How can anyone not respect Curry?

[Walk on Water]

I don’t get it. Another 10 3 pointers made. Heck Curry even swished a one hand underarmed 3 at the end of the game for fun. The guy is a wizard. He’s even driving to the hoop and using muscle and coordination. He works hard at honing his craft.

What more do you want him to do? Not enough 3s? He’s doing things that aren’t even supposed to be possible.

[Spurs m8]

I hate his celebrations but I respect LeBrons daddy, chef dingo

[TheGoatest]

Curry is a non-Finals MVP winning choker who doesn't play defense and couldn't average 7 assists in 3 seasons while playing with Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson.

Also, I have the highest respect imaginable for Curry and couldn't dream of saying anything even remotely negative about Curry himself. It's only his stans that I dislike.

[TheGoatest]

Remember that time when this choking bytch was trying to hit a half-court 3 in honor of the recently deceased Craig Sager and was bricking one attempt after another:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFvPZ7OBH9Y

One of the cringiest moments I've ever seen on live television. And it belongs to Wardell Cuckrry. :roll:

Again, nothing but the HIGHEST respect for Curry himself from me. I only hate his stans.

[LAL]

^Yikes

Looks like the best player in the game, forgot how good he was honestly, it's crazy. I don't know about mvp criterias but the best players are Steph, KD, Kawhi and then maybe Embid/Jokic for this season instead of AD.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Second best player of this era after LeBron. Better than Durant.

[TheGoatest]

Second best player of this era after LeBron. Better than Durant.

He is not better than Durant. He had two finals series to prove it and was clearly behind Durant both times.

Durant came to join a team that was built around Curry and you could argue that Curry was more valuable to those Warriors teams, but in a vacuum he is definitely not better than Durant.

1. LeBron

Huge gap

2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Kawhi

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He is not better than Durant. He had two finals series to prove it and was clearly behind Durant both times.

Durant came to join a team that was built around Curry and you could argue that Curry was more valuable to those Warriors teams, but in a vacuum he is definitely not better than Durant.

1. LeBron

Huge gap

2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Kawhi

I thought he deserved finals MVP in 2015 (if we can't give it to LeBron in a losing effort) and 2018. Besides his impact doesn't always show up in raw numbers where as Durant's generally does. I'd rather have Curry, even in a vacuum.

Let us also not forget that when Durant went down in 2019 Curry still got them to the finals. And if Klay stays healthy they may well have won that series.

[TheGoatest]

I thought he deserved finals MVP in 2015 (if we can't give it to LeBron in a losing effort) and 2018. Besides his impact doesn't always show up in raw numbers where as Durant's generally does. I'd rather have Curry, even in a vacuum.

Let us also not forget that when Durant went down in 2019 Curry still got them to the finals. And if Klay stays healthy they may well have won that series.

He got outplayed by d-leaguer Matthew Dellavedova in two straight finals losses. In game 2 he was shut down defensively, and in game 3 Dellavedova dropped what is still his career high (regular season or playoffs) 20 points on him. That cost him the Finals MVP, and deservedly so.

And you're right about impact not showing up in numbers. On the defensive end, that is. Becuase some might get fooled into thinking that him leading the league in steals makes him a great defender, but he's not even a good one. Durant meanwhile is a very good defender. Or was, at least. Not quite all-defense team material, but just below that level.

[tpols]

Chef is basketball perfection no doubt. Pure unfiltered basketball skill.

[tpols]

I hate his celebrations but I respect LeBrons daddy, chef dingo

:oldlol:

True that.

[hold this L]

I hate his celebrations but I respect LeBrons daddy, chef dingo

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/5b/50/655b50f0b080de777b96803cf1434092.gif

[light]

He's the greatest three point shooter of all time and the 2nd guy is not even close.

Unfortunately that's his only dimension. If he only makes 1 three he's only going to score 10 points.

[clipps]

Because he's a little p*ssy bitch, just like OP.

[Airupthere]

I respect the game but i dont care much for his antics.

[StrongLurk]

OP is total shit but idk how the Curry haters don't get tired of looking stupid.

To me, Curry is the greatest "small" player of all time. Absolutely uber-skilled with freak shooting talents.

Curry is the best player ever if he had even just Kobe's size/athleticism.

[Clifton]

What more do you want him to do? Not enough 3s? He’s doing things that aren’t even supposed to be possible.
He has this going against him: consecutive MVPs, one of them unanimous (which has never happened before or since)

To have something on one's resume that overstates his actual ability means to have a target on one's back. It just does. Shaq hated Nash, Lebron hates Curry. Fans depending on their loyalties may feel similarly. Way of the world.

Curry's the third-best player of this decade. I don't think he's better than Durant. You could make a case, though. It would have to center around what Curry brings as a teammate and culture-setter (which of course, Durant famously brings nothing). But Durant's size makes it easier for him to dominate on both ends, and he's a greatly superior player in the 4th quarter in halfcourt situations.

[clipps]

OP is total shit but idk how the Curry haters don't get tired of looking stupid.

To me, Curry is the greatest "small" player of all time. Absolutely uber-skilled with freak shooting talents.

Curry is the best player ever if he had even just Kobe's size/athleticism.

Why don't you just suck his p*nis or something, fakket.

[dawsey6]

The pantheon of the greatest of the greats have historically either big men or "tough" players. Curry comes in the league 6-3 w/ shoes, not that athletic and smiles all the time, and is probably still a virgin despite having three kids. Signature shoe is Under Armor, which is the basketball cultural equivalent of overalls, to support his weak ankles.

Basically, he's not cool. Yet, he's one of the greatest players to lace em up, and he's a lowkey disrespectful competitor. Much respect to Chef.

[Hey Yo]

I don’t get it. Another 10 3 pointers made. Heck Curry even swished a one hand underarmed 3 at the end of the game for fun. The guy is a wizard. He’s even driving to the hoop and using muscle and coordination. He works hard at honing his craft.

What more do you want him to do? Not enough 3s? He’s doing things that aren’t even supposed to be possible.
He's doing exactly what 3pt specialists are expected do.

No big secret.

[Jasper]

like I said before the season started --- the warriors season is fvcked ....
but they can feed Curry to a SCORING TITLE

[tontoz]

He's the greatest three point shooter of all time and the 2nd guy is not even close.

Unfortunately that's his only dimension. If he only makes 1 three he's only going to score 10 points.


Uhh... he is currently averaging 10 ppg from the field just on 2s, shooting 56%. Let's not forget that he also shoots 93% from the foul line.

