Peak Kobe vs Peak Wade

[Turbo Slayer]

Who is the better player?

:pimp:

[ImKobe]

Who is the better player?

:pimp:

Lebron.

[Rysio]

You take away driving to the rim and Wade becomes a role player, do that to Kobe and he's still one of the goats. Not that close really to me.

[Uncle Drew]

You take away driving to the rim and Wade becomes a role player, do that to Kobe and he's still one of the goats. Not that close really to me.

This logic isn't bad, it's godawful.

[ImKobe]

You take away driving to the rim and Wade becomes a role player, do that to Kobe and he's still one of the goats. Not that close really to me.

Exactly. Wade's very limited in comparison. Better athletically? Sure. He can't hold a candle to Kobe skill-wise, which is why he's always put Kobe ahead of him.

[Phoenix]

You take away driving to the rim and Wade becomes a role player, do that to Kobe and he's still one of the goats. Not that close really to me.

Driving to the rim is a crucial part of the game. Why would you remove it to manufacture a deficit in this manner?

[Uncle Drew]

Exactly. Wade's very limited in comparison. Better athletically? Sure. He can't hold a candle to Kobe skill-wise, which is why he's always put Kobe ahead of him.

Of course the forum clown agrees. :oldlol: You can't just remove an entire portion of the game.

[ImKobe]

Of course the forum clown agrees. :oldlol: You can't just remove an entire portion of the game.

Kobe's just a more skilled basketball player. Wade himself has said this, Lebron said this when he was at his peak in 2009.. Only the trolls on this forum seem to claim otherwise.

Wade's pretty ****ing close to peak Kobe and probably the closest any guard's been since MJ, but you can't overlook the difference in skill. Peak Wade was a 31.7% 3PT shooter at 3.5 3PA(best percentage he ever shot until his final season) and 76.5% from the FT line. These things matter.

[Smook A.]

You take away driving to the rim and Wade becomes a role player, do that to Kobe and he's still one of the goats. Not that close really to me.

This is like saying take away the mid-range game and Kobe becomes a role player. Your logic is horrible and makes no sense.

[Rysio]

Driving to the rim is a crucial part of the game. Why would you remove it to manufacture a deficit in this manner?

Late in games some teams can stop players getting to the rim and that's where Wade will become role player while Kobe will stay a superstar.

[Uncle Drew]

Kobe's just a more skilled basketball player. Wade himself has said this, Lebron said this when he was at his peak in 2009.. Only the trolls on this forum seem to claim otherwise.

Wade's pretty ****ing close to peak Kobe and probably the closest any guard's been since MJ, but you can't overlook the difference in skill. Peak Wade was a 31.7% 3PT shooter at 3.5 3PA(best percentage he ever shot until his final season) and 76.5% from the FT line. These things matter.

Yes, they matter, just like driving to the basket matters.

[Uncle Drew]

Late in games some teams can stop players getting to the rim and that's where Wade will become role player while Kobe will stay a superstar.

Didn't stop 09 Wade from being lethal in the clutch.

[Rysio]

This is like saying take away the mid-range game and Kobe becomes a role player. Your logic is horrible and makes no sense.

Kobe was great at driving to the rim so he wouldn't become a role player

[warriorfan]

Wade needed Shaq and lebron

Kobe needed Pau Gasol

[Phoenix]

Late in games some teams can stop players getting to the rim and that's where Wade will become role player while Kobe will stay a superstar.

Wade at his peak was playing better against the same Celtics team that Kobe had sub par finals against. And thats because Wade was able to slash and attack the heart of the defense better. Lebron struggled with that same team. It's all fine to say 'if you can stop it', but how often was that the case in Wade's prime? Clearly not enough for him to not be a top 3 player.

[Rysio]

This thread is a joke peak wade lost to the Atlanta f*cking hawks as a favourite. If Kobe ever lost to that pathetic hawks team he would be known as the biggest choker of all time.

[scuzzy]

This thread is a joke peak wade lost to the Atlanta f*cking hawks as a favourite. If Kobe ever lost to that pathetic hawks team he would be known as the biggest choker of all time.

Kobe lost to Steve Nash without Amare, multiple times.

