Ron Harper on Michael Jordan

[SATAN]

“MJ can close out any game. Scottie by his own mind was a great basketball player. Luke was a great player from Australia. We had Toni Kukoc from Croatia who was a great scorer, and you had Steve Kerr who was an excellent shooter. We had a pretty good basketball team there, and it was great to be on that team. MJ is a great player, but without his role-players, he wouldn’t have won as many championships as he had won.”

:applause:

It's good to see MJ's former team mates going against the MJ stan narrative and calling a spade a spade, like after The Last Dance dropped :oldlol:

Overrated.

Carry on..

[LAL]

This is sad and funny. Do you kids understand basic basketball?

[hateraid]

This is sad and funny. Do you kids understand basic basketball?

Do you think MJ stans like 3ball do?

What Ron Harper said IS basic basketball knowledge.

[LAL]

Do you think MJ stans like 3ball do?

What Ron Harper said IS basic basketball knowledge.

Stop defending your fellow bronsexual who thougt he had a "gotcha" moment because someone said it's a team game.

[SATAN]

This is sad and funny. Do you kids understand basic basketball?

Meltdown

[hateraid]

Stop defending your fellow bronsexual who thougt he had a "gotcha" moment because someone said it's a team game.

Who are my "fellow" bronsexuals? Ask any Lebron stan, I don't defend him.

And you're attacking someone who's pointing out a player who played with Jordan wouldn't have won as much without the team he had. It actually makes YOU look salty

[SATAN]

He's extremely low IQ and salty tbh

[LAL]

Who are my "fellow" bronsexuals? Ask any Lebron stan, I don't defend him.

And you're attacking someone who's pointing out a player who played with Jordan wouldn't have won as much without the team he had. It actually makes YOU look salty

Wtf lol. My point is, yeah team game we know, and other players want credit too, it's always been like that. Just thought it was sad and funny.

[Smoke117]

Ron Harper was talented, but he didn’t have a great bbiq. It took him a long time to grasp the triangle offense. That and the fact that he shouldn’t have been shooting as much as he was anyway at this point (he was essentially launching 18 shots a game to average 20ppg that last season on the shit Clippers) are why his numbers took a huge nose dive. He played good defense, though, and Kerr made up the difference scoring wise.

[LAL]

He can't close out many games but we had tristan thompson great player from canada, great shooters in Love, smith, allen etc, a great defender from australia and america, Kyrie who could score better than lebron, AD who is basically Kareem with beter defense and shot, Wade was pretty okay too. Without his role players he would've lost more than 6 finals

Some teammate on Lebron

[LAL]

Ron Harper was talented, but he didn’t have a great bbiq. It took him a long time to grasp the triangle offense. That and the fact that he shouldn’t have been shooting as much as he was anyway at this point (he was essentially launching 18 shots a game to average 20ppg that last season on the shit Clippers) are why his numbers took a huge nose dive. He played good defense, though, and Kerr made up the difference scoring wise. There’s also the fact that Clippers were 1 in pace while the Bulls triangle was much slower. He was always more of a run and gun type player.

His knees were shot in LA at that point. You're right about everything else.

[SATAN]

Ron Harper was talented, but he didn’t have a great bbiq. It took him a long time to grasp the triangle offense. That and the fact that he shouldn’t have been shooting as much as he was anyway at this point (he was essentially launching 18 shots a game to average 20ppg that last season on the shit Clippers) are why his numbers took a huge nose dive. He played good defense, though, and Kerr made up the difference scoring wise.

It doesn't seem like he was trying to gain credit just for himself. Seems more like a message to those super MJ stans like "Hey, gives us some credit too. Your guy wouldn't have made it past the first round without us".

[hateraid]

He can't close out many games but we had tristan thompson great player from canada, great shooters in Love, smith, allen etc, a great defender from australia and america, Kyrie who could score better than lebron, AD who is basically Kareem with beter defense and shot, Wade was pretty okay too. Without his role players he would've lost more than 6 finals

Some teammate on Lebron

You would praise something like this you hypocrite

[hateraid]

Wtf lol. My point is, yeah team game we know, and other players want credit too, it's always been like that. Just thought it was sad and funny.

