Take AD off lakers and KD of nets who wins?

[Bronbron23]

Bron
Schroder
Drummond
Harrell
Kuzma
Tucker
Pope
Caruso
Morris

Harden
Kyrie
Aldridge
Blake
Harris
Jordan
Green
Claxton
Brown

In a 7 game finals series?

Lakers have the clear advantage defensively. It's not even close. Offensively it's close but i'd give a slight advantage to nets. The mistake people are making is thinking Aldridge and especially blake are there prime all star selves. They're both shells of themselves offensively and are still pretty bad defensively.

Looking at these rosters lakers are clearly better built for the post season.

[Airupthere]

Defense will be a huge factor and we caught a glimpse of that in the past game. Lakers have the upper hand on this one.

[FultzNationRISE]

Games arent played on paper.

Lebron is the only clutch player on his roster, the rest are extremely unreliable in big situations. You might get a decent game out of them, you might not. In a seven game series, Lebron always has to carry the load himself for at LEAST 2-3 games.

At 36 that is such a huge ask. He doesnt have the luxury of a Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, and a HOF coach etc. when he plays in Finals.

A title in his current situation would be stupid impressive to actually win this year, but it is absolutely not reasonable to expect it.

[tpols]

The Lakers without AD had more help in 2019 than they'd have without him today, and they couldn't even make the playoffs. Meanwhile Harden alone is a 50 win season... Add kyrie and you get a contender. So you're comparing lotto to contender here.

[NBAGOAT]

similar to your other post. No they're not close on offense because of spacing even though kd is a better offensive player than ad. Schroder as a 2nd option is just not idea. You also make the same mistake as people do with bkn assuming drummond is useful

[mehyaM24]

lakers have a mediocre offense, which is backed by their #20 ranking. you remove AD and they only get worse. with or without kd, though, brooklyn has an elite one - more or less a prerequisite in today's game.

the nets would be favored just like they are now, as currently constructed.

[Bronbron23]

lakers have a mediocre offense, which is backed by their #20 ranking. you remove AD and they only get worse. with or without kd, though, brooklyn has an elite one - more or less a prerequisite in today's game.

the nets would be favored just like they are now, as currently constructed.

So we're just ignoring lakers huge advantage defensively?

[mehyaM24]

So we're just ignoring lakers huge advantage defensively?

since the merger, no champion has had as BAD of an offense. so ya i'm going to ignore defense, especially in a offensive friendly league.

[Bronbron23]

since the merger, no champion has had as BAD of an offense. so ya i'm going to ignore defense, especially in a offensive friendly league.

I could say the same with nets bottom of the league defense. Difference being if course lakers have the potential to be a top ten offense. Nets can't get any better defensively.

[3ball]

The Lakers are just younger/better - for example, a guy like Kuzma is probably better than Blake at this point in Blake's career..

[999Guy]

Lakers in a pitiful 5, maybe 6 game series.


What a perspective because AD is better than Durant as far as I’m concerned.

I cannot wait for the playoffs.

[Bronbron23]

Lakers in a pitiful 5, maybe 6 game series.


What a perspective because AD is better than Durant as far as I’m concerned.

I cannot wait for the playoffs.

He is now yeah. Kd is 32 coming off an Achilles. That's the problem though everyone is looking at kd like he's the same kd. He's barely been able to stay on the court this year. They're doing the same with blake and Aldridge. At this point in their careers I'm taking Harrell and Drummond over blake and Aldridge all day and it isn't close.

[mehyaM24]

I could say the same with nets bottom of the league defense. Difference being if course lakers have the potential to be a top ten offense. Nets can't get any better defensively.

no, you actually couldn't. the 01 lakers were ranked similar to brooklyn and won a title. scraping bottom of the barrel here, but it was done more recent.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

a lot of defense is effort based, so you're wrong there too.

[SouBeachTalents]

KD, when he's played that is, has definitely been better than AD this season, who's having a much worse season than he did last year. But that's why it's pointless making all these Nets/Lakers comparisons, because truth be told I have absolutely no idea how these teams are gonna look come playoff time. The Nets have legitimately barely even played together, and LeBron & AD have missed significant time with injuries. Factor in another strange covid postseason, there's just way too many factors at play to know what's going to happen in a few months.

