LeBron has 54/100 1st place MVP votes from 100 media Members

[8Ball]

100 media members straw polled.

54 first place votes to LeBron. The momentum is building this year. :applause: The rest is split between Embiid and Jokic.


James was named on 99 of 100 ballots and finished with a total of 760 points, leading Embiid (23 first-place votes) by just 95 points. The last MVP race to have a final margin that small came in 2004-05 when Steve Nash edged Shaquille O'Neal by 34 points. Jokic was third, garnering 18 first-place votes and a total of 596 points.

That puts the spread between James in first and Jokic in third at 164 points. By comparison, Antetokounmpo led the second-place James by 152 points in the initial version of last year's straw poll.


1 LeBron James 760
2 Joel Embiid. 665
3 Nikola Jokic 596


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race


This CONFIRMS that LeBron is in the lead for his FIF MVP award, 14 All-NBA 1st team award. :bowdown:

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https://i.redd.it/le09abb8x7h51.jpg

[8Ball]

Jordan right now: "STOP THE COUNT"

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah...

Bron, Curry, Embiid, and Joker are all playing high impact ball.

If the voting stopped today, though, it'd definitely go to either Bron or Joel.

[light]

Bron is the MVP of the last two decades.

[TheGoatest]

The fact that one voter didn't even have LeBron as a top 5 MVP candidate proves that there are people in the media that hate LeBron's guts and will go to any ridiculous extreme to discredit him.

[hold this L]

If the voting stops today, I'd probably edge it out to Bron over Embiid. My top 5 right now:

1. Lebron
2. Embiid
3. Jokic
4. Steph
5. Kawhi

[light]

The fact that one voter didn't even have LeBron as a top 5 MVP candidate proves that there are people in the media that hate LeBron's guts and will go to any ridiculous extreme to discredit him.

skip bayless?

[TheGoatest]

skip bayless?

I don't know if he has a vote. But it's so obvious that there will be people in the media lobbying against him, i.e. use their vote on anyone but him.

[8Ball]

Skip doesn't have a vote.

1 shithead out there didn't even have Bron as a top 5. Probably voted for Melo like in 2013 :oldlol:

[Tobio-Star]

Baldan stans avoiding this thread like pleague :oldlol:

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry has a 57 point game in a loss vs 14th seed, so he gets a few nickelodeon votes

[DaggerPodcast]

Did Courtside Karen get a vote in this cause how do you not have LeBron in the top 5 right now? There is no way anyone that is of sound body and mind can keep LeBron out of the top 5 for MVP race.

[dankok8]

Lebron is probably the lead candidate but his stats aren't very impressive. I mean sure they are prime Bird type stats but in this league a lot of superstars can put up 25/8/8 or something comparable without breaking a sweat. Lebron stans are getting excited like he's playing at a GOAT level or something.

[RRR3]

Lebron is probably the lead candidate but his stats aren't very impressive. I mean sure they are prime Bird type stats but in this league a lot of superstars can put up 25/8/8 or something comparable without breaking a sweat. Lebron stans are getting excited like he's playing at a GOAT level or something.
Lol you’re so shook.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron is probably the lead candidate but his stats aren't very impressive. I mean sure they are prime Bird type stats but in this league a lot of superstars can put up 25/8/8 or something comparable without breaking a sweat. Lebron stans are getting excited like he's playing at a GOAT level or something.

36 years old and guy has the BEST impact stats in the game, but you're not impressed?

:whatever:

I mean, if the logic is because of "soft play" then nobody is doing anything of note.

[light]

Lebron is probably the lead candidate but his stats aren't very impressive. I mean sure they are prime Bird type stats but in this league a lot of superstars can put up 25/8/8 or something comparable without breaking a sweat. Lebron stans are getting excited like he's playing at a GOAT level or something.

You are thinking about the game in an outdated way.

The box score stuff is mostly for us, the fans.

The teams use a bunch of stats we're not allowed to see. That's where they find their edge. Each team has different stuff that they favor that they think is the secret sauce.

[dankok8]

Let's look at some of the best players in the league.

Lebron: 25.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg on 59.8 %TS with 3.7 topg in 34.5 mpg



Durant: 29.5 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.4 bpg on 66.0 %TS with 3.5 topg in 35.9 mpg

Harden: 24.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 11.2 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.8 bpg on 63.5 %TS with 4.2 topg in 38.1 mpg

Kawhi: 26.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 1.8 topg in 34.4 mpg with better defense

Curry: 29.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 5.9 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.2 bpg on 65.6 %TS with 3.2 topg in 33.7 mpg

Lillard: 29.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg on 63.3 %TS with 3.0 topg in 36.0 mpg

Beal: 33.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg on 58.5 %TS with 3.1 topg in 35.2 mpg

Doncic: 27.8 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.6 bpg on 56.7 %TS with 4.2 topg in 35.0 mpg

Jokic: 27.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 8.5 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg on 64.6 %TS with 3.6 topg in 36.1 mpg

Embiid: 29.1 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg on 67.2 %TS with 3.4 topg in 32.0 mpg with better defense

Giannis: 27.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.3 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 3.7 topg in 32.9 mpg with better defense



Above are 10 players who are putting up comparable and some much better numbers than Lebron this year. Jokic is beating Lebron in scoring, rebounds and assists and doing so on higher efficiency. Embiid and Giannis are playing great defense and beating Lebron in scoring, rebounding and doing so on higher efficiency. Doncic has essentially the same statline. Harden is killing him in assists while matching him in scoring. And so on...

Lebron is the top candidate right now because of the Lakers' record but he isn't having a great season individually. Good season but not great. Honestly look at the last few MVP's like 2020 Giannis, 2019 Giannis, 2018 Harden, 2017 Westbrook, 2016 Curry... they all had much better seasons than Lebron is having this far.

[Manny98]

They mad :lol

Old man Lebron still by far the best in the league

[RRR3]

Dankok can’t stand how close LeBron is getting to Mikey :oldlol:

[RRR3]

36 years old and guy has the BEST impact stats in the game, but you're not impressed?

:whatever:

I mean, if the logic is because of "soft play" then nobody is tdoing anything of note.
Where do you find these impact stats? I really don’t know why bref has never added them it’s annoying.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Where do you find these impact stats? I really don’t know why bref has never added them it’s annoying.

RPM: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

So Bron leads the league in Real Plus Minus while Steph leads in Wins (basically total RPM with injuries and games played accounted for).

Bref is good for BPM, but we all know its not as stable as RPM.

[dankok8]

What is RPM? Can any Lebron stan on here explain what it means and how it's calculated? :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What is RPM? Can any Lebron stan on here explain what it means and how it's calculated? :lol

I wont speak for LeBron stans, but RPM is basically data that league execs and mainstream media have been using for years now.

You can read how its calculated, specifically, right here: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

But in layman's terms, it is a player's estimated on-court impact on team performance. And measured net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. ORTG, DRTG, WS, BPM, PER etc., are all per 100 stats too.

Plus Minus is simply point differential while that player is on the court, which can incorrectly include teammates' play. RPM attempts to separate ratings for individual impact on both ends of the court.

[Axe]

stephen curry has a 57 point game in a loss vs 14th seed, so he gets a few nickelodeon votes
It is more iconic tho than any media-created awards found in the league

[Hoopz2332]

Let's look at some of the best players in the league.

Lebron: 25.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg on 59.8 %TS with 3.7 topg in 34.5 mpg



Durant: 29.5 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.4 bpg on 66.0 %TS with 3.5 topg in 35.9 mpg

Harden: 24.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 11.2 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.8 bpg on 63.5 %TS with 4.2 topg in 38.1 mpg

Kawhi: 26.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 1.8 topg in 34.4 mpg with better defense

Curry: 29.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 5.9 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.2 bpg on 65.6 %TS with 3.2 topg in 33.7 mpg

Lillard: 29.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg on 63.3 %TS with 3.0 topg in 36.0 mpg

Beal: 33.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg on 58.5 %TS with 3.1 topg in 35.2 mpg

Doncic: 27.8 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.6 bpg on 56.7 %TS with 4.2 topg in 35.0 mpg

Jokic: 27.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 8.5 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg on 64.6 %TS with 3.6 topg in 36.1 mpg

Embiid: 29.1 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg on 67.2 %TS with 3.4 topg in 32.0 mpg with better defense

Giannis: 27.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.3 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 3.7 topg in 32.9 mpg with better defense



Above are 10 players who are putting up comparable and some much better numbers than Lebron this year. Jokic is beating Lebron in scoring, rebounds and assists and doing so on higher efficiency. Embiid and Giannis are playing great defense and beating Lebron in scoring, rebounding and doing so on higher efficiency. Doncic has essentially the same statline. Harden is killing him in assists while matching him in scoring. And so on...

Lebron is the top candidate right now because of the Lakers' record but he isn't having a great season individually. Good season but not great. Honestly look at the last few MVP's like 2020 Giannis, 2019 Giannis, 2018 Harden, 2017 Westbrook, 2016 Curry... they all had much better seasons than Lebron is having this far.


team success counts heavily

[AlternativeAcc.]

He won last year too

He's absolutely insane. Best player in the league for 18 years straight? That's... wow

[Pipes2.0]

stephen curry has a 57 point game in a loss vs 14th seed, so he gets a few nickelodeon votes

Okay, I laughed out loud with this one. :lol
You gotta admire the consistency :applause:

[dankok8]

team success counts heavily

Yea agree. That's what I said for why he's the frontrunner.

I just had to post that because you've got people on this thread actually thinking Lebron is playing at a GOAT-level this season.

[8Ball]

Let's look at some of the best players in the league.

Lebron: 25.6 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg on 59.8 %TS with 3.7 topg in 34.5 mpg



Durant: 29.5 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 5.2 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.4 bpg on 66.0 %TS with 3.5 topg in 35.9 mpg

Harden: 24.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 11.2 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.8 bpg on 63.5 %TS with 4.2 topg in 38.1 mpg

Kawhi: 26.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.6 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 1.8 topg in 34.4 mpg with better defense

Curry: 29.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 5.9 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.2 bpg on 65.6 %TS with 3.2 topg in 33.7 mpg

Lillard: 29.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.3 bpg on 63.3 %TS with 3.0 topg in 36.0 mpg

Beal: 33.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.6 bpg on 58.5 %TS with 3.1 topg in 35.2 mpg

Doncic: 27.8 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.6 bpg on 56.7 %TS with 4.2 topg in 35.0 mpg

Jokic: 27.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 8.5 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg on 64.6 %TS with 3.6 topg in 36.1 mpg

Embiid: 29.1 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg on 67.2 %TS with 3.4 topg in 32.0 mpg with better defense

Giannis: 27.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.3 bpg on 61.0 %TS with 3.7 topg in 32.9 mpg with better defense



Above are 10 players who are putting up comparable and some much better numbers than Lebron this year. Jokic is beating Lebron in scoring, rebounds and assists and doing so on higher efficiency. Embiid and Giannis are playing great defense and beating Lebron in scoring, rebounding and doing so on higher efficiency. Doncic has essentially the same statline. Harden is killing him in assists while matching him in scoring. And so on...

Lebron is the top candidate right now because of the Lakers' record but he isn't having a great season individually. Good season but not great. Honestly look at the last few MVP's like 2020 Giannis, 2019 Giannis, 2018 Harden, 2017 Westbrook, 2016 Curry... they all had much better seasons than Lebron is having this far.

LeBron does a lot more than just a 25/8/8 statline.

Casuals won't understand that.


25/8/8 is highly impressive regardless. GOAT level? Close enough.

[dankok8]

LeBron does a lot more than just a 25/8/8 statline.

Casuals won't understand that.


25/8/8 is highly impressive regardless. GOAT level? Close enough.

25/8/8 is nowhere near GOAT level when 10 guys in the league are putting up comparable or better stats. Or maybe they are all GOAT's? Embiid and Jokic are GOAT's... :confusedshrug:

[Hoopz2332]

Yea agree. That's what I said for why he's the frontrunner.

I just had to post that because you've got people on this thread actually thinking Lebron is playing at a GOAT-level this season.


he's having high level impact @ year 18 + 2nd best record in the league

[Airupthere]

he's having high level impact @ year 18 + 2nd best record in the league

Take away AD now what happens?

[tpols]

Lebron is 25/8/8 with +11 splits

Embiid is doing 29/11/3 with +22 splits
Jokic is doing 28/11/9 with +18 splits
Kawhi is doing 26/6/5 with +17 splits
Giannis is doing 27/11/7 with +11 splits
Chef is doing 30/5/5 with +9 splits
Durant is doing 30/7/5 with +8 splits

Just another case of LeWWE. All the other superstars are outplaying him except AD right now... whose coasting after carrying the Lakers to a title a couple months ago. He needs his rest for these playoffs coming up to try and do it again you know.

[Hoopz2332]

Take away AD now what happens?


AD has been playing like sh1t

[Hoopz2332]

Lebron is 25/8/8 with +11 splits

Jokic is doing 28/11/9 with +18 splits
Kawhi is doing 26/6/5 with +17 splits
Giannis is doing 27/11/7 with +11 splits
Chef is doing 30/5/5 with +9 splits
Durant is doing 30/7/5 with +8 splits

Just another case of LeWWE. All the other superstars are outplaying him except AD right now... whose coasting after carrying the Lakers to a title a couple months ago. He needs his rest for these playoffs coming up to try and do it again you know.



TEAM RECORD COUNTS!!!!


https://i.imgur.com/yiH9IZx.png


jokic- sh1tty record

luka- sh1tty record

chef - sh1ty record

durant - ok record in the weak east

kawhi - struggling w/o PG

Giannis - no one is going to hand this dude another reg season MVP until he performs in the playoffs

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with all that said: Embid vs Lebron is who it will come down to and most likely, Emid will miss too many games

[TheGoatest]

with all that said: Embid vs Lebron is who it will come down to and most likely, Emid will miss too many games

Also, Embiid is playing in a conference where a .500 team is currently 5th seed.
LeBron is playing in a conference where a .500 is currently out of the playoffs.

But let's conveniently ignore that, unlike when LeBron was playing in the east. :oldlol:

[Hoopz2332]

Also, Embiid is playing in a conference where a .500 team is currently 5th seed.
LeBron is playing in a conference where a .500 is currently out of the playoffs.

But let's conveniently ignore that, unlike when LeBron was playing in the east. :oldlol:


exactly: east is flat out dumpster juice


east ONLY has 5 teams at .500 or better

https://i.imgur.com/x31Mm3e.png


west has 9! at .500 or better

https://i.imgur.com/JETeqhh.png

[8Ball]

Anthony Davis is playing like All-NBA 3rd team right now. Not 1st team like last year.

That matters.

[RRR3]

Anthony Davis is playing like All-NBA 3rd team right now. Not 1st team like last year.

That matters.
Yep and they can’t blame LeBron either since we have proof AD plays at peak capacity with LeBron (he played the best ball of his career last playoffs). Probably a combination of mental struggles (that explains his massive FT drop), physical struggles and adjusting to playing with a shot jacker like Schroeder.

[Axe]

exactly: east is flat out dumpster juice


east ONLY has 5 teams at .500 or better

https://i.imgur.com/x31Mm3e.png


west has 9! at .500 or better

https://i.imgur.com/JETeqhh.png
And this year, we'll probably get to see another instance of a last seed eastern team having a losing record yet still make the playoffs while a western team with a winning record will not because they didn't have enough wins for the same spot in their respective conference.

[8Ball]

Yep and they can’t blame LeBron either since we have proof AD plays at peak capacity with LeBron (he played the best ball of his career last playoffs). Probably a combination of mental struggles (that explains his massive FT drop), physical struggles and adjusting to playing with a shot jacker like Schroeder.

AD is injured this year.

He played with a swollen purple foot in the finals.

Not enough time to heal + get in shape in a short offseason like this.

[Axe]

AD is injured this year.

He played with a swollen purple foot in the finals.

Not enough time to heal + get in shape in a short offseason like this.
Still they blame him for not playing rn like the powerhouse he seemed to be in the previous season lol

[warriorfan]

LeBron couldn’t even make the playoffs without AD

Then AD joined and lead the team statistically throughout the entire playoffs.

AD is the real MVP.

[3ball]

If the voting stops today, I'd probably edge it out to Bron over Embiid. My top 5 right now:

1. Lebron
2. Embiid
3. Jokic
4. Steph
5. Kawhi


Except Lebron has by far the best sidekick - a legit 1b and dpoy candidate that led the Lakers statistically last year and will likely come on again this year

It's fraudulent to think that Lebron could be MVP alongside a 1b like AD

[SATAN]

lmao dankokhead in here talking about GOAT level this and that while LeBron is just coasting through most regular season games on his way to another MVP :oldlol:

You are pathetic.

[dankok8]

lmao dankokhead in here talking about GOAT level this and that while LeBron is just coasting through most regular season games on his way to another MVP :oldlol:

You are pathetic.

You're one of the worst posters on this board which is actually saying a lot. Don't post unless you have something meaningful to say.

[SATAN]

What I said was meaningful. It meant you're an idiot who thinks stats are the be all and end all.

[TheCorporation]

Jordan right now: "STOP THE COUNT"

He's shooketh :lol

That boi's ready to drop another poorly made documentary if LeKing wins his 5th

[TheCorporation]

What I said was meaningful. It meant you're an idiot who thinks stats are the be all and end all.

LeMVP

LeCincoDeRingo

[Hoopz2332]

emid loses to blazers...lebron sitting firmly #1 for mvp

[LBJ]

There is a bias against Lebron by many reporters. It should have been much more than 54 1st place MVP votes. Those reporters are the same reporters who used the below two excuses against Lebron but now forgot about it.

1 - He plays in East - When Lebron played in EAST these reporters didn't want to vote for Lebron because he plays weaker competition. Well, East sucks now more than ever and Lebron plays out West.
2 - Rest. They used this against Lebron to not put him as MVP, but not using it against other players who are resting this season.

[TheGoatest]

There is a bias against Lebron by many reporters. It should have been much more than 54 1st place MVP votes. Those reporters are the same reporters who used the below two excuses against Lebron but now forgot about it.

1 - He plays in East - When Lebron played in EAST these reporters didn't want to vote for Lebron because he plays weaker competition. Well, East sucks now more than ever and Lebron plays out West.
2 - Rest. They used this against Lebron to not put him as MVP, but not using it against other players who are resting this season.

One of those morons didn't even give LeBron a 5th place vote. Also, it is worth noting that LeBron had more 3rd place votes than 2nd place votes in the poll. You'd think that the player with most 1st place votes would have more 2nd place votes than 3rd place, but it is evident that some of the voters are deliberately going out of their way to put him lower. LeBron definitely has this obstacle of bias against him to overcome.

[AussieSteve]

One of those morons didn't even give LeBron a 5th place vote. Also, it is worth noting that LeBron had more 3rd place votes than 2nd place votes in the poll. You'd think that the player with most 1st place votes would have more 2nd place votes than 3rd place, but it is evident that some of the voters are deliberately going out of their way to put him lower. LeBron definitely has this obstacle of bias against him to overcome.

In 1990, Charles Barkley won 38 1st place MVP votes. Magic won 27. Magic won the MVP.

So it definitely wouldn't be the first time an MVP was rigged.

[Gohan]

Lmao lebron winning this year would be the weakest mvp besides giannis