The media decides who is good regardless of what the player does, example inside..

[3ba11]

Broussard says that if Giannis wins the title, he won't be the best player in the league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9nJuFJmYtY&t=09m25s


But why not?... He's already a dominant MVP with the best overall stats - if he figures out how to win organically with Middleton, then how is he not the best?

The holes in his game are no different than the holes in Bird's game when he won (defense) or Lebron's game (off-ball, shooting, and wade taught him leadership/clutch) - almost no players have zero weaknesses.

This proves that the media's narratives are set - KD or Lebron are the best, and there's nothing anyone can do about that... If Giannis wins, he's not the best player because..... the media says so...

And tbh, Giannis will have his hands full with Ayton - it's a super-legit hurdle that will make him the best player if he can overcome it.. Furthermore, organic rings require more skill because the player must adjust change their game to teammates, which Giannis did... Per tpols in another thread, Giannis changed his game - "he was primarily setting screens and being the roll man along with trying to get the ball in the low post. Playing like that instead of spam dribbling at the top of the key does make him way more effective offensively."

[getting_old]

the other night at the US track trials the favourite in the 800m mens lost and finished out of Olympic placement

the four-person TV crew (why?) crowed about his invincibility for 5 minutes before and during the race and then yelled and howled over him losing

probably at most 5% of the viewers care about track (outside of the Olympic years) and could ID an 800m runner, the rest tune in (even for the trials) are there for the once in 4 (or 5) year concern for swimming and track

thanks media

[insight]

Broussard says that if Giannis wins the title, he won't be the best player in the league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9nJuFJmYtY&t=09m25s


But why not?... He's already a dominant MVP with the best overall stats - if he figures out how to win organically with Middleton, then how is he not the best?

The holes in his game are no different than the holes in Bird's game when he won (defense) or Lebron's game (off-ball, shooting) - almost no players have zero weaknesses.

This proves that the media's narratives are set - KD or Lebron are the best, and there's nothing anyone can do about that... If Giannis wins, he's not the best player because..... the media says so...

And tbh, Giannis will have his hands full with Ayton - it's a super-legit hurdle that will make him the best player if he can overcome it.. Furthermore, organic rings require more skill because the player must adjust change their game to teammates, which Giannis did... Per tpols in another thread, Giannis changed his game - "he was primarily setting screens and being the roll man along with trying to get the ball in the low post. Playing like that instead of spam dribbling at the top of the key does make him way more effective offensively."

When did the Bucks and Suns advance to the NBA finals? The Bucks barely beat a Nets team that was missing Irving and Harden was a shell of himself. Durant was the best player in the series, so how is Giannis a better player?

[ShawkFactory]

Giannis and KD just played an entire seven game series against another and KD was clearly the best player on floor.

If the Bucks happen to win, how would that all of a sudden make Giannis better?

[MadDog]

Another reason LeBron is a manufactured puppet. There were several years LeBron didn't belong in the same sentence as Kobe. And post achilles Kobe where Durant already superseded him. Same thing with Kawhi. Your OP might only be one guy's opinion, but its a great example of media brainwash. Broussard is also an MVP voter so narratives and story lines are eminent.

[Walk on Water]

Giannis and KD just played an entire seven game series against another and KD was clearly the best player on floor.

If the Bucks happen to win, how would that all of a sudden make Giannis better?


But KD wasn't clearly the best player on the floor. Not according to eye test. And if he can't win with Harden and Griffin and Harris, then it's not saying much. Credit given when credit earned.

[Kblaze8855]

Whatever he is today he is in 3 weeks. Nothing will change but the narrative.

[Shooter]

Good thing the media doesn't decide 7,631 points, 12 game winers, or most playoff winshares all time

:pimp:

We win again

:hammertime:

[3ba11]

When did the Bucks and Suns advance to the NBA finals? The Bucks barely beat a Nets team that was missing Irving and Harden was a shell of himself. Durant was the best player in the series, so how is Giannis a better player?


What made Durant better than Giannis in that series - I see no material statistical difference..

Giannis was better for the following reason... By virtue of seeking an organic ring, he used superior strategy to win - he changed his game mid-series to fit with teammates and the Bucks used strategy that they'd honed for years.. So Giannis is learning how his game can win, and therefore how his game can lead ANY team to a championship, while Durant only knows how to team up like Lebron.