I'm gonna laugh though if the Clippers or some darkhorse ends up winning the title after ALL the focus that's been put on these two teams :lol There's kind of a funny trend in the NBA where the very hyped up team ('04 Lakers, '11 Heat, '13 Lakers, '16 Warriors, '20 Clippers) doesn't win the title

[mehyaM24]

KD, when he's played that is, has definitely been better than AD this season, who's having a much worse season than he did last year. But that's why it's pointless making all these Nets/Lakers comparisons, because truth be told I have absolutely no idea how these teams are gonna look come playoff time. The Nets have legitimately barely even played together, and LeBron & AD have missed significant time with injuries. Factor in another strange covid postseason, there's just way too many factors at play to know what's gonna happen in a few months.

I'm gonna laugh though if the Clippers or some darkhorse end up winning the title after ALL the focus put on these two teams :lol There's kind of a funny trend in the NBA where the very hyped up team ('04 Lakers, '11 Heat, '13 Lakers, '16 Warriors, '20 Clippers) tends not to win

ya good point. the clips are the real sleeper imo. one of few elite teams with a top 10 offense and defense (#1 in ortg). long as they don't face that 7 foot michelin man over in denver, they can definitely go the distance. wouldn't bet on them, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

[Bronbron23]

no, you actually couldn't. the 01 lakers were ranked similar to brooklyn and won a title. scraping bottom of the barrel here, but it was done more recent.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2001.html

a lot of defense is effort based, so you're wrong there too.

Not a great example dude. It just highlights my point if anything. That lakers team had one of the worst defenses in the reg season but they had one of the best in the post season. Opponent's scored an average of 90 points against the lakers that post season. That was 3rd best overall. Nets won't be able to do this. It's not just an issue of effoet with them like 01 lakers. They Just flat out can't defend. They got rid of there best defenders.

[mehyaM24]

Not a great example dude. It just highlights my point if anything. That lakers team had one of the worst defenses in the reg season but they had one of the best in the post season. Opponent's scored an average of 90 points against the lakers that post season. That was 3rd best overall. Nets won't be able to do this. It's not just an issue of effoet with them like 01 lakers. They Just flat out can't defend. They got rid of there best defenders.

we aren't in the playoffs yet so your "point" is tbd. in other words irrelevant right now. going by what WE KNOW so far though? the last team to win a title with BAD rs defense were the 01 lakers. last to win with a BAD offense played before the merger. the model i gave is more consistent.

[Bronbron23]

we aren't in the playoffs yet so your "point" is tbd. in other words irrelevant right now. going by what WE KNOW so far though? the last team to win a title with BAD rs defense were the 01 lakers. last to win with a BAD offense played before the merger. the model i gave is more consistent.

Yeah It is until it isn't and sometimes you just have to use common sense. Nets don't have the defenders to pick it up defensively like the lakers did so it's an easy call to say they won't. There's literally zero chance harden, kyrie achillies kd, and beyond prime Aldridge and blake or jordan are gonna lock teams down. On the flip side lakers definitely have the offensive pieces to pick it up offensively. Plus bron has historically coasted in the reg season and then goes nuclear in the post season so it's a pretty safe bet to say they'll pick it up come playoffs.

See Yall are to offensive driven. I get it's a different day and defense isn't what it used to be but it's not as bad deep in the playoffs where refs let way more go. Shit just look at the 18 warriors. Rockets almost beat them with their defense. In the 3 games they won they held warriors to an average of 97 points. Lakers will do the same to the nets. Nets are gonna have some off shooting days. That's the main difference. Lakers can be off offensively and still win with their defense. Nets can't do that. If they aint hitting ain't no way there winning. Again time will tell. Smart money will be on lakers though. I know mine will.

[KirbyPls]

KD has been relatively meaningless to the Nets' success this season, and Brooklyn remains the biggest favorite since the 2017 Warriors, regardless of KD's presence on the court.

That's your answer.

[mehyaM24]

Yeah It is until it isn't and sometimes you just have to use common sense. Nets don't have the defenders to pick it up defensively like the lakers did so it's an easy call to say they won't. There's literally zero chance harden, kyrie achillies kd, and beyond prime Aldridge and blake or jordan are gonna lock teams down. On the flip side lakers definitely have the offensive pieces to pick it up offensively. Plus bron has historically coasted in the reg season and then goes nuclear in the post season so it's a pretty safe bet to say they'll pick it up come playoffs.

