PM
Those are slick comments by Phil. And in today's PC culture, they wouldn't be looked at fondly. Problem is Pippen didn't call Phil a racist for that. He claimed Phil showed racism by going to Kukoc for a game-winner. :oldlol: And for criticizing Kobe's character in a book. If you're gonna label someone a "racist" you better have more evidence than that.
I agree. Therrs no way I believe Jackson called that play for Kukoc simply because hes white. Even when Pippen clarified his point, he gave the example of what Jackson said about Bryant. Which had absolutely nothing to do with race. It was wrong, but not racist.
3ba11
06-29-2021, 02:20 PM
Pippen said Phil should be the Lakers' coach in 2019 and worked as his special assistant just a few years earlier.
The media says that Pippen is "lashing out" and "getting back" for the Last Dance, which is a nice way of saying he's LYING.. I'm surprised that adults can't tell he's making all this shit up.. They fear the 6 rings but Pippen was a 2nd option so they shouldn't fear them any more than Kyrie's ring - they treat Kyrie like he isn't a champion at all and is a cancer
97 bulls
06-29-2021, 02:21 PM
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He's literally saying black people have shitty attention span due to too much rap music.
Lol. I can imagine how this post wouldve been delivered if we were in the same room.
Im Still Ballin
06-29-2021, 02:23 PM
This actually speaks to a much deeper social reality nobody ever wants to talk about, which is why it never gets addressed and leads to so much conflict.
First of all, no individual is defined by the group they belong to. Individuals can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and that should be respected, and that's why it's important not to apply prejudice especially at the individual level.
But when you compare GROUPS... then patterns absolutely emerge. That is sheer, empirical reality. And while it's convenient for BUSINESS to ignore this, it's not great for social harmony. Of course, business and media set the tone, and then soyboy betas take their social cues in subservience and also adopt the mentality of "race talk bad" so that they'll be approved of by institutions they depend on to accept them. Examples of this would be ItsMillerTime, RealMenWearGreen, RR3, Ralphiel etc. Weaker men are logically more submissive and dependent on mainstream acceptance.
That said... subordination DOES have its advantages when it comes to group achievement. A team can always accomplish more than an individual. But teamwork often requires hierarchy and subordination.
You can see these mentality differences in everyday situations. In places like Scandinavia, people are so conscious of not bothering others they often sit around in awkward, nonconfrontational silence. In downtown Baltimore, people are so focused on being macho, every minor disagreement turns into a shouting match and someone eventually getting shot.
How much of this is cultural and how much is biological is an important question, and the reality is it's probably a bit of both. And personally I think it's pretty damn important to talk about, for the sake of making REAL social progress, instead of token PC progress that benefits people looking to exploit division. So good on Phil for speakin the truth.
There it is.
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:27 PM
There it is.
You know me. Still the same OG. :pimp:
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:30 PM
These are quotes from more modern times
Phil Jackson quotes. ——————————-
October 1999: "I don't mean to say [that] as a snide remark toward a certain population in our society, but they have a limitation of their attention span, a lot of it probably due to too much rap music going in their ears and coming out their being."
October 2005 when asked about the dress code: "I think it's important that the players take their end of it, get out of the prison garb and the thuggery aspect of basketball that has come along with hip-hop music in the last seven or eight years."
These kinda comments definitely sound more like venting frustration than constructive critiques. Still, if we use his lack of tact as an excuse to go on a finger pointing witch hunt rather than address the issues in meaningful ways, are we any better? One guy says something in poor taste, and a hundred other guys respond with self-important virtue signaling. I ask you, is this progress??
90sgoat
06-29-2021, 02:46 PM
People get offended by simple observations of truth now?
Everything written there is true.
Each and every word.
Black culture is a show off culture. White culture is a team culture.
Why get offended by someone noticing it?
This reminds me of feminists when people notice things about women as a group.
