Why can't Lebron have better ball movement systems/teams like the Spurs/Warriors that

[3ball]

are favored more in the Finals and therefore don't need 7 games or a 29 ppg sidekick to beat experienced vets in the Finals?

It's standard for ball-domination to struggle against ball-movement, aka 3/9

[Overdrive]

Why couldn't Jordan? The Spurs didn't move the ball as much either in Duncan's prime.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why did the Spurs move the ball significantly less when Duncan was in his prime bro?

[3ball]

Why couldn't Jordan? The Spurs didn't move the ball as much either in Duncan's prime.
It was common knowledge that the Bulls' triangle was the most intricate and "smart" ball movement system in the league and perceived similarly to Pop's Spurs

The bulls were a Spurs/Warriors-caliber ball movement-juggernaut that Lebron's skillset prevents his teams from reaching

[FireDavidKahn]

Because Boogie Gibson, Drew Gooden, West, Williams, etc prevent that due to lack of talent.

[3ball]

Because Boogie Gibson, Drew Gooden, West, Williams, etc prevent that due to lack of talent.
^^^^ AI, Dwight, Kidd and Lebron himself were winning the East with comparable casts to that

a strong cast wasn't needed, yet Lebron formed super-teams to ensure Finals-runs from 11-17'..

So he simply ceded easy runs to Dwight in 09' and a weakened Celtics team in 10'.

his 18' run was with a "normal" cast (but still the best 2nd option in conference).

[red1]

why couldnt jordan do better than 1-9 without scottie "tree-trunk" pippen?

[red1]

can you imagine lebron playing with durant klay and iggy? lebron playing with the 2014 spurs in kawhi's place? their ball movement would be EVEN better and that defense would be amazing. :oldlol:


OP needs to realize that MJ never played a team nearly as good as those spurs OR warriors either. and lebron won 2 rings playing against them. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

This dude eats lives and breathes LeBron

[3ball]

can you imagine lebron playing with durant klay and iggy? lebron playing with the 2014 spurs in kawhi's place? their ball movement would be EVEN better and that defense would be amazing. :oldlol:


OP needs to realize that MJ never played a team nearly as good as those spurs OR warriors either. and lebron won 2 rings playing against them. :oldlol:

Lebron's long dribble skillset would kill the ball movement systems of the Warriors and Spurs - they would have to run lebron-ball like all of his teams did for 17 years.. This would result in a Finals underdog, rather than the perennial favorite status that those ball movement systems are accustomed to.. a 2-to-1 underdog is expected to win about 1 in 3 Finals, aka 3/9

[red1]

Lebron's long dribble skillset would kill the ball movement systems of the Warriors and Spurs - they would have to run lebron-ball like all of his teams did for 17 years.. This would result in a Finals underdog, rather than the perennial favorite status that those ball movement systems are accustomed to.. a 2-to-1 underdog is expected to win about 1 in 3 Finals, aka 3/9

strongly disagree. you are wrong once again.


lebron's teams have always benefited from his ball dominance. he's usually their best ball-handler. sure its ugly sometimes watching someone pound the rock but his team usually got a great shot out of it.

playing with passers the likes of which he'd have on both of those teams - the warriors and the spurs - the ball would move around and lebron would get even more easy looks for himself if he has other playmakers and passers. he's unselfish. hence why kyrie and lebron is an excellent championship worthy duo - kyrie is an amazing ballhandler who can create shots and finish at an alltime level. so is lebron - they can ISO a team to death and move the ball around for open shots for shooters like jr smith.


he'd do even better playing on stacked teams like '17 '18 warriors or the underrated '14 spurs.



you lose again bitch.

[FireDavidKahn]

^^^^ AI, Dwight, Kidd and Lebron himself were winning the East with comparable casts to that

a strong cast wasn't needed, yet Lebron formed super-teams to ensure Finals-runs from 11-17'..

So he simply ceded easy runs to Dwight in 09' and a weakened Celtics team in 10'.

his 18' run was with a "normal" cast (but still the best 2nd option in conference).

AI didn't win anything.
Dwight never won anything.
Kidd only won when playing with Dirk.

You managed to lie 3 times in the first 3 words of your post.

[3ball]

AI didn't win anything.
Dwight never won anything.
Kidd only won when playing with Dirk.

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They won the East with marginal casts, just like Bron in 07'

So a strong cast wasn't needed, yet Lebron formed super-teams to ensure Finals-runs from 11-17'..

Accordingly, he should be knocked for ceding easy runs to Dwight in 09' and a weakened Celtics team in 10'..

Ultimately, the juggernaut of the conference went down with injury (Celtics), so the conference was up for grabs, aka the perfect opportunity - but Lebron's favored teams blew it - only Lebron lost 2 years in a row with 60-win, 1 seeds

[ShawkFactory]

So you get unbanned and immediately THIS is the thread you make?

Are you trying to get yourself permanently banned so the temptation to post goes away?

[regnortSkcaB]

So many real posters got canned in the purge that we no longer have balance. 3-ball putting up the effort to balance it out. I can respect that.

We all know it's called Lebron ball.

[3ball]

strongly disagree. you are wrong once again.


lebron's teams have always benefited from his ball dominance. he's usually their best ball-handler. sure its ugly sometimes watching someone pound the rock but his team usually got a great shot out of it.

playing with passers the likes of which he'd have on both of those teams - the warriors and the spurs - the ball would move around and lebron would get even more easy looks for himself if he has other playmakers and passers. he's unselfish. hence why kyrie and lebron is an excellent championship worthy duo - kyrie is an amazing ballhandler who can create shots and finish at an alltime level. so is lebron - they can ISO a team to death and move the ball around for open shots for shooters like jr smith.


he'd do even better playing on stacked teams like '17 '18 warriors or the underrated '14 spurs.



you lose again bitch.
Being the team's best ball-handler doesn't mean the team should put the ball in your hands to be a ball-dominant player that prevents the best systems/teams

Curry is the Warriors' best ball-handler yet he plays off-ball to allow the system to be executed, aka have the best team.. ditto, Jordan, Kobe, Kawhi, Bird, KD (guys with really good Finals records/team ceilings)

[ArbitraryWater]

Why did the Spurs move the ball significantly less when Duncan was in his prime bro?

[red1]

Being the team's best ball-handler doesn't mean the team should put the ball in your hands to be a ball-dominant player that prevents the best systems/teams

Curry is the Warriors' best ball-handler yet he plays off-ball to allow the system to be executed, aka have the best team.. ditto, Jordan, Kobe, Kawhi, Bird, KD (guys with really good Finals records/team ceilings)

dude you're always wrong. and you're fighting an uphill battle. you already lost.

kyrie and lebron is a championship duo

bron won two rings with the heat

and soon you might be crying when lebron and AD win another ring :oldlol:

[red1]

kyrie and lebron winning a championship together already proves you wrong in every way. you LOST dude.



I love it. :roll:

[regnortSkcaB]

How has 3ball lost exactly? He's not arguing that Lebron didn't win rings. So if we take that strawman from 3-year olds we are left with his initial argument which is a fair, objective analysis and observation. Poor deflect.

6 times Finals loser that barely squeaked out 2 of his Final wins in Game 7s because of under-performance corroborates exactly OP's point. In that sense 3ball is closer to the truth than the worms biting at his dead foot skin.

[red1]

How has 3ball lost exactly? He's not arguing that Lebron didn't win rings. So if we take that strawman from 3-year olds we are left with his initial argument which is a fair, objective analysis and observation. Poor deflect.

3ball has argued for years that lebrons ball-dominant style cant win a ring - lebron and kyrie is a proven championship duo. so he factually lost.


suck my nuts egokiller. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Why did the Spurs move the ball significantly less when Duncan was in his prime bro?
Post play was a high brand of ball back then

(that put pressure on teams defensively, thus blunting their offensive attack, aka winning the attrition battle)

Even the triangle initiated the offense with a pass to the post every time

[regnortSkcaB]

suck my nuts egokiller. :oldlol:

Who or what is egokiller?

[3ball]

3ball has argued for years that lebrons ball-dominant style cant win a ring - lebron and kyrie is a proven championship duo. so he factually lost.


suck my nuts egokiller. :oldlol:
I never said bron-ball can't win a ring

I just said that it will likely NOT win and be a perennial underdog/lesser team instead, thus needing extra talent to still mostly lose..

bron-ball = 3/9 ball.. perennial underdog-ball

Spurs/Warriors-ball = 8/10-ball.. perennial favorite

[FireDavidKahn]

I never said bron-ball can't win a ring

I just said that it will likely NOT win and be a perennial underdog/lesser team instead, thus needing extra talent to still mostly lose..

bron-ball = 3/9 ball.. perennial underdog-ball

Spurs/Warriors-ball = 8/10-ball.. perennial favorite

Since LeBron was the perennial underdog then by defeat he's overachieved.

You lose again, baby boi

[regnortSkcaB]

Perennial underdog by peak teamplay display and results, not by the talent he's always surrounded himself with. Big 3's.

3ball still on track.

[red1]

I never said bron-ball can't win a ring

I just said that it will likely NOT win and be a perennial underdog/lesser team instead, thus needing extra talent to still mostly lose..

bron-ball = 3/9 ball.. perennial underdog-ball

Spurs/Warriors-ball = 8/10-ball.. perennial favorite

YEAH. YOU. DID.

dont lie kid.


thats all you ever argued. bron is a loser and bronball wont win rings.


meanwhile lebron is a 3 time champion and 3 time finals MVP. :oldlol:

you also argued that he isnt top-10? how does that argument still look? :oldlol:

[red1]

Since LeBron was the perennial underdog then by defeat he's overachieved.

You lose again, baby boi
all he has is "3/9" - meanwhile jordan never played a team as good as the warriors, and he never dealt with injuries like lebron did playing without any options in the 2015 finals and playing with a hobbled wade in the 2014 finals.

yet lebron still came out of it all with 3 rings and 3 finals MVPs. :applause: :roll:

[3ball]

YEAH. YOU. DID.

dont lie kid.


thats all you ever argued. bron is a loser and bronball wont win rings.


meanwhile lebron is a 3 time champion and 3 time finals MVP. :oldlol:

you also argued that he isnt top-10? how does that argument still look? :oldlol:
No, you just can't read

Bron-ball is a perennial underdog and loser on the championship level - the "clippers" of the championship (back when the clippers were bad)

Bron-ball = weaker teams than the top teams.. 3/9.. 1*/9 actually

And your boy needs an equal scoring teammate to win - he can't carry teams like MJ

[SouBeachTalents]

Does 3ball actually believe LeBron ball was the reason the Cavs lost in '07, '15 & '18, and that it wasn't due to the massive disparity in talent between the two teams? That you just plug any superstar in LeBron's place and they're winning those series :lol

Outside of 2011 the vast majority of players still lose in LeBron's place during those series, especially so for the ones I mentioned

[FireDavidKahn]

Good to know that 3ball believes LeBron has overachieved.

THE GOAT

Welcome to LeFam, 3ball!!!!!!!!!

[red1]

No, you just can't read

Bron-ball is simply a perennial loser on the championship level - the "clippers" of the championship (back when the clippers were bad)

stop lying dude. all you ever repeat now is 3/9.


meanwhile you already lost - bron is the 2nd GOAT if he retired today, top 5 even on a hater's list. and you actually argued and believed that he wouldnt crack the top 10. :roll:


just suck it up. you lost. its alright.

[warriorfan]

^^^^ AI, Dwight, Kidd and Lebron himself were winning the East with comparable casts to that

a strong cast wasn't needed, yet Lebron formed super-teams to ensure Finals-runs from 11-17'..

So he simply ceded easy runs to Dwight in 09' and a weakened Celtics team in 10'.

his 18' run was with a "normal" cast (but still the best 2nd option in conference).

Ether

[3ball]

stop lying dude. all you ever repeat now is 3/9.


meanwhile you already lost - bron is the 2nd GOAT if he retired today, top 5 even on a hater's list. and you actually argued and believed that he wouldnt crack the top 10. :roll:


just suck it up. you lost. its alright.
Lebron's last chance to be permanently top 3 was lost with this Corona thing

He might've had 4 rings as the best player..

Now that's gone forever so ultimately, people will call him top 10 to be safe (with Giannis, Kawhi and KD racking up more rings and muddying the waters)

[Overdrive]

It was common knowledge that the Bulls' triangle was the most intricate and "smart" ball movement system in the league and perceived similarly to Pop's Spurs

The bulls were a Spurs/Warriors-caliber ball movement-juggernaut that Lebron's skillset prevents his teams from reaching

The Bulls moved the ball well for 1 season when all of their pieces were in their prime. The 2012 Heat had awesome ball movement in the finals.

[3ball]

Does 3ball actually believe LeBron ball was the reason the Cavs lost in '07, '15 & '18, and that it wasn't due to the massive disparity in talent between the two teams? That you just plug any superstar in LeBron's place and they're winning those series :lol

Outside of 2011 the vast majority of players still lose in LeBron's place during those series, especially so for the ones I mentioned
No, lebron lost in 15', 18' and 07' due to inferior supporting talent (although should still get knocked for being shut down in 07' and 08')

However, 09', 11' and 14' are fair game, and probably 10' too.. possibly 17' as well.. all legit criticism where he had a good cast but lost to a superior brand/teamwork

[red1]

Lebron's last chance to be permanently top 3 was lost with this Corona thing

He might've had 4 rings as the best player..

Now that's gone forever so ultimately, people will call him top 10 to be safe (with Giannis, Kawhi and KD racking up more rings and muddying the waters)

just say it babe. "top 5 at worst."


you've made great strides saying top 10, looks like you're slowly learning.

[red1]

No, lebron lost in 15', 18' and 07' due to inferior supporting talent (although should still get knocked for being shut down in 07' and 08')

However, 09', 11' and 14' are fair game, and probably 10' too.. possibly 17' as well.. all legit criticism where he had a good cast but lost to a superior brand/teamwork

no. only '11 is fair game. and not only is it fair game, it was an absolute choke.

which is important because he came back and led his team to a title like a GOAT the next two years.

he was great in 2009 and 2014. and '17 and '18 as well for that matter.

[3ball]

just say it babe. "top 5 at worst."


you've made great strides saying top 10, looks like you're slowly learning.
Lebron has no argument over Duncan, Magic, Russell, or Shaq, let alone Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Bird, or MJ..

Again, he'll be lucky to be top 10 with Giannis, KD, and Kawhi still padding their resume - for example, one more ring for KD and lebron is forgotten and out of top 10.. :dancin:

[red1]

Lebron has no argument over Duncan, Magic, Russell, or Shaq, let alone Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Bird, or MJ..

Again, he'll be lucky to be top 10 with Giannis, KD, and Kawhi still padding their resume - one more ring fir KD and lebron is forgotten and out of top 10.. :dancin:

wrong. wrong wrong wrong wrong.













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[red1]

keep your fingers crossed sweetie because it looks like the corona is the only thing stopping lebron for coming for that GOAT spot.


he gets one more this year and its cemented 2nd GOAT at worst. :rockon: :pimp: :hammertime:

[3ball]

wrong. wrong wrong wrong wrong.













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Wait until KD wins it in 2023

Lebron will be forgotten forever, even though him and his son are still in the league!