See Yall are to offensive driven. I get it's a different day and defense isn't what it used to be but it's not as bad deep in the playoffs where refs let way more go. Shit just look at the 18 warriors. Rockets almost beat them with their defense. In the 3 games they won they held warriors to an average of 97 points. Lakers will do the same to the nets. Nets are gonna have some off shooting days. That's the main difference. Lakers can be off offensively and still win with their defense. Nets can't do that. If they aint hitting ain't no way there winning. Again time will tell. Smart money will be on lakers though. I know mine will.

durant is a funny mention. before the stretch of games he sat, he was playing as good pre achilles. we also know that in gsw he was a VERY good defender. jordan has shown he can play defense too. ditto with harden whose made big strides over the last few years. to claim "theres literally zero chance" either pick it up on defense is simply ignorant. baseless too. again most defense is effort based compared to offense - which is mainly skill dependent. the lakers lack shooters and dont magically get better under your "without" ad scenario.

offense is what drives the league now. historically though teams with a BAD offense dont ring.

[Manny98]

Lakers just don't have the offensive firepower to hang with the Nets over a seven game series

[TheCorporation]

Le Goat

https://i.postimg.cc/bJvdb7D9/Le-Four-Time.jpg

[Axe]

It's always kong who will take over

[StrongLurk]

Lol what OP? Nets will obviously win still.

I can't believe you are actually focusing on defense in the 2021 version of the NBA.

Spacing/Shooting > Defense.

[Bronbron23]

durant is a funny mention. before the stretch of games he sat, he was playing as good pre achilles. we also know that in gsw he was a VERY good defender. jordan has shown he can play defense too. ditto with harden whose made big strides over the last few years. to claim "theres literally zero chance" either pick it up on defense is simply ignorant. baseless too. again most defense is effort based compared to offense - which is mainly skill dependent. the lakers lack shooters and dont magically get better under your "without" ad scenario.

offense is what drives the league now. historically though teams with a BAD offense dont ring.

Well i'm basing the kd point on him not being healthy and consistently available. If he's healthy it's obviously a different story. As far a his defense is concerned he's great when he's healthy and available but again i question if that will be the case. As far as harden and jordan well jordan is clearly a shell of himself on both ends. I don't know what your talking about there. Harden has shown flashes of above average defense but it hasn't been consistent. Again i don't see an historically lazy defender, a washed up defender and an injured one being much of a threat defensively come playoffs but i can't hate u for dreaming.

And great defense isn't just effort related. Yeah it obviously plays a part but so does natural talent like anticipation and reaction time. There are lots of guys who try hard defensively but just aren't good. Steph is a good example.

Plus kyrie and harden up until this point haven't taken defense all that serious so not sure why they'll all of a sudden start now. All things considered it's a pretty safe bet to say they'll still be trash defensively once playoffs come.

[Full Court]

ya good point. the clips are the real sleeper imo. one of few elite teams with a top 10 offense and defense (#1 in ortg). long as they don't face that 7 foot michelin man over in denver, they can definitely go the distance. wouldn't bet on them, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

The Clippers aren't the only dark horse this year. I think the Sixers and the Jazz also have a very real chance at the title. Maybe even the Suns.

[mehyaM24]

The Clippers aren't the only dark horse this year. I think the Sixers and the Jazz also have a very real chance at the title. Maybe even the Suns.

probably not, but their #1 offense certainly doesn't hurt them.

[mehyaM24]

Lol what OP? Nets will obviously win still.

I can't believe you are actually focusing on defense in the 2021 version of the NBA.

Spacing/Shooting > Defense.

ya strange take. defense obviously matters, but he missed the 2021 boat.


Well i'm basing the kd point on him not being healthy and consistently available. If he's healthy it's obviously a different story. As far a his defense is concerned he's great when he's healthy and available but again i question if that will be the case. As far as harden and jordan well jordan is clearly a shell of himself on both ends. I don't know what your talking about there. Harden has shown flashes of above average defense but it hasn't been consistent. Again i don't see an historically lazy defender, a washed up defender and an injured one being much of a threat defensively come playoffs but i can't hate u for dreaming.

And great defense isn't just effort related. Yeah it obviously plays a part but so does natural talent like anticipation and reaction time. There are lots of guys who try hard defensively but just aren't good. Steph is a good example.