TheMan
06-29-2021, 02:51 PM
Phil's daughter was raped by a black guy and that's why he automatically assumed kobe was guilty and he admitted he hated kobe because of his daughters experience. it caused the rift between them for 2 years
he probably blames all black people and assumes they're all rapists. no doubt pippen is probably accurate in assuming Phil was racist. I mean the guy looks like colonel sanders. he had a bunch of useless white guys on his teams like Luke Walton, Sasha vujacic, jordan farmar, Slava medvidenko, vladimir radmanovic, Adam Morrison, Mike penburthy... he had all white assistants till Brian shaw got there and all he was allowed to do was record the plays on a note pad before the internet had analytics. he drafted porzingis when most of the world thought he was a huge risk
he would never speak to his stars 1 on 1 and always did it through the media. he would do rehab classes instead of coaching cause he knew his stars were just crazy minorities rather than needing to practice shooty hoops
I mean sure kukoc made the shot bit it was scotties team. you rode him all year. you die by him. its his choice not Phil's... head coaches should only draw up plays for randoms during the game when things aren't working
He had a black assistant coach in Chicago long before Brian Shaw, Jimmy Clemmons?
FultzNationRISE
06-29-2021, 02:54 PM
People get offended by simple observations of truth now?
Everything written there is true.
Each and every word.
Black culture is a show off culture. White culture is a team culture.
Why get offended by someone noticing it?
This reminds me of feminists when people notice things about women as a group.
See, thats why Lebron is so universally loved and respected. He has achieved the supreme balance of the two. The best of both worlds.
TheMan
06-29-2021, 02:57 PM
Fine.
But I watch college basketball which is mostly black and I don't see selfish play.
Phil only interacts with NBA level players and NBA players understand that stats = money. If you averaging 25/10 you getting paid. If you average 18-7 but have more team success you get less money. How is that fair? Gotta stack the money too while your small window is open.
Look at Scottie Pippen. He "team balled" his way into making tens of millions less than he could have.
I love Pippen but he screwed himself more than anything, Reinsdorf has said many times that Pip signed a guaranteed contract that even Jerry himself told Pippen that it wouldn't be in his best interest to sign and that if he would try to renegotiate later on, the Bulls wouldn't...he's made dumb financial decisions, that's on him.
tpols
06-29-2021, 03:04 PM
Lol. I can imagine how this post wouldve been delivered if we were in the same room.
Would you flip on gangster mode and get yourself locked up in the pen mate?
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 03:39 PM
That makes two of us :lol
Lol
3ba11
06-29-2021, 03:43 PM
Why hasn't anyone asked Kerr if the play was scripted?
Oh I know... it's because Kerr has already talked at length about the play as a genuine unscripted play - the media knows this, but still doesn't slam the door on Pippen because they can't think for themselves.. they say pippen is "lashing out" as a euphemism for HE'S LYING
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 03:43 PM
I'm black as well and agree 100%
From my own personal experience, the white dudes tend to play more team oriented basketball which emphasizes passing and teamwork, whilst black dudes tend to focus on dominating games by themselves and being the "superstar"
Not one bit offended by his comments because it's the truth and still applies today
Yeah phil isn't that far off especially when he made the comments decades ago. It may not be as accurate today because blacks and whites aren't as segregated as they were then so they hang out more and play together more but like you i wasn't offended at all by the comments.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 03:47 PM
People get offended by simple observations of truth now?
Everything written there is true.
Each and every word.
Black culture is a show off culture. White culture is a team culture.
Why get offended by someone noticing it?
This reminds me of feminists when people notice things about women as a group.
I think the problem some have is they take the comments as definitive when comments like this are usually just generally speaking and generally speaking phil wasn't wrong
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 03:49 PM
I love Pippen but he screwed himself more than anything, Reinsdorf has said many times that Pip signed a guaranteed contract that even Jerry himself told Pippen that it wouldn't be in his best interest to sign and that if he would try to renegotiate later on, the Bulls wouldn't...he's made dumb financial decisions, that's on him.
Yup even pip touched on it in the last dance. Said the long term deal screwed him but he took it for insurance instead of betting on himself.
Stfu bitch. Nothing to be but hurt about hommie it just is what it is. Street ball or hoid ball or whatever u wanna call it is different from the style of basketball alot of white kids in white neighborhoods grow up playing. I grew up in a black neighborhood and balled in other bkack neighborhoods where my friends and family stay. We also go to white neighborhoods and play and i played in the leagues and high-school and college and there's definitely a difference.
You’re a retard. Go watch JJ Redick in HS and then Dejuan Wagner in HS. Aint nothing different about the game. This notion of “organized ball” being white boy ball is hilarious. First of all it’s HOMIE you fake ass black boy. Oak Hill Academy produces Nba talent. They play iso ball huh? Matter of fact the top HS teams in the country what’s the racial makeup and label them organized and black boy ball as you want to call it. You’re talking about street ball which doesn’t translate into Hs ball nor college. You sound ignorant as Phil Jackson ole generalizing ass. Kg didn’t play organized ball? Kobe? Tmac? Lebron? Rose? All guys who came from HS or 1 year removed from college. Where is this organized basketball I mean white boy ball being played that these black boys don’t do? I don’t care what guys do in the summer at parks. I watched Rasheed Wallace in Hs at Gratz. One of the counties top schools his 4 year tenure. But he didn’t look like he played organized ball. Nah. F*ck up Tom.
MadDog
06-29-2021, 07:13 PM
I agree. Therrs no way I believe Jackson called that play for Kukoc simply because hes white. Even when Pippen clarified his point, he gave the example of what Jackson said about Bryant. Which had absolutely nothing to do with race. It was wrong, but not racist.
Exactly. Though I don't think Phil was neccesarily wrong. Pippen had just missed the last shot, right before Ewing sunk the one to tie. Phil going with a good shooter like Kukoc paid off. Toni hit several game-winners that year. Including one against Indiana just weeks before.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 07:24 PM
You’re a retard. Go watch JJ Redick in HS and then Dejuan Wagner in HS. Aint nothing different about the game. This notion of “organized ball” being white boy ball is hilarious. First of all it’s HOMIE you fake ass black boy. Oak Hill Academy produces Nba talent. They play iso ball huh? Matter of fact the top HS teams in the country what’s the racial makeup and label them organized and black boy ball as you want to call it. You’re talking about street ball which doesn’t translate into Hs ball nor college. You sound ignorant as Phil Jackson ole generalizing ass. Kg didn’t play organized ball? Kobe? Tmac? Lebron? Rose? All guys who came from HS or 1 year removed from college. Where is this organized basketball I mean white boy ball being played that these black boys don’t do? I don’t care what guys do in the summer at parks. I watched Rasheed Wallace in Hs at Gratz. One of the counties top schools his 4 year tenure. But he didn’t look like he played organized ball. Nah. F*ck up Tom.
Your bringing up individual cases when i already said it's generalities. And bringing up oak hill academy or any organized team is dumb. They usually have good coaches who obviously teach the game the right way. If you don't think there was a difference between ball in the inner city and ball in the suburbs or rural areas than your just being dumb. Where do u think the globetrotters and and 1 teams come from? They just took street ball to the mainstream. Your also bringing up shit from after the 2000's which i already explained isn't the same as shit froms phil time or a bit after. Your just being a sensitive bitch bruh
Your bringing up individual cases when i already said it's generalities. And bringing up oak hill academy or any organized team is dumb. They usually have good coaches who obviously teach the game the right way. If you don't think there was a difference between ball in the inner city and ball in the suburbs or rural areas than your just being dumb. Where do u think the globetrotters and and 1 teams come from? They just took street ball to the mainstream. Your also bringing up shit from after the 2000's which i already explained isn't the same as shit froms phil time or a bit after. Your just being a sensitive bitch bruh
No you’re just talking out your ass and sounding like Phil nut ass. That’s your fault not mine. Don’t get mad at me for calling you out sounding like an Uncle Tom agreeing with Phil nonsense. I guess you think a black dude with other black dudes around him has a “posse” too. Yanno there’s a bit of truth with that being as tho you grew up in the hood. And experienced large groups of black dudes with one leader. Goofball.
And next time do your homework on when and1 mixtapes started coming out. Can’t use them as a reference then say “you’re using stuff after 2000’s”. You look stupid.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 09:34 PM
No you’re just talking out your ass and sounding like Phil nut ass. That’s your fault not mine. Don’t get mad at me for calling you out sounding like an Uncle Tom agreeing with Phil nonsense. I guess you think a black dude with other black dudes around him has a “posse” too. Yanno there’s a bit of truth with that being as tho you grew up in the hood. And experienced large groups of black dudes with one leader. Goofball.