[Uncle Drew]

This thread is a joke peak wade lost to the Atlanta f*cking hawks as a favourite. If Kobe ever lost to that pathetic hawks team he would be known as the biggest choker of all time.

Kobe blew a 3-1 lead.

[ImKobe]

Yes, they matter, just like driving to the basket matters.

But Kobe wasn't that far off as a finisher. Wade's at 65.5% inside 3 ft for his career to Kobe's 63.4% and Kobe has a huge edge in shooting from mid-range and on 3s. Kobe also was the playmaker on title teams if you want to get to that point and Kobe at his peak was also an elite defensive player. What's the argument for Wade again?


Kobe blew a 3-1 lead.

Wade had no trouble blowing a 2 - 1 lead in the Finals with peak Lebron & Bosh on his side. Weren't they up in Game 4, and proceeded to completely blow it in the 4th with a 14-point quarter?

[Uncle Drew]

But Kobe wasn't that far off as a finisher. Wade's at 65.5% inside 3 ft for his career to Kobe's 63.4% and Kobe has a huge edge in shooting from mid-range and on 3s. Kobe also was the playmaker on title teams if you want to get to that point and Kobe at his peak was also an elite defensive player. What's the argument for Wade again?

His entire 2009 season, probably.

[warriorfan]

But Kobe wasn't that far off as a finisher. Wade's at 65.5% inside 3 ft for his career to Kobe's 63.4% and Kobe has a huge edge in shooting from mid-range and on 3s. Kobe also was the playmaker on title teams if you want to get to that point and Kobe at his peak was also an elite defensive player. What's the argument for Wade again?

That he got fouled a lot in the Finals

:lol

[Rysio]

Kobe lost to Steve Nash without Amare, multiple times.

That sun's team could've won a ring the hawks team wouldn't even make the playoffs in the west.

[Phoenix]

This thread is a joke peak wade lost to the Atlanta f*cking hawks as a favourite. If Kobe ever lost to that pathetic hawks team he would be known as the biggest choker of all time.

That's about the only critique you could make that season, and it's not like Wade didnt have complete trash around him. 2009 was one of the best two-way peak seasons for any shooting guard, ever.

[ImKobe]

His entire 2009 season, probably.

So a 43-win season that culminated in a first round loss against the Hawks. Brilliant.

[Uncle Drew]

So a 43-win season that culminated in a first round loss against the Hawks. Brilliant.

So a 45-win season that culminated in a first round loss, losing a 3-1 lead in the process, against the Amar'e-less Suns. Brilliant.

Two can play that game.

[Uncle Drew]

That he got fouled a lot in the Finals

:lol

Yes, I too think that what transpired in 2006 is relatable to a season in 2009.

[ImKobe]

So a 45-win season that culminated in a first round reason, losing a 3-1 lead in the process, against the Amar'e-less Suns. Brilliant.

Two can play that game.

Kobe had 50 in a game that should have been the clincher. He lost against a 2-seed. Kobe also has multiple peak seasons I can reference to, some of which resulted in championships. Wade averaged 28/6/6 to win a title post-rule changes at age 24. Kobe at 21 averaged 29/7/6 and beat much better opponents.

So Wade's peak is him averaging worse numbers in the POs than RS and losing in the first round against a 47-win team led by Joe Johnson, Yikes.

[Turbo Slayer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/92/7a/96927a4f13097f2d2df95092af3601a8.jpg

VS

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/180823-81.jpg?w=756&h=440

[warriorfan]

Trolling aside they are so close you could pick either one. They are very similar matched players.

[Uncle Drew]

But Kobe wasn't that far off as a finisher. Wade's at 65.5% inside 3 ft for his career to Kobe's 63.4% and Kobe has a huge edge in shooting from mid-range and on 3s. Kobe also was the playmaker on title teams if you want to get to that point and Kobe at his peak was also an elite defensive player. What's the argument for Wade again?



Wade had no trouble blowing a 2 - 1 lead in the Finals with peak Lebron & Bosh on his side. Weren't they up in Game 4, and proceeded to completely blow it in the 4th with a 14-point quarter?

> Peak Wade vs Peak Kobe
> The forum clown: “B-b-b-b-but 2006! 2011!!”

[dbugz]

Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


let's close this thread already.

[light]

Wade needed Shaq and lebron

Kobe needed Pau Gasol

Here's the thing about that:

2009 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
9.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
8.6
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.7
4.2



2010 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
6.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
5.4
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.8
4.9



2006 HEAT - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Dwyane Wade
10.2
4.2


Udonis Haslem
3.9
3.1


Shaquille O’Neal
3.3
2.9



https://s6.gifyu.com/images/separator-light1378072ed9159071.gif

Kobe has never led a championship team in Win Shares! :lebronamazed:

Shaq led the Lakers for his first three and Gasol led the Lakers for his last two.

Crazy, huh?

Wade led the 2006 Heat in both Offensive and Defensive Win Shares. :kobe:

[warriorfan]

Here's the thing about that:

2009 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
9.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
8.6
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.7
4.2



2010 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
6.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
5.4
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.8
4.9



2006 HEAT - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Dwyane Wade
10.2
4.2


Udonis Haslem
3.9
3.1


Shaquille O’Neal
3.3
2.9



https://s6.gifyu.com/images/separator-light1378072ed9159071.gif

Kobe has never led a championship team in Win Shares! :lebronamazed:

Shaq led the Lakers for his first three and Gasol led the Lakers for his last two.

Crazy, huh?

Wade led the 2006 Heat in both Offensive and Defensive Win Shares. :kobe:

I don’t give a shit about your pencil necked dweeb stats. I don’t think anyone does.

[Turbo Slayer]

Per 75 posessions (scoring-wise)

Bryant 06- 34.2 points/75 on a rTS% of +2.4

Wade 09- 31.4 points/75 on a rTS% of +3.0

Bryant 06 season is comparable to some Prime Michael Jordan seasons and Wade is in the ballpark too. It's close. Would you take more points or more efficiency?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Here's the thing about that:

2009 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
9.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
8.6
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.7
4.2



2010 LAKERS - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Pau Gasol
6.8
4.2


Kobe Bryant
5.4
4.0


Lamar Odom
2.8
4.9



2006 HEAT - Win Share Leaders



OWS
DWS


Dwyane Wade
10.2
4.2


Udonis Haslem
3.9
3.1


Shaquille O’Neal
3.3
2.9



https://s6.gifyu.com/images/separator-light1378072ed9159071.gif

Kobe has never led a championship team in Win Shares! :lebronamazed:

Shaq led the Lakers for his first three and Gasol led the Lakers for his last two.

Crazy, huh?

Wade led the 2006 Heat in both Offensive and Defensive Win Shares. :kobe:
very interesting :cheers:

[tpols]

People dont know it, but "peak" wade's teams were like 20th rank offenses with poor team assists.

'06 - early '08 Kobe had teams just as bad, but were top 10 offenses and assist teams.

Wade essentially got his stats monopolizing like Harden. Kobe could totally go off, while not playing like that.

[ArbitraryWater]

Late in games some teams can stop players getting to the rim and that's where Wade will become role player while Kobe will stay a superstar.

and yet, Wade still outperforms Kobe late in games.

So how does that work?

This sounds like something you'd hear circa 2011 against LeBron.

[Turbo Slayer]

Per 75 posessions (scoring-wise)

Bryant 06- 34.2 points/75 on a rTS% of +2.4

Wade 09- 31.4 points/75 on a rTS% of +3.0

Bryant 06 season is comparable to some Prime Michael Jordan seasons and Wade is in the ballpark too. It's close. Would you take more points or more efficiency? Per 75- Turnovers

Wade 09 TOV% (per 75)- 8.6% TOV

Kobe 06 TOV% (per 75)- 6.7% TOV

Kobe turns the ball over less too.

[ImKobe]

People dont know it, but "peak" wade's teams were like 20th rank offenses with poor team assists.

'06 - early '08 Kobe had teams just as bad, but were top 10 offenses and assist teams.

Wade essentially got his stats monopolizing like Harden. Kobe could totally go off, while not playing like that.

Wade himself has put Kobe over him his entire career, but the delusional anti-Kobe people on this forum will argue otherwise.

[light]

People dont know it, but "peak" wade's teams were like 20th rank offenses with poor team assists.

'06 - early '08 Kobe had teams just as bad, but were top 10 offenses and assist teams.

Wade essentially got his stats monopolizing like Harden. Kobe could totally go off, while not playing like that.

But there's a reason why guys like Kobe and Jordan were not allowed to monopolize and were put into the triangle - Phil Jackson did not trust either of them to dominate the ball. He didn't trust that they'd always make the right play. He was worried that they'd chuck their team's chances away.

[Uncle Drew]

Wade himself has put Kobe over him his entire career, but the delusional anti-Kobe people on this forum will argue otherwise.

No one even said that. Are you drunk?

[tpols]

But there's a reason why guys like Kobe and Jordan were not allowed to monopolize and were put into the triangle - Phil Jackson did not trust either of them to dominate the ball. He didn't trust that they'd always make the right play. He was worried that they'd chuck their team's chances away.


Kobe was going off in olympic free style and dantoni's run n gun system.

MJ was already considered a GOAT player before phil's system.

Jordan or Bryant would go off in any system. Wade cant play under the constraints of teams that have great ball movement though. (like harden)

Thats why his squads had below average offenses and lose to teams like the ****ing hawks. :lol

[Uncle Drew]

Tpols and the forum clown be comparing rookie seasons before comparing peaks. What a waste of space and capacity. Dragging down the society. Does Jeff receive contribution for having you on this website?

[LAmbruh]

same system, same coach, same roster, same competition, same rules


baby Lebron and Wade outplayed prime Kobe with ease


https://i.postimg.cc/ydp4345C/ftgjfdtjtjh.png (https://postimages.org/)

[SouBeachTalents]

same system, same coach, same roster, same competition, same rules


baby Lebron and Wade outplayed prime Kobe with ease


https://i.postimg.cc/ydp4345C/ftgjfdtjtjh.png (https://postimages.org/)
What the hell are up with those FT percentages :oldlol:

[tpols]

Tpols and the forum clown be comparing rookie seasons before comparing peaks. What a waste of space and capacity. Dragging down the society. Does Jeff receive contribution for having you on this website?

i was comparing '09 wade to '06 kobe bro.

smarten up.

[tpols]

same system, same coach, same roster, same competition, same rules


baby Lebron and Wade outplayed prime Kobe with ease


https://i.postimg.cc/ydp4345C/ftgjfdtjtjh.png (https://postimages.org/)

Everybody knows Kobe won USA the gold medal in 2008 after Lebron won bronze in 2006 and 2004.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpVE5Yfvhc

Wade was actually great in those olympics too.

Him and Kobe were pretty much 1a/1b alphas on that squad.

[LAmbruh]

Everybody knows Kobe won USA the gold medal in 2008 after Lebron won bronze in 2006 and 2004.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpVE5Yfvhc

Wade was actually great in those olympics too.

Him and Kobe were pretty much 1a/1b alphas on that squad.

You could have replaced Kobe from that squad with a G-leaguer and gave his shots to Wade-Lebron and the tourney would have been a easy cakewalk. Kobe's chucking held them back

Not to mention USA coasted by Spain just days prior to Gold with Kobe again shitting the bed in that game as well, so no they didn't need him at all

"Ron Artest won Lakers chip in 2010" :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

and yet, Wade still outperforms Kobe late in games.





Wait, what?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wade-clutch.jpg

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

82games defines clutch as the last 5 minutes of a 5-point game or closer.

Kobe looks superior almost across the board.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWATb06UYAYpXc9?format=jpg&name=small

Here Kobe has the much higher volume AND is well ahead in eFG%^ (league average on these shots is 37.5%)

How was Wade better late in games?

[scuzzy]

same system, same coach, same roster, same competition, same rules


baby Lebron and Wade outplayed prime Kobe with ease


https://i.postimg.cc/ydp4345C/ftgjfdtjtjh.png (https://postimages.org/)
Not to mention Wade was coming off season ending injury that tournament as well


Peak Wade > Peak Kobe

[LAmbruh]

Not to mention Wade was coming off season ending injury that tournament as well


Peak Wade > Peak Kobe

Kobe finally sinking buckets in the last 5 min of a 32 quarter tourney, prior to chucking 17-58 three's and having same TO' as ASTS

thanks for your participation Prime Brick :oldlol:

[2ball]

LeBron played with a player with a higher peak than Kobe

[fsvr54]

Wade.

He had a lethal midrange, so those saying that without driving he'd be nothing are idiots.

[light]

LeBron played with a player with a higher peak than Kobe

So did Steph, KD, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Duncan, Yao, Magic, Pierce, Shaq, Oscar, West, etc. Having a higher peak than Kobe isn't actually that hard.

But Bean could still drop 60 on you on any given night, for whatever that was worth.

[SouBeachTalents]

So did Steph, KD, Westbrook, Harden, CP3, Duncan, Yao, Magic, Pierce, Shaq, Oscar, West, etc. Having a higher peak than Kobe isn't actually that hard.

But Bean could still drop 60 on you on any given night, for whatever that was worth.
There's no way you believe half those players peaked higher than Kobe :oldlol:

[light]

There's no way you believe half those players peaked higher than Kobe :oldlol:

No, they played with players that peaked higher than Kobe. For example, for Yao Ming it was McGrady, who in 2003 had a higher peak than Kobe.

[MrFonzworth]

Wait, what?

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wade-clutch.jpg

https://elgee35.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/kobe-clutch.jpg

82games defines clutch as the last 5 minutes of a 5-point game or closer.

Kobe looks superior almost across the board.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWATb06UYAYpXc9?format=jpg&name=small

Here Kobe has the much higher volume AND is well ahead in eFG%^ (league average on these shots is 37.5%)

How was Wade better late in games?

The guy youre replying to is a parrot. He doesn't know the 1st thing about basketball.

[RRR3]

Kobe was going off in olympic free style and dantoni's run n gun system.

MJ was already considered a GOAT player before phil's system.

Jordan or Bryant would go off in any system. Wade cant play under the constraints of teams that have great ball movement though. (like harden)

Thats why his squads had below average offenses and lose to teams like the ****ing hawks. :lol
The Big 3 Heat had great ball movement at their apex and I’m pretty sure Wade was a part of that team.

[ThatCoolKid]

LeBron played with a player with a higher peak than Kobe

Wade's peak was very short and he dropped off a cliff while playing with Lebron.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wade's peak was very short and he dropped off a cliff while playing with Lebron.

Peaked higher than Kobe, but declined to 2016 kobe levels by 2014

LeBron only got 1 decent year out of Gayde, the year Gayde was the most unclutch player in the league and sabotaged the finals

[Axe]

Even a peak wade sucked at shooting threes

[goozeman]

Kobe easily. Kobe could put pressure on the defense at all levels and was a way more versatile scorer.

[tpols]

The Big 3 Heat had great ball movement at their apex and I’m pretty sure Wade was a part of that team.

2011 & 2012 were the years lebron and wade were true "peak" together...

26th and 21st team assist ranks.

totally pathetic.

they absolutely never had great ball movement together.

[SATAN]

Kobe but I think it's closer than Kobe fans are willing to admit

[tpols]

For reference, Kobe & Pau first two years together...

4th and 2nd rank team assists.

no comparison.

[WhiteKyrie]

Wade at his peak was playing better against the same Celtics team that Kobe had sub par finals against. And thats because Wade was able to slash and attack the heart of the defense better. Lebron struggled with that same team. It's all fine to say 'if you can stop it', but how often was that the case in Wade's prime? Clearly not enough for him to not be a top 3 player.
Exactly.

For that reason in particular, healthy prime / peak Wade did better against defenses that both Kobe and LeBron struggled with.

While both are better and ranked higher ... Wade performed better against more difficult defenses based on what you described.

Which is also why I sigh and laugh when modern fans act like MJ would struggle against these defenses. He was like a combination of peak Kobe and Wade.

[FKAri]

Wade but "peak Wade" is lightning in a bottle. It didn't exist for very long and got injured early and often until it no longer existed. Kobe played at a tad level lower than that over a much longer period.