Plus kyrie and harden up until this point haven't taken defense all that serious so not sure why they'll all of a sudden start now. All things considered it's a pretty safe bet to say they'll still be trash defensively once playoffs come.

durant is already healthy though. right now he's playing back into game shape, but will be at full strength soon enough. closer to the playoffs, there is no reason to think he wont rev it up defensively. everything simply trends toward that direction. same with harden who you should know by now plays better defense. the mark on him was different in the past, but he's clearly progressed. with deandre ya he is past his prime but can still play defense in a limited role. did it not too long ago so why you think he cant now is a mystery.

you also misread my bit on team defense. i didn't say it was ALL effort. what i said is it'll come down more to "effort" than offense will. brooklyn is just more likely to play better defense than la gets better at shooting. you been playing too many video games, but someone whose actually hooped knows this shit is common sense. '

with everything accounted for, brooklyn is still the vegas favorite. betting against them is like throwing your money away.

[aj1987]

The Lakers without AD had more help in 2019 than they'd have without him today, and they couldn't even make the playoffs. Meanwhile Harden alone is a 50 win season... Add kyrie and you get a contender. So you're comparing lotto to contender here.

During his 2018 MVP season, the Rockets were 6-4 in the 10 games that Harden missed. That's a 49 win pace WITHOUT Harden.

Meanwhile, the Lakers were 9-18 in the 27 games LeBron missed in the 2019 season. That's a 27 win games without LeBron.

That young core with another #1 seed and a "generational" player in Zion are struggling to get over .500.

[ArbitraryWater]

Well the Lakers cause of LeBron...

but take LeBron and KD out and the Nets crush them.

Get it, OP?

[HoopsNY]

since the merger, no champion has had as BAD of an offense. so ya i'm going to ignore defense, especially in a offensive friendly league.

Yea but no team has had as bad a defense as the Nets and won it all. The Lakers are 20th this year with LeBron missing 13 games and AD missing 31.

With the both of them, they're probably top 5. But without AD, maybe top 15. The Pistons were the 18th ranked offense in 2004 and won the title. And LAL is the #1 defense this year to this point, despite their best defenders missing significant time.

I don't trust Harden in big spots. With Drummond-Harrell-Schroder, I think those 3 combined would be enough to offset any needed scoring, in addition to LeBron putting up 25-30.

[Bronbron23]

ya strange take. defense obviously matters, but he missed the 2021 boat.



durant is already healthy though. right now he's playing back into game shape, but will be at full strength soon enough. closer to the playoffs, there is no reason to think he wont rev it up defensively. everything simply trends toward that direction. same with harden who you should know by now plays better defense. the mark on him was different in the past, but he's clearly progressed. with deandre ya he is past his prime but can still play defense in a limited role. did it not too long ago so why you think he cant now is a mystery.

you also misread my bit on team defense. i didn't say it was ALL effort. what i said is it'll come down more to "effort" than offense will. brooklyn is just more likely to play better defense than la gets better at shooting. you been playing too many video games, but someone whose actually hooped knows this shit is common sense. '

with everything accounted for, brooklyn is still the vegas favorite. betting against them is like throwing your money away.

Well we can both post our bets come finals time. We'll see who will be throwing their money away. Time we tell

[Bronbron23]

Well the Lakers cause of LeBron...

but take LeBron and KD out and the Nets crush them.

Get it, OP?

Like they got crushed the other day with bron and kd out?

[HoopsNY]

Not a great example dude. It just highlights my point if anything. That lakers team had one of the worst defenses in the reg season but they had one of the best in the post season. Opponent's scored an average of 90 points against the lakers that post season. That was 3rd best overall. Nets won't be able to do this. It's not just an issue of effoet with them like 01 lakers. They Just flat out can't defend. They got rid of there best defenders.

Yea, added to the fact that their best perimeter defenders were hurt that year. Fisher missed 62 games, Harper 35, and Kobe missed 14 games. Shaq missed 8 games himself that year.

2001 was an anomaly. The 2000 Lakers were 1st in DRTG. Harper and Fisher were both healthy, and Shaq played in an additional 5 games. 2001 was the season where Shaq had a lot of problems with his toe if I'm not mistaken. So even when he was playing, he was hurt.

In 2002, the Lakers were 7th in DRTG. So I wouldn't rely on 2001 at all.

[Bronbron23]

Yea, added to the fact that their best perimeter defenders were hurt that year. Fisher missed 62 games, Harper 35, and Kobe missed 14 games. Shaq missed 8 games himself that year.

2001 was an anomaly. The 2000 Lakers were 1st in DRTG. Harper and Fisher were both healthy, and Shaq played in an additional 5 games. 2001 was the season where Shaq had a lot of problems with his toe if I'm not mistaken. So even when he was playing, he was hurt.

In 2002, the Lakers were 7th in DRTG. So I wouldn't rely on 2001 at all.

Yeah that lakers team was clearly way better defensively than this nets squad. The stats don't tell the whole story

[mehyaM24]

Yea but no team has had as bad a defense as the Nets and won it all. The Lakers are 20th this year with LeBron missing 13 games and AD missing 31.

fair point. the nets haven't played at full strength either though.

i'm simply of the mindset brooklyn will have an "easier time" upping their defense than la will shooting. we saw the games durant played in before sitting out. with him on the court, brooklyn were on pace to have the greatest offense all time. in today's climate that is premium.


Well we can both post our bets come finals time. We'll see who will be throwing their money away. Time we tell.

i'm not a degenerate gambler. will post my picks whenever you are ready though.

[Bronbron23]

fair point. the nets haven't played at full strength either though.

i'm simply of the mindset brooklyn will have an "easier time" upping their defense than la will shooting. we saw the games durant played in before sitting out. with him on the court, brooklyn were on pace to have the greatest offense all time. in today's climate that is premium.



i'm not a degenerate gambler. will post my picks whenever you are ready though.

Dosnt have to be crazy dude lol. Plus there's good money in gambling on ball if your patient and wait for great opportunities like this one. We can definitely do picks though it's all good.

[LAmbruh]

Lebron pulls off the miracle upset in both regardless, GOAT factor

[Bronbron23]

Lebron pulls off the miracle upset in both regardless, GOAT factor

Miracle upset? These bron stans are pathetic. If you actually had faith in bron you wouldn't consider it a Miracle upset.

[aj1987]

Miracle upset? These bron stans are pathetic. If you actually had faith in bron you wouldn't consider it a Miracle upset.

You do realize that the Nets have another MVP, other than KD, in Harden and a legit great player in Kyrie, right? Lakers would be LeBron and role players.

Replace Kyrie/Harden with LeBron and you'd be calling that team the most stacked team of all time.


Yea but no team has had as bad a defense as the Nets and won it all. The Lakers are 20th this year with LeBron missing 13 games and AD missing 31.

With the both of them, they're probably top 5. But without AD, maybe top 15. The Pistons were the 18th ranked offense in 2004 and won the title. And LAL is the #1 defense this year to this point, despite their best defenders missing significant time.

I don't trust Harden in big spots. With Drummond-Harrell-Schroder, I think those 3 combined would be enough to offset any needed scoring, in addition to LeBron putting up 25-30.

The Lakers were 11th offensively with a healthy AD and LeBron last season. Even this season, when both of them were healthy, they were ~15th offensively.

[light]

Bron
Schroder
Drummond
Harrell
Kuzma
Tucker
Pope
Caruso
Morris

Harden
Kyrie
Aldridge
Blake
Harris
Jordan
Green
Claxton
Brown

In a 7 game finals series?

Lakers have the clear advantage defensively. It's not even close. Offensively it's close but i'd give a slight advantage to nets. The mistake people are making is thinking Aldridge and especially blake are there prime all star selves. They're both shells of themselves offensively and are still pretty bad defensively.

Looking at these rosters lakers are clearly better built for the post season.

LOL

The team with LeBron wins, silly.

[Bronbron23]

You do realize that the Nets have another MVP, other than KD, in Harden and a legit great player in Kyrie, right? Lakers would be LeBron and role players.

Replace Kyrie/Harden with LeBron and you'd be calling that team the most stacked team of all time.



The Lakers were 11th offensively with a healthy AD and LeBron last season. Even this season, when both of them were healthy, they were ~15th offensively.

We've seen lebron take lesser roll players all the way before but there's been a few former mvp/great player combos not succeed. Most recently we saw kawhi and george

Lebron is tried and proven. Harden and kyrie without bron is not. Im taken bron all day and so would every gm ever.