And next time do your homework on when and1 mixtapes started coming out. Can’t use them as a reference then say “you’re using stuff after 2000’s”. You look stupid.
Nah posse is definitely suspect. The shit he said about this isn't. Your just fakkit crying about a white dude saying some real shit. Stop acting like a bitch. I can't tell if your a corny nucka or a goofy white dude.
97 bulls
06-29-2021, 09:46 PM
Nah posse is definitely suspect. The shit he said about this isn't. Your just fakkit crying about a white dude saying some real shit. Stop acting like a bitch. I can't tell if your a corny nucka or a goofy white dude.
Funny thing is he got 11 rings from players that play the way he complained about.
Nah posse is definitely suspect. The shit he said about this isn't. Your just fakkit crying about a white dude saying some real shit. Stop acting like a bitch. I can't tell if your a corny nucka or a goofy white dude.
I’ll beat you the f*ck up offline my guy. Ran down on a couple people here already in previous years. Nothing to do it now.
tpols
06-29-2021, 10:05 PM
Basketball is a team game. You maximize your chance at winning by encompassing everybody together at once. That's just a simple logic.
On playgrounds throughout cities, you'll frequently see a ton of 1v1 and fastbreak play. The ball doesn't move much. Its give it to the best ball handler and let him try to AND1 a bucket.
It isn't a weave drill of passes and off ball cutters dishing. Like travel ball. Which I played also.
So don't lie and act like inner city playground ball mimics true team organized ball GOBB. You're a phony saying that and calling people uncle toms. Europeans play a heavy pass and cut style of play while African Americans have typically been the non stop dribbling and iso types. That's not racist. Its factist.
Basketball is a team game. You maximize your chance at winning by encompassing everybody together at once. That's just a simple logic.
On playgrounds throughout cities, you'll frequently see a ton of 1v1 and fastbreak play. The ball doesn't move much. Its give it to the best ball handler and let him try to AND1 a bucket.
It isn't a weave drill of passes and off ball cutters dishing. Like travel ball. Which I played also.
So don't lie and act like inner city playground ball mimics true team organized ball GOBB. You're a phony saying that and calling people uncle toms. Europeans play a heavy pass and cut style of play while African Americans have typically been the non stop dribbling and iso types. That's not racist. Its factist.
Street ball isn’t played in HS and college. There’s a reason why professional street ballers don’t make the transition. How do a bunch of non athletic white dudes in the burbs playing their version of street ball even matter in HS, college? You think white dudes are playing organized ball in the burbs? I guess you were one of the idiots setting moving screens screaming “we play organized round here!!”.
Phil generalized street ball with blacks like they come into the NBA this way. Even tho they all played organized ball to get TO THE NBA. Nitwits. You’re an uncover Phil Jackson here anyway. Didn’t like the baggy clothes, durag, jewelry etc.
Bronbron23
06-29-2021, 10:53 PM
Street ball isn’t played in HS and college. There’s a reason why professional street ballers don’t make the transition. How do a bunch of non athletic white dudes in the burbs playing their version of street ball even matter in HS, college? You think white dudes are playing organized ball in the burbs? I guess you were one of the idiots setting moving screens screaming “we play organized round here!!”.
Phil generalized street ball with blacks like they come into the NBA this way. Even tho they all played organized ball to get TO THE NBA. Nitwits. You’re an uncover Phil Jackson here anyway. Didn’t like the baggy clothes, durag, jewelry etc.
Nah man most of these dudes learn the game early on at playgrounds. As they get older they obviously get into organized leagues and then high-school and sometimes further but it all starts on the streets. Whether it's the streets of Detroit Michigan like magic or the streets of French like India like bird. The fact of the matter is most blacks in the nba grew up in lower income areas where the game was different than it was in the country or rural areas where a lot of whites learn the game. Whites and blacks especially back then grew up in different communities that had alot of differences as far as culture and behavior. You don't think this applied to the game of basketball too? You really can't be this stupid dude.
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