[Bronbron23]

I don’t get it. Another 10 3 pointers made. Heck Curry even swished a one hand underarmed 3 at the end of the game for fun. The guy is a wizard. He’s even driving to the hoop and using muscle and coordination. He works hard at honing his craft.

What more do you want him to do? Not enough 3s? He’s doing things that aren’t even supposed to be possible.

Few things. I don't think most people actually have a problem with steph it's mostly a problem with his stans who go to far with how great he is. If they just let him be what he is it be fine but they say dumb shit like he's the best scorer ever or he's better than lebron.

The only thing i can see people having a problem with is his antics. Their almost par for the course for this generation but they're definitely a little bitch like and over the top. The old additive of "act like you done it before" is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Other than that curry is obviously a great player and seems like a legit good dude. If his stans weren't so delusional and annoying and curry didn't celebrate like a little school girl i could definitely like him more

[StrongLurk]

Uhh... he is currently averaging 10 ppg from the field just on 2s, shooting 56%. Let's not forget that he also shoots 93% from the foul line.

It's hilarious how many people still try to saw all Steph does is shoot threes.

Those people are either Steph haters are just retarded...usually both go hand in hand.,

[tontoz]

As a side note Steph is also a very good golfer. A few years ago he played in a Korn Ferry tour event (the minor league of the PGA Tour) on a sponsors exemption. Some golf "purists" said he didn't belong, was stealing someone's spot (which is nonsense, the sponsors have 2 spots to invite whoever they want) and that he would shoot 85-90.

Steph shot two rounds of 74 in front of the biggest galleries on the course. :rockon:

[Gohan]

Steph is indeed a better player than lebron an in unbiased

[8Ball]

I don’t get it. Another 10 3 pointers made. Heck Curry even swished a one hand underarmed 3 at the end of the game for fun. The guy is a wizard. He’s even driving to the hoop and using muscle and coordination. He works hard at honing his craft.

What more do you want him to do? Not enough 3s? He’s doing things that aren’t even supposed to be possible.

Play defence.

[Gohan]

Play defence.

Wtf is a defense? Real nikkas don’t play that sh1t. My nikka curry on some bomb first sh1t. “Shoot first they get they head burst bleeding”

[dawsey6]

It's hilarious how many people still try to saw all Steph does is shoot threes.

Those people are either Steph haters are just retarded...usually both go hand in hand.,

The comedy of it is that Steph and the Dubs helped set the "3's and layups" trend in motion because the league was trying to follow them, but he never quite followed it. He always had an amazing mid-range game as well as will use it when the defense gives it to him.

[Hey Yo]

The comedy of it is that Steph and the Dubs helped set the "3's and layups" trend in motion because the league was trying to follow them, but he never quite followed it. He always had an amazing mid-range game as well as will use it when the defense gives it to him.
Only 7% of his career shots are from mid-range (10-16ft) It may not be true mid-range but that's the data we have to go by.

I think that's too low of a percentage to get true gauge of his mid-range after 11yrs in the league. People say he's thr greatest shooter of all time, but I just don't see enough array of shots inside the arc to give him that title. I think KD or even Kyrie is an all around better shooter when it comes to anywhere inside 28 feet, to finishing at the rim.

[Axe]

Out of atgs that have played since the last decade, only curry has had a distinct award out of them all. The nickelodeon kids choice award to be specific.

[Stephonit]

Curry is an original and many people cannot figure him out. He doesn't fit the preconceived molds of what is possible. That's why there are people who say things like they have a hard time ranking him. Why should Curry be hard to rank? He does things no one else has ever done.

That also makes him very scary to the high priests of the current regime. Curry has the potential to displace Jordan and the billions of dollars that have been milked from his legacy. There are powerful vested interests at work that would like nothing more than to see Curry stumble. That's why they are working overtime to prop up the inferior player and convince the gullible that the inferior player is as good as they say he is.

[PeroAntic]

Hes a lightweight weakling that invited another superstar on his team and handed him the keys right away. Hasnt reached his regular season heights in the playoffs and thats a huge mark on his career. Not a fan of his game either, and how he 'revolutionized' the game by turning it into a chucking contest. I can see how kids like him, but I can also see how many dont

[Stephonit]

Hes a lightweight weakling that invited another superstar on his team and handed him the keys right away. Hasnt reached his regular season heights in the playoffs and thats a huge mark on his career. Not a fan of his game either, and how he 'revolutionized' the game by turning it into a chucking contest. I can see how kids like him, but I can also see how many dont

This highlights another key difference. It's not just Curry's play that is different. The overall tone and style of Curry is different from the established Jordan model. Philosophically and culturally Curry would represent a massive shift from individual abrasiveness to team harmony. That makes many people very uncomfortable.

[warriorfan]

This highlights another key difference. It's not just Curry's play that is different. The overall tone and style of Curry is different from the established Jordan model. Philosophically and culturally Curry would represent a massive shift from individual abrasiveness to team harmony. There are many people uncomfortable with that.

He changed the game. Some people really don’t like it.

[PeroAntic]

This highlights another key difference. It's not just Curry's play that is different. The overall tone and style of Curry is different from the established Jordan model. Philosophically and culturally Curry would represent a massive shift from individual abrasiveness to team harmony. That makes many people very uncomfortable.

Yet we are still asked to judge Curry's individual legacy. you can't have it both ways Curry stans. if he performed in the playoffs the way he did in the rs it would have been a different story, until then his revolution is nothing but an unsustainable regular season hoople which made the game unwatchable until they switch it back in the playoffs.

[Stephonit]

Yet we are still asked to judge Curry's individual legacy. you can't have it both ways Curry stans. if he performed in the playoffs the way he did in the rs it would have been a different story, until then his revolution is nothing but an unsustainable regular season hoople which made the game unwatchable until they switch it back in the playoffs.

Clearly you're still hoping it is unsustainable, but Pandora's box has been opened.

As for Curry's performance, he had the best 5 consecutive years in any NBA career in the modern era. Who else had 5 years which saw three 67+ win seasons, a regular season record, a playoffs record, and the creation of the best team of all-time? Any contenders are top 3 players. But media would have people believe Lillard is better than Curry. That is as ridiculous as claiming DeRozan is better than the inferior player, but it appears there are many people who can easily be duped.

[Bronbron23]

He changed the game. Some people really don’t like it.

Except he didn't. This is common lie told by curry stans. Daryl morey and the rockets changed the game. Steph and the warriors just made it popular. This is undeniable fact btw. All you have to do is look at team 3 pt attempts since morey joined the rockets. Rockets led thw league in 3 pt attempts since that.

[tontoz]

For his career Curry is averaging 26.5 ppg with a TS of 61% in the playoffs. How many guards in league history have scored that many ppg with a TS over 60%?

MJ scored more points but with lower efficiency. Harden has higher ppg only if you exclude the OKC years, also with lower efficiency. Kobe had the same PPG with much lower efficiency.

[highwhey]

Except he didn't. This is common lie told by curry stans. Daryl morey and the rockets changed the game. Steph and the warriors just made it popular. This is undeniable fact btw. All you have to do is look at team 3 pt attempts since morey joined the rockets. Rockets led thw league in 3 pt attempts since that.

ahckchually

kerr and dantoni did since they laid down the groundwork in phoenix

[Bronbron23]

For his career Curry is averaging 26.5 ppg with a TS of 61% in the playoffs. How many guards in league history have scored that many ppg with a TS over 60%?

MJ scored more points but with lower efficiency. Harden has higher ppg only if you exclude the OKC years, also with lower efficiency. Kobe had the same PPG with much lower efficiency.

Ts isn't a good measure. It uses free throws dude. You can be mediocre from the field but a beast from the line and your ts will be good.

And mj scored significantly more points in the post season and more specifically the finals where he's also more efficient than steph.

Oh and guys like mj, bron and kobe did this while being elite on the other side of the ball. Not sure if you played competitively but offense is much tougher when your giving it your all on the other end.

I'll give you harden though. I'd take steph over harden any day.

[Bronbron23]

ahckchually

kerr and dantoni did since they laid down the groundwork in phoenix

Nah phx and the top 3 point shooting teams stayed in between 20-25 forever until morey came to houston with his theory of why analytics shows why 3's are better than 2's. Especially mid and long range 2's. There was all kinds of debate about this at the time. From that point 3's jumped significantly and the rockets lead the charge. Warriors as well as every other team followed suit and the warriors with the best shooters ever obviously did it better than anyone. So steph and Warriors definitely popularized it with the media and fans but they in no way started it and changed the game. That was morey and partly D'antoni. Not as sexy i know but it's facts.

If anything steph will change the game for the worse because all these young kids watching are gonna try to copy steph by taking bad shots and and playing little defense. It works for steph because he's a freak shooter and has good defenders around him to pick up his slack but his style of play won't work for many others.

[Stephonit]

Ts isn't a good measure. It uses free throws dude. You can be mediocre from the field but a beast from the line and your ts will be good.

And mj scored significantly more points in the post season and more specifically the finals where he's also more efficient than steph.

Can you show the numbers?



Nah phx and the top 3 point shooting teams stayed in between 20-25 forever until morey came to houston with his theory of why analytics shows why 3's are better than 2's. Especially mid and long range 2's. There was all kinds of debate about this at the time. From that point 3's jumped significantly and the rockets lead the charge. Warriors as well as every other team followed suit and the warriors with the best shooters ever obviously did it better than anyone. So steph and Warriors definitely popularized it with the media and fans but they in no way started it and changed the game. That was morey and partly D'antoni. Not as sexy i know but it's facts.


Morey with the Rockets was basically tinkering with the ideas in Phoenix. He did not go all-in until AFTER the Warriors won. Indeed it was only after the 2016 Warriors 73-win season. Dwight Howard was still on the Rockets in 2016 and Kevin McHale was their coach at the start of the 2017 season. I remember the D'Antoni hire being met with deep skepticism on the internet message boards.

But maybe you can convince people who weren't paying attention.

[Axe]

ahckchually

kerr and dantoni did since they laid down the groundwork in phoenix
Makes sense, especially steve kerr was the catalyst to making the warriors a new dynasty since 2014.

[2much_knowledge]

This

[Bronbron23]

Can you show the numbers?




Morey with the Rockets was basically tinkering with the ideas in Phoenix. He did not go all-in until AFTER the Warriors won. Indeed it was only after the 2016 Warriors 73-win season. Dwight Howard was still on the Rockets in 2016 and Kevin McHale was their coach at the start of the 2017 season. I remember the D'Antoni hire being met with deep skepticism on the internet message boards.

But maybe you can convince people who weren't paying attention.

Sure. If were going to use numbers we have to be fair though. We can't use career totals for mj vs stephs stats because mj played in the playoffs much younger and much older. Who knows what first, second and third year steph would of done in the post season and who knows what early/mid 30's steph will do so let's compare steph playoff stats to the same age as mj's which is basically 24-30 years old. This also makes it more accurate because it takes out the 3 years where mj played with the the shortened 3 point line.

Mj age 24-30 Post season : fg 51% 3pt 35% 2pt% 52 ppg 35 ppg
Steph 24-30 post season : fg 45% 3pt 40% 2pt 51% ppg 27 ppg

Mj 1991-1993 finals : fg 53% 3pt 44% ppg 36
Steph finals : fg 42% 3pt 38% ppg 28

I took out stephs worst 2016 finals numbers for this btw.

So post season is actually pretty close efficiency wise but agai that's with mj taking on a bigger scoring burden in a tougher scoring era while playing elite first team defense.

When it comes to the finals it's obviously not even close.

[Bronbron23]

Can you show the numbers?




Morey with the Rockets was basically tinkering with the ideas in Phoenix. He did not go all-in until AFTER the Warriors won. Indeed it was only after the 2016 Warriors 73-win season. Dwight Howard was still on the Rockets in 2016 and Kevin McHale was their coach at the start of the 2017 season. I remember the D'Antoni hire being met with deep skepticism on the internet message boards.

But maybe you can convince people who weren't paying attention.

As far steph changing the game let's look at facts and as you requested the numbers instead of this weird emotional idea that steph and the warriors actually changed the game.

Steph came in the league 2009-10. The warriors that year were 7th and shot 21 threes a game 6 attempts behind league leading orl who broke the record shooting 27 a game.

2010-11 Warriors shot the exact same at 21 a game and orlando was still leading at 26 a game.

2011-12 was exactly the same. Warriors shot 20 a game and orl 27.

2012-13 this is when morey joined the rockets and the game actually started to change. Rockets went from middle of the pack the year before shooting 20 a game to first in the league shooting an nba record 29 threes a game. The warriors weren't even in the top 10 and still shot 20 a game.

2013-14 again rockets were 1st in attempts at 27 and warriors started closing the gap at 5th shooting 25.

2014-15 rockets were 1st again at a nba all time record of 32 a game while warriors closed the gap at 3rd place at 28 a game.

2015-16 warriors finally caught the rockets. They were 1st in the league shooting 32 a game and rockets were second at 31. This is the year where steph fans falsely claim steph changed the game even though rockets shot the exact same amount of the threes the year before and this would be the only year where warriors led the league in threes.

2016-17 rockets once again led the league in attempts once again breaking the record at 40 a game. Warriors were 5th at 32 a game.

2017-18 rockets were first and again broke the record at 42 attempts. Warriors fell far behind at 14th shooting 29 a game.

2018-19 rockets again broke the record at 45 a game while tne warriors were at 9th at 34.

2019-20 was no different rockets led the league. Steph was hurt all year.

So looking at these numbers it clearly shows that morey and the rockets started this 3pt shit and changed the game. I guess you could credit orlando before them but the warriors and steph in no way changed the the game. It's a nice story but as i just showed its clearly fabricated.

[tontoz]

Ts isn't a good measure. It uses free throws dude. You can be mediocre from the field but a beast from the line and your ts will be good.





Numbers obviously aren't your thing. Steph doesn't get cheap foul calls like Trae and Harden.

If we use EFG% the gap between Steph and everyone else is even wider. Steph's EFG in the playoffs is 55.8%. No other guard is in the same zip code.

Lebron's EFG in the playoffs is 53.4% and he obviously gets a lot of easy points inside due to his size and strength which Steph can't get

[Stephonit]

2012-13 this is when morey joined the rockets and the game actually started to change. Rockets went from middle of the pack the year before shooting 20 a game to first in the league shooting an nba record 29 threes a game. The warriors weren't even in the top 10 and still shot 20 a game.



2012-2013? The year Stephen Curry takes the reins of the Golden State Warriors and begins its transformation into a championship team and breaks the single season three-point record?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/warriors/2013/04/17/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-record-three-point-ray-allen/2092395/

The year the Splash Brothers are proclaimed the greatest shooting backcourt in the history of the game?

April 24, 2013
Mark Jackson: "In my opinion, they're [Steph and Klay] the greatest shooting backcourt in the history of the game"

Morey may have been a contemporary believer in threes but it was the most exciting young team in the league that was the face and eventual backbone of the revolution.

[Bronbron23]

2012-2013? The year Stephen Curry takes the reins of the Golden State Warriors and begins its transformation into a championship team and breaks the single season three-point record?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/warriors/2013/04/17/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-record-three-point-ray-allen/2092395/

The year the Splash Brothers are proclaimed the greatest shooting backcourt in the history of the game?

April 24, 2013
Mark Jackson: "In my opinion, they're [Steph and Klay] the greatest shooting backcourt in the history of the game"

Morey may have been a contemporary believer in threes but it was the most exciting young team in the league that was the face and eventual backbone of the revolution.

Bruh i gave you the numbers. It's really not arguable although i do agree that the warriors definitely did it better and were the greatest shooting duo ever. That's not the argument though. The argument is who's responsible for the increased threes in the last 10 years or so and as tge numbers show it's the magic and the rockets. The warriors just followed suit and were the best at it

[Bronbron23]

Numbers obviously aren't your thing. Steph doesn't get cheap foul calls like Trae and Harden.

If we use EFG% the gap between Steph and everyone else is even wider. Steph's EFG in the playoffs is 55.8%. No other guard is in the same zip code.

Lebron's EFG in the playoffs is 53.4% and he obviously gets a lot of easy points inside due to his size and strength which Steph can't get

Steph absolutely gets cheap foul calls. Everyone does now especially perimeter shooters. As far as steph's efficiency the argument was never against harden or trae. It was against mj and as i said Steph's overall post season efficiency is a bit better than mj but his finals isn't. Same is probably true with steph and bron. Difference being is that both bron and mj are elite defensively.

Then there's accolades and chips where steph is behind bron and even further behind mj.

[tontoz]

Steph absolutely gets cheap foul calls. Everyone does now especially perimeter shooters. As far as steph's efficiency the argument was never against harden or trae. It was against mj and as i said Steph's overall post season efficiency is a bit better than mj but his finals isn't. Same is probably true with steph and bron. Difference being is that both bron and mj are elite defensively.

Then there's accolades and chips where steph is behind bron and even further behind mj.

A bit better? Steph's EFG is 5.5% better than MJ in the playoffs. I cant think of any other guard in any era that has an EFG over 55% in the playoffs while also scoring 25+ ppg.

FYI for his career Steph averages only 4.1 fts per game in the rs, 5.3 in the playoffs.

[warriorfan]

BronBron23iq getting bukkaked in here.

[FireDavidKahn]

Sorry but you need to have either

1) Iconic moments in the play offs

or

2) FMVP's

To be respected as an elite player

[Bronbron23]

A bit better? Steph's EFG is 5.5% better than MJ in the playoffs. I cant think of any other guard in any era that has an EFG over 55% in the playoffs while also scoring 25+ ppg.

FYI for his career Steph averages only 4.1 fts per game in the rs, 5.3 in the playoffs.

Bruh you guys keep using efg like it's accurate or something. As much as fg% under values the 3 ball efg over values it. Efg heavily favors 3 point shooters because it gives to much value for each 3 pointer made. So much so that you can literally end up with well over 100% from the field and way more shots made than attempted which as you know is literally impossible. This is old shit bruh. The inaccuracy of efg has been discussed for awhile now. Ts tried to fix that flaw but it's flawed also because it gives to much weight to free throws.

Nice try though. That efg/ ts might work on people who don't know hiw they're actually calculated but it's not gonna work here.

[Bronbron23]

BronBron23iq getting bukkaked in here.

Nope not even close. Your to dumb to know why because you'd have to know math but efg and therefore your guys argument is trash.

Here's a math equation for you to practice though.

If mj has 6 fmvp's 5 mvp's 10 scoring titles and 9 all defensive teams and steph has 0 fmvp's, 2 mvp's, 1 scoring title and no defensive teams how many more accomplishments does mj have than steph?

Take your time:facepalm

[Axe]

Nope not even close. Your to dumb to know why because you'd have to know math but efg and therefore your guys argument is trash.

Here's a math equation for you to practice though.

If mj has 6 fmvp's 5 mvp's 10 scoring titles and 9 all defensive teams and steph has 0 fmvp's, 2 mvp's, 1 scoring title and no defensive teams how many more accomplishments does mj have than steph?

Take your time:facepalm
Another lonely weekend for the welfarefan. :ohwell:

[Axe]

What's stephen curry without steve kerr anyway?

[tontoz]

Bruh you guys keep using efg like it's accurate or something. As much as fg% under values the 3 ball efg over values it. Efg heavily favors 3 point shooters because it gives to much value for each 3 pointer made. So much so that you can literally end up with well over 100% from the field and way more shots made than attempted which as you know is literally impossible. This is old shit bruh. The inaccuracy of efg has been discussed for awhile now. Ts tried to fix that flaw but it's flawed also because it gives to much weight to free throws.

Nice try though. That efg/ ts might work on people who don't know hiw they're actually calculated but it's not gonna work here.

Like I said, math isn't your thing. EFG gives the same weight to 3s as the scoreboard, and the only thing different in TS is that it counts free throws.

You're operating under the assumption 100% should be the maximum shooting percentage which is nonsense and has been since they put in the 3 pt line.

[GoSpursGo1984]

He got outplayed by d-leaguer Matthew Dellavedova in two straight finals losses. In game 2 he was shut down defensively, and in game 3 Dellavedova dropped what is still his career high (regular season or playoffs) 20 points on him. That cost him the Finals MVP, and deservedly so.

And you're right about impact not showing up in numbers. On the defensive end, that is. Becuase some might get fooled into thinking that him leading the league in steals makes him a great defender, but he's not even a good one. Durant meanwhile is a very good defender. Or was, at least. Not quite all-defense team material, but just below that level.

Just because Dellavdova played good defense on him did not mean he outplayed him. Curry was the main focus for the Golden State offense. No one was paying much attention to Dellavdova on offense that is why he could score. Durant had to go to Golden State to win a ring while Curry already had one so no Durant is not better then Curry.

[Axe]

Just because Dellavdova played good defense on him did not mean he outplayed him. Curry was the main focus for the Golden State offense. No one was paying much attention to Dellavdova on offense that is why he could score. Durant had to go to Golden State to win a ring while Curry already had one so no Durant is not better then Curry.
But durant has been on the finals with lesser help than curry.

I mean i'm sure many are going to dub the 2012 thunder a fluke team or what.

[Stephonit]

But durant has been on the finals with lesser help than curry.

I mean i'm sure many are going to dub the 2012 thunder a fluke team or what.

We've seen Westbrook lead a team to the playoffs and win MVP without KD. We've seen Harden lead a team to the playoffs and win MVP without KD. What have we seen Curry's teammates do without Curry?

[Bronbron23]

Another lonely weekend for the welfarefan. :ohwell:

Hahaha. Take it easy on him. He can't help it. Mental illness is real.

[Bronbron23]

Like I said, math isn't your thing. EFG gives the same weight to 3s as the scoreboard, and the only thing different in TS is that it counts free throws.

You're operating under the assumption 100% should be the maximum shooting percentage which is nonsense and has been since they put in the 3 pt line.

Your talking out your ass. It absolutely favors the 3 ball. It gives you 1.5 for a make which is ridiculous.

Let me try to help youe dumbass on why it's not a good measurement.

Player A goes 9/10 from 2 for 18 pts and 90% efg

Player B goes 6/7 from 3 for 18 pts and 128% efg

That's ridiculous player B wasn't almost 40% more efficient than player A. It's flawed as hell which again has been discussed and discounted for awhile now. Yes the math makes sense but it obviously dosn't reflect the actual efficiency of each player.

The other problem with efg is it dosn't take ft into account at all which obviously favours steph over mj because mj shoots twice as many free throws as steph in the post season and he shoots a very high %. I shouldn't have to explain how this matters.

As far as you ts% as you say it takes ft into account which efg dosn't which sounds good but it takes it into account to much which again is flawed, especially for someone like steph that dosn't go to the line alot but gets full percentage credit for making a few foul shots. The other off thing about it is someone like mj or harden who obviously go to the hole more and get more and ones don't get as much credit for a 2pt and 1 as someone else would get for a 3. It's not even close % wise even though it should be valued as the same.

[tontoz]

Your talking out your ass. It absolutely favors the 3 ball. It gives you 1.5 for a make which is ridiculous.

Let me try to help youe dumbass on why it's not a good measurement.

Player A goes 9/10 from 2 for 18 pts and 90% efg

Player B goes 6/7 from 3 for 18 pts and 128% efg

That's ridiculous player B wasn't almost 40% more efficient than player A. It's flawed as hell which again has been discussed and discounted for awhile now. Yes the math makes sense but it obviously dosn't reflect the actual efficiency of each player.


.


It isn't ridiculous at all. Player B scored the same number of points taking 3 fewer shots.

Players B took 7 shots. Player A took 3 more. Take the difference of 3 and divide by 7 = .4286 or 42.86%.

Player A took 42.86% more shots to score the same number of points.


which obviously favours steph over mj because mj shoots twice as many free throws as steph in the post season and he shoots a very high %. I shouldn't have to explain how this matters.

As far as you ts% as you say it takes ft into account which efg dosn't which sounds good but it takes it into account to much which again is flawed, especially for someone like steph that dosn't go to the line alot but gets full percentage credit for making a few foul shots. The other off thing about it is someone like mj or harden who obviously go to the hole more and get more and ones don't get as much credit for a 2pt and 1 as someone else would get for a 3. It's not even close % wise even though it should be valued as the same..


GD you are dumber than I thought. In comparison to MJ TS actually favors Steph less because MJ got to the almost twice as often. That is why the gap between their TS is less than the gap between their EFG by over 1%.

Duh

What makes it funny is that you were the one who dismissed TS in the first place even though it is less favorable to Steph because he doesn't get to the line a lot.:facepalm

Keep in mind when they were figuring out how to handle free throws they also had to factor in technical fts and there really isn't a good way to do that. And1s also throw a monkey wrench into it.

[tontoz]

Tonight Curry had 27 with a TS of 70% in spite of going 2-9 from 3, just another reminder that he isn't just a 3 pt shooter.

[Axe]

We've seen Westbrook lead a team to the playoffs and win MVP without KD. We've seen Harden lead a team to the playoffs and win MVP without KD. What have we seen Curry's teammates do without Curry?
For sure the curry-less warriors with klay would do far more in one season than vice versa.

[3ball]

Tonight Curry had 27 with a TS of 70% in spite of going 2-9 from 3, just another reminder that he isn't just a 3 pt shooter.


He was a 19 ppg player for 3 straight years until the league format changed to a 3-point contest, then his 3-point volume moved far past the mark price/Reggie Miller level he was at

[tpols]

Tonight Curry had 27 with a TS of 70% in spite of going 2-9 from 3, just another reminder that he isn't just a 3 pt shooter.

You can't beat 3 v 1. It's absurd to think Chef can beat Durant, Harden, and Kyrie by himself.

[Stanley Kobrick]

You can't beat 3 v 1. It's absurd to think Chef can beat Durant, Harden, and Kyrie by himself.
Sexton did it
Rozier did it
Morant did it
Lowry did it
Hayward did it
Beal did it
Trae did it
Shai Alexander did it


tonight your first watched game all season, huh

[3ball]

Sexton did it
Rozier did it
Morant did it
Lowry did it
Hayward did it
Beal did it
Trae did it
Shai Alexander did it


tonight your first watched game all season, huh


All those guys just got hot and they won't have that kind of energy in the playoffs .

[Stanley Kobrick]

All those guys just got hot and they won't have that kind of energy in the playoffs .
considering most of those teams they reside on wont be in contention, i have a suspicion you don't know what teams any of them play for

[BigShotBob]

I respect Curry's game and his hard-work, but he has deficiencies.

1) He can't impose his will on the game when it's tight.

2) His playstyle is a double-edged sword. He can potentially shoot himself out of games and I only need to highlight his 2018 Finals Game 3 performance. Without KD they would have lost that game, which was a microcosm of why he lost in the 2016 Finals.

[dawnn]

Steph's BEST BUCKETS From Downtown : http://bblink.com/nba1

[tontoz]

He was a 19 ppg player for 3 straight years until the league format changed to a 3-point contest, then his 3-point volume moved far past the mark price/Reggie Miller level he was at

Monta Ellis was on the team in Steph's first 3 years. He was a ball hogging chucker.

Steph averaged 23 ppg in his first season without Ellis and never scored less than that since.

[tpols]

Sexton did it
Rozier did it
Morant did it
Lowry did it
Hayward did it
Beal did it
Trae did it
Shai Alexander did it


tonight your first watched game all season, huh

those were all flukes except beal. they won't be doing shit in the playoffs.

[Stanley Kobrick]

those were all flukes except beal. they won't be doing shit in the playoffs.
yeah certainly you're first game last night, nets been getting handed too regularly. that's why 16-12 in the weak least

[tpols]

yeah certainly you're first game last night, nets been getting handed too regularly. that's why 16-12 in the weak least

Winning record against the wild wild west doe.

The problem is we get bored with crappy teams and take them lightly. The big boys always get up for the big time games.

[LBJ]

Because he has flaws in his game. He is always the guy picked up on defensively, as he sucks on that end. He can space the floor, and shoot threes. Not much else.
He is super great in a specific thing, the best players in the game Lebron/Kawhi/Durant/Giannis/etc do multiple things. It's hard to be a player who can do multiple things being point guard size.

[csh19792001]

I respect Curry tremendously, but he's also extremely overrated compared to other players from other eras who didn't have EVERYTHING working for them offensively.

He is considered the ultimate/greatest shooter ever, yet, he plays in an era that is a total joke defensively, especially for 3 point and perimeter shooters, in the entire history of the NBA.

The 2009-2010 double breakaway rim was the biggest rule or equipment change in the past 40 years besides: 1)The defensive rule changes (3 different hand check rules changes, the illegal defense rule change, 3 second defensive rule changes, etc.), and 2) The breakaway rim, introduced in 1981-1982.

Case in point:
1980-1989
3 pointers attempted per game:
3.54

2010-2020:
25.6

Imagine someone like Larry Bird playing his entire prime 2010-2020, with these joke defensive rules and enforcement?

[Stephonit]

I respect Curry tremendously, but he's also extremely overrated compared to other players from other eras who didn't have EVERYTHING working for them offensively.

He is considered the ultimate/greatest shooter ever, yet, he plays in an era that is a total joke defensively, especially for 3 point and perimeter shooters, in the entire history of the NBA.

The 2009-2010 double breakaway rim was the biggest rule or equipment change in the past 40 years besides: 1)The defensive rule changes (3 different hand check rules changes, the illegal defense rule change, 3 second defensive rule changes, etc.), and 2) The breakaway rim, introduced in 1981-1982.

Case in point:
1980-1989
3 pointers attempted per game:
3.54

2010-2020:
25.6

Imagine someone like Larry Bird playing his entire prime 2010-2020, with these joke defensive rules and enforcement?

You might as well say everyone from this era is extremely overrated.

KG just wondered the other day if guys from his era could play today. The game is faster paced and extends players. Makes me think that's why we're seeing a rash of achilles injuries. Big plodding bigs of the past would be run into the ground and the more athletic players of yesteryear mostly don't have the same skill. I get the feeling the reason interior defenses have been relaxed is because if not the game would be played as even more of a three-point shooting contest.

[csh19792001]

You might as well say everyone from this era is extremely overrated.

Offensively? They certainly are, compared to, say, Jordan's 1990's. Read Section 1:

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html

[Stephonit]

Offensively? They certainly are, compared to, say, Jordan's 1990's. Read Section 1:

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html

Page you linked to no longer seems to exist. Also it seems to be from 2014 before the Curry/Warriors revolution.

Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf lit up the Bulls enough to be burned into the Zen Master's memory and Mark Price gave the Bulls problems. They aren't as good as Damian Lillard. James Harden and Stephen Curry would be capable of annihilating them.

[Sulico]

I respect Curry tremendously, but he's also extremely overrated compared to other players from other eras who didn't have EVERYTHING working for them offensively.

He is considered the ultimate/greatest shooter ever, yet, he plays in an era that is a total joke defensively, especially for 3 point and perimeter shooters, in the entire history of the NBA.

The 2009-2010 double breakaway rim was the biggest rule or equipment change in the past 40 years besides: 1)The defensive rule changes (3 different hand check rules changes, the illegal defense rule change, 3 second defensive rule changes, etc.), and 2) The breakaway rim, introduced in 1981-1982.

Case in point:
1980-1989
3 pointers attempted per game:
3.54

2010-2020:
25.6

Imagine someone like Larry Bird playing his entire prime 2010-2020, with these joke defensive rules and enforcement?

Since Larry Bird was so much better than players today, what is the year NBA peaked in talent level and why it went downhill?

[csh19792001]

Since Larry Bird was so much better than players today, what is the year NBA peaked in talent level and why it went downhill?

His relative numbers would go up, without the hand check/grabbing/incredibly physical defense of the 1980's, spreading talent across 30 teams (instead of the 23 when he was in his prime), and, shooting long range on a double breakaway rim.

I don't think Bird's "much better" than Jordan or Lebron, but I think a case can be made that he was better, based on the contexts during which each played, relative to each's skill sets. Consider that once he started focusing on threes in 85-86, he led all players in the NBA in both threes made and three point percentage for several years.

And, he was a 6 foot 9 forward, not a Steph Curry type player, which makes it significantly more impressive.

Also...more physically talented doesn't necessarily mean better quality of play. E.g. today's baseball players are far bigger, faster, stronger and more trained than ever before, and their fundamental skills suck. All almost everyone knows how to do is BB/K/HR and pull the ball. Fundamentals and watchability/variety are at an all time low despite physical talent being at an all time high.

[csh19792001]

Page you linked to no longer seems to exist.

Ok, it's quite lengthy, so here's a very quick and dirty synopsis: every player that played pre and post 99/00 got better, relative to themselves, when the defensive rules got much softer. That's BEFORE they eliminated the hand check altogether in 2004.

And everyone quoted- coaches, players past and present, GM's, Onwers, all agreed it's MUCH easier to score and shoot post 2004 than it was in the two decades prior.

[Sulico]

His relative numbers would go up, without the hand check/grabbing/incredibly physical defense of the 1980's, spreading talent across 30 teams (instead of the 23 when he was in his prime), and, shooting long range on a double breakaway rim.

I don't think Bird's "much better" than Jordan or Lebron, but I think a case can be made that he was better, based on the contexts during which each played, relative to each's skill sets. Consider that once he started focusing on threes in 85-86, he led all players in the NBA in both threes made and three point percentage for several years.

And, he was a 6 foot 9 forward, not a Steph Curry type player, which makes it significantly more impressive.

Also...more physically talented doesn't necessarily mean better quality of play. E.g. today's baseball players are far bigger, faster, stronger and more trained than ever before, and their fundamental skills suck. All almost everyone knows how to do is BB/K/HR and pull the ball. Fundamentals and watchability/variety are at an all time low despite physical talent being at an all time high.

So guys like Jokic and Harden are no match in fundamental skills to Moses Malone and Sydney Moncrief. Got it.

The question is, why? Why do you think todays players can't learn fundamentals? Why can't they start playing real basketball and just pull up for a long two in traffic or post up for a contested fadeaway? I mean the footage of superior players is available! It's one click away on youtube! And their coaches can teach them all that cuz they have firsthand knowledge! Why do you think they regress?

[csh19792001]

So guys like Jokic and Harden are no match in fundamental skills to Moses Malone and Sydney Moncrief. Got it.

Never said such a thing nor implied it.


Why do you think they regress?

My original postulate, and all that I still maintain, is that Curry would get clobbered in a drastically more physical 1980's. That is a FACT. And that he COULD NOT possibly shoot with anywhere near the frequency or accuracy as he has, since 2009.

Literally all the defensive rules possible to change they could have been modified have been changed in his favor, since the time of Bird et all.

And, again, Bird (once he concertedly tried) became both the leaders in 3 pointers attempted and 3 point percentage.

[tpols]

His relative numbers would go up, without the hand check/grabbing/incredibly physical defense of the 1980's, spreading talent across 30 teams (instead of the 23 when he was in his prime), and, shooting long range on a double breakaway rim.

I don't think Bird's "much better" than Jordan or Lebron, but I think a case can be made that he was better, based on the contexts during which each played, relative to each's skill sets. Consider that once he started focusing on threes in 85-86, he led all players in the NBA in both threes made and three point percentage for several years.

And, he was a 6 foot 9 forward, not a Steph Curry type player, which makes it significantly more impressive.

Also...more physically talented doesn't necessarily mean better quality of play. E.g. today's baseball players are far bigger, faster, stronger and more trained than ever before, and their fundamental skills suck. All almost everyone knows how to do is BB/K/HR and pull the ball. Fundamentals and watchability/variety are at an all time low despite physical talent being at an all time high.

I've seen the tape on John Stockton and he was even less athletic than Curry, like 20 lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter too. If he could get around, so could Chef. Stick figure Reggie Miller got around just fine. In that era, yea the defense is more physical but your goons are also allowed to set harder screens to get you open.

[csh19792001]

I've seen the tape on John Stockton and he was even less athletic than Curry.

LMAO!!!

"You've seen the tape". :facepalm

Listen to all the legends, Son.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB4lYjpDLYk&t=415s

[tpols]

LMAO!!!

"You've seen the tape". :facepalm

Listen to all the legends, Son.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB4lYjpDLYk&t=415s

Yea I've seen the tape. Tough little dude but he was 6 foot flat and 175 lbs, so he was way smaller than Chef, and honestly had less moves and shooting ability, yet he got around just fine. Chef would be like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey... finesse. He'd just have his goons handle anybody with hard screens while he moves off ball. Reggie did it and he was a stick figure.

[csh19792001]

Yea I've seen the tape. Tough little dude but he was 6 foot flat and 175 lbs, so he was way smaller than Chef, and honestly had less moves and shooting ability, yet he got around just fine. Chef would be like Wayne Gretzky in Hockey... finesse. He'd just have his goons handle anybody with hard screens while he moves off ball. Reggie did it and he was a stick figure.

Get back to me, Gen Z Dolt when all the legends are revering Curry's OVERALL game like that.

[tpols]

Get back to me, Gen Z Dolt when all the legends are revering Curry's OVERALL game like that.

You clown Chef will be revered far more than John Stockton when it's all said and done. He's already lapped him as it stands now.

[tontoz]

I liked Stockton but put him on the current warriors and they would be well below .500.

Stockton is a great pg to have when you have other elite scorers on the team. But he is just a complimentary scorer. I would take CP3 and Steph over him but not many others. Off the top of my head Magic and...I don't know. Would have to think about it to come up with others I would take over Stockton.

Hard nosed player. Some actually called him dirty for some of the picks he set.

[tpols]

I liked Stockton but put him on the current warriors and they would be well below .500.

Stockton is a great pg to have when you have other elite scorers on the team. But he is just a complimentary scorer. I would take CP3 and Steph over him but not many others. Off the top of my head Magic and...I don't know. Would have to think about it to come up with others I would take over Stockton.

Hard nosed player. Some actually called him dirty for some of the picks he set.

Jason Kidd easy.

[tontoz]

Jason Kidd easy.

Kidd did a lot of things well but was a very weak scorer. For his career he shot 40% from the field.

He had no jumper and wasn't very good at finishing inside either. He did develop a set shot from 3 later in his career.

In terms of all time pgs he was probably the worst scorer. I can think of many guys I would take over him.

[csh19792001]

Kidd did a lot of things well but was a very weak scorer. For his career he shot 40% from the field.

He had no jumper and wasn't very good at finishing inside either. He did develop a set shot from 3 later in his career.

In terms of all time pgs he was probably the worst scorer. I can think of many guys I would take over him.

In NBA History, 33 guards have started 750 games or more. Stockton (.515) has the highest shooting percentage, all time. And it's not even close. And, he did it without the advent of the double breakaway rim (introduced 2009-2010, ushered in this ridiculous era where teams shoot 35 3's a game).

Career Assists:
Stockton: 15,806
Kidd: 12,091
Nash: 10,335
Paul: 9,866

Career Steals:
Stockton: 3,265
Kidd: 2,684
Payton: 2,445
Paul: 2,265

AND, Jason Kidd played more minutes and had more games started than Stockton.

Also, Stockton's durability plus longevity is not even remotely approached by anyone in history. He missed 22 games in 19 seasons, and 18 of those missed games came in one season. He started all 82 games 12 times, 4 more than anyone else, all time.

VORP (All Guards, NBA History)
Stockton: 106.5
Paul: 87.3
Kidd: 73.4
Drexler: 70.2
Harden: 66.3
Wade: 62.8
Payton: 62.5
Curry: 53.1
Westbrook: 52.2
Allen: 57.6
Nash: 48.2

[Stephonit]

Get back to me, Gen Z Dolt when all the legends are revering Curry's OVERALL game like that.

They already do. They even came up with a term for it: Stephortless.

[tpols]

All John Stockton has is longevity stats. He was NEVER an MVP level player, and wasn't even the best player on his own team... let alone in the entire NBA like Curry was/is winning MVP's. John Stockton has no titles as best player and averaged 10 PPG in the Finals. Curry's worst series of his career he put up 23 PPG and got shit on for it. Different standards. Different level of player. By a lot. But keep telling us how that tiny little guy could survive 20 years in the brutal gladiator league your so nostalgic about, and how Curry little ***** boy would get punched out and be a scrub. You old guys are jokes, nothing but nostalgia.

[3ball]

I only look at Curry's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he took a normal amount of threes and averaged less than 20 points like Mark Price - that's his caliber

after that, the league format changed to a 3-point contest where his 3-point volume increased along with his stats.. otherwise, he's a 19 ppg scorer in another era without the 3-point volume - this is the historical record

[SouBeachTalents]

I only look at Jordan's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he didn't have Pippen and he never got out of the first round like Tracy McGrady - that's his caliber

after that, he got Pippen & Phil and was on a team good enough to win 55 games without him, he's never had a winning record without Pippen - this is the historical record

[3ball]

I only look at Jordan's first 3 years to evaluate him

He went 1-9 in the playoffs and never got out of the first round like Tracy McGrady - that's his caliber

after that, he got Pippen & Phil and was on a team good enough to win 55 games without him, he's never had a winning record without Pippen - this is the historical record


Jordan had goat stats with and without Pippen or Phil

Otoh, Curry only has great stats with high 3-point volume

So Curry relies on something to produce at a high level, and MJ didn't

The stats show that Curry is Mark Price without the 3-point volume

[tpols]

I only look at Jordan's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he didn't have Pippen and he never got out of the first round like Tracy McGrady - that's his caliber

after that, he got Pippen & Phil and was on a team good enough to win 55 games without him, he's never had a winning record without Pippen - this is the historical record

Damn. Straight slay.

[csh19792001]

I only look at Curry's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he took a normal amount of threes and averaged less than 20 points like Mark Price - that's his caliber

after that, the league format changed to a 3-point contest where his 3-point volume increased along with his stats.. otherwise, he's a 19 ppg scorer in another era without the 3-point volume - this is the historical record

"The 3 point contest era" where nobody can play hard defense is a total joke. That's the point. It's like home run derby in baseball.

These teenage (and teenage acting) troglodytes and trolls on this board don't know anything else except this total joke of an era, defensively.

Look at how the players from the late 90's faired once they started changing all the defensive rules. It's a staggering reminder of how historically overrated someone like Steph Curry is:

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html

[Stephonit]

"The 3 point contest era" where nobody can play hard defense is a total joke. That's the point. It's like home run derby in baseball.

These teenage (and teenage acting) troglodytes and trolls on this board don't know anything else except this total joke of an era, defensively.

Look at how the players from the late 90's faired once they started changing all the defensive rules. It's a staggering reminder of how historically overrated someone like Steph Curry is:

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/2014/09/section-1-players-from-jordans-day.html

I could probably understand such a complaint from someone like Jerry West if he were ever to venture it but Jordan's entire NBA career was played in the three-point era. That Jordan didn't exhibit notable 3-point proficiency is simply something that his fans will have to live with. If they are going to suggest that Curry is "staggeringly overrated" due to differences in era, Curry's admirers can counter with exactly the same reasoning in regards to Jordan.

[tontoz]

I only look at Curry's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he took a normal amount of threes and averaged less than 20 points like Mark Price - that's his caliber

after that, the league format changed to a 3-point contest where his 3-point volume increased along with his stats.. otherwise, he's a 19 ppg scorer in another era without the 3-point volume - this is the historical record


You keep repeating this nonsense as it if was a fact when you are just making crap up.

What is this "format change" that you are talking about? Was there some rules change that i am not aware of? Or did Steph just play better because he got healthy and Ellis got traded?

[tontoz]

All John Stockton has is longevity stats. He was NEVER an MVP level player, and wasn't even the best player on his own team... let alone in the entire NBA like Curry was/is winning MVP's. John Stockton has no titles as best player and averaged 10 PPG in the Finals. Curry's worst series of his career he put up 23 PPG and got shit on for it. Different standards. Different level of player. By a lot. But keep telling us how that tiny little guy could survive 20 years in the brutal gladiator league your so nostalgic about, and how Curry little ***** boy would get punched out and be a scrub. You old guys are jokes, nothing but nostalgia.


While i would rank Curry ahead of Stockton, i think you are underrating Stockton. He was All-NBA 12 times (only 3 of those were 3rd team) and All-NBA defense 5 times (2nd team each time). He was a great traditional pg, just not a go to scorer.

[Axe]

I only look at Jordan's first 3 years to evaluate him

That's the only period that he didn't have Pippen and he never got out of the first round like Tracy McGrady - that's his caliber

after that, he got Pippen & Phil and was on a team good enough to win 55 games without him, he's never had a winning record without Pippen - this is the historical record
Apparently the same thing applies to curry too