So it's justified and true if it was said about Lebron. STFU you hypocrite

[LAL]

So it's justified and true if it was said about Lebron. STFU you hypocrite

It would be much closer to the truth than MJ and his "superteam". But basketball is always a team game. MJ was just better, didn't have to team up with superstars to reach 6/6.

Why are you mad?

[Smoke117]

It doesn't seem like he was trying to gain credit just for himself. Seems more like a message to those super MJ stans like "Hey, gives us some credit too. Your guy wouldn't have made it past the first round without us".

Never said he was and he’s absolutely right. Jordan had another all time great in Pippen and good role players. Only mentally deranged obsessive stans like 3ball think Jordan did it all alone.

[hateraid]

It would be much closer to the truth than MJ and his "superteam". But basketball is always a team game. MJ was just better, didn't have to team up with superstars to reach 6/6.

Why are you mad?

Who's mad? You're the salty one because a Jordan teammate pointed out who couldn't have won without the team he inherited. Stans like you have got to put a spin on it.

[LAL]

Who's mad? You're the salty one because a Jordan teammate pointed out who couldn't have won without the team he inherited. Stans like you have got to put a spin on it.

No i laughed because he made a topic about it. That's all.

Team game. Every role player that won rings will say that. I'm not even disagreeing with that. But you could say that for every player, every team sport.

[SATAN]

Thank you for adding nothing to this thread whatsoever. :whatever:

[LAL]

Thank you for adding nothing to this thread whatsoever. :whatever:

No problem. Let me know if you need anything here.

[jayfan]

Stopped reading after the Luc Longley reference.



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[TheCorporation]

This is sad and funny. Do you kids understand basic basketball?

Meltdown

[Bronbron23]

“MJ can close out any game. Scottie by his own mind was a great basketball player. Luke was a great player from Australia. We had Toni Kukoc from Croatia who was a great scorer, and you had Steve Kerr who was an excellent shooter. We had a pretty good basketball team there, and it was great to be on that team. MJ is a great player, but without his role-players, he wouldn’t have won as many championships as he had won.”

:applause:

It's good to see MJ's former team mates going against the MJ stan narrative and calling a spade a spade, like after The Last Dance dropped :oldlol:

Overrated.

Carry on..

News flash. You need good teammates to win chips. Thanks buddy

[tpols]

Stopped reading after the Luc Longley reference.



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Right? :oldlol:

You could literally do this with any championship team ever. The only notable teammates MJ had that deserve ring credit are pippen and maybe Rodman. Everyone else was totally dispensable.

[Johnny32]

jordan was surrounded by an elite defensive team in an offensively challenged era. there's about 20 players in today's ridiculously skilled nba who would have won in the same situation.

[Bronbron23]

jordan was surrounded by an elite defensive team in an offensively challenged era. there's about 20 players in today's ridiculously skilled nba who would have won in the same situation.

Who was this elite defensive team in the first three peat? Other than him and pip who was elite defensively?

[Bronbron23]

jordan was surrounded by an elite defensive team in an offensively challenged era. there's about 20 players in today's ridiculously skilled nba who would have won in the same situation.

And lol at it being an offensively challenged era. You were just allowed playing real defensive. The only reason why scoring is up is because this is a defensive challenged era. Bring back real defense and watch offense drop.

[Johnny32]

Who was this elite defensive team in the first three peat? Other than him and pip who was elite defensively?

lol uh, horace grant.

[Johnny32]

and i'm not really talking about the first 3-peat anyway. those championships are legit. 4-6 are a laughable, league assisted, expansion diluted, joke.

[Smoke117]

Who was this elite defensive team in the first three peat? Other than him and pip who was elite defensively?

Bulls got better defensively in 94 when Jordan retired. (106.1 drating in 93 to 102.7) He was the weak link, chief.

[Bronbron23]

and i'm not really talking about the first 3-peat anyway. those championships are legit. 4-6 are a laughable, league assisted, expansion diluted, joke.

But the expansion argument is a joke. Nobody gave up anything good. The expansion in the 90's effects now more than it effective shit then so unless your a proponent of the 80's or before its a terrible argument

[Bronbron23]

lol uh, horace grant.