[aj1987]

We've seen lebron take lesser roll players all the way before but there's been a few former mvp/great player combos not succeed. Most recently we saw kawhi and george

Lebron is tried and proven. Harden and kyrie without bron is not. Im taken bron all day and so would every gm ever.

LeBron is also 36 and in his 18th season with a ton of new pieces around him. On a team which sucks at shooting 3's.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron is also 36 and in his 18th season with a ton of new pieces around him. On a team which sucks at shooting 3's.

Yeah usually i'd say the age thing could be an issue but up until this point it doesn't seem it is with him.

And yeah they're one of the worst 3 point shooting teams but they were one of the worst last year to and it didn't seem to matter.

And yeah new pieces can be an issue but the nets have the same issue probably even more so, so not sure how that hurts lakers anymore than the nets.

[kawhileonard2]

LOL

The team with LeBron wins, silly.

Dude couldn't even beat Dwight Howard nor could he beat Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.

[Axe]

Yeah usually i'd say the age thing could be an issue but up until this point it doesn't seem it is with him.

And yeah they're one of the worst 3 point shooting teams but they were one of the worst last year to and it didn't seem to matter.

And yeah new pieces can be an issue but the nets have the same issue probably even more so, so not sure how that hurts lakers anymore than the nets.
And on top of that, the nets have an unproven coach too. I mean this is just the first time we get to see how far can rookie coach steve nash lead his stacked team in the playoffs. This is what others fail to see today. Just because they are 'stacked' doesn't mean they have no chances of losing later on.

Also i lol'd @ your use of yeah three times ;)

[Bronbron23]

And on top of that, the nets have an unproven coach too. I mean this is just the first time we get to see how far can rookie coach steve nash lead his stacked team in the playoffs. This is what others fail to see today. Just because they are 'stacked' doesn't mean they have no chances of losing later on.

Also i lol'd @ your use of yeah three times ;)

Yeah man forgot about the nash factor and i definitely overused the yeah lol

[Axe]

Yeah man forgot about the nash factor and i definitely overused the yeah lol
:cheers:

Otoh, many of these bran stans are still not grateful and happy that vogel was able to lead bran and their team to a ring in the former's first year at head coaching in the so-called wild wild west.

[warriorfan]

Trick question. With no AD bron doesn’t even make playoffs and never faces them.

[kawhileonard2]

Trick question. With no AD bron doesn’t even make playoffs and never faces them.

This! We saw this already in 2019.

[Bronbron23]

This! We saw this already in 2019.

Ok trolls

[aj1987]

Yeah usually i'd say the age thing could be an issue but up until this point it doesn't seem it is with him.

And yeah they're one of the worst 3 point shooting teams but they were one of the worst last year to and it didn't seem to matter.

And yeah new pieces can be an issue but the nets have the same issue probably even more so, so not sure how that hurts lakers anymore than the nets.

New role players do not really matter when you have 3 legit MVP candidates on the team.

Again, if you remove AD, the Lakers are LeBron and role players. The Nets still have Harden/Irving.

[noonereal]

Bron
Schroder
Drummond
Harrell
Kuzma
Tucker
Pope
Caruso
Morris

Harden
Kyrie
Aldridge
Blake
Harris
Jordan
Green
Claxton
Brown

In a 7 game finals series?

Lakers have the clear advantage defensively. It's not even close. Offensively it's close but i'd give a slight advantage to nets. The mistake people are making is thinking Aldridge and especially blake are there prime all star selves. They're both shells of themselves offensively and are still pretty bad defensively.

Looking at these rosters lakers are clearly better built for the post season.

Net's win and it's not close.
Not sure what you are looking at but I am looking at how they play, not some imaginary "built for post season" whatever that means.

[Bronbron23]

New role players do not really matter when you have 3 legit MVP candidates on the team.

Again, if you remove AD, the Lakers are LeBron and role players. The Nets still have Harden/Irving.

Not sure irving has ever been a mvp candidate but maybe i'm wrong. Funny thing is barely anyone wanted him or harden just 6 months ago.

And i get it would be bron and role players vs kyrie/harden and roll players but brons role players are significantly better. Overall they're a bit better offensively and defensively they're significantly better. So with all that plus the fact that bron is one of the greatest players and champions ever i just think lakers would be better. Especially deep in the playoffs.