Lebron will be the goat washed up player - worse than Kobe, and obviously worse than wizards MJ (still a 20 ppg all-star that could get 40-50)

[red1]

now you're back on the kd bandwagon. :roll:



legacy cemented. kyrie and lebron won together. championship duo right there.


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plus two rings with dwade. gave us the heatles. a great 4 year run, hate em or love em. got two MVPS and two finals MVPs out of it.

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set. in. stone. :)

[3ball]

now you're back on the kd bandwagon. :roll:



kyrie and lebron won together. championship duo right there.


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plus two rings with dwade

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Teaming up with Wade (top 3 player) is like teaming up with Bird

MJ/Bird would win 10-12 rings in a row, barring health.. and that's without adding a top 4 PF (Bosh, aka Kemp)

So 2/4 including goat choke and goat loss is massive underachievement.. and 1/3 with Kyrie sucks, especially since Bron ran him out of town/cratered franchise

[red1]

Teaming up with Wade (top 3 player) is like teaming up with Bird

MJ/Bird would win 10-12 rings in a row, barring health

So 2/4 including goat choke and goat loss is massive underachievement

wade couldnt run up and down the court in 2014. so yeah its like teaming up with bird - with a bad back :oldlol:


they went 2/3 with wade healthy and the only reason they lost the first year was because of poor chemistry/ first year together and of course lebrons choke. otherwise they couldve still won. otherwise they went back to back and lebron got back to back finals MVPs as the best player on the court both playoff runs.


and then he won with kyrie, dashing the rest of your arguments down the toilet


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[3ball]

wade couldnt run up and down the court in 2014.




Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg.. 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


It's simply hard to 3-peat because teammates get broken down

But Lebron had a 3rd star in Bosh that could've stepped up - except his capacity to step up had been robbed because bron-ball turned him into spot-up shooter

Ultimately, when you guys hear me complain about prime Pippen - think about 13-14' Wade - then you'll understand.. 13-14' Wade had only been reduced to prime Pippen (21/5/5 with 21-22 PER)

[guy]

Does 3ball actually believe LeBron ball was the reason the Cavs lost in '07, '15 & '18, and that it wasn't due to the massive disparity in talent between the two teams? That you just plug any superstar in LeBron's place and they're winning those series :lol

Outside of 2011 the vast majority of players still lose in LeBron's place during those series, especially so for the ones I mentioned

What about '14 and '17? Are you saying he had enough to win those? So if we're including '11 then Lebron should have about 6 championships?

[red1]

Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg.. 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


It's simply hard to 3-peat because teammates get broken down

But Lebron had a 3rd star in Bosh that could've stepped up - except his capacity to step up had been robbed because bron-ball turned him into spot-up shooter

Ultimately, when you guys hear me complain about prime Pippen - think about 13-14' Wade - then you'll understand.. 13-14' Wade had only been reduced to prime Pippen (21/5/5 with 21-22 PER)

you always repost the same shit. I dont trash wade or pippen I actually appreciate wade for helping lebron win because he balled in 2011 2012 and most of 2013. he just didnt have it at the end. 2014 the knees were done and the spurs were hungry. if lebron had 2011 wade against the 2014 spurs then he could've given them a run for their money because lebron was playing at a very high level that year. cant count the spurs out though because they would've put up a ton of points regardless the way they were shooting contested shots. heat would've been in the series though it wouldn't be as lopsisded as it was.

[3ball]

What about '14 and '17? Are you saying he had enough to win those? So if we're including '11 then Lebron should have about 6 championships?
Of course he had enough in 2014

The odds were even and lebron/wade were vowing revenge for Duncan's pre-series prediction

Everyone was shocked when the Heat gave up in Game 3 and stopped playing.. And teams don't "randomly" get hot for 3 straight games - that makes no sense

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball movement it faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off..

The best defense is a good offense - a ref will stop the fight if the fighter on their heels doesn't mount offense to blunt the attack they're facing

Lebron-ball simply doesn't win the attrition battle on the championship level

Accordingly, for all 6 Finals losses, teams figure out Lebron-ball and then win the last 3 games going away.

[SouBeachTalents]

What about '14 and '17? Are you saying he had enough to win those? So if we're including '11 then Lebron should have about 6 championships?
In 2014, with the way Wade played in the Finals, definitely not. He had a good enough supporting cast to win a title in 2017, he just happened to run into a goliath in the Warriors. So when I say outside of 2011, those series are included. I just don't think they're quite on the comical scale of disparity that 07, '15 & '18 were

[red1]

Of course he had enough in 2014

The odds were even and lebron/wade were vowing revenge for Duncan's pre-series prediction

Everyone was shocked when the Heat gave up in Game 3 and stopped playing

Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball movement it faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off..

The best defense is a good offense - a ref will stop the fight if the fighter on their heels doesn't mount offense to blunt the attack they're facing

Accordingly, for all 6 Finals losses, teams figure out Lebron-ball and then win the last 3 games going away.

your theories are all wack. :oldlol:


PSA guys - when 3ball tries to make a point just remind him that he says lebron isnt top 10 and that he already lost that argument. decisively lost that argument.

he also says bron is a loser who cant win with his balldominant style - definitively lost that argument.


again, that's where he's coming from guys. he discredits lebron because he is worried about the small chance that lebron wins more and surpasses MJ all-time. he's very insecure which is why he defends MJ against madonna rumors.

[3ball]

In 2014, with the way Wade played in the Finals, definitely not. He had a good enough supporting cast to win a title in 2017, he just happened to run into a goliath in the Warriors. So when I say outside of 2011, those series are included. I just don't think they're quite on the comical scale of disparity that 07, '15 & '18 were
Many guys win despite a bad series from a sidekick

Lebron had 2 HOF teammates outside of Wade and also experienced vets - but this equal talent stood no chance without a brand of ball that could compete - they lost due to inferior teamwork, not talent

Bosh's capacity to step up had been robbed because bron-ball reduced him to spot-up shooter.. And Wade's production suffered (only against the Spurs) because the Spurs had perfected their exploitation of lebron/wade's poor fit - SB Nation showed endless footage of the Spurs coming off one to help on the other, thus forcing them to pass to each other for spot-ups, their weakness.

So ultimately, the suboptimal nature of bron-ball hurt Wade and Bosh, thus preventing a brand or production level that could compete with the Spurs

[red1]

Many guys win despite a bad series from a sidekick

Lebron had 2 HOF teammates outside of Wade and also experienced vets - but this equal talent stood no chance without a brand of ball that could compete - they lost due to inferior teamwork, not talent

Bosh's capacity to step up had been robbed because bron-ball reduced him to spot-up shooter.. And Wade's production suffered (only against the Spurs) because the Spurs had perfected their exploitation of lebron/wade's poor fit - SB Nation showed endless footage of the Spurs coming off one to help on the other, thus forcing them to pass to each other for spot-ups, their weakness.

So ultimately, the suboptimal nature of bron-ball hurt Wade and Bosh, thus preventing a brand or production level that could compete with the Spurs

once again you box all of the facts into focusing on the shitty narrative that you want to promote. they lost because of DEFENSE. the heat looked slow and tired and the spurs passing was precise and exploited that.

you keep going back to the same shitty arguments that have already been debunked over and over again. "suboptimal bran ball" already shit on all of your theories with the kyrie lbj chip. :oldlol:

[3ball]

once again you box all of the facts into focusing on the shitty narrative that you want to promote. they lost because of DEFENSE. the heat looked slow and tired and the spurs passing was precise and exploited that.


^^^ Best defense is a good offense

A ref will stop the fight if the losing fighter doesn't mount offense to blunt the attack they're facing

Ultimately, Lebron's long dribble skillset doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball-movement it faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off.. all 6 Finals losses ended with the opponent winning the last 3 games going away.

Lebron-ball simply doesn't win the attrition battle on the championship level

the Heat realized their plodding dribbles couldn't match the Spurs' zippy ball movement around game 3, and they gave up in the middle of the game.. they realized they were in a knife fight with a butter-knife brand and stood no chance..





you keep going back to the same shitty arguments that have already been debunked over and over again. "suboptimal bran ball" already shit on all of your theories with the kyrie lbj chip. :oldlol:
Kyrie outplayed the league MVP, yet Lebron still only won by 1 possession

He's literally a bounce away from being a 1/9 bum in the Finals and we wouldn't even be talking about him

[RRR3]

3ball stop being a bitch for once. You are a boring troll.

[Axe]

Rofl and i thought the ban was permanent tbh.

[red1]

^^^ Best defense is a good offense

A ref will stop the fight if the losing fighter doesn't mount offense to blunt the attack they're facing

Ultimately, Lebron's long dribble skillset doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams like the ball-movement it faces at the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off.. all 6 Finals losses ended with the opponent winning the last 3 games going away.

Lebron-ball simply doesn't win the attrition battle on the championship level

the Heat realized their plodding dribbles couldn't match the Spurs' zippy ball movement around game 3, and they gave up in the middle of the game.. they realized they were in a knife fight with a butter-knife brand and stood no chance..

dude I already told you that attrition is definitely a factor. we've been through all of these. the cavs wore the warriors down in game 7 with great defense. the heat wore the spurs down in their series with great defense. in 2014 the heat just didnt have it. lebron was the only player that had any pep. the spurs were just better. and THAT is why they lost.



Kyrie outplayed the league MVP, yet Lebron still only won by 1 possession

He's literally a bounce away from being a 1/9 bum in the Finals and we wouldn't even be talking about him


my dawg 'ree still has you crying to this day :roll:

to think if kyrie wasnt a fragile bitch and if kd wasnt a snake - and the cavs STILL won and shot your theories down for good - oh I love it :roll:

[scuzzy]

Red1 and FireDavidKahn have been running a train on 3ball's buttcheeks lately. LMAO Absolute madlads :oldlol::applause:


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[3ball]

dude I already told you that attrition is definitely a factor. we've been through all of these. the cavs wore the warriors down in game 7 with great defense. the heat wore the spurs down in their series with great defense. in 2014 the heat just didnt have it. lebron was the only player that had any pep. the spurs were just better. and THAT is why they lost.





my dawg 'ree still has you crying to this day :roll:

to think if kyrie wasnt a fragile bitch and if kd wasnt a snake - and the cavs STILL won and shot your theories down for good - oh I love it :roll:
The completely-solved bron-ball couldn't wear down the Spurs even a little bit, so the Spurs were super-fresh and confident to go off offensively

Don't be surprised because that's what happens to long-dribbling vs ball movement - Nash, CP3, and Harden face the same fate - they were in the West though and didn't team-hop for better support like bron did.

[red1]

The completely-solved bron-ball couldn't wear down the Spurs even a little bit, so they were super-fresh and confident to go off offensively

That's what happens to long-dribbling vs ball movement - Nash, CP3, and Harden face the same fate - they were in the West though and didn't team-hop for better support like bron did.

cool.


what about 2012? 2013? 2016?


why did jordan's bulls win 50+ games again the next year after he left? meanwhile lebron's former teams cant even make the playoffs?

why is jordan 1-9 without pippen? meanwhile lebron has lead two different franchises to championships?

[red1]

Red1 and FireDavidKahn have been running a train on 3ball's buttcheeks lately. LMAO Absolute madlads :oldlol::applause:



3ball is literally too easy.


his main claim is that lebron is a complete fraud and back then he claimed wont be top 15 all-time now he still argues not top-10. he already lost. and he's backed himself into a corner and refuses to admit that he's wrong, so he still cries and sulks and keeps whining and pouting.


"buh buh ray allen buh buh kyrie buh buh heat stacked"









3ball...






















you need to deal with it bitch. :)

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[AirBonner]

Op has Wilt at #2 all time. Are we really going to believe his stance on LeGoat?

[Axe]

A thread created not more than 1/4 of a day ago and it already has 5 pages. Can't believe that. 🤦*♀

[scuzzy]

3ball is literally too easy.


his main claim is that lebron is a complete fraud and back then he claimed wont be top 15 all-time now he still argues not top-10. he already lost. and he's backed himself into a corner and refuses to admit that he's wrong, so he still cries and sulks and keeps whining and pouting.


"buh buh ray allen buh buh kyrie buh buh heat stacked"









3ball...






















you need to deal with it bitch. :)

https://www.providencejournal.com/storyimage/PJ/20160709/SPORTS/160709343/AR/0/AR-160709343.jpg
:oldlol:

No lie, I don't think i've read a 3ball post in over 2 years at least. Such a boring poster imo. At least Kenneth had his rare moments, 3bore has none, no comedic value at all. :(

[3ball]

cool.


what about 2012? 2013? 2016?


That's all you get out of 9 tries because lebron-ball is inferior to the ball movement it faces in the championship

The inferior brand results in perennial underdogs that usually lose at the championship level





why did jordan's bulls win 50+ games again the next year after he left? meanwhile lebron's former teams cant even make the playoffs?


A team can't 3-peat with just talent - it needs great teamwork that wins without talent - it needs to play GREAT BASKETBALL

MJ had the skill to play great team basketball while getting higher PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, and clutch... otoh, Lebron has the skill to play weaker team basketball while getting lesser stats





why is jordan 1-9 without pippen? meanwhile lebron has lead two different franchises to championships?
Jordan carried lottery teams to 8 seeds and tough 1st round matchups (8 vs 1), while lebron failed to carry lottery teams to 8 seeds and only made playoffs with high seeds and therefore easy 1st Rd matchups..

[red1]

That's all you get out of 9 tries because lebron-ball is inferior to the ball movement it faces in the championship

The inferior brand results in perennial underdogs that usually lose at the championship level



A team can't 3-peat with just talent - it needs great teamwork that wins without talent - it needs to play GREAT BASKETBALL

MJ had the skill to play great team basketball while getting higher PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, and clutch... otoh, Lebron has the skill to play weaker team basketball while getting lesser stats



Jordan carried lottery teams to 8 seeds and tough 1st round matchups (8 vs 1), while lebron failed to carry lottery teams to 8 seeds and only made playoffs with high seeds and therefore easy 1st Rd matchups..

thats all you have. circumstances. "6 for 6" "3 for 9"

reality - basketball is a team sport and you play the teams in front of you. context matters. if your teammates are injured, thats fine you still gotta play. the show must go on. the fans still want to see you play. 3 finals MVPs is a great result.

this inferior brand of basketball that you said cant win - it did win. 3 times. on two different teams. against great competition :roll:


how about a new set of circumstances - MJ never won a single ring without pippen.

1-9 without pippen. :roll:

mj left the bulls and they won 55-games the season after. :roll:

[red1]

:oldlol:

No lie, I don't think i've read a 3ball post in over 2 years at least. Such a boring poster imo. At least Kenneth had his rare moments, 3bore has none, no comedic value at all. :(

very boring indeed. he's very repetitive. very very repetitive.


he just took every argument that he used for the heat and started substituting ray allen for kyrie on the cavs.


"buh buh buh" no 3ball. just no.


how about this 3ball - how about your original theories sucked? :oldlol:


he still hasnt acknowledged that he's wrong about lbj not being a top 10 player of all-time. or top-15. "buh buh if kyrie and ray missed he'd be 1/9 waah waah." what a chump.

[3ball]

thats all you have. circumstances. "6 for 6" "3 for 9"

reality - basketball is a team sport and you play the teams in front of you. context matters. if your teammates are injured, thats fine you still gotta play. the show must go on. the fans still want to see you play. 3 finals MVPs is a great result.

this inferior brand of basketball that you said cant win - it did win. 3 times. on two different teams. against great competition :roll:


how about a new set of circumstances - MJ never won a single ring without pippen.

1-9 without pippen. :roll:

mj left the bulls and they won 55-games the season after. :roll:
Who cares about 3 wins when you lost 6 times??.. that's like praising the 10-72 clippers for the 10 wins

Lebron never won without guys that were better than Pippen or a 3rd star

Lebron mostly loses regardless of cast or opponent

[Manny98]

Neither could Jordan

He didn't posses the ability to move without the ball and play a unselfish brand of basketball that allowed his teammates to flourish in ways Mike could only dream of like Curry could

Curry ball is GOAT not even MJ could replicate what Curry did from 2014-2019

[red1]

Lebron never won without guys that were better than Pippen or a 3rd star

Lebron mostly loses regardless of cast or opponent

Who cares about 3 wins when you lost 6 times??.. that's like praising the 10-72 clippers for the 10 wins

dude just keeps ON SHIFTING THE GOAL POSTS :roll:


how about you just shift your player rankings?

https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif




you're the guy who tried to enlighten us for years to let us know that bron's style would never win. if only the cavs front office listened to you, maybe they mighta won something!!!!


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[FromDowntown]

why couldnt jordan do better than 1-9 without scottie "tree-trunk" pippen?

[3ball]

dude just keeps ON SHIFTING THE GOAL POSTS :roll:


how about you just shift your player rankings?

https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif




you're the guy who tried to enlighten us for years to let us know that bron's style would never win. if only the cavs front office listened to you, maybe they mighta won something!!!!


https://media.giphy.com/media/p0RDMJGgMXF96/giphy.gif
No ball-dominator ever won much - lebron is showing how hard and mostly ineffective that playground style is - aka needed to team-hop 3 times to the league favorite, yet only 3 rings, aka least of any top 10 player and 3/17 worst frequency by far

Carry on

[FKAri]

When Genghis Khan saw mountains in the path of his invasion of Persia he didn't give a blue fucc about efficient movement. He marched his cavalry right fuccin through them and conquered Persia much to the shock and horror of the Persians. History is written by do-ers not whiny limp wristed nano-penls phaggits worried about efficient movement or navigational efficiency or any other nerd concept. Le facking GOAT!

[red1]

No ball-dominator ever won much - lebron is showing how hard and mostly ineffective that playground style is - aka needed to team-hop 3 times to the league favorite, yet only 3 rings, aka least of any top 10 player and 3/17 worst frequency by far

Carry on

"buh buh buh ray allen... buh buh kyrie buh buh 1 for 9 (aka baldan)"





































deal with it bitch. :)

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[3ball]

When Genghis Khan saw mountains in the path of his invasion of Persia he didn't give a blue fucc about efficient movement. He marched his cavalry right fuccin through them and conquered Persia much to the shock and horror of the Persians. History is written by do-ers not whiny limp wristed nano-penls phaggits worried about efficient movement or navigational efficiency or any other nerd concept. Le facking GOAT!
Khan also didn't mostly lose the big battles, so not analogous

You LeStans always forget about Le3/9

[Wally450]

Khan also didn't mostly lose the big battles, so not analogous

You LeStans always forget about Le3/9

And that Le3/9 bothers you so much that every thread you make is about him. If he’s so bad, stop making every thread about him. Simple.

[3ball]

And that Le3/9 bothers you so much that every thread you make is about him. If he’s so bad, stop making every thread about him. Simple.
It's a simple question that no one answered

If Lebron is such a basketball "genius", then why did he opt to play a ball-dominant way that wins less, rather than run ball movement systems that do better than 3/9 (have higher team ceilings, aka be capable of a Spurs/Warriors-level team)

And he got less stats playing that way (less PPG, less PER, less BPM, less WS/48)

[warriorfan]

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http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/557856666bb3f7950ef731a9/stephen%20curry%203.gif


Kyrie is not a better finals performer than Steph Curry

[red1]

It's a simple question that no one answered

If Lebron is such a basketball "genius", then why did he opt to play a ball-dominant way that wins less, rather than run ball movement systems that do better than 3/9 (have higher team ceilings, aka be capable of a Spurs/Warriors-level team)

And he got less stats playing that way (less PPG, less PER, less BPM, less WS/48)

every single point you ever try to make is tainted with your flawed logic. lebron has always elevated his teams and that is still the case today.

his style worked. you said it would never work but it did. three times. just shut up and take your L. :oldlol:



you're irrational as ever, probably even saltier now. I'm happy that you lost every argument. suck my nuts. :roll:

[red1]

3ball walks around in his mothers basement wearing mj pajamas. chewing gum with a beer belly, trying to chew the gum like he's mike. and he's bald like jordan except he hasnt shaved his head and his beer belly hangs over the waistline of his mj pajamas.



something like these, except with more greasy stains:

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[Overdrive]

The Bulls moved the ball well for 1 season when all of their pieces were in their prime. The 2012 Heat had awesome ball movement in the finals.

3ball, you didn't even touch my post with a stick, because you know it's true. All those troll arguments like 1-9 to discredit Jordan are stupid. He was a great shooter from within the 3, the best modern scorer we've seen, best tt player ever by a wide margin, etcetc, but he was also a ballstopper. You're always pushing the narrative of time of possession. Of course Lebron has more, because he often brings the ball upcourt whereas Jordan played to his strength as a ball receptor. Jordan having a livedribble coming to the 3pt line would take away his biggest advantage.

The 96 Bulls worked so well, because they had so many options that could get hot any given night just by getting touches provided by Pippen. They had good passers at most positions. The instant the players declined Jordan reverted back to a score first and second mentality. He's not better in that aspect than Lebron, just a different type of player.

Saying Lebron isn't successful is retarded aswell. He won 3 times with 3 FMVPs. That's Shaq territory. On top of that he has 4MVPs and great stats. He's in the 2-7 range on resume alone. Mix in longevity and accumulated stats and he's top 3. Arguing he's not top 15, because he colluded, when players like Moses(colluded with the finalist 76ers), KG(Celtics), Oscar(Bucks), West(luring Wilt to LA) and Barkley(arguably, Suns & Rockets) are, is stupid beyond belief.

I post this as a guy who doesn't like either Lebron or Jordan, but who firmly believes Jordan is GOAT. So anything you say about either leaves me unphazed.

[3ball]

3ball, you didn't even touch my post with a stick, because you know it's true. All those troll arguments like 1-9 to discredit Jordan are stupid. He was a great shooter from within the 3, the best modern scorer we've seen, best tt player ever by a wide margin, etcetc, but he was also a ballstopper. You're always pushing the narrative of time of possession. Of course Lebron has more, because he often brings the ball upcourt whereas Jordan played to his strength as a ball receptor. Jordan having a livedribble coming to the 3pt line would take away his biggest advantage.

The 96 Bulls worked so well, because they had so many options that could get hot any given night just by getting touches provided by Pippen. They had good passers at most positions. The instant the players declined Jordan reverted back to a score first and second mentality. He's not better in that aspect than Lebron, just a different type of player.

Saying Lebron isn't successful is retarded aswell. He won 3 times with 3 FMVPs. That's Shaq territory. On top of that he has 4MVPs and great stats. He's in the 2-7 range on resume alone. Mix in longevity and accumulated stats and he's top 3. Arguing he's not top 15, because he colluded, when players like Moses(colluded with the finalist 76ers), KG(Celtics), Oscar(Bucks), West(luring Wilt to LA) and Barkley(arguably, Suns & Rockets) are, is stupid beyond belief.

I post this as a guy who doesn't like either Lebron or Jordan, but who firmly believes Jordan is GOAT. So anything you say about either leaves me unphazed.

MJ led in apg for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen, and assisted on the most Bulls field goals for both 3-peats (led in assist %):

Assist percentage 91-93' Playoffs - MJ 30.3%, Pip 22.3%
Assist Percentage 96-98' Playoffs - MJ 22.3%, Pip 22.1%


So your comments that the 96' Bulls worked so well because Pippen got everyone the ball could be said for Jordan in the 6 of 9 runs that he led apg alongside Pippen (88/88/90/91/93/97).. and MJ assisted on the most bulls field goals during the 1st and 2nd three-peat runs (led in assist %), as the stats above show.. So you're wrong that Pippen got everyone the ball - MJ did just as much passing, while having the biggest scoring gap ever between a 1 and 2 option

And MJ wasn't a ball-stopper, or the triangle wouldn't work, nor would Phil think the triangle would work with MJ.. i.e. Phil wouldn't use triangle with a player like CP3 or Lebron because their skillsets prevent that kind of offense from running - the triangle doesn't use a PG, which means there's no primary ball-handler role period... Guys like Steve Kerr were catching the ball in the high post and handing off just like everyone else because it was an equal-opportunity offense where everyone ran the same routes - Pippen and MJ didn't really "run" the offense like a traditional PG - they simply made the most scoring and assist-wise with the opportunities the triangle provided.

Finally, Lebron has 3 rings but that's not good considering 1) he played 17 years... 2) got 9 chances by forming a strong team in a conference that didn't require one (dwight was winning with weak cast)... 3) team-hopped to the league favorite 3 times..

Btw, all ball-dominators will have low team ceiling/weak Finals record.. and will likely have trouble making the Finals at all without team-hopping

[Turbo Slayer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SFsWTr0AmI

:bowdown:

[ArbitraryWater]

when genghis khan saw mountains in the path of his invasion of persia he didn't give a blue fucc about efficient movement. He marched his cavalry right fuccin through them and conquered persia much to the shock and horror of the persians. History is written by do-ers not whiny limp wristed nano-penls phaggits worried about efficient movement or navigational efficiency or any other nerd concept. Le facking goat!


PERIOD. w

[STATUTORY]

Lebron's ball dominating style elevates bad players into passable role players

at the same time, ball domination diminishes and stifles great players

thats why Lebron never seem to have enough help, his style actively takes away from his supporting cast

[Axe]

When Genghis Khan saw mountains in the path of his invasion of Persia he didn't give a blue fucc about efficient movement. He marched his cavalry right fuccin through them and conquered Persia much to the shock and horror of the Persians. History is written by do-ers not whiny limp wristed nano-penls phaggits worried about efficient movement or navigational efficiency or any other nerd concept. Le facking GOAT!
A great philosopher you are with a resonating talent of an exceptional author. 👏👏👏

[Wally450]

Why did the Bulls without MJ win 54 games? Simple question.

[superduper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SFsWTr0AmI

:bowdown:

First 18 seconds JVG talking about a phantom flagarant foul on Fisher vs Bran.

All I had to see :oldlol:

[HakeemAlHilm]

How do you measure ball movement? We're looking at passes made per game? Assisted team field goals per game? What

[Vino24]

How do you measure ball movement? We're looking at passes made per game? Assisted team field goals per game? What

3ball going to duck this question

[3ball]

Lebron's ball dominating style elevates bad players into passable role players

at the same time, ball domination diminishes and stifles great players

thats why Lebron never seem to have enough help, his style actively takes away from his supporting cast
Good ball movement elevates bad players more - guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw wouldn't be as good alongside lebron

People overrate lebron's carrying ability due to him winning making 07' Finals with marginal cast (others like Dwight, AI, and Kidd also did it during that time period), and winning 66 with Mo Williams (nice achievement but lots of guys do that, aka Dirk won 67 in West with no cast, DeRozan won 60, Marc Gasol won 55+ in Memphis, etc, etc, etc)

The reality is that Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low playoff seeds in 04', 05', and 19', so he missed the underdog 1st Round matchups that MJ faced.. Lebron only made the playoffs with much-improved good teams/high seeds, and therefore easy 1st round matchups

It isn't that lebron wasn't good enough to carry lottery casts to low playoff seeds, because he actually missed the playoffs despite winning more games than MJ... But he still never had a low seed and therefore no 8 vs 1 matchup that MJ faced.. lebron only made playoffs with good teams/high seeds and therefore easy 1st Rd matchups

[FKAri]

Lebron's ball dominating style elevates bad players into passable role players

at the same time, ball domination diminishes and stifles great players

thats why Lebron never seem to have enough help, his style actively takes away from his supporting cast

Lebron's ball dominating style elevates bad players into passable role players
at the same time, Lebron ball lets great players be what they already are in comparison to Lebron,
passable role players.

[HakeemAlHilm]

Lebron's ball dominating style elevates bad players into passable role players

at the same time, ball domination diminishes and stifles great players

thats why Lebron never seem to have enough help, his style actively takes away from his supporting cast

How can you say this then blame Lebron for losing with a 29ppg sidekick?

I mean that was Kyries best stretch of playoff basketball ever in 2016 and 2017, its kinda contradictive.

You can argue Lebron turned Love into a spot up shooter but Love was already taking 5+ 3pointers a game from 2011 and took 7 a game in 2014 which is more than he ever did in Cleveland alongside Lebron. Not to mention his injuries, weight loss, etc. Pretty much all of those 3pointers were assisted too. Not to mention he was a 3rd option and shot attempts and touches will go down as expected, and its easier to put up numbers when theres no expectation of winning.

Wade was a superstar in 2011 alongside Lebron, and in 2012 his minutes got shortened and he missed 17 games out of the 66 in the shortened season but he was still that dude. Then he kept on declining but 2013 and 2014 were his most efficient seasons. In 2013 the Heat went all out tryna pull off 70 wins and that contributed even moreso to his decline but he still put up 21-5-5 at 31 after a bunch of injuries in 2012. 2014 he missed nearly 30 games and in the playoffs he was clearly not that dude anymore. He got more touches the next couple of seasons but his efficiency cratered and he still missed alot of games.

Bosh (who I think is the most underrated piece of those Heat teams) got moved from a 1st option on a team not expected to win much to a 3rd option on a contender. He had his own share of injuries including missing time in the 2012 playoffs and he was forced to guard legit 5s as a 4 in the non-small ball era. He wasn't taking much 3s but he was forced to move out of the paint to add more spacing and he did that well and was at his most efficient.

[ArbitraryWater]

How do you measure ball movement? We're looking at passes made per game? Assisted team field goals per game? What


3balls

[red1]

Good ball movement elevates bad players more - guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw wouldn't be as good alongside lebron

People overrate lebron's carrying ability due to him winning making 07' Finals with marginal cast (others like Dwight, AI, and Kidd also did it during that time period), and winning 66 with Mo Williams (nice achievement but lots of guys do that, aka Dirk won 67 in West with no cast, DeRozan won 60, Marc Gasol won 55+ in Memphis, etc, etc, etc)

The reality is that Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low playoff seeds in 04', 05', and 19', so he missed the underdog 1st Round matchups that MJ faced.. Lebron only made the playoffs with much-improved good teams/high seeds, and therefore easy 1st round matchups

It isn't that lebron wasn't good enough to carry lottery casts to low playoff seeds, because he actually missed the playoffs despite winning more games than MJ... But he still never had a low seed and therefore no 8 vs 1 matchup that MJ faced.. lebron only made playoffs with good teams/high seeds and therefore easy 1st Rd matchups

stop peddling your shitty theories dude. you already lost. you said lebron couldnt win by dominating the ball - he already won three rings with his style. the kyrie lebron ring alone proves every single one of your theories wrong.


lebron would win the ring every single year if he played with jordan's teammates and system that won 55 games without him. not to mention his measurably weak competition. if lebron played the '97 '98 jazz instead of the '17 and '18 warriors? :oldlol: :roll:

[3ball]

stop peddling your shitty theories dude. you already lost. you said lebron couldnt win by dominating the ball



No, I said his ball-dominant style was a big loser on the championship level

No one will lose every time - even the worst team ever won 9 games (9-72 Bobcats).. Lebron's ball-dominant skillset is essentially the "Bobcats" of the Finals

And lebron couldn't develop a 3-peat/55-win system because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow ball movement systems - which is why he gets beat by them instead

[Vino24]

Op stopped watching ball in 2003

[Axe]

Bobcats actually went 9-72 before? 🤔

[drennon]

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[3ball]

Op stopped watching ball in 2003
Watching live broadcasts on cable is old-fashioned

And doesn't help (hurts infact) your understanding of what's going on

That's why I predict critical things like the ortg explosion of recent years, Ingram's rise post-Lebron, or Lebron's overall failure to match MJ in recent years

[3ball]

Bobcats actually went 9-72 before? ��
Whoever it was that set the record for futility with 9 wins - that team

Or maybe the 10-72 clippers are the worst ever

Regardless, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset is essentially the "clippers" of the Finals, with among the worst championship record ever (18-32 in the Finals I believe)

And lebron couldn't develop a 3-peat/55-win system because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow ball movement systems - which is why he gets beat by them instead, aka Spurs, Warriors, Mavs, 90's triangle

[red1]

No, I said his ball-dominant style was a big loser on the championship level

No one will lose every time - even the worst team ever won 9 games (9-72 Bobcats).. Lebron's ball-dominant skillset is essentially the "Bobcats" of the Finals

And lebron couldn't develop a 3-peat/55-win system because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow ball movement systems - which is why he gets beat by them instead

why are you such a serial liar. you and I both know all of your theories have been murked by our boy lbj. the lebron-kyrie duo being championship worthy was just the final nail being driven into the coffin.

you CAN NOT win 3 finals MVPs without being a GOAT-tier player. I would say at least top-5, CERTAINLY top-10. point. blank. period.

lebron's teams win because he has been a beast. he brings a lot to the table for his team. and if he was drafted by the spurs and played with those boys in pop's system - he'd have even more rings. :oldlol:

[red1]

:roll:

skip is feeling the heat as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COaSEr6UC4Y



he has lbj as the mvp and the favorite for the chip. he's already making excuses - relax skip the lakers haven't even won anything yet. :roll:

[Axe]

Whoever it was that set the record for futility with 9 wins - that team

Or maybe the 10-72 clippers are the worst ever

Regardless, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset is essentially the "clippers" of the Finals, with among the worst championship record ever (18-32 in the Finals I believe)

And lebron couldn't develop a 3-peat/55-win system because his ball-dominant skillset doesn't allow ball movement systems - which is why he gets beat by them instead, aka Spurs, Warriors, Mavs, 90's triangle
Lol i kinda see now why people are disappointed with you and your so-called facts.

[3ball]

Lol i kinda see now why people are disappointed with you and your so-called facts.
No, people nit-pick meaningless things to avoid taking the losing side of the substance being argued

And in this case, you're quibbling over which team had the worst all-time record to avoid evaluating whether Lebron's Finals win-loss is similarly the worst-ever.. the most losing style ever in the championship, aka "clippers" of the Finals

[Axe]

No, people nit-pick meaningless things to avoid taking the losing side of the substance being argued

And in this case, you're quibbling over which team had the worst all-time record to avoid evaluating whether Lebron's Finals win-loss is similarly the worst-ever
Well why not? It gives me an impression to see whether you know what you're talking about or not.

[3ball]

Well why not? It gives me an impression to see whether you know what you're talking about or not.
I'll never understand that kind of pettiness and/or not understanding the argument being made (and whether an immaterial fact matters in discussing the point being made)

I still don't know whether to call Lebron's worst-ever championship-record of 3-pointer basketball the "clippers" of the Finals or another team, but it doesn't matter - bottom line is that lebron-ball is the most-losing/unsuccessful style ever in championships of 3-pointer basketball

[Axe]

I'll never understand that kind of pettiness and/or not understanding the argument being made (and whether an immaterial fact matters in discussing the point being made)

So he still don't know whether to call Lebron's worst-ever championship-record of 3-pointer basketball the "clippers" of the Finals or another team
Tbh i simply don't give a crap if he lost 6 series out of his 9 finals appearances. I was just trying to imply that what you've composed earlier was misleading. It looked like you didn't know which team had the worst record in nba history or what's the worst record of that team you're talking about in their history.

Anyway, go on and do your usual thing.

[3ball]

Tbh i simply don't give a crap if he lost 6 series out of his 9 finals appearances. I was just trying to imply that what you've composed earlier was misleading. It looked like you didn't know which team had the worst record in nba history or what's the worst record of that team you're talking about in their history.

Anyway, go on and do your usual thing.
I may not know who had the worst record in regular season history,......

But I know which franchise player has the worst championship record in the history of 3-pointer basketball

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I may not know who had the worst record in regular season history,......

But I know which franchise player has the worst championship record in the history of 3-pointer basketball

3ball my dude, you do KNOW how ridiculous you look right? you went from crying about ray allen and crying about the heat being stacked, to crying about kyrie and crying about lebrons finals record after running into the alltime stacked warriors.


when you gonna stop crying my dude? just admit that you were wrong. :oldlol:



never forget guys - 3ball thinks mo williams and scottie are in the same tier of player. what a complete moron. :roll:

[Axe]

I may not know who had the worst record in regular season history,......

But I know which franchise player has the worst championship record in the history of 3-pointer basketball
No problem about that. I just expect you to be more accurate in terms of sharing your knowledge in other basketball stuff.

[sdot_thadon]

This dude doesn't watch basketball, he just trolls. If he did, he'd know the heat teams categorically didn't play "Lebron ball" per se. It was only in spurts, they actually had pretty good ball movement and were somewhat of a field test for today's small ball. Lebron had in Wade a playmaker who could actually make his life easier scoring and his nunbers bear that out during that time. Lets not forget that its common knowledge that Mj had license to, and frequently broke the triangle to freelance himself as well. But let's just continue the tangent of ignorance and ignore most of what i just typed for an important revelation:

So Lebron ball was the suboptimal reason Lebron's teams failed? And Mj's supposed "ball movement" is the cookie cutter reason he won chips? Maybe you need a perspective shift to realize Lebron broke the "rules" and still won, that's goatness. He basically flew in the face of everything you say is the right way to win and still managed to win 3 on some Frank Sinatra I did it my way shit? Greats blaze their own trails. You further highlight Lebron's case every post.

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This dude doesn't watch basketball, he just trolls. If he did, he'd know the heat teams categorically didn't play "Lebron ball" per se. It was only in spurts, they actually had pretty good ball movement and were somewhat of a field test for today's small ball. Lebron had in Wade a playmaker who could actually make his life easier scoring and his nunbers bear that out during that time. Lets not forget that its common knowledge that Mj had license to, and frequently broke the triangle to freelance himself as well. But let's just continue the tangent of ignorance and ignore most of what i just typed for an important revelation:

So Lebron ball was the suboptimal reason Lebron's teams failed? And Mj's supposed "ball movement" is the cookie cutter reason he won chips? Maybe you need a perspective shift to realize Lebron broke the "rules" and still won, that's goatness. He basically flew in the face of everything you say is the right way to win and still managed to win 3 on some Frank Sinatra I did it my way shit? Greats blaze their own trails. You further highlight Lebron's case every post.

his argument was literally that lebron cant win by dominating the ball.

then he literally did just that and won - AGAIN - proving 3ball to be a complete windbag once again.



what happened next? surprise surprise - 3ball started crying about kyrie the EXACT way he was crying about ray allen. :roll:


"buh buh buh 1 for 9 without ray allen and kyrie miracle shots"


too bad 3 finals MVPs, suck these nuts 3ball. I've got a lot of free time so I wont stop rubbing it in. its been fun destroying you over the years. :)


https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2018/09/02150919/GettyImages-170832791-e1572979421904-1024x683.jpg
https://kingjamesgospel.com/files/2016/08/9349709-stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-nba-finals-cleveland-cavaliers-golden-state-warriors.jpg

[3ball]

No problem about that. I just expect you to be more accurate in terms of sharing your knowledge in other basketball stuff.
No, it makes no difference to the point being made

You just want to nit-pick to avoid the point being made

Complaining about "accuracy" is a diversion and dumb

[3ball]

This dude doesn't watch basketball, he just trolls. If he did, he'd know the heat teams categorically didn't play "Lebron ball" per se. It was only in spurts, they actually had pretty good ball movement and were somewhat of a field test for today's small ball. Lebron had in Wade a playmaker who could actually make his life easier scoring and his nunbers bear that out during that time. Lets not forget that its common knowledge that Mj had license to, and frequently broke the triangle to freelance himself as well. But let's just continue the tangent of ignorance and ignore most of what i just typed for an important revelation:

So Lebron ball was the suboptimal reason Lebron's teams failed? And Mj's supposed "ball movement" is the cookie cutter reason he won chips? Maybe you need a perspective shift to realize Lebron broke the "rules" and still won, that's goatness. He basically flew in the face of everything you say is the right way to win and still managed to win 3 on some Frank Sinatra I did it my way shit? Greats blaze their own trails. You further highlight Lebron's case every post.
His ball-dominance is literally the biggest loser ever on the championship level of 3-pointer basketball

That's all I need to say

the facts back me up, while you're left to write a wall of excuses

Biggest loser ever in the championship - accept it - his ball-dominant skillset results in weaker teams than the ball movement systems of MJ, so he loses in the championship

[HakeemAlHilm]

I still haven't had a response to my question.

How do you measure ball dominance? (Especially pre-2014 which theres no publicly available stats on time of possession/touches per game)

How do you measure ball movement?

[3ball]

I still haven't had a response to my question.

How do you measure ball dominance? (Especially pre-2014 which theres no publicly available stats on time of possession/touches per game)

How do you measure ball movement?





I measure it by what everyone thought at the time, aka common knowledge, like this Spurs commercial from 2012 (before time of possession stats):



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmuEDO2gFA


It's no secret that the Spurs are considered that "smart" team that moves the ball really well.. Ditto the Warriors.

So I go by common knowledge

Similarly, everyone knew the Bulls were that "smart" team that ran the triangle with textbook teamwork.. Or that the 80's Celtics and Lakers moved the ball really well.

Otoh, everyone knows that CP3, Lebron, Harden, etc have a different type of team where the best player dominates the ball most possessions - this is common knowledge, but their lesser ball movement is also characterized by weak team assist rankings and low assisted numbers for the leading scorer (teammates don't get to assist ball-dominators)..

But again, it's mostly common knowledge that CP3 and Lebron's teams rely on their ball-domination in place of ball movement, which tends to fail on the championship level..

Ultimately, their ball-domination doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams as much as the ball movement they face on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off offensively.. in short, ball-domination loses the attrition battle on the championship level - again, this is all intuitive.. i.e. we saw the Spurs figure out CP3-ball back in the day and win the last 3 games going away just like all 6 of Lebron's Finals losses.. obviously, this isn't coincidence.

[ArbitraryWater]

this nikka says common knowledge and just goes by his own biased opionion lmaoo

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I measure it by what everyone thought at the time, aka common knowledge, like this Spurs commercial from 2012 (before time of possession stats):



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmuEDO2gFA


It's no secret that the Spurs are considered that "smart" team that moves the ball really well.. Ditto the Warriors.

So I go by common knowledge

Similarly, everyone knew the Bulls were that "smart" team that ran the triangle with textbook teamwork.. Or that the 80's Celtics and Lakers moved the ball really well.

Otoh, everyone knows that CP3, Lebron, Harden, etc have a different type of team where the best player dominates the ball most possessions - this is common knowledge, but their lesser ball movement is also characterized by weak team assist rankings and low assisted numbers for the leading scorer (teammates don't get to assist ball-dominators)..

But again, it's mostly common knowledge that CP3 and Lebron's teams rely on their ball-domination in place of ball movement, which tends to fail on the championship level..

Ultimately, their ball-domination doesn't shift defenses/wear down teams as much as the ball movement they face on the championship level, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to go off offensively.. in short, ball-domination loses the attrition battle on the championship level - again, this is all intuitive.. i.e. we saw the Spurs figure out CP3-ball back in the day and win the last 3 games going away just like all 6 of Lebron's Finals losses.. obviously, this isn't coincidence.

weak garbage theories as per usual. your entire post was just to say lebron has 6 losses because you think that elevates mj. dude jordan is 1-9 without pippen. and his team won 55-games the season after he left.


ball movement is OBVIOUSLY important. the cavs were a great offensive team - they only lost because kyrie was injured and they had a literal 6man rotation with delly stepping up big actually giving them a chance, and then they played the alltime stacked warriors later. mj never even played a team CLOSE to that so shut the **** up because he'd lose too. ESPECIALLY in 2018, there's no arguing otherwise.


your theory was that lebron wouldnt win and he won with kyrie as his running-mate like you said he couldn't, so again you're full of shit. shut the **** up, you dont know what you're talking about. you already lost bitch. just take your L clown.


1-9.

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shook just like skip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COaSEr6UC4Y


guy is already making excuses :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

this nikka says common knowledge and just goes by his own biased opionion lmaoo
I said common knowledge and then posted an NBA promo that advertised how great the Spurs moved the ball... :hammerhead:

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dude your lbj ball-dominating theories have been blown into oblivion. lbj is a GOAT. cp3 is also good enough to lead a team to a title. lebron with a healthy team easily could have had 4 rings and finals MVPs because 2015 was just there for the taking, with kyrie alone. he could go 3/100 and you'd still be wrong because you LITERALLY ARGUED THAT HE COULDNT WIN. you literally argued that lebron isnt top 15. and you blame ray allen and kyrie. :roll:

if thats not the most bitch-ass fanboy shit, then I dont know what to tell you. you aren't even a bulls fan - how could you compare scottie pippen to maurice ****ing williams, or the other bulls to mediocre players like varejao and delonte west?


Im back to rub in all of the debates over the years - that you already lost mind you :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

I said common knowledge and then posted an NBA promo that advertised how great the Spurs moved the ball... :hammerhead:


yeah nikka, and what would you do without that ad? Lmao

[3ball]

yeah nikka, and what would you do without that ad? Lmao

That's my point - you would never see such a commercial for Lebron, but you would for the Spurs, Warriors or 90's Bulls

[3ball]

MJ basically had the superior skillset of bird/curry (goat shooting, fundamentals and team brand of ball/team ceiling)

with the goat athleticism of a Lebron/Dr. J, Iverson, etc

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MJ basically had the superior skillset of bird/curry (goat shooting, fundamentals and team brand of ball/team ceiling)

with the goat athleticism of a Lebron/Dr. J, etc
mj had scottie "tree-trunk" pippen.


his reach was so long he had hands that go down to his knees just standing, says john salley. MJ definitely benefited from getting carried by those long arms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Ie6oT8Q_k

[regnortSkcaB]

3ball has em boys on strings. The loudest mouth doesn't even realize it.

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3ball has em boys on strings. The loudest mouth doesn't even realize it.

shut the **** up egokiller. I know thats you. :oldlol:



or should I say straight_ballin. if anything I have YOU in tucked away in a cage. :oldlol: