How can MJ be the GOAT if he never had a winning season without Pippen, END DEBATE

[NBASTATMAN]

WHAT KIND OF GOAT has never had a winning record without A TOP 20 PLAYER ALL TIME ON HIS TEAM.. LOL ... THE DEBATE IS OVER :banana::oldlol::lebronamazed::hammertime::djparty :

[Baller789]

WHAT KIND OF GOAT has never had a winning record without A TOP 20 PLAYER ALL TIME ON HIS TEAM.. LOL ... THE DEBATE IS OVER :banana::oldlol::lebronamazed::hammertime::djparty :
What kind of GOAT has a losing finals record?

[NBASTATMAN]

what kind of goat has a losing finals record?

the kind that doesnt lose int he first round over and over.. Lol.. Checkmate .. Lebron the GOAT.. Mj never even had a winning record in the regular season without pippen

[Baller789]

the kind that doesnt lose int he first round over and over.. Lol.. Checkmate .. Lebron the GOAT.. Mj never even had a winning record in the regular season without pippen
So Lebron is the GOAT runner up then?

[NBASTATMAN]

So Lebron is the GOAT runner up then?

LEBRON IS THE GOAT.. MJ should nt even be in consideration.. DUDE NEVER HAD A WINNING RECORD WITHOUT PIPPEN IN 5 YEARS.. LOL.. WHAT A SCRUB

[Baller789]

LEBRON IS THE GOAT.. MJ should nt even be in consideration.. DUDE NEVER HAD A WINNING RECORD WITHOUT PIPPEN IN 5 YEARS.. LOL.. WHAT A SCRUB
So Lebron never had a WINNING finals record FULL STOP.
Is he a SCRUB then?

[8Ball]

the kind that doesnt lose int he first round over and over.. Lol.. Checkmate .. Lebron the GOAT.. Mj never even had a winning record in the regular season without pippen

Lol didn't even have a winning regular season record without the big *** Pip?

[Baller789]

Lol didn't even have a winning regular season record without the big *** Pip?

See this. Your just regurgitating dumb points from agenda driven talking heads. At least be original man.

[Kiddlovesnets]

'cause he had Pippen since he entered prime? Not like MJ has to ask the front office to trade Pippen for someone else just to prove he can win without Pippen?
:facepalm

[NBASTATMAN]

the GOAT LEBRON has taken the LAKERS to the TITLE... MJ just asked for his SPACE JAM TO BE RERELEASED. LOL.... He Knows LEBRON PAST HIS ARSE ..

MJ DOESNT EVEN HAVE A WINNING RECORD IN THE REGULAR SEASON WITHOUT PIPPEN.. IN FIVE SEASONS.. WTF.. LOL...:hammertime::party::djparty:lebronamazed:

[Shooter]

What kind of "Goat" only makes 6 Finals with three 1st-round losses? Those with 10 or more Finals:

Russell
Kareem
LeBron

#SorryMike

[3ball]

It turns out that stars didn't need as much help in the 90's because expansion had spread the talent around, so 2-star contenders were the standard.. the goat wins alongside anyone in a 2-star format - so pippen was the lucky, low-producing bum that came along at the right time and won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery..

Otoh, MJ would've needed real help in the super-team 80's..

And again, MJ almost beat the 89' Pistons with just 10 on 39% from Pippen, so he would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen.. only MJ beat top teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so only MJ could've won with pippen

[tpols]

All he ever played with was Pippen lol. What a dumbass argument.

[3ball]

All he ever played with was Pippen lol. What a dumbass argument.
Agreed

Btw, no one won 3 Finals without a sidekick getting FMVP or 25-30 ppg in at least one Finals, so how could anyone win 3 with pippen, let alone 6?.. pippen wasn't capable of FMVP or 25-30 ppg

[NBASTATMAN]

All he ever played with was Pippen lol. What a dumbass argument.

hey idiot.. He had 4-5 seasons without PIPPEN.. And in WASHINGTON he played with all star players like Stack and Rip.. He also had larry hughes ..

[NBASTATMAN]

Agreed

Btw, no one won 3 Finals without a sidekick getting FMVP or 25-30 ppg in at least one Finals, so how could anyone win 3 with pippen, let alone 6?.. pippen wasn't capable of FMVP or 25-30 ppg

U MAD.. EVEN RAPPAPORT is slowly coming to LEBRONS side.. LOL... MJ cant be the GOAT if the scrub didnt have a winning record when PIPPEN WASNT ON HIS TEAM..

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He does rely on Pippen too much in my opinion. Would of never returned in 1995 if Pippen wasn't there, vanished after PIppen left in the 1998 off-season.

Brady won without Gronk, Kawhi won without Duncan.

[tpols]

Agreed

Btw, no one won 3 Finals without a sidekick getting FMVP or 25-30 ppg in at least one Finals, so how could anyone win 3 with pippen, let alone 6?.. pippen wasn't capable of FMVP or 25-30 ppg

Pippen sucked balls dude.

I don't care how much you want to hype him. Say he made All Star teams. Say he made All NBA teams. Say he was as good as prime Dwayne Wade and Anthony Davis. Nobody is buying your bullshit, guy. Michael Jordan went 6/6 with a rotary all star. No MVP talent. Won so much he got bored. Came back. And did it again.

You're not going to convince me otherwise.

[NBASTATMAN]

He does rely on Pippen too much in my opinion. Would of never returned in 1995 if Pippen wasn't there, vanished after PIppen left in the 1998 off-season.

Brady won without Gronk, Kawhi won without Duncan.

ALL TRUE.. He didnt want to play for another coach or anyone other than PIPPEN, CUZ he knew he wouldnt win .

[NBASTATMAN]

Pippen sucked balls dude.

I don't care how much you want to hype him. Say he made All Star teams. Say he made All NBA teams. Say he was as good as prime Dwayne Wade or Anthony Davis. Nobody is buying your bullshit, guy. Michael Jordan went 6/6 with a rotary all star. No MVP talent. Won so much he got bored. Came back. And did it again.

You're not going to convince me otherwise.

PIPPEN is a top 20 player all time.. HE WON CLOSE TO 60 GAMES WITHOUT MJ.. LOL... MJ wouldnt play without Pippen... FACTS

[tpols]

PIPPEN is a top 20 player all time.. HE WON CLOSE TO 60 GAMES WITHOUT MJ.. LOL... MJ wouldnt play without Pippen... FACTS

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y5T5CBCHrF8/maxresdefault.jpg

"Please come back"

:roll:

Pat Ewing sonned Pippen 1v1.

Shot away from 3-0.

[3ball]

Combo guards like Hughes need some ball-handling duties and therefore play well next to off-guards like Arenas

If Jordan got the same out of Hughes that Arenas did (22/5/5 and 1st team defense), then the Cavs would've won the 07' Finals..

Jordan could handle playing next to ball-handlers with spotty offense like Hughes or Pippen, and he inspired them defensively by his example, and also by empowering their offense (being the goat assist target).

Regardless, the 07' Finals had 3 straight close games to finish the series, with the Cavs losing 4th quarter leads in 2 of them.. lebron also lost 3 fourth quarter leads in the 09' ECF and 2 more in the 18' Finals.. his weaker scoring ability and jumpshot causes a need to defer, which reduces his control down the stretch of tight games.. 4/10

[NBASTATMAN]

Combo guards like Hughes need some ball-handling duties and therefore play well next to off-guards like Arenas

If Jordan got the same out of Hughes that Arenas did (22/5/5 and 1st team defense), then the Cavs would've won the 07' Finals..





If JORDAN could get hughes to do anything maybe they would have made the playoffs.. No winnin without Pippen.. MJ NO WINNING RECORD WITHOUT PIP ON HIS TEAM

[NBASTATMAN]

combo guards like hughes need some ball-handling duties and therefore play well next to off-guards like arenas

if jordan got the same out of hughes that arenas did (22/5/5 and 1st team defense), then the cavs would've won the 07' finals..

Jordan could handle playing next to ball-handlers with spotty offense like hughes or pippen, and he inspired them defensively by his example, and also by empowering their offense (being the goat assist target).

Regardless, the 07' finals had 3 straight close games to finish the series, with the cavs losing 4th quarter leads in 2 of them.. Lebron also lost 3 fourth quarter leads in the 09' ecf and 2 more in the 18' finals.. His weaker scoring ability and jumpshot causes a need to defer, which reduces his control down the stretch of tight games.. 4/10

even 3ball knows that mj didnt get anything out of hughes.. Lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

ALL TRUE.. He didnt want to play for another coach or anyone other than PIPPEN, CUZ he knew he wouldnt win .

Pippen also led the entire playoffs in defensive win shares for 3/6 rings. It was like having a young Tim Duncan on your team in terms of defense. Jordan just had to score like Parker/Manu. Throw in the triangle offense? Its a wrap, unbeatable team.

Kawhi on the other hand, he had to be Jordan and Pippen during his raptors title run. Nurse is a major dumbass compared to Phil as well, he has no offensive system and just uses peewee zone defenses.

[3ball]

even 3ball knows that mj didnt get anything out of hughes.. Lol

^^^ Old MJ.. he couldn't set the example like he did for pippen in 88' (dpoy and scoring champ)

Btw, stars didn't need as much help in the 90's because expansion had spread the talent around, so 2-star contenders were the standard.. the goat wins alongside anyone in a 2-star format - so pippen was the lucky, low-producing bum that came along at the right time and won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery..

Otoh, MJ would've needed real help in the super-team 80's..

And again, MJ almost beat the 89' Pistons with just 10 on 39% from Pippen, so he would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen.. only MJ beat top teams with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so only MJ could've won with pippen

[Axe]

Bran still has a couple of chips without james jones or jr smith, i believe.

Meanwhile, 3ball is the guy who thinks that doug collins is a better coach than phil jackson despite being ringless for his whole coaching career.

[LonelyOwl]

:cry:

:roll:

[3ball]

Bran still has a couple of chips without james jones or jr smith, i believe.

Meanwhile, 3ball is the guy who thinks that doug collins is a better coach than phil jackson despite being ringless for his whole coaching career.
Why didn't Phil advance further in 90' than Collins in 89', especially with pippen/grant being much better and the addition of BJ?

he was simply a laid-back guy that guys liked playing for, therefore keeping a group of guys together for dynasties.. surely it's better than playing for PJ Carlisemo or Bobby knight.. so once guys started winning rings, they had the power to say, "I won't play without Phil (the laid back guy)

so here's the reality - Doug Collins coached jordan just as they were coming out of the super-team 80's, while Phil was hired as they were entering the 2-star 90's, where MJ + anyone else would've won..

THAT'S why mj won with pippen's bum stats, so you don't need to make bogus excuse for pippen, aka b-b-but defense.. if defense was a real argument, the Lakers would've won with AD scoring like Pippen, since AD is a better defender than pippen.. but the Lakers would get destroyed if AD averaged 16 points on weak efficiency, like Pippen did for his career

Yet Collins still coached the Bulls to a near-win over Detroit in 89', despite 10 on 40% from Pippen.. so MJ would've won with anyone OTHER than pippen.. was a 1-star, low seed nearly beating a super-team..

[Axe]

:oldlol:

How many teams did collins lead to a championship?

[3ball]

:oldlol:

How many teams did collins lead to a championship?

Why didn't Phil advance further in 90' than Collins in 89', especially with pippen/grant being much better and the addition of BJ?

So Phil was simply a laid-back guy that guys liked playing for, therefore keeping a group of guys together for dynasties.. and his garbage triangle offense was unlocked by adding the goat bailout artists (no rings without MJ or his clone)..

surely it's better to play for a laid-back guy talking equal-opportunity than than playing for PJ Carlisemo or Bobby knight.. so once guys started winning rings, they had the power to say, "I won't play without Phil (the laid back guy)

so here's the reality - Doug Collins coached jordan just as they were coming out of the super-team 80's, while Phil was hired as they were entering the 2-star 90's, where MJ + anyone else would've won..

THAT'S why mj won with pippen's bum stats, so you don't need to make bogus excuse for pippen, aka b-b-but defense.. if defense was a real argument, the Lakers would've won with AD scoring like Pippen, since AD is a better defender than pippen.. but the Lakers would get destroyed if AD averaged 16 points on weak efficiency, like Pippen did for his career

[Baller789]

hey idiot.. He had 4-5 seasons without PIPPEN.. And in WASHINGTON he played with all star players like Stack and Rip.. He also had larry hughes ..

But why doesnt your GOAT have a winning record in the finals tho?

[Bronbron23]

WHAT KIND OF GOAT has never had a winning record without A TOP 20 PLAYER ALL TIME ON HIS TEAM.. LOL ... THE DEBATE IS OVER :banana::oldlol::lebronamazed::hammertime::djparty :

Another nice narrative from bron stans. You cant stay and play for the same team and players. Thats almost better than you have to have lots of runner ups. Whats next? You have to have the most travels and flops? These guys can turn anything into a positive. Can't make this stuff up.

[Axe]

Here's a better question, 3ball.

How many times did collins lead the wizards to postseason appearances.

At least phil led the lakers to seven finals trips after the dynasty.

[3ball]

Here's a better question, 3ball.

How many times did collins lead the wizards to postseason appearances.

At least phil led the lakers to seven finals trips after the dynasty.

How many trips without MJ or his clone?

No one has answered this..

What did the triangle do without a goat bailout artist? where was the triangle before MJ got a hold of it?

What did the triangle need when it couldn't get role-playing stiffs on the right spots? (Answer: goat bailout artist.. on 20% of possessions or more)

[Axe]

Lmao what clone of his are you talking about?

[3ball]

Lmao what clone of his are you talking about?

Take a guess

I thought you watched basketball

The triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needed a bailout on 20% of possessions or more . That's why it was a nothing offense before MJ and Kobe got a hold of it

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone - the goat bailout artists required of the triangle

[Axe]

It has to be lebron james who's far better in terms of longevity.

[3ball]

It has to be lebron james who's far better in terms of longevity.

Lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor and lacks the skills to be coachable (can't be taken off the ball to achieve the best strategy)

So try again

The triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needed a bailout on 20% of possessions or more - AND WITHIN THE TIGHT SPOTS OF THE TRIANGLE - no ball-domination allowed.. . That's why it was a nothing offense before MJ and Kobe got a hold of it

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone - the goat bailout artists and skill required of the triangle

[3ball]

lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor and lacks the skills to be coachable (can't be taken off the ball to achieve the best strategy)

So try again

The triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needed a bailout on 20% of possessions or more - AND WITHIN THE TIGHT SPOTS OF THE TRIANGLE - no ball-domination allowed.. . That's why it was a nothing offense before MJ and Kobe got a hold of it

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone - the goat bailout artists and skill required of the triangle




Ok wrap it up folks

Axe destroyed

We're done here

[FireDavidKahn]

Ok wrap it up folks

Axe destroyed

We're done here

You forgot to log on to your other account.

[8Ball]

Lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor and lacks the skills to be coachable (can't be taken off the ball to achieve the best strategy)

So try again

The triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needed a bailout on 20% of possessions or more - AND WITHIN THE TIGHT SPOTS OF THE TRIANGLE - no ball-domination allowed.. . That's why it was a nothing offense before MJ and Kobe got a hold of it

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone - the goat bailout artists and skill required of the triangle

Triangle is a system used when players have low passing abilities.

Jordan Ball is a system that leads to sub .500 basketball. No pippen no winning record.

[Axe]

Ok wrap it up folks

Axe destroyed

We're done here
Wow talk about being delusional

[Shooter]

Bran still has a couple of chips without james jones or jr smith, i believe.

Meanwhile, 3ball is the guy who thinks that doug collins is a better coach than phil jackson despite being ringless for his whole coaching career.

3ball stay taking Ls

[3ball]

Triangle is a system used when players have low passing abilities.

Jordan Ball is a system that leads to sub .500 basketball. No pippen no winning record.

Except Jordan was the passing leader of the bulls

He averaged equal assists to pippen, but assisted 30% more often because he can't assist on his own higher shot volume.. so MJ doubled pippen's playoff scoring average, and assisted 30% more often

And MJ was the guy called upon to start at PG when Sam Vincent went down early 1990... MJ averaged 30/9/11 in 24 games at PG and everyone was saying he was the best pg in the league already.. pippen can't do that.. pippen also didn't average 11 APG in the Finals or 33/8/8 like MJ Over n 89'.. So MJ is the guy with the passing credentials, not pipp-myth-en

[LonelyOwl]

MJ played 5 seasons without Pippen, in that span he

Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Missed playoffs
Missed playoffs

https://media.giphy.com/media/1mhU5F3dy9Dl2844N3/giphy.gif

[Axe]

After the '98 finals concluded, it's safe to assume that pippen still led in other categories that isn't scoring.

[Axe]

Lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor and lacks the skills to be coachable (can't be taken off the ball to achieve the best strategy)

So try again

The triangle put role players in optimal spots, but still needed a bailout on 20% of possessions or more - AND WITHIN THE TIGHT SPOTS OF THE TRIANGLE - no ball-domination allowed.. . That's why it was a nothing offense before MJ and Kobe got a hold of it

Phil has zero rings without MJ or his clone - the goat bailout artists and skill required of the triangle
Btw, how many rings does mj have outside of phil's coaching?

[Shooter]

MJ played 5 seasons without Pippen, in that span he

Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Missed playoffs
Missed playoffs

https://media.giphy.com/media/1mhU5F3dy9Dl2844N3/giphy.gif

Goodness is he even top 3 now?

https://i.postimg.cc/XYbLBJsm/yikes_90s.png

[LAmbruh]

MJ played 5 seasons without Pippen, in that span he

Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Missed playoffs
Missed playoffs

https://media.giphy.com/media/1mhU5F3dy9Dl2844N3/giphy.gif

:biggums::oldlol::roll::roll:

[3ball]

Btw, how many rings does mj have outside of phil's coaching?

Phil has none without MJ or his clone and MJ was the goat candidate when they first won in 91', while Phil was a 1st-time, nobody coach.. so MJ made phil

Phil was basically just lucky that his nothing-triangle landed on the goat bailout artist lineage it needed to rise out of obscurity.. the triangle had been around FOREVER

[Axe]

You didn't answer my question at all. :facepalm

[Baller789]

But why doesnt your GOAT have a winning record in the finals tho?
Any brats wanna have a go? Lol

[3ball]

You didn't answer my question at all. :facepalm

You haven't answered mine

How many without MJ or his clone?


You think it's coincidence that the triangle has been around for 75 years but had zero success outside a window from 1991-2010?


You think it's coincidence Phil needed MJ.... And then his clone too?.. lol that's pretty specific skillset to need

[Shooter]

Any brats wanna have a go? Lol

Why doesnt' your "goat" have a winning record without his #2 option? 1-9...

[Baller789]

Why doesnt' your "goat" have a winning record without his #2 option? 1-9...
Where is my GOAT tho? Hahaha!
I'm asking you to defend Lebron, but all you can do is deflect.

Too easy.

[Baller789]

MJ played 5 seasons without Pippen, in that span he

Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Lost in first round
Missed playoffs
Missed playoffs

https://media.giphy.com/media/1mhU5F3dy9Dl2844N3/giphy.gif
What happended to your superteams argument tho? Lol

[Axe]

You haven't answered mine

How many without MJ or his clone?


You think it's coincidence that the triangle has been around for 75 years but had zero success outside a window from 1991-2010?


You think it's coincidence Phil needed MJ.... And then his clone too?.. lol that's pretty specific skillset to need
You're playing dumb.

As head coach, phil didn't coach any other teams aside from the bulls and the lakers.

[Shooter]

Where is my GOAT tho? Hahaha!
I'm asking you to defend Lebron, but all you can do is deflect.

Too easy.

I only talk to top 3 card members, sorry.

Those to make 10 Finals (Top 3 Cemented)

LeBron
Kareem
Russell


6 and below are in the Kobe tier

[3ball]

Why doesnt' your "goat" have a winning record without his #2 option? 1-9...

MJ had an 8 seed and was a rookie - most guys miss the playoffs in their first few years and would lose if those teams made the 8 seed, so it means nothing

By his 3rd full season (88'), Jordan was a 50-win, 3 seed with the #3 defense and dpoy... if only he had the "Piston-killer" and FMVP James Worthy to beat the 88' Pistons instead of rookie pippen's 8 ppg.. then MJ would've 3-peated with worthy from 88-90'.. pippen was simply the lucky, low-producing bum that came along at the right time and won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery..

Fortunately, stars didn't need as much help in the 90's because expansion had spread the talent around, so 2-star contenders were the standard - this parity allowed MJ to win with the lowly pippen because obviously the goat wins alongside anyone in a 2-star format - so pippen was the lucky, low-producing bum that came along at the right time and won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery..

[Baller789]

You're playing dumb.

As head coach, phil didn't coach any other teams aside from the bulls and the lakers.

Whos the GOAT tho?

[3ball]

You're playing dumb.

As head coach, phil didn't coach any other teams aside from the bulls and the lakers.

The triangle was around for 75 years, but no championships except the small window it had the MJ lineage

75 years of the triangle but no rings without the MJ lineage

[Axe]

This fool really thinks the black mamba has the same surname as jordan. :lol

Too bad he wasn't 1-9 tho.

[3ball]

This fool really thinks the black mamba has the same surname as jordan. :lol

Translation: no mas

I accept your resignation from this debate and the tko victory

[Baller789]

This fool really thinks the black mamba has the same surname as jordan. :lol

Too bad he wasn't 1-9 tho.
Whos the GOAT tho?

[Axe]

Whos the GOAT tho?
In terms of total finals trips and rings won? Nothing comes close to bill russell.

[Baller789]

Translation: no mas

I accept your resignation from this debate and the tko victory

They're not the sharpest knives in The drawer buddy.

I joined this forum for some intelligent banter with Lebron supporters. So far I'm quite disappointed.

[Axe]

Translation: no mas

I accept your resignation from this debate and the tko victory
Fyi mj never won any chips outside of phil jackson's coaching

[Baller789]

In terms of total finals trips and rings won? Nothing comes close to bill russell.
No GOAT overall.

[Honor Boost]

They're not the sharpest knives in The drawer buddy.

I joined this forum for some intelligent banter with Lebron supporters. So far I'm quite disappointed.

You haven't added anything you just keep spamming 4-word sentences. I am sure the LeBron supporters wanted more out of you as well.

[Baller789]

You haven't added anything you just keep spamming 4-word sentences. I am sure the LeBron supporters wanted more out of you as well.

So wheres your response then?

[Honor Boost]

So wheres your response then?

What is your question then?

[3ball]

Fyi mj never won any chips outside of phil jackson's coaching

Triangle without MJ lineage (MJ or his clone) = 0 rings in 55 years

Triangle with MJ lineage = 11 rings in 17 years


^^^ that's better evidence than what you've presented with Lucky Phil

[Axe]

No GOAT overall.
I'm not a bran stan just in case you're wondering. But you seem to rant whenever someone has to mock about baldan's career.

[Honor Boost]

Triangle without MJ lineage (MJ or his clone) = 0 rings in 55 years

Triangle with MJ lineage = 11 rings in 17 years


^^^ that's better evidence than what you've presented with Lucky Phil

Embarrassing response, I'm not sure you're able to make sense if it is criticizing MJ in any way, shape, or form.

[Baller789]

What is your question then?
Why can't the GOAT James win more than he loses in the NBA finals.

[3ball]

Embarrassing response, I'm not sure you're able to make sense if it is criticizing MJ in any way, shape, or form.

It's an accurate response and I'm sorry if you can't see that it destroys your Phil argument

Phil didn't do shit in 1990 - he needed more expansion to take hold, so weaker casts could win, like MJ + bums like pip

[Baller789]

I'm not a bran stan just in case you're wondering. But you seem to rant whenever someone has to mock about baldan's career.
Triggered. Lol

So whos your overall best player?

[Honor Boost]

Why can't the GOAT James win more than he loses in the NBA finals.

Everyone loses more than they win (except for Russell). Russell played 13 seasons and was 11-2. Jordan played 15 so he was 6-9. LeBron is at 4-13 if we are doing things by wins/losses strictly. I don't think thats the best measure but if we do your method then clear to the day Russell is the GOAT. Your flawed thinking is simple.

You have defined winning as = Winning a Ring

BUT

You have defined losing as = Losing in the Finals

Which makes no sense. Losing is the opposite of winning, but there are degrees to losing. Second place and 16th place is not the same. A 1st round exit means you got 16th place. A Final loss means you got Second place. Rethink your mind you're behind on basic level thought. I should make a thread on this topic the more I extract the thinking Points.

Finals win: 1st place
Finals loss: 2nd place
WCF loss: 4th place
ECSF: 8th place
1st round loss: 16th place
Miss playoffs: 18th place ?

[Baller789]

Embarrassing response, I'm not sure you're able to make sense if it is criticizing MJ in any way, shape, or form.


Everyone loses more than they win (except for Russell). Russell played 13 seasons and was 11-2. Jordan played 15 so he was 6-9. LeBron is at 4-13 if we are doing things by wins/losses strictly. I don't think thats the best measure but if we do your method then clear to the day Russell is the GOAT. Your flawed thinking is simple.

You have defined winning as = Winning a Ring

BUT

You have defined losing as = Losing in the Finals

Which makes no sense. Losing is the opposite of winning, but there are degrees to losing. Second place and 16th place is not the same. A 1st round exit means you got 16th place. A Final loss means you got Second place. Rethink your mind you're behind on basic level thought. I should make a thread on this topic the more I extract the thinking Points.

Finals win: 1st place
Finals loss: 2nd place
WCF loss: 4th place
ECSF: 8th place
1st round loss: 16th place
Miss playoffs: 18th place ?

Your deflecting.

My argument was why does he lose more than he wins in the finals.

You posted a lot of non related bs.

[NBASTATMAN]

Mj couldnt even muster a winning record without pippen. No winnin without pippen... Lol

[Baller789]

Mj couldnt even muster a winning record without pippen. No winnin without pippen... Lol

So why can't your boyfriend be efficient enough to win more championships?

[light]

WHAT KIND OF GOAT has never had a winning record without A TOP 20 PLAYER ALL TIME ON HIS TEAM.. LOL ... THE DEBATE IS OVER :banana::oldlol::lebronamazed::hammertime:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif

[Shooter]

Mj couldnt even muster a winning record without pippen. No winnin without pippen... Lol

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif

[Baller789]

Last 2 posts just prove that whenever low iq posters have no rebuttal, resort to posting gifs instead of arguments.

At least make it challenging guys. Lol

[LAmbruh]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif


https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif

[Shooter]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/dtnd0y8HUgwsIjm4ZZ/source.gif

LeFam stay winning my man :cheers:


Its wins on top of wins for the bois

HOW WE DOIN BOIS

HOW
WE
LIVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

[Shooter]

A one for ten (1-9) players hopes of winning were in danger. With a career in shambles and three first round sweeps it looked like nothing could save this career loser until ALONG CAME SCOTTIE

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg

[Baller789]

A one for ten (1-9) players hopes of winning were in danger. With a career in shambles and three first round sweeps it looked like nothing could save this career loser until ALONG CAME SCOTTIE

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23has-Asavior-PIP.jpg
Hows Lebron doing? Must be nice having all those runner's up trophies bruh.

[Mr. Woke]

MJ stans in shambles lmao!

3ball seething so hard that he is gonna make 3 more alternate accounts in order to prop up MJ's fading legacy.

3ball gon be workin overtime.

[8Ball]

Hows Lebron doing? Must be nice having all those runner's up trophies bruh.

How is LeBron doing?

He just won a chip. Prolly jizzing all over the trophy right now :lol

[Baller789]

How is LeBron doing?

He just won a chip. Prolly jizzing all over the trophy right now :lol

Whats funny is that his runner's up trophy cabinet is actually bigger than his championship cabinet.

LMAO!!!

[Shooter]

Hows Lebron doing? Must be nice having all those runner's up trophies bruh.


I don't know you tell me young blood :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/gJwFLjsj/Le-Unbreakable-Top1.png

[BigtimeNBAFan]

I love that Lebron got his 4th title and eliminated all the stupid "Kawhi is better than Lebron" nonsense. I do miss those discussions. They were a lot more fun than the Jordan vs Lebron threads that just go into constant debates about how good Scottie Pippen was.

Pippen was a great player, but Jordan has the right to have great teammates just as Anthony Davis is a great player and Lebron has the right to have great teammates. If winning titles without elite teammates are the only criteria than the GOAT discussion should be between Dirk and Hakeem. Kobe never won a title without an all nba teammate. Duncan had teammates that made several all nba teams. Magic and Larry were on loaded teams. Dirk and Hakeem is your GOAT debate if having elite teammates disqualifies guys.

[k 96]

lehype 4 of 10 james

[Baller789]

lehype 4 of 10 james
Can't even win half of his attempts. If this was boxing he would be labelled a bottler.

[Shooter]

I don't know you tell me young blood :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/gJwFLjsj/Le-Unbreakable-Top1.png

Anyone?

[Baller789]

Anyone?

Where's his finals win%?

[8Ball]

Anyone?

Points will be unbreakable.

You need someone to make 10+ finals while averaging 28ppg.

LeBron playoff points is the most unbreakable record.

[Baller789]

Points will be unbreakable.

You need someone to make 10+ finals while averaging 28ppg.

LeBron playoff points is the most unbreakable record.
Hey 8ball what is Lebrons accumulated finals record?

You could just say your too embarased to say it and I'll let it slide.

[TheCorporation]

I don't know you tell me young blood :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/gJwFLjsj/Le-Unbreakable-Top1.png

Always the silencer. MJ stains shook

[TheCorporation]

Hey 8ball what is Lebrons accumulated finals record?

You could just say your too embarased to say it and I'll let it slide.

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?

4-6 > 1-9

Checkmate noob

[Baller789]

Always the silencer. MJ stains shook

Hey Corp! You might wanna help your boyfriend 8ball here

[TheCorporation]

Hey Corp! You might wanna help your boyfriend 8ball here...
What is Lebrons finals record?

Sure thing. 4-6

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen? 1-9?!

4-6 > 1-9

Checkmate noob

[Baller789]

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?

4-6 > 1-9

Checkmate noob
Could you checkmate when your not playing on the same board?

Geee, your easy work.
How disappointing.

[TheCorporation]

Sure thing. 4-6

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen? 1-9?!

4-6 > 1-9

Checkmate noob

Anyone? :D

[Phoenix]

Baller, welcome to ISH. You have 63 posts a day. This is heart-attack pace dude.

[TheCorporation]

Baller, welcome to ISH. You have 63 posts a day. This is heart-attack pace dude.

:lol :lol

Baller 789 Alt is out of control

[Baller789]

Anyone? :D
Hello Corp!
4-6
Not very impressive tho.

[TheCorporation]

Hello Corp!
4-6
Not very impressive tho.

I've got you cornered now :)

Your turn cutie pie

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?

[NBASTATMAN]

i've got you cornered now :)

your turn cutie pie

what is mj's record in his 5 years without pippen?

i know its a losing record.. Lol...

[Axe]

I've got you cornered now :)

Your turn cutie pie

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?
He's shookt he didn't answer :lol

[Shooter]

I've got you cornered now :)

Your turn cutie pie

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?




He's shookt he didn't answer :lol

+1

Baby boi ran away shooketh :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

+1

baby boi ran away shooketh :roll:

they scared to answer

[Baller789]

I've got you cornered now :)

Your turn cutie pie

What is MJ's record in his 5 years without Pippen?

1-9 😂

[NBASTATMAN]

bump

[Full Court]

bump

Hmmmmmm, do you not realize that it's a team sport? How's Brony doing with his supporting cast?

Here, check this out. It will help you stop making unintelligent threads:

https://basketballgem.com/learn-basketball/

[Spurs m8]

What debate?

Bron isn't in the debate?lmfao


Never was, never will be

[kawhileonard2]

Did Pippen win league, finals mvp or DPOY at all? If not then what does it matter? He turned a team into a dynasty without having a player who won league, finals or DPOY on the squad.

[kawhileonard2]

Anyone? :D

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html



6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500799-6-rings-in-11-full-seasons-without-super-teams-gt-4-in-19-with-them&p=14512408&viewfull=1#post14512408

Lebron quit on the Cavs and they burned his jersey and held his family hostage. He also only won 1 title for the franchise that drafted him which is pathetic in 11 years. Imagine someone getting credit when they lose with Shaq and only get to round 2 and they lose with peak Duncan getting bronze medal.

[TheCorporation]

Wrap

:dancin

It

:hammertime:

UP!

MJ top 7, that's it

[kawhileonard2]

Wrap it up.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.





Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats



Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry



Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html



"The weatherman says the weather is changing soon and predicts a thunderstorm," LeBron wrote alongside a photo of himself and Anthony Davis. "It's coming. Prepare and take proper caution measures to stay safe."





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html



6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500799-6-rings-in-11-full-seasons-without-super-teams-gt-4-in-19-with-them&p=14512408&viewfull=1#post14512408

Lebron quit on the Cavs and they burned his jersey and held his family hostage. He also only won 1 title for the franchise that drafted him which is pathetic in 11 years. Imagine someone getting credit when they lose with Shaq and only get to round 2 and they lose with peak Duncan getting bronze medal.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

6 rings in 11 full seasons without super-teams > 4 in 19 with them

/thread.

People forget about this. Mike only played 17/18 games in 86/95, and missed a ton in 02. 11 full seasons and he wins it all more than half of the time. Think about this: Lebron has played 55 Finals games and only won 22 of them. 22 wins 33 losses. The Goat? 24 wins and 11 losses. But, longevity stats doh...

[TheCorporation]

Wrap

:dancin

It

:hammertime:

UP!

MJ top 7, that's it

/thread

[Roundball_Rock]

He got to .500 (30-30, 9-9) a few times without Pippen. Does that count for something :lol ?

[Roundball_Rock]

hey idiot.. He had 4-5 seasons without PIPPEN.. And in WASHINGTON he played with all star players like Stack and Rip.. He also had larry hughes ..

5 seasons and had talent around him in each of them. Woolridge was the 6th pick and a 25 PPG guy at his peak. Oakley a future all-star who put up 20/15 in one of his Bulls playoff runs. An 18 PPG caliber third option in Quintin. George Gervin put up 18 when Jordan was out for 65 games. Prime Stack, prime Rip in DC.

[FromDowntown]

He got to .500 (30-30, 9-9) a few times without Pippen. Does that count for something :lol ?

no i dont think so :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Lol at these idiots who still haven't figured out that basketball is a team sport.

By the way, how's Brony doing with 3 other future hall of famers on his team?

[Round Mound]

Lol at these idiots who still haven't figured out that basketball is a team sport.

By the way, how's Brony doing with 3 other future hall of famers on his team?

This

[TheGoatest]

No player in history has a contrast between winning and losing without a single teammate throughout his career as Jordan does with and without The Great Scott Pippen. No player.

[8Ball]

Lol at these idiots who still haven't figured out that basketball is a team sport.

By the way, how's Brony doing with 3 other future hall of famers on his team?

1-9 is Jordan's playoff record without Pippen.

[Full Court]

Lebron did it.

Finally. Been waiting 25 years for someone to surpass Jordan and it happened in my lifetime.

Hang in there. If you wait another 10 years, Giannis might pass up MJ. You won't have to cry yourself to sleep at night for too much longer.

[TheGoatest]

Hang in there. If you wait another 10 years, Giannis might pass up MJ. You won't have to cry yourself to sleep at night for too much longer.

Giannis will certainly have to pass MJ before he passes LeBron, that's for sure. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Giannis will certainly have to pass MJ before he passes LeBron, that's for sure. :oldlol:

Unless he gets injury problems. Giannis will most likely pass up Brony within 5 years. He's already got a higher quality ring than any of Brony's.

[8Ball]

Giannis will certainly have to pass MJ before he passes LeBron, that's for sure. :oldlol:

Yup. Before Giannis can pass LeBron he has to pass MJ first.

[Hey Yo]

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People forget about this. Mike only played 17/18 games in 86/95, and missed a ton in 02. 11 full seasons and he wins it all more than half of the time. Think about this: Lebron has played 55 Finals games and only won 22 of them. 22 wins 33 losses. The Goat? 24 wins and 11 losses. But, longevity stats doh...

MJ needed 20+ months off, in his prime. in order to continue his NBA career. Zero chance he wins 6 while playing from 1987-1998.

13 consecutive seasons played by MJ?? Good luck with that.

[3ba11]

MJ needed 20+ months off, in his prime. in order to continue his NBA career. Zero chance he wins 6 while playing from 1987-1998.

13 consecutive seasons played by MJ?? Good luck with that.


He wasn't physically hurt in 1994 - he could've played but simply had the unprecedented luxury of retiring

The retirement HURT his game - he wasn't nearly as dominant when he returned from 2 years of swinging bats and had to completely change his game

Heck, Jordan cost himself a guaranteed 4-peat by retiring

[Baller789]

MJ needed 20+ months off, in his prime. in order to continue his NBA career. Zero chance he wins 6 while playing from 1987-1998.

13 consecutive seasons played by MJ?? Good luck with that.

Hey, maybe if his dad didn't get murdered for whatever reason and he stopped playing D, played for offensive stats while he played PG, he could have lasted longer. Who knows.

[Axe]

Unless he gets injury problems. Giannis will most likely pass up Brony within 5 years. He's already got a higher quality ring than any of Brony's.
Lol you have kong top five at the most. That's pretty cringe.