And Horace was a pretty good defender. Not sure i'd say he was elite. He was good though

[Johnny32]

But the expansion argument is a joke. Nobody gave up anything good. The expansion in the 90's effects now more than it effective shit then so unless your a proponent of the 80's or before its a terrible argument

coasting every other night vs 2-19 teams is a joke. jordan looked old in 96-98 if you actually watched him before the comeback. no chance in hell he wins 3 more championships in a ridiculously competitive era like the current nba.

[Johnny32]

And Horace was a pretty good defender. Not sure i'd say he was elite. He was good though

4x all defensive is elite.

[Bronbron23]

Bulls got better defensively in 94 when Jordan retired. (106.1 drating in 93 to 102.7) He was the weak link, chief.

Well drtg is kind of joke for obvious reasons that's been discussed on here before. Jj red had onw of the best drtg in the league a couple years and he got roasted on a regular defensively. According to drtg paul milsap, Danny green and demarcus cousins are all better defenders than lebron which is crazy to me but hey must be true. Drtg says so.

[Johnny32]

i mean look at some of these horrific teams jordan got to play against.

den - leading scorer johnny newman (14 ppg)
lac - leading scorer rodney rodgers (15 ppg)
nets (playoffs opponent) - leading scorer rookie keith van horn (20 ppg)

the 98 season was so bad duncan came in dominating as a rookie. making 1st team all nba, 2nd team all defense. hadn't been done since bird 20 years prior and i don't think it's been done since. another rook already mentioned, kvh, dropping 20-7 and leading his team to the playoffs lol. brevin knight, another rook, led the league in total steals.

[3ball]

“MJ can close out any game. Scottie by his own mind was a great basketball player. Luke was a great player from Australia. We had Toni Kukoc from Croatia who was a great scorer, and you had Steve Kerr who was an excellent shooter. We had a pretty good basketball team there, and it was great to be on that team. MJ is a great player, but without his role-players, he wouldn’t have won as many championships as he had won.”

:applause:

It's good to see MJ's former team mates going against the MJ stan narrative and calling a spade a spade, like after The Last Dance dropped :oldlol:

Overrated.

Carry on..


he called everyone outside of Jordan a role player

and this is true

only Jordan was held responsible for winning and losing

Harper's comments are "player appreciation" comments for Jordan's cast, which is the only kind of coverage they ever got

The cast was never covered for their good play, aka "Kerr took over down the stretch to seal game for Bulls".... The cast was never covered like that.. it was only player appreciation coverage trying to convince people that the cast wasn't bad.. lol.. charity coverage.. carry on.. when someone ACTUALLY compliments the cast, let me know

[hateraid]

he called everyone outside of Jordan a role player

and this is true

only Jordan was held responsible for winning and losing

Harper's comments are "player appreciation" comments for Jordan's cast, which is the only kind of coverage they ever got

The cast was never covered for their good play, aka "Kerr took over down the stretch to seal game for Bulls".... The cast was never covered like that.. it was only player appreciation coverage trying to convince people that the cast wasn't bad.. lol.. charity coverage.. carry on.. when someone ACTUALLY compliments the cast, let me know

Why am I not surprised this guy missed the jist of the statement. He's saying Jordan.wouls have won that much without them. Lol.

Ahh 3ball with his dumbass takes and spins.

[3ball]

Why am I not surprised this guy missed the jist of the statement. He's saying Jordan.wouls have won that much without them. Lol.

Ahh 3ball with his dumbass takes and spins.


Yes, without 4 other players on the floor, Jordan wouldn't win - he can't win by himself on the floor - he needs 4 role players

[Bronbron23]

coasting every other night vs 2-19 teams is a joke. jordan looked old in 96-98 if you actually watched him before the comeback. no chance in hell he wins 3 more championships in a ridiculously competitive era like the current nba.

Right meanwhile an injured Miami heat who was one of the weakest finals team ever just made it to the finals and got 2 games. Currently the jazz who have no superstars are the number 1 team in the league. This is clearly one of the easiest era's ever.

Must be nice living in denial though

[sdot_thadon]

Yes, without 4 other players on the floor, Jordan wouldn't win - he can't win by himself on the floor - he needs 4 role players

As long as at least one role player makes all nba and all defensive teams right?

[Johnny32]

Right meanwhile an injured Miami heat who was one of the weakest finals team ever just made it to the finals and got 2 games. Currently the jazz who have no superstars are the number 1 team in the league. This is clearly one of the easiest era's ever.

Must be nice living in denial though

lol the jazz have like 6 players on their roster better than the newman/rodgers of the mid 90s. and they were the best players on their teams!

[Johnny32]

derrick favors this season is averaging 5 ppg in 15 mpg off the bench for utah. he'd be vin baker in the mid 90s.

[Bronbron23]

lol the jazz have like 6 players on their roster better than the newman/rodgers of the mid 90s. and they were the best players on their teams!

No they don't. They're just relevant at the moment so it feels that way. The jazz are a mid level team if you drop them in the 90's.

[hateraid]

Yes, without 4 other players on the floor, Jordan wouldn't win - he can't win by himself on the floor - he needs 4 role players

He said specifically that team. Learn to comprehend

[Johnny32]

yes they do.

[coin24]

He can't close out many games but we had tristan thompson great player from canada, great shooters in Love, smith, allen etc, a great defender from australia and america, Kyrie who could score better than lebron, AD who is basically Kareem with beter defense and shot, Wade was pretty okay too. Without his role players he would've lost more than 6 finals

Some teammate on Lebron

:roll::roll:

4/10.. not even a pass mark:oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

you need role players to help win championships.

more news at 11

[3ball]

He said specifically that team. Learn to comprehend


He said everyone was a role player except Jordan

Where do you think the term "supporting cast" originated - it started in 1989

[hateraid]

He said everyone was a role player except Jordan

Where do you think the term "supporting cast" originated - it started in 1989

Right, and he said Jordan wouldn't have won as much without this cast. Learn to comprehend dumdum.

[3ball]

.
2018 Celtics.... 55 wins... #7 SRS.. 1 all-star.. 3.6 net rating

1989 Cavs........ 57 wins.. #1 SRS.. 3 all-star.. 7.7 net rating
1989 Knicks..... 52 wins.. #8 SRS.. 2 all-star.. 3.7 net rating


It was pre-title Jordan and his sophomore low seed that beat the 89' Cavs, whereas Lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the 18' Celtics rookies..

Also, 89' Ewing was a dominant player and vastly superior to anyone on the 18' Celtics..

Ultimately, the 18' Celtics were a weak team and who cares about carry-jobs against weak teams?... The historical record shows that lebron can't beat top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so he has zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing.. (see the 15' ECF for a good example).

Lebron can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he's poor at the additional contested jumpshooting required of tough carry-jobs.. the stats show that he avoids contested jumpshots )defers them to teammates)

[3ball]

.
05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense


TLDR: 90' Jordan nearly won the title with a worse cast than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball, including the #19 defense and worse offensive teammates across the board, starting with the sidekicks (shown above).

Otoh, prime Lebron needed a much better cast than the 05' Cavs to be title-worthy - he wasn't title-worthy with the #19 defense and weak offensive teammates like 90' Jordan was.




Right, and he said Jordan wouldn't have won as much without this cast. Learn to comprehend dumdum.


That's what anyone says, about any team

The reality is that no one had a higher production rate/burden, and no one carried weaker teams further (stats above), and only MJ had a dynasty with just 1 other star.

And it was a pretty weak star, aka "true" 2nd option - it's rare to win with a true 2nd options that never achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP, and Jordan has a whopping 6 rings with true 2nd options and no super-teams.. aka goat by far

[GOBB]

If my aunt had balls she be my uncle Ron Harper. Way to state the obvious there bud.

[Johnny32]

lol what a dumb comparison. jordan at the same age as 05 lebron was failing in college as the best player on his own team...getting shut down by dan dakich and torched on the other end by steve alford in the ncaa tournament.

[3ball]

lol what a dumb comparison. jordan at the same age as 05 lebron was failing in college as the best player on his own team...getting shut down by dan dakich and torched on the other end by steve alford in the ncaa tournament.


prime Lebron needed a much better cast than the 05' Cavs to be title-worthy - he wasn't title-worthy with the #19 defense and weak offensive teammates like 90' Jordan was.

Ultimately, the 90' Bulls were a lottery cast and considered the biggest 1-man team in history - dynasties needed special Jordan Rules to beat him.. So that lottery cast in 90' didn't turn into a dynasty cast by 91'.. the stats show that all 6 of Jordan's rings were bigger carry-jobs than 11' Dirk's ring

[Bronbron23]

lol what a dumb comparison. jordan at the same age as 05 lebron was failing in college as the best player on his own team...getting shut down by dan dakich and torched on the other end by steve alford in the ncaa tournament.

Well he did lead the usa team to a gold medal while beating the nba all star squad 8-0. Bobby night said he was the goat before even stepping on an nba floor so there is that.

Can only imagine if bron did that. His stans would be circle jerking on this forum to this day talking about it.

[hateraid]

.
2018 Celtics.... 55 wins... #7 SRS.. 1 all-star.. 3.6 net rating

1989 Cavs........ 57 wins.. #1 SRS.. 3 all-star.. 7.7 net rating
1989 Knicks..... 52 wins.. #8 SRS.. 2 all-star.. 3.7 net rating


It was pre-title Jordan and his sophomore low seed that beat the 89' Cavs, whereas Lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the 18' Celtics rookies..

Also, 89' Ewing was a dominant player and vastly superior to anyone on the 18' Celtics..

Ultimately, the 18' Celtics were a weak team and who cares about carry-jobs against weak teams?... The historical record shows that lebron can't beat top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so he has zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing.. (see the 15' ECF for a good example).

Lebron can't have carry-jobs against good teams because he's poor at the additional contested jumpshooting required of tough carry-jobs.. the stats show that he avoids contested jumpshots )defers them to teammates)

Jebuz Crepes. What does this have to do with Lebron?
And again, context bozo. Harper says Jordan wouldn't have won AS MUCH without this particular cast.
But according to you he can take any cast, including a less than Boobie Gibson Pippen and win a championship.
But go ahead and post the Ilgaskus thing

[Johnny32]

Well he did lead the usa team to a gold medal while beating the nba all star squad 8-0. Bobby night said he was the goat before even stepping on an nba floor so there is that.

Can only imagine if bron did that. His stans would be circle jerking on this forum to this day talking about it.

lol i couldn't care less about international basketball. especially in the 80s before the rest of the world closed the gap.

[Axe]

lol i couldn't care less about international basketball. especially in the 80s before the rest of the world closed the gap.
Whose dup is this?

[3ball]

Jebuz Crepes. What does this have to do with Lebron?
And again, context bozo. Harper says Jordan wouldn't have won AS MUCH without this particular cast.
But according to you he can take any cast, including a less than Boobie Gibson Pippen and win a championship.
But go ahead and post the Ilgaskus thing


Ron Harper is fully aware that the 89' Bulls were a low seed that beat his #1 SRS Cavs in a massive upset.

Otoh, if Jordan had 3 perennial all-star teammates like Price, Nance and Daughtery (Nance was also perennial all-defender), he would've titled easily starting in 1989 through at least 1992 (92' Cavs went to the ECF)

So Harper is simply lying through his teeth to boost his own rep since he was on those Bulls'casts..

But the reality is that Harper, Kerr, Longley, Wennington, Paxson, Kukoc, and frequently Pippen - all bums and the stats show that - none of them had impressive stats or "star" stats, except occasionally pippen





.
But go ahead and post the Ilgaskus thing




the 90' Bulls had a lottery cast that was worse than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball (#19 defense and worse offensive teammates across the board, starting with the sidekicks).

So those 90' Bulls were considered the biggest 1-man team in history and dynasties needed special Jordan Rules to beat them... But they didn't go from lottery to dynasty cast in 1 year in 91'.. they were always a weak cast and the stats show that all 6 rings were bigger carry-jobs than Dirk's ring.

[hateraid]

Ron Harper is fully aware that the 89' Bulls were a low seed that beat his #1 SRS Cavs in a massive upset.

Otoh, if Jordan had 3 perennial all-star teammates like Price, Nance and Daughtery (Nance was also perennial all-defender), he would've titled easily starting in 1989 through at least 1992 (92' Cavs went to the ECF)

So Harper is simply lying through his teeth to boost his own rep since he was on those Bulls'casts..

But the reality is that Harper, Kerr, Longley, Wennington, Paxson, Kukoc, and frequently Pippen - all bums and the stats show that - none of them had impressive stats or "star" stats, except occasionally pippen






the 90' Bulls had a lottery cast that was worse than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball (#19 defense and worse offensive teammates across the board, starting with the sidekicks).

So those 90' Bulls were considered the biggest 1-man team in history and dynasties needed special Jordan Rules to beat them... But they didn't go from lottery to dynasty cast in 1 year in 91'.. they were always a weak cast and the stats show that all 6 rings were bigger carry-jobs than Dirk's ring.

Do you not understand the meaning of context? None of what you posted has anything to do with what Ron Harper said. Jebuz, please get yourself banned

[mehyaM24]

Otoh, if Jordan had 3 perennial all-star teammates like Price, Nance and Daughtery (Nance was also perennial all-defender), he would've titled easily starting in 1989 through at least 1992 (92' Cavs went to the ECF)

So Harper is simply lying through his teeth to boost his own rep since he was on those Bulls'casts..

its not that harper is lying. he's just gassing himself up. on chicago, harp was a good role player who contributed. what he is saying though is also common knowledge. nobody literally steps onto the court and wins a basketball game by themself.

[Bronbron23]

Whose dup is this?

You could care less about a college kid beating a team of hof and all stars 8-0 with numerous observers saying he was the best player on the floor? Your not fooling anyone. We all know you'd think it was a pretty big deal if bron did it.

[Axe]

You could care less about a college kid beating a team of hof and all stars 8-0 with numerous observers saying he was the best player on the floor? Your not fooling anyone. We all know you'd think it was a pretty big deal if bron did it.
Huh?:wtf:

[Bronbron23]

Huh?:wtf:

Lol my bad meant for someone else

[SATAN]

Right? :oldlol:

You could literally do this with any championship team ever. The only notable teammates MJ had that deserve ring credit are pippen and maybe Rodman. Everyone else was totally dispensable.

So Steve Kerr bailing out the Bulls in game 6 doesn't count for anything?? :facepalm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

[LAL]

If my aunt had balls she be my uncle Ron Harper. Way to state the obvious there bud.

:roll:

[Mauzah]

Rhonda Harper?

:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

So Steve Kerr bailing out the Bulls in game 6 doesn't count for anything?? :facepalm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE

Tie game and Bulls up in the series.

Bailing out is Ray Allen in game 6 vs Spurs, Kyrie in a Game 7 last minute tie game. Those are bail outs. Not when you up already in the series.

[Johnny32]

You could care less about a college kid beating a team of hof and all stars 8-0 with numerous observers saying he was the best player on the floor? Your not fooling anyone. We all know you'd think it was a pretty big deal if bron did it.

lol you're a clown. how about naming the 84 oly roster and the amazing nba stars they played against?

[Johnny32]

players cut from the 84 oly team. barkley, stockton, terry porter, etc. let's pretend they had no talent (for the era) and the great mj beat magic, bird, etc by himself.

[Bronbron23]

players cut from the 84 oly team. barkley, stockton, terry porter, etc. let's pretend they had no talent (for the era) and the great mj beat magic, bird, etc by himself.

Nah it's never done by one guy but he was the best player and set himself apart as such. Do you not credit bron more than anyone else when he wins?

[Bronbron23]

lol you're a clown. how about naming the 84 oly roster and the amazing nba stars they played against?

Uhhh bird, magic and thomas to name a few. Coukd stop right there. Thats like 10 chips between the 3 of them and all 3 led atg teams. Mchale, parrish, worthy and drexler are also some notible names.

Amazing enough for you:facepalm

[Johnny32]

Uhhh bird, magic and thomas to name a few. Coukd stop right there. Thats like 10 chips between the 3 of them and all 3 led atg teams. Mchale, parrish, worthy and drexler are also some notible names.

Amazing enough for you:facepalm

jordan had 92 dream team players all over the court. and funnily enough steve alford who just pushed his shit in in the ncaa tournament. and the nba players didn't play all play in each game together lol. nice try. and who even gives a ****...they're exhibitions. you tried to embarrassingly compare lebron at 20/21 to 1990 jordan and now we're here. boring and pathetic.

[Bronbron23]

jordan had 92 dream team players all over the court. and funnily enough steve alford who just pushed his shit in in the ncaa tournament. and the nba players didn't play all play in each game together lol. nice try. and who even gives a ****...they're exhibitions. you tried to embarrassingly compare lebron at 20/21 to 1990 jordan and now we're here. boring and pathetic.

Saying mj had 92 dream teamers is like saying bron had prime shaq. Nice try though.

And stop melting down and making up stuff. Your the one that tried comparing 20 year old bron to 20 year old mj. You just don't like the facts that go with that.

[Johnny32]

Saying mj had 92 dream teamers is like saying bron had prime shaq. Nice try though.

And stop melting down and making up stuff. Your the one that tried comparing 20 year old bron to 20 year old mj. You just don't like the facts that go with that.

hurrr, jordan at 20 and 21 embarrassed himself in the ncaa tournament....but he won some meaningless exhibitions vs half trying pro's, durrr

[aceman]

Ron Harper was talented, but he didn’t have a great bbiq. It took him a long time to grasp the triangle offense. That and the fact that he shouldn’t have been shooting as much as he was anyway at this point (he was essentially launching 18 shots a game to average 20ppg that last season on the shit Clippers) are why his numbers took a huge nose dive. He played good defense, though, and Kerr made up the difference scoring wise.

Harper had a great bball IQ. Look at the cuts & passes he made. Not to mention his ability to guard multiple positions & to switch & double on defense. Problem with the triangle was that his offensive game never matched that system - he was a poor shooter.
With the Lakers he played as point guard & ran triangle as facilitator.
Now some random guy on internet says he had low ball IQ... Ok

[LBJFTW]

you need role players to help win championships.

more news at 11

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

hurrr, jordan at 20 and 21 embarrassed himself in the ncaa tournament....but he won some meaningless exhibitions vs half trying pro's, durrr

At the end of the day it's about winning. What did bron do that was so meaningful at 20? I'd say a gold medal and beating a team of all stars and champions 8 times is more meaningful than playing a bunch of nba games and not making playoffs.

[SATAN]

Bronnbron23 is doing exactly what typical MJ stans do. Reads the thread and then goes on to make it all about MJ winning, not the team.

You can't make this shit up. :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

Bronnbron23 is doing exactly what typical MJ stans do. Reads the thread and then goes on to make it all about MJ winning, not the team.

You can't make this shit up. :facepalm

No dummy it's about more than winning you have to dominate also, which both guys do.

I'm just talking facts. A gold medal alone is a bigger accomplishment than not making it to the playoffs. I think most rational people would agree. beating nba champions and all stars 8-0 as a college kid is just icing on the cake.

[Axe]

hurrr, jordan at 20 and 21 embarrassed himself in the ncaa tournament....but he won some meaningless exhibitions vs half trying pro's, durrr
It's only getting more apparent with each passing day on whose this lousy dup actually belongs to. :milton

[Bronbron23]

It's only getting more apparent with each passing day on whose this lousy dup actually belongs to. :milton

Yup busted

[Johnny32]

It's only getting more apparent with each passing day on whose this lousy dup actually belongs to. :milton

my first and only name here. i laugh at your life though.

[FireDavidKahn]

Michael Jordan had 562 games averaging over 30pts.
His +/- in those games totalled 776.

LeBron James has had 466 games averaging over 30pts.
His +/- in those games totals 2869.

[Axe]

my first and only name here. i laugh at your life though.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-07-2016/xJ7Wh2.gif

[Stanley Kobrick]

not quite sure what the original post quotes or the exausting 3day branbran72hr eruption. however many here know ron harper is one of my favorite mid 90's players 20 pts, 6 reb, 5 ats, 2 sts on elite all 1st team defense. and as often said adjusted to todays era that's 25.5, 8, 7. this was 1995 bulls 4th option backup SG. so much firepower. the leagues 2 top 5 SG's

[SATAN]

Michael Jordan had 562 games averaging over 30pts.
His +/- in those games totalled 776.

LeBron James has had 466 games averaging over 30pts.
His +/- in those games totals 2869.

:bowdown: