Is Rudy Gobert overrated?

[Vino24]

He seems to get absolutely bullied often:biggums:

[Xiao Yao You]

how could he be overrated? Underrated certainly

[Manny98]

He's not even a top 5 center, certainly not worth 40 million

[Xiao Yao You]

He's not even a top 5 center, certainly not worth 40 million

All NBA/all D/DPOTY suggests otherwise

[Vino24]

He's not even a top 5 center, certainly not worth 40 million

Right? He’s lucky he’s in the cupcake west

[Proctor]

He does get bullied a lot. Jarrett Allen is abusing him tonight

[Vino24]

Allen must have an unfair advantage being black. He’s absolutely rag-dolling Gobert :biggums:

[Xiao Yao You]

Allen must have an unfair advantage being black. He’s absolutely rag-dolling Gobert :biggums:

Rudy's not black?

[Xiao Yao You]

He does get bullied a lot. Jarrett Allen is abusing him tonight

He does? Poetl abuse him? :facepalm

[Vino24]

Rudy's not black?

He’s French

[Proctor]

He does? Poetl abuse him? :facepalm
Fortunately for Rudy, Daddy (LMA) was a DNP. Aldridge historically terrorizes Goober:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibv6H12px0E

[Xiao Yao You]

Fortunately for Rudy, Daddy (LMA) was a DNP. Aldridge historically terrorizes Goober:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibv6H12px0E

The best early performance by Rudy was on Aldridge.

[zeerghit]

The best early performance by Rudy was on Aldridge.

why you defending him so badly? do you really think he is worth 40+?

[Xiao Yao You]

why you defending him so badly? do you really think he is worth 40+?

3rd most important figure in Jazz history. Why would I not defend him? Carried a sorry ass franchise for more than 6 years. He's worth it if Westbrook is worth more and Mitchell is worth almost as much

[Proctor]

3rd most important figure in Jazz history. Why would I not defend him? Carried a sorry ass franchise for more than 6 years. He's worth it if Westbrook is worth more and Mitchell is worth almost as much
Stockton
Malone
Deron Williams
Boozer
Dantley

Off the top of my head...:oldlol:

[r0drig0lac]

Stockton
Malone
Deron Williams
Boozer
Dantley

Off the top of my head...:oldlol:

Eaton...Pistol Pete...

[Xiao Yao You]

Stockton
Malone
Deron Williams
Boozer
Dantley

Off the top of my head...:oldlol:

Karl, John and Gobert the big 3

[Xiao Yao You]

Eaton...Pistol Pete...

Eaton! :roll:

[Proctor]

Eaton...Pistol Pete...

:applause:

So maybe Gobert is 8th most important in Jazz history.

[Xiao Yao You]

:applause:

So maybe Gobert is 8th most important in Jazz history.

3rd. It's not even close. Not even Stockton/Malone carried a crappy team. They joined a playoff team

[zeerghit]

Stockton
Malone
Deron Williams
Boozer
Dantley

Off the top of my head...:oldlol:

ill take ak47 any day over that bum

[Xiao Yao You]

ill take ak47 any day over that bum

If AK hadn't peaked his all star season I might too. Unfortunately he did

[r0drig0lac]

ill take ak47 any day over that bum

:applause::oldlol:

[Proctor]

ill take ak47 any day over that bum
Good call.

That pushes Gobert to a consensus 9th

[Xiao Yao You]

Good call.

That pushes Gobert to a consensus 9th

a consensus of 2. Role players over all league/all D/DPOTY :roll:

[Vino24]

Mark Eaton is better as well

[Xiao Yao You]

Mark Eaton is better as well

Eaton sucked

[Vino24]

Eaton sucked

Eaton has been to the finals. Gobert hasn’t

[SATAN]

Eaton has been to the finals. Gobert hasn’t

https://media.giphy.com/media/nPObsTmeSTBv2/giphy.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

defensive rating



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 98.0 (5th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 98.7 (8th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 99.2 (3rd)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 99.5 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 100.4 (4th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 103.9 (8th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 98.9 (6th)



win share per 48



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) .206 (10th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) .250 (4th)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) .214 (11th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) .268 (2nd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) .221 (8th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) .221 (17th)




2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2016-17 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html) All-NBA (2nd)


2017-18 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2018-19 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html) All-NBA (3rd)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-Defensive (1st)


2019-20 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020.html) All-NBA (3rd)

2ptfg %



2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) .662 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) .669 (2nd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) .693 (2nd)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) .648 (13th)


Active (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg2_pct_active.html) .641 (2nd)


Career NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg2_pct_career.html) .641 (2nd)


Career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg2_pct_career.html) .641 (2nd)

true shooting %



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) .627 (6th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) .681 (1st)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) .657 (3rd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) .682 (1st)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) .699 (2nd)

total rebound %



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 20.7 (5th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 20.2 (6th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 21.8 (5th)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 18.8 (11th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 21.9 (4th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 21.6 (6th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 23.7 (3rd)

offensive win shares



2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 8.3 (10th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 8.7 (4th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 6.5 (5th)

box plus minus



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 4.2 (15th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 5.4 (14th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 3.6 (20th)

plus his league leading screen assist and dunk totals

elite or best in the league at D, rebounding, rim runnining and screening.

















:cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

offensive rating










2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 122.1 (8th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 129.1 (3rd)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 122.3 (14th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 132.9 (3rd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 130.3 (4th)

win shares



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 9.3 (15th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 14.3 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 14.4 (2nd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 10.7 (5th)

VORP



018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 4.8 (13th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 3.3 (12th)

blks per game



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 2.3 (3rd)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 2.2 (3rd)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 2.6 (1st)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 2.3 (3rd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 2.0 (6th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 2.2 (2nd)


Active (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_active.html) 2.2 (3rd)


Career NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_career.html) 2.2 (20th)


Career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/blk_per_g_career.html) 2.2 (21st)

FG%



2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) .661 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) .669 (1st)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) .693 (2nd)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) .648 (4th)


Active (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg_pct_active.html) .640 (2nd)


Career NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg_pct_career.html) .640 (2nd)


Career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg_pct_career.html) .640 (2nd)

player efficiency rating



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 21.6 (16th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 23.3 (18th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 24.6 (10th)


























defensive reb %



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 27.2 (7th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 27.7 (10th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 29.5 (6th)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 27.0 (15th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 30.2 (6th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 31.3 (6th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 35.5 (2nd)

[Xiao Yao You]

18 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)


2018-19 Defensive Player of the Year (https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html)

FTA



2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 476 (14th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 522 (6th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 403 (13th)

EFG%



016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) .661 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) .669 (1st)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) .693 (2nd)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) .648 (12th)


Active (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_active.html) .640 (2nd)


Career NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html) .640 (2nd)


Career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/efg_pct_career.html) .640 (2nd)





blk %



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 7.0 (1st)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 5.9 (3rd)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 6.4 (1st)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 6.0 (2nd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 5.8 (6th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 4.8 (10th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 5.7 (8th)

defensive win shares




2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 4.3 (9th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 3.8 (17th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 6.0 (1st)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 3.9 (12th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 5.7 (2nd)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 4.2 (3rd)

defensive box plus minus



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 2.5 (6th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 2.2 (8th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 2.2 (9th)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 2.5 (3rd)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 2.5 (5th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 1.9 (15th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 2.0 (10th)

off reb %



2014-15 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html) 14.3 (5th)


2015-16 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_leaders.html) 12.6 (10th)


2016-17 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017_leaders.html) 13.6 (5th)


2017-18 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_leaders.html) 10.4 (13th)


2018-19 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_leaders.html) 13.2 (7th)


2019-20 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html) 11.2 (12th)


2020-21 NBA (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_leaders.html) 10.4 (19th)

[It's A VC3!!!]

For a guy that has zero offensive moves, this is a rhetorical question. He's solid defensively and he rebounds decently for his length. Aside from that nothing special and certainly not worth even half of his contract.. But hey, I guess these owners love giving away money. Jazz are a solid team.

[Xiao Yao You]

Eaton has been to the finals. Gobert hasn’t

no Eaton hasn't. A big reason they went to the finals was because they weren't playing 4 on 5 at the offensive end anymore

[Xiao Yao You]

For a guy that has zero offensive moves, this is a rhetorical question. He's solid defensively and he rebounds decently for his length. Aside from that nothing special and certainly not worth even half of his contract.. But hey, I guess these owners love giving away money. Jazz are a solid team.

a solid player who few guys can match the numbers I just put up :roll:

[Kings2024Champs]

I jumped online to make this thread and its already been made, I love it here :cheers:

[zeerghit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-WdsvIN9mQ&ab_channel=FIBA-TheBasketballChannel