Giannis will prove to be superior to both..... IF he can win this year... Ayton will be a handful in the Finals - that's actually good for Giannis, because it will elevate him if he can overcome the Suns.

[ShawkFactory]

But KD wasn't clearly the best player on the floor. Not according to eye test. And if he can't win with Harden and Griffin and Harris, then it's not saying much. Credit given when credit earned.

The eye test absolutely told us that he was the best player in the floor..

[1987_Lakers]

What made Durant better than Giannis in that series - I see no material statistical difference..

Giannis was better for the following reason... By virtue of seeking an organic ring, he used superior strategy to win - he changed his game mid-series to fit with teammates and the Bucks used strategy that they'd honed for years.. So Giannis is learning how his game can win, and therefore how his game can lead ANY team to a championship, while Durant only knows how to team up like Lebron.

Giannis will prove to be superior to both..... IF he can win this year... Ayton will be a handful in the Finals - that's actually good for Giannis, because it will elevate him if he can overcome the Suns.

Bipolar 3ball. From last night saying Giannis was Pippen and Middleton is better to this morning saying Giannis is the best player in the league

[3ba11]

Whatever he is today he is in 3 weeks. Nothing will change but the narrative.


That's false because Giannis is getting better as I write this and he got better as the Nets series went along

By virtue of seeking an organic ring, he's learning superior strategy to win than what Durant or Lebron know - he's figuring out what works and what doesn't, which can be transferred to any team... he's becoming more of a traditional big man on OFFENSE, and that's proving to be the winning formula (he's still a unicorn defensively - and that's the key - he can't be exploited like Gobert)... So if he learns the tricks and know-how to win organically with Middleton, he'll know how to lead any team to a title..

Otoh, KD and Lebron only know how to team up.. they never learned HOW TO WIN.. So if Giannis wins this year, he's better.

[insight]

What made Durant better than Giannis in that series - I see no material statistical difference..

Giannis was better for the following reason... By virtue of seeking an organic ring, he used superior strategy to win - he changed his game mid-series to fit with teammates and the Bucks used strategy that they'd honed for years.. So Giannis is learning how his game can win, and therefore how his game can lead ANY team to a championship, while Durant only knows how to team up like Lebron.

Giannis will prove to be superior to both..... IF he can win this year... Ayton will be a handful in the Finals - that's actually good for Giannis, because it will elevate him if he can overcome the Suns.

You do understand your team is not in the Finals they are in the ECF.
If the Bucks were able to advance and win a title you could say what Giannis did by staying in Milwaukee is more impressive thant Durant or Lebron but calling him the best player in the world is a stretch, too many holes in his game.

[3ba11]

Bipolar 3ball. From last night saying Giannis was Pippen and Middleton is better to this morning saying Giannis is the best player in the league


Giannis can be the best player in the league and still be a pippen (not the closer), just like Lebron

btw, calling someone a "pippen" elevates pippen to heights that he never reached - he was never reached Middleton level and was just a defensive role player (not good at scoring)

[ShawkFactory]

Bipolar 3ball. From last night saying Giannis was Pippen and Middleton is better to this morning saying Giannis is the best player in the league

It’s funny how one shot from KD (and obviously injuries to Kyrie and Harden) can do that :lol

We go from KD being more significant because of superior skill to Giannis cuz organic.

Both are a way to finagle the downgrading of Lebron.

[3ba11]

It’s funny how one shot from KD (and obviously injuries to Kyrie and Harden) can do that :lol

We go from KD being more significant because of superior skill to Giannis cuz organic.

Both are a way to finagle the downgrading of Lebron.


By virtue of seeking an organic ring, Giannis is learning superior strategy to win than what Durant or Lebron know - he's figuring out what works and what doesn't.. this includes becoming more of a traditional big man on OFFENSE, and that's proving to be the winning formula (he's still a unicorn defensively - and that's the key - he can't be exploited like Gobert)... So if he learns the tricks and know-how to win organically with Middleton, he'll know how to lead any team to a title..

Otoh, KD and Lebron only know how to team up.. they never learned HOW TO WIN.. So if Giannis wins this year, he's better.

[1987_Lakers]

By virtue of seeking an organic ring, Giannis is learning superior strategy to win than what Durant or Lebron know - he's figuring out what works and what doesn't.. this includes becoming more of a traditional big man on OFFENSE, and that's proving to be the winning formula (he's still a unicorn defensively - and that's the key - he can't be exploited like Gobert)... So if he learns the tricks and know-how to win organically with Middleton, he'll know how to lead any team to a title..

Otoh, KD and Lebron only know how to team up.. they never learned HOW TO WIN.. So if Giannis wins this year, he's better.

Sorry bud, just last week you were slurping Durant and shitting on Giannis, we all know you had a major meltdown when KD lost and left for a couple of days to figure out new ways for how to push your anti LeBron agenda.

[ShawkFactory]

By virtue of seeking an organic ring, Giannis is learning superior strategy to win than what Durant or Lebron know - he's figuring out what works and what doesn't.. this includes becoming more of a traditional big man on OFFENSE, and that's proving to be the winning formula (he's still a unicorn defensively - and that's the key - he can't be exploited like Gobert)... So if he learns the tricks and know-how to win organically with Middleton, he'll know how to lead any team to a title..

Otoh, KD and Lebron only know how to team up.. they never learned HOW TO WIN.. So if Giannis wins this year, he's better.
What a fvcking leap :lol

[Shooter]

Sorry bud, just last week you were slurping Durant and shitting on Giannis, we all know you had a major meltdown when KD lost and left for a couple of days to figure out new ways for how to push your anti LeBron agenda.

Bingo

Wrekt again :lol

[DJmicah]

While i don't agree with the Giannis take (yes his ring would be more respected than Bron or Durant's but he still wont be the best)
i DO agree that the media definitely does have storylines and narratives they want to push REGARDLESS of what actually happens out on the floor

[3ba11]

While i don't agree with the Giannis take (yes his ring would be more respected than Bron or Durant's but he still wont be the best)
i DO agree that the media definitely does have storylines and narratives they want to push REGARDLESS of what actually happens out on the floor


What makes Giannis below Lebron or Durant if he wins.

The idea that "he has holes in his game" applies to everyone..

Shaq was a 1-dimensional inside player... Curry is just a 3-point shooter.. Bird didn't play defense... Lebron doesn't play off-ball (poor ball movement, low assist teams) and doesn't have elite jumpshooting skil.. Nearly everyone has holes in their games.

[3ba11]

What a fvcking leap :lol


Lebron and Durant only know how to team up - they never did what Giannis has a chance to do - learn how to WIN.

There's a big difference.. We already saw Giannis transform his game to fit teammates in the last series - he's learned that the winning formula on offense is for him to play like a center - this maximizes his team's offense and that's transferrable to any team.

Lebron learned some tricks too - certainly 18' Lebron isn't going to be lottery with the 05' Cavs.. But he never learned how to WIN TITLES, only team-hop... It isn't the same thing

[Shooter]

Lebron and Durant only know how to team up - they never did what Giannis has a chance to do - learn how to WIN.

There's a big difference.. We already saw Giannis transform his game to fit teammates in the last series - he's learned that the winning formula on offense is for him to play like a center - this maximizes his team's offense and that's transferrable to any team.

Lebron learned some tricks too - certainly 18' Lebron isn't going to be lottery with the 05' Cavs.. But he never learned how to WIN TITLES, only team-hop... It isn't the same thing

Giannis is part of LeFam. Thanks for the endorsement.

[StrongLurk]

OP only cares about two players...Lebron and MJ.

Everything he types, even if he is "talking" about other players, is really about Lebron and MJ...mental disorders need to be addressed OP.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron and Durant only know how to team up - they never did what Giannis has a chance to do - learn how to WIN.

There's a big difference.. We already saw Giannis transform his game to fit teammates in the last series - he's learned that the winning formula on offense is for him to play like a center - this maximizes his team's offense and that's transferrable to any team.

Lebron learned some tricks too - certainly 18' Lebron isn't going to be lottery with the 05' Cavs.. But he never learned how to WIN TITLES, only team-hop... It isn't the same thing

Are you sure that was him that learned that?

We're 5 days removed from the Bucks needing to blow things up because Giannis has too many holes in his game to win a title. A couple injuries and a missed shot later and now he's > KD and Lebron? No. Sorry (even though I know you don't actually believe it yourself)

There's been several series where Lebron shifted his game. I think against Indiana in 2014 he started working almost exclusively from the post. And against SA in 2013 he decided to actually start working from the outside in.

A team changing things up for a couple games to exploit a matchup or because something just isn't working isn't rare.

Mind you, once Kyrie was injured the Bucks became the heavy favorites in the series. If they had lost it would have been really bad; i.e blow up the team.

[3ba11]

Giannis is part of LeFam. Thanks for the endorsement.


Giannis will be superior to Lebron if he wins a title

He'll do what 2010 Lebron couldn't do

[Ne 1]

A lot of it depends on the player fanbase. The media was hungry for someone to challenge Lebrons stranglehold on that title, and there are enough anti Lebron fans in the KD, and Kawhi fanbase (idk why). So those players got that title, Kawhi wasn’t really deserving of i IMO, KD has the title now.

There’s not enough anti-player X fans in Giannis camp AND he won two MVP’s and had no postseason success to show for it so people are going to be reluctant.

[Thenameless]

Props to Giannis and Milwaukee if they win this year's championship.

[8Ball]

By virtue of seeking an organic ring, Giannis is learning superior strategy to win than what Durant or Lebron know - he's figuring out what works and what doesn't.. this includes becoming more of a traditional big man on OFFENSE, and that's proving to be the winning formula (he's still a unicorn defensively - and that's the key - he can't be exploited like Gobert)... So if he learns the tricks and know-how to win organically with Middleton, he'll know how to lead any team to a title..

Otoh, KD and Lebron only know how to team up.. they never learned HOW TO WIN.. So if Giannis wins this year, he's better.

Sorry bud, just last week you were slurping Durant and shitting on Giannis, we all know you had a major meltdown when KD lost and left for a couple of days to figure out new ways for how to push your anti LeBron agenda.

[8Ball]

Sorry bud, just last week you were slurping Durant and shitting on Giannis, we all know you had a major meltdown when KD lost and left for a couple of days to figure out new ways for how to push your anti LeBron agenda.

He got so mad he detroyed his computer and cell phone and lost his passwords as a result. Then came crawling back with a new account :roll:

[Shooter]

While i don't agree with the Giannis take (yes his ring would be more respected than Bron or Durant's but he still wont be the best)
i DO agree that the media definitely does have storylines and narratives they want to push REGARDLESS of what actually happens out on the floor

Beating an injured Nets and then Finals inkured Suns/Clippers more respected? :lol

Nah bro, stick to lurking

[fsvr54]

Rex Chapman skill wise was better than Giannis will ever be.

[jlip]

I remember when Roy Williams won his first national title with North Carolina after failing to win at Kansas, one of the first things out of his mouth was something like, "I'm not a better coach now than I was last year."

[SouBeachTalents]

Just a few days ago OP believed Durant was the second coming and Giannis was "a Pippen". Now Giannis is the BITW and Durant is only capable of winning with superteams :lol

Of the many reasons OP is a joke, the biggest one is he literally has no convictions, he will do a complete 180 on subjects, as shown in this case, within literally a couple of days. He will argue both sides of an issue to push an agenda, no matter how badly he contradicts himself or makes an ass out of himself

[3ba11]

Just a few days ago OP believed Durant was the second coming and Giannis was "a Pippen". Now Giannis is the BITW and Durant is only capable of winning with superteams :lol

Of the many reasons OP is a joke, the biggest one is he literally has no convictions, he will do a complete 180 on subjects, as shown in this case, within literally a couple of days. He will argue both sides of an issue to push an agenda, no matter how badly he contradicts himself or makes an ass out of himself


Giannis is a Pippen, but so is Lebron.

Accordingly, there aren't any "closers" ahead of Giannis in the race for best player - so if he wins, he's the best, especially since he learned how to actually win, rather than just team up.

you just can't handle that truth

[SouBeachTalents]

Giannis is a Pippen, but so is Lebron.

Accordingly, there aren't any "closers" ahead of Giannis in the race for best player - so if he wins, he's the best, especially since he learned how to actually win, rather than just team up.

you just can't handle that truth
Giannis has come a long way in a couple of days, he went from being worse than Middleton, who you argued was worse than Jamison, to now being the best player in the world

[1987_Lakers]

can he consistently do any moves off that jumper, or is he dribbling up to the line like a beginner?

giannis is UNSKILLED and people should realize that

you think last year's loss as the favored 1 seed was a fluke? he's gonna lose with great teams his entire career (just like lebron) because he's unskilled and wins off athletic dominance, not skill

you'll see...

and ultimately, I can't believe people compare what he's doing in this spaced-out game (the same thing over and over) to what actually skilled players did in previous eras

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?476366-The-latest-BS-quot-if-Giannis-hits-that-jumpshot-it-s-over-quot

From that to "Giannis is the best in the league" :oldlol:

You have also changed your mind on Paul George like 3 times in the last 2 years. Anything to fit your agenda.

By your logic Giannis is LeBron, so I would be shitting bricks if he wins the title.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?476366-The-latest-BS-quot-if-Giannis-hits-that-jumpshot-it-s-over-quot

From that to "Giannis is the best in the league" :oldlol:

You have also changed your mind on Paul George like 3 times in the last 2 years. Anything to fit your agenda.

By your logic Giannis is LeBron, so I would be shitting bricks if he wins the title.
PG went from overrated 2nd option when he was a threat to LeBron, to ATG to diminish Pippen

Kareem & AD were "bird fed losers", then LeBron wins the title and he literally argues the exact opposite

And as I stated above, according to his arguments Giannis > Jamison just a few days ago, now he's the BITW

3ball is the biggest clown on the forum :lol Flip flops worse than a politician

[8Ball]

We don't need the media. We have Scottie Pippen in 2011:


LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game," Pippen said Friday morning on ESPN Radio. "Because he's so potent offensively that not only can he score at will, but he keeps everybody involved and you have to be on your Ps and Qs on defense because no guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score when LeBron James is out there. Not only that, but he's also doing it on the defensive end."

[3ba11]

Giannis has come a long way in a couple of days, he went from being worse than Middleton, who you argued was worse than Jamison, to now being the best player in the world


If Giannis learns how to WIN, then he's better than Lebron and Durant, who only learned how to team up.

There's a difference.

The former requires getting better at basketball, namely adjusting one's game to develop teammates and system, while the latter simply acquires enough star power to win..

We already saw Giannis adjust his game in the last series.. He learned how the winning formula for his game is to play like a center on offense and set a lot of screens - this know-how is transferrable to any team to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron never learned what works for his game except teaming up - he never learned how to WIN like giannis is now.. Ultimately, Lebron has a 4/10 team ceiling/Finals record despite having 1b's and super-teams, which is nowhere near goat, and it's fraudulent to pretend it is.

In addition to learning how to win (rather than just teaming up), there's a perseverance factor with organic winning that develops better character than team-hopping around like a kid.

[Shooter]

We don't need the media. We have Scottie Pippen in 2011:

Killshot

[1987_Lakers]

If Giannis learns how to WIN, then he's better than Lebron and Durant, who only learned how to team up.

There's a difference.

The former requires getting better at basketball, namely adjusting one's game to develop teammates and system, while the latter simply acquires enough star power to win..

We already saw Giannis adjust his game in the last series.. He learned how the winning formula for his game is to play like a center on offense and set a lot of screens - this know-how is transferrable to any team to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron never learned what works for his game except teaming up - he never learned how to WIN like giannis is now.. Ultimately, Lebron has a 4/10 team ceiling/Finals record despite having 1b's and super-teams, which is nowhere near goat, and it's fraudulent to pretend it is.

In addition to learning how to win (rather than just teaming up), there's a perseverance factor with organic winning that develops better character than team-hopping around like a kid.



you think last year's loss as the favored 1 seed was a fluke? he's gonna lose with great teams his entire career (just like lebron) because he's unskilled and wins off athletic dominance, not skill

lol

[ShawkFactory]

PG went from overrated 2nd option when he was a threat to LeBron, to ATG to diminish Pippen

Kareem & AD were "bird fed losers", then LeBron wins the title and he literally argues the exact opposite

And as I stated above, according to his arguments Giannis > Jamison just a few days ago, now he's the BITW

3ball is the biggest clown on the forum :lol Flip flops worse than a politician

And now this "organic" stuff.

There's been a LOT of ill talk about Steph Curry recently from OP. This new argument here doesn't fit that agenda at all :lol

[Shooter]

lol

https://i.postimg.cc/0jRM6w4q/Le-Giannis.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/f40c70a52dbf0e83b9d1da6a9eaf7f52/tenor.gif

[3ba11]

lol


You've never been proven wrong by a player?

Giannis is proving me wrong by winning organically, while Lebron never did.

I didn't know Giannis would adjust his game like that, which allowed teammates to thrive.

He's learning that the winning formula for his game is to play like a center on offense and set a lot of screens - this know-how is transferrable to any team to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron never learned what works for his game except teaming up - he never learned how to WIN like giannis is now.. Ultimately, Lebron has a 4/10 team ceiling/Finals record despite having 1b's and super-teams, which is nowhere near goat, and it's fraudulent to pretend it is.

In addition to learning how to win (rather than just teaming up), there's a perseverance factor with organic winning that develops better character than team-hopping around like a kid.

[1987_Lakers]

You've never been proven wrong by a player?

Giannis is proving me wrong by winning organically, while Lebron never did.

I didn't know Giannis would adjust his game like that, which allowed teammates to thrive.

He's learning that the winning formula for his game is to play like a center on offense and set a lot of screens - this know-how is transferrable to any team to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron never learned what works for his game except teaming up - he never learned how to WIN like giannis is now.. Ultimately, Lebron has a 4/10 team ceiling/Finals record despite having 1b's and super-teams, which is nowhere near goat, and it's fraudulent to pretend it is.

In addition to learning how to win (rather than just teaming up), there's a perseverance factor with organic winning that develops better character than team-hopping around like a kid.


you think last year's loss as the favored 1 seed was a fluke? he's gonna lose with great teams his entire career (just like lebron) because he's unskilled and wins off athletic dominance, not skill

lol

[3ba11]

lol


How come Lebron never learned how to win, and only learned to team up?

Giannis is learning how to win (not just team up), so he's superior at basketball and also a superior talent to begin with (MVP and DPOY in same season, unprecedented physical dominance, aka record for dunks)

[1987_Lakers]

How come Lebron never learned how to win, and only to team up

Giannis is learning how to win (not just team up), so he's therefore superior at basketball and also a superior talent to begin with (MVP and DPOY in same season, unprecedented physical dominance, aka record for dunks)

1-9

[3ba11]

1-9


Lebron got 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the playoffs in 06'

So 1-9 compares 3rd year high seeds to 1st year eight seeds

carry on

[Gohan]

Killshot

keep using that trash ass eminem diss, where mgk murked him while eating a bowl of cheerios in the video

[ShawkFactory]

You've never been proven wrong by a player?

Giannis is proving me wrong by winning organically, while Lebron never did.

I didn't know Giannis would adjust his game like that, which allowed teammates to thrive.

He's learning that the winning formula for his game is to play like a center on offense and set a lot of screens - this know-how is transferrable to any team to win organically.. Otoh, Lebron never learned what works for his game except teaming up - he never learned how to WIN like giannis is now.. Ultimately, Lebron has a 4/10 team ceiling/Finals record despite having 1b's and super-teams, which is nowhere near goat, and it's fraudulent to pretend it is.

In addition to learning how to win (rather than just teaming up), there's a perseverance factor with organic winning that develops better character than team-hopping around like a kid.

Annnnnnddddd there it is :applause:

[basketballcat]

The media goes by "narratives" instead of facts because it is what most people can process. This extends beyond sports. In politics, for example, the media would rarely go into the intricacies. They would go with an easily digestable soundbite like "this policy is separating children from their parents".

Even in fandom, the concept of an "eye test" is one of the dumbest things that I have come across. It's an subjective assessment based completely on feeling, and yet people often try to pass it off as something rigorous. "He passes the eye test". What the does this statement even mean? What it really means is "he doesn't pass the eye test because he doesn't pass the eye test". No further analysis required. Dumb.

Another thing with sports media is that they live in an echo chamber. There are a few, like Stan Van Gundy, who are there to spice things up. However, the majority are there to parrot each other. They are their to stoke fandoms, and most importantly get views. That's their game. Their opinion on the sport doesn't carry more weight than any jackass in a forum claiming to have followed the sport for decades.

[basketballcat]

the other night at the US track trials the favourite in the 800m mens lost and finished out of Olympic placement

the four-person TV crew (why?) crowed about his invincibility for 5 minutes before and during the race and then yelled and howled over him losing

probably at most 5% of the viewers care about track (outside of the Olympic years) and could ID an 800m runner, the rest tune in (even for the trials) are there for the once in 4 (or 5) year concern for swimming and track

thanks media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ3rsDxBs9U

Looked this up. You're right, the dude came in dead last. Those commentators are not analysts, they are fans.

[basketballcat]

An illustration of why narratives, "eye test", and impressions can often be dead wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByI9WeXp9g