why doesn't Curry's 5 straight Finals in West get praised like Lebron's 8 in East

[3ball]

and Curry actually winning 3 of the 5 Finals isn't praised as much as Lebron's 3 in 9 Finals

aka double standard, bias, LeFraud

ultimately, we know that 1-star teams routinely won the East and so Lebron had an unfair advantage with a "big 3", while Curry's big 3's were facing other big 3's or big 2's in the tougher West

[GrayGoat]

That’s two more than MJ could manage

[red1]

except the warriors were and are praised for making 5 straight finals...


I caught the finals last year I think I'd actually remember...

[warriorfan]

and Curry actually winning 3 of the 5 Finals isn't praised as much as Lebron's 3 in 9 Finals

aka double standard, bias, LeFraud

ultimately, we know that 1-star teams routinely won the East and so Lebron had an unfair advantage with a "big 3", while Curry's big 3's were facing other big 3's or big 2's in the tougher West

Because it’s the only manufactured criteria that could be used to prop up a career loser like LeBron.

[3ball]

except the warriors were and are praised for making 5 straight finals...


I caught the finals last year I think I'd actually remember...

curry should get the same or more praise than lebron for giving teams a higher ceiling (better Finals record)..

being good at winning the conference finals is inferior to being good at winning Finals

[GrayGoat]

Because Durant was the best player on them warriors

[3ball]

Because Durant was the best player on them warriors

being the best player doesn't matter apparently - look at Lebron's ring this year, or Kobe's first 2 rings, or Shaq's 3rd and 4th, or virtually everyone except the goat (who was the best player in 6/6 championship runs)..

only the goat was the best player in every Finals - Curry can't be measured by that standard because no one else is (lebron isn't being knocked for getting out-produced by AD)

[SATAN]

1-9

[Shooter]

Well this is awkward...

OP didn't know Curry teamed up with the former MVP for 2 of those runs and top 3 player in the league at the time.

And...5 is less than 8. The modern record is 8

LBJ = 8
Curry = 5
Shaq = 3
MJ = 3

Got it?

[warriorfan]

Well this is awkward...

OP didn't know Curry teamed up with the former MVP for 2 of those runs and top 3 player in the league at the time.

And...5 is less than 8. The modern record is 8

LBJ = 8
Curry = 5
Shaq = 3
MJ = 3

Got it?

Lebron joined with a previous Finals MVP and #2 PER in the league then lost with a fully healthy squad and got outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals.

[3ball]

OP didn't know Curry teamed up with the former MVP for 2 of those runs and top 3 player in the league at the time.




only the goat was the best player in every Finals - Curry can't be measured by that standard because no one else is (lebron isn't knocked for getting out-produced by AD this year, or wade in 2011.. Kobe and Shaq don't get knocked for being sidekicks, etc, etc)






And...5 is less than 8. The modern recolrd is 8 Finals appearances


LBJ = 8
Curry = 5
Shaq = 3
MJ = 3




curry and others should get more praise than lebron for giving teams a higher ceiling (better Finals record), aka better teams... higher ceiling = higher long run championship expectation = better player

lebron does a great job of dribbling his way to a certain caliber of team - but his ball-dominance prevents the best brand of ball, thereby limiting team ceiling and long run championship expectation (struggles to win on championship level, aka 18-31, worst of modern era)... indeed - being good at winning the conference finals is inferior to being good at winning Finals (the best team ceiling)

got it?
.

[Stanley Kobrick]

because we can't find one iconic playoff moment from stephen curry in all of his career

[3ball]

because we can't find one iconic playoff moment from stephen curry in all of his career

when did lebron hit the big shot in the Finals?

Fact: 17 years and 10 Finals but no big shots in the Finals

Conclusion: lebron isn't good enough to hit big shots or "takeover" in the clutch on the championship level




btw - Shooter - you were destroyed above.. checking for a pulse...

[SouBeachTalents]

when did lebron hit the big shot in the Finals?

Fact: 17 years and 10 Finals but no big shots in the Finals

Conclusion: lebron isn't good enough to hit big shots or "takeover" in the clutch on the championship level




btw - Shooter - you were destroyed above.. checking for a pulse...
https://i.gifer.com/CI0O.gif

[red1]

https://i.gifer.com/CI0O.gif

wow that was easy. :oldlol:


https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/8301ad21d9b18bbd-here-s-every-single-shot-lebron-made-in-game-7-in-one-gif.gif

[Gohan]

3 ball continues to be the best poster on this board:cheers:

[3ball]

https://i.gifer.com/CI0O.gif

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals (0%)

no big shots and 0%.. aka jittery in clutch

otoh

MJ was 4-8... aka 50%... aka same as regular season.. aka ice water in veins during clutch

[red1]

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals (0%)

no big shots and 0%.. aka jittery in clutch

otoh

MJ was 4-8... aka 50%... aka same as regular season.. aka ice water in veins during clutch

why are you changing the criteria? you said he didnt have any big shots in the finals... what? :oldlol:


https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/8301ad21d9b18bbd-here-s-every-single-shot-lebron-made-in-game-7-in-one-gif.gif

[FKAri]

Cuz no one respects The West since it's trash. 2 years in and Bron's bout to grab the easiest ring of his life.

[Axe]

because we can't find one iconic playoff moment from stephen curry in all of his career
This.

[red1]

Cuz no one respects The West since it's trash. 2 years in and Bron's bout to grab the easiest ring of his life.

:oldlol: :applause:

[3ball]

wow that was easy. :oldlol:


https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/8301ad21d9b18bbd-here-s-every-single-shot-lebron-made-in-game-7-in-one-gif.gif

^^ regular shots down the stretch don't count

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals.. kyrie has more in 1/5 the Finals appearances.. mj was 4-8 in 6 Finals, so imagine if he colluded his way to 10 (teamed up with AD, er Duncan in 99')

[red1]

^^ regular shots down the stretch don't count

lebron is 0-8 on game-winners or game-tyers in the Finals.. kyrie has more in 1/5 the Finals appearances.. mj was 4-8 in 6 Finals, so imagine if he colluded his way to 10 (teamed up with AD, er Duncan in 99')

this is what you posted:


when did lebron hit the big shot in the Finals?

Fact: 17 years and 10 Finals but no big shots in the Finals

Conclusion: lebron isn't good enough to hit big shots or "takeover" in the clutch on the championship level

and then when you get proven wrong:

https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/8301ad21d9b18bbd-here-s-every-single-shot-lebron-made-in-game-7-in-one-gif.gif



"buh buh it doesnt count" :oldlol:

[3ball]

only the goat was the best player in every Finals - Curry can't be measured by that standard because no one else is (lebron isn't knocked for getting out-produced by AD this year, or wade in 2011.. Kobe and Shaq don't get knocked for being sidekicks, etc, etc)



curry and others should get more praise than lebron for giving teams a higher ceiling (better Finals record), aka better teams... higher ceiling = higher long run championship expectation = better player

lebron does a great job of dribbling his way to a certain caliber of team - but his ball-dominance prevents the best brand of ball, thereby limiting team ceiling and long run championship expectation (struggles to win on championship level, aka 18-31, worst of modern era)...

indeed - being good at winning the conference finals is inferior to being good at winning Finals (the best team ceiling)


.

Shooter?

[3ball]

this is what you posted:



and then when you get proven wrong:

https://cdn.lowgif.com/small/8301ad21d9b18bbd-here-s-every-single-shot-lebron-made-in-game-7-in-one-gif.gif



"buh buh it doesnt count" :oldlol:

yes by "big shot", I meant game-winners or game-tyers (0-8 for bron... 0%)

otherwise, guys like JR Smith and Boobie Gibson have plenty of shots like the one you posted

[warriorfan]

yes by "big shot", I meant game-winners or game-tyers (0-8 for bron... 0%)

otherwise, guys like JR Smith and Boobie Gibson have plenty of shots like the one you posted

I guess when you are a LeBron stan, hitting a couple of routine midrange jumpers vs an ancient spurs team is something to be highly praised for.

Those lowered expectations.

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg

Whoops

[Shooter]

Lebron joined with a previous Finals MVP and #2 PER in the league then lost with a fully healthy squad and got outscored by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals.

Wade's last four playoff runs before LeBron:

2007
2008
2009
2010

Which year did he ever get to the Finals? None
Okay fine, which year did he get out of the 1st round? None

Know your history

[Shooter]

https://i.gifer.com/CI0O.gif

ooooooh killem

OP body bagged

And he didn't shoot that over Craig Ehlo or Byron Russell, literally shot it over the greatest perimeter defender in league history

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/Jnd16J6V/Bron-gw-post.jpg

Whoops


^^^ That required a lot more games and on the last possession (last 24 seconds), MJ is the most lethal/likely to win the game:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif


And for the Finals only, Lebron is 0-8 (0% to win the game in the championship) while MJ is 4-8 (50% to win the game, so no drop-off under pressure)


And MJ was far more clutch in the last 5 minutes of tight games:



Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001

134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals).. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals).. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game


Old MJ had much higher clutch efficiency and attempts than Lebron - the goat in tight games

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game

[Spurs m8]

Because we all know the double standards and mental gymnastics the stans use to prop up their boy

[nineiron]

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travel

watch carefully, he shuffles his feet just before the shot.

LeTravel, what's new.

[Axe]

3ball not watching basketball anymore since the last decade makes me doubt his credibility as a worthy poster

[3ball]

3ball not watching basketball anymore since the last decade makes me doubt his credibility as a worthy poster

except I provide video evidence, aka body cams of my analysis.


The rules say that Iggy and Kawhi can't "affect a player's movement" in any way by hand-checking - so lebron has plenty of room, aka hands-off defense:


https://media.giphy.com/media/Nk5px4380siVa/giphy.gif

https://i.gifer.com/CI0O.gif



Otoh, Jordan's movement is significantly impeded by legal hand-checking - hard game:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



Also, Lebron enjoys a wide open paint on every possession due to 3-point shooting teammates and defensive 3 seconds:


https://media.giphy.com/media/SBoU7XAFaW4nK/giphy.gif



Otoh, Jordan faced a packed paint because he didn't have 3-point shooting teammates and paint-camping was legal:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/8-30-2015/B_wITa.gif



It couldn't be clearer - Jordan played in a tougher environment - today's game looks like child's play with the wide open spacing and hands-off defense.. It's a joke..

That's why most pundits, coaches and also current or former players say Jordan would average 40 in today's game.
.

[3ball]

travel

watch carefully, he shuffles his feet just before the shot.

LeTravel, what's new.

exactly.. a herky-jerky jumper with bad footwork - looks like beginner jumpshooting skill

not smooth or fluid... lebron is like deontay wilder and curry is the fluid fury

[GrayGoat]

4th chip incoming

[Shooter]

4th chip incoming

Most
MVP win shares
Playoff points
Game Winners

AND a 4th chip incoming? This is just pouring more dirt on MJ's coffin now.

RIP Jordan's GOAT status

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZvUc2UBuAGmPol0udh/giphy.gif

[Bronbron23]

and Curry actually winning 3 of the 5 Finals isn't praised as much as Lebron's 3 in 9 Finals

aka double standard, bias, LeFraud

ultimately, we know that 1-star teams routinely won the East and so Lebron had an unfair advantage with a "big 3", while Curry's big 3's were facing other big 3's or big 2's in the tougher West

Because he was never the best player in the league.

[Stanley Kobrick]

stephen curry doesn't have one memorable playoff moment in 5 combined Finals runs. 20 different series, not one sequence anyone can point to and say wow, remember when stephen curry had the shot, block, steal, buzzer beater, game saving defense or clutch rebound. this is what define legends