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Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:17 AM
There seem to be some people who think this isn't the answer. Just a reminder they are being deluded if they think it isn't.

FromDowntown
12-22-2019, 01:19 AM
He is my favorite player and if he won 1 FMVP I might agree. Top 3 no doubt.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:22 AM
He is my favorite player and if he won 1 FMVP I might agree. Top 3 no doubt.

An answer which pretty much explains what is going on and showing how people are being hoodwinked. FMVPs are voted on by media. People who argue this show they are allowing others to think for them.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-22-2019, 01:26 AM
Top 5 but 0 case for player of the decade with 0 FMVPs

Steph was never the best player on his team during a finals series

2015 - Iggy
2016 - Draymond
2017 - KD
2018 - KD
2019 - Klay

if it was regular season player of the decade he has a stronger argument but still no

Dray n Klay
12-22-2019, 01:27 AM
How can you be player of the decade and not be the best player in the league in any one of those years?

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:31 AM
Top 5 but 0 case for player of the decade with 0 FMVPs

Steph was never the best player on his team during a finals series

2015 - Iggy
2016 - Draymond
2017 - KD
2018 - KD
2019 - Klay

if it was regular season player of the decade he has a stronger argument but still no

Except he was clearly the best player on his team in the 2015 finals and if the 2019 series against the Rockets showed anything the most important in the others whether he seemed to be dominating or not. But again go with the invented narrative that flies against the fact that what Curry's teams have achieved haven't been accomplished by other greats.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:33 AM
How can you be player of the decade and not be the best player in the league in any one of those years?


Who was the best player in 2015? How so? 2016? How so? 2017? How so?

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-22-2019, 01:34 AM
Except he was clearly the best player on his team in the 2015 finals and if the 2019 series against the Rockets showed anything the most important in the others whether he seemed to be dominating or not. But again go with the invented narrative that flies against the fact that what Curry's teams have achieved haven't been accomplished by other greats.

except he wasnt. Warriors got destroyed with Iggy off the court in 2015 fiinals. That was a defensive series and Iggy was the best defensive player by far and shut Bran down when he was on the court. Offensively Iggy was the 3rd best player by a large margin too.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:36 AM
except he wasnt. Warriors got destroyed with Iggy off the court in 2015 fiinals. That was a defensive series and Iggy was the best defensive player by far and shut Bran down when he was on the court. Offensively Iggy was the 3rd best player by a large margin too.

The chances of the Warriors winning that series without Curry were nil. They could still win it without Andre.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-22-2019, 01:41 AM
The chances of the Warriors winning that series without Curry were nil. They could still win it without Andre.


LBJ' on-court performance:

Iguodala on Bench: 44% FG, 82% FT, 47% eFG, +30 +/-, 107.4 offrtg, 88.6 defrtg, +18.8 netrtg

Iguodala on Court: 38% FG, 66% FT, 41% eFG, -55 +/-, 94.1 offrtg, 109.7 defrtg, -15.5 netrtg

Warriors' on-court performance:

Iguodala on Bench: 91.2 offrtg, 100.2 defrtg, -8.9 netrtg, 83.8 pts per 48 min

Iguodala on Court: 108.8 offrtg, 91.6 defrtg, +17.2 netrtg, 101.9 pts per 48 min

yeah no
it was the other way around babyboi

Warriors have 0 shot winning that series without Iggy. Steph got outplayed by Kyrie game 1 and outplayed by Delly in 2/5 games he started including an alltime bad game where he got clamped. Only reason Steph went off later was b/c Delly needed IVs and was dying from playing 30MPG.

Bran was bullying everyone including Draymond. When Iggy was playing he locked his sht up and still put up 16/6/4 on 52% shooting (40% from 3)

He was easily the most impactful player of the finals and its not close

ImKobe
12-22-2019, 01:44 AM
3/5 in the Finals, 67, 65 and 73-win Regular Seasons, 16 - 1 title run with a 12 - 0 Western Conference sweep. Two MVPs with one of them being unanimous, best individual RS of the decade, GOAT 3-Point shooter of the decade.

Best player of the decade.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:48 AM
yeah no
it was the other way around babyboi

Warriors have 0 shot winning that series without Iggy. Steph got outplayed by Kyrie game 1 and outplayed by Delly in 2/5 games he started including an alltime bad game where he got clamped. Only reason Steph went off later was b/c Delly needed IVs and was dying from playing 30MPG.

Bran was bullying everyone including Draymond. When Iggy was playing he locked his sht up and still put up 16/6/4 on 52% shooting (40% from 3)

He was easily the most impactful player of the finals and its not close

As I remember the Cavs lost game one for all of Kyrie supposedly outplaying Curry and arguing Delly was excellent is simply the mirror argument for Iguodala. If the Cavaliers had won that series who was going to choose Delly as most valuable player? By the way it's no accident Delly needed IVs, Curry played his part in that.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:50 AM
3/5 in the Finals, 67, 65 and 73-win Regular Seasons, 16 - 1 title run with a 12 - 0 Western Conference sweep. Two MVPs with one of them being unanimous, best individual RS of the decade, GOAT 3-Point shooter of the decade.

Best player of the decade.

Right. Accomplishments even other greats did not match or strained to. He also changed the game.

Doranku
12-22-2019, 01:50 AM
LeBron:

Regular season - 26.6 pts/7.7 rbds/7.6 asts on 53/36/73 in 679 games
Playoffs - 28.8 pts/9.1 rbds/6.9 asts on 50/34/74 in 168 games

2 MVPS
3 rings
3 FMVPs
10-time All-Star
9 All-NBA first teams
1 All-NBA third team
3 NBA All-Defensive first team
1 NBA All-Defensive second team

Steph:

Regular season - 24.2 pts/4.5 rbds/6.7 asts on 48/44/91 in 618 games
Playoffs - 26.5 pts/5.4 rbds/6.3 asts on 45/40/91 in 112 games

2 MVPs
3 rings
0 FMVPs
6-time All-Star
3 All-NBA first teams
2 All-NBA second teams
1 All-NBA third team
0 NBA All-Defensive teams

It's really not close. :lol

SpaceJam
12-22-2019, 01:51 AM
Credentials: 3x MVP, 3x champion, 3x Finals MVP, 10-time All-NBA (9x First Team), 5x All-Defense

Credentials: 1x MVP, 2x champion, 2x Finals MVP, 9x All-NBA (6x First Team)

Credentials: 2x MVP, 3x champion, 6x All-NBA (3x First Team)

It's really not that close

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 01:53 AM
LeBron:

Regular season - 26.6 pts/7.7 rbds/7.6 asts on 53/36/73 in 679 games
Playoffs - 28.8 pts/9.1 rbds/6.9 asts on 50/34/74 in 168 games

2 MVPS
3 rings
3 FMVPs
10-time All-Star
9 All-NBA first teams
1 All-NBA third team
3 NBA All-Defensive first team
1 NBA All-Defensive second team

Steph:

Regular season - 24.2 pts/4.5 rbds/6.7 asts on 48/44/91 in 618 games
Playoffs - 26.5 pts/5.4 rbds/6.3 asts on 45/40/91 in 112 games

2 MVPs
3 rings
0 FMVPs
6-time All-Star
3 All-NBA first teams
2 All-NBA second teams
1 All-NBA third team
0 NBA All-Defensive teams

It's really not close. :lol

A lot of counting but misses what matters.

If a certain Dr. L was considered the foremost expert in cancer for 9 years but it was Dr. C who found the cure for cancer doing something completely different to what was accepted wisdom at the time, Dr. C is still the greater cancer researcher.

The way Curry has weaponized the three alone would make him a strong candidate. That he did it with record breaking victories and forced defenses to evolve should rather easily make him the player of the decade.

SouBeachTalents
12-22-2019, 02:13 AM
LeBron:

Regular season - 26.6 pts/7.7 rbds/7.6 asts on 53/36/73 in 679 games
Playoffs - 28.8 pts/9.1 rbds/6.9 asts on 50/34/74 in 168 games

2 MVPS
3 rings
3 FMVPs
10-time All-Star
9 All-NBA first teams
1 All-NBA third team
3 NBA All-Defensive first team
1 NBA All-Defensive second team

Steph:

Regular season - 24.2 pts/4.5 rbds/6.7 asts on 48/44/91 in 618 games
Playoffs - 26.5 pts/5.4 rbds/6.3 asts on 45/40/91 in 112 games

2 MVPs
3 rings
0 FMVPs
6-time All-Star
3 All-NBA first teams
2 All-NBA second teams
1 All-NBA third team
0 NBA All-Defensive teams

It's really not close. :lol
Whoever looks at this and actually believes it's the 2nd player is deranged :lol

Plus LeBron has 3 MVP's from this decade too ('10, '12, & '13)

SpaceJam2
12-22-2019, 02:14 AM
Beta with 0 FMVPs? :lol

FMVPs
LBJ: 3
KD: 2
Kawhi: 2
Dirk: 1
Kobe: 1
Iggy: 1

Curry: 0

Foh :lol

Doranku
12-22-2019, 02:15 AM
Whoever looks at this and actually believes it's the 2nd player is deranged :lol

Plus LeBron has 3 MVP's from this decade too ('10, '12, & '13)

'09-10 counts as last decade, right? My numbers were from the 2010-11 season until now.

coin24
12-22-2019, 02:35 AM
Steph player of the decade ? What the fu.ck?:lol :lol

Cuck of the decade sure

Mask the Embiid
12-22-2019, 02:43 AM
He has a case but lebron dominated the decade longer so im going with the king.


The Dingo is 2nd tho followed by Durant 3rd Harden,Kawhi, and Westbrook in a 3way tie for 4th

FultzNationRISE
12-22-2019, 05:33 AM
fool Curry aint even the best Warrior of the decade :biggums:

elementally morale
12-22-2019, 05:47 AM
In a sense he is. He changed basketball the most. I think he wasn't the best player throughout the decade. With a bit of luck he could've ended up with 5 rings... but his disappearing act when the going gets tough prevents me from giving him the nod as the best player in the 2010s. He is the most revolutionary player though.

brutalBBQ
12-22-2019, 06:12 AM
Isn't small ball and 3 ball the brain child of Kerr...
If anything Curry and Klay were lucky to land him as a coach as the Knicks could have been the blueprint for small ball but he turned PJ down.

elementally morale
12-22-2019, 06:15 AM
Isn't small ball and 3 ball the brain child of Kerr...


Absolutely not. Don Nelson and Mike D'Antoni.

FultzNationRISE
12-22-2019, 06:23 AM
Absolutely not. Don Nelson and Mike D'Antoni.

This.

Little Boy Kerr probably has small balls, but he didnt come up with Small Ball.

brutalBBQ
12-22-2019, 06:32 AM
Absolutely not. Don Nelson and Mike D'Antoni.

True, I stand corrected, Howard and Nash couldn't run a pick and roll.

bobopenguin
12-22-2019, 07:15 AM
Curry was best in the team until KD arrives.

No Sir
12-22-2019, 07:42 AM
No case at all. A former teammate of his has a stronger argument:lol :facepalm

Bronbron23
12-22-2019, 08:00 AM
There seem to be some people who think this isn't the answer. Just a reminder they are being deluded if they think it isn't.
Nah bruh. 3 chips and 3 fmvps vs 3 chips and 0 MVP's. Stepf wasnt even The best player on his team in 2 of those

Steph has no argument whatsoever

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 10:35 AM
3 straight 67-win or more seasons.
Record 73-win season.
Record 16-1 playoffs.
Revolutionized offense.
Forced a revolution on defense.

Anyone can figure out all the above without media narrative spoonfeeding. Anyone can also notice LeBron doesn't compete in any of the above criteria. In fact almost no other greats in history do and those that can summon an argument are the true greats who don't need media embellishment to burnish their record.

brooks_thompson
12-22-2019, 10:54 AM
Yeah, maybe of the 1970s. Otherwise, gimme a break.

scuzzy
12-22-2019, 11:06 AM
Getting clamped up on the biggest stage by Delly, Shumpert and Fred VanVleet 5 years in a row doesn't snag you a nominee honor in this category.


Consistency, longevity and durability is everything here


4/55 for participation though

Rico2016
12-22-2019, 11:09 AM
Getting clamped up on the biggest stage by Delly, Shumpert and Fred VanVleet 5 years in a row doesn't snag you a nominee honor in this category.


Consistency, longevity and durability is everything here


4/55 for participation though


Plus in 2016 Finals, the biggest stage of all b-ball history, he committed more TO than Assists. Can't think of the last time a 1st option did that for an entire Finals series. It was pretty bad.

Keno
12-22-2019, 11:13 AM
There’s no way in hell you can be player of the decade when you’ve been irrelevant for more than half of it. :lol

2010-2014: nobody heard of curry.

2016: peaked.

2018 and 2019: irrelevant.

Also, 0 fmvp.

brooks_thompson
12-22-2019, 11:14 AM
Plus in 2016 Finals, the biggest stage of all b-ball history, he committed more TO than Assists. Can't think of the last time a 1st option did that for an entire Finals series. It was pretty bad.

The late-game 7 behind the back pass intended for Thompson that went out of bounds is probably the biggest boneheaded move in a high-pressure situation in NBA history. Dumber than JR Smith's 'what's the score' fiasco in 2018. I would've strangled him if I was Kerr.

brooks_thompson
12-22-2019, 11:17 AM
Also, when he couldn't beat Kevin Love off the dribble, he should've passed it to Klay on the wing who was ready to fire. And we know damn well Klay can fire away from 27 with no space at all.

scuzzy
12-22-2019, 11:30 AM
Plus in 2016 Finals, the biggest stage of all b-ball history, he committed more TO than Assists. Can't think of the last time a 1st option did that for an entire Finals series. It was pretty bad.
Yeah, the flat out truth here is there's not a single memorable Curry 'Finals' moment the past 5 years you can look back on and remember.

And not much in the playoffs in general

-Dray had his 32 point gm 7 trip dub and defensive stops
-Durant hit the notable shots in crunch
-Klay's big games brought them back in multiple WCF's
-Iggy shifted the entire momentum in 2015

There's not one iconic 'Curry' moment in the postseason you can point to and say yeah he owned it. Not one.

He, similar to Kobe will always be just another regular season scoring guy. But give Kobe credit, at least attempted to step up when pressure arrived. Curry completely disappeared when the lights shine brightest

SpaceJam2
12-22-2019, 11:53 AM
3 straight 67-win or more seasons.
Record 73-win season.
Record 16-1 playoffs.
Revolutionized offense.
Forced a revolution on defense.

Anyone can figure out all the above without media narrative spoonfeeding. Anyone can also notice LeBron doesn't compete in any of the above criteria. In fact almost no other greats in history do and those that can summon an argument are the true greats who don't need media embellishment to burnish their record.


KD did the heavy lifting tho :lol

Imagine winning 73 games and then being a snake like KD and joining that team that beat you

warriorfan
12-22-2019, 12:01 PM
Yeah, the flat out truth here is there's not a single memorable Curry 'Finals' moment the past 5 years you can look back on and remember.

And not much in the playoffs in general

-Dray had his 32 point gm 7 trip dub and defensive stops
-Durant hit the notable shots in crunch
-Klay's big games brought them back in multiple WCF's
-Iggy shifted the entire momentum in 2015

There's not one iconic 'Curry' moment in the postseason you can point to and say yeah he owned it. Not one.

He, similar to Kobe will always be just another regular season scoring guy. But give Kobe credit, at least attempted to step up when pressure arrived. Curry completely disappeared when the lights shine brightest

He has the record for most points scored in over time history and did it in a big playoff game...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS66Uu0bb4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0rQGh5ego

Career Playoff Stats - 26/5.4/6.3/1.6/.609 TS



Stick to Battlefield and looking up porno passwords with the

Manny98
12-22-2019, 12:01 PM
3 straight 67-win or more seasons.
Record 73-win season.
Record 16-1 playoffs.
Revolutionized offense.
Forced a revolution on defense.

Anyone can figure out all the above without media narrative spoonfeeding. Anyone can also notice LeBron doesn't compete in any of the above criteria. In fact almost no other greats in history do and those that can summon an argument are the true greats who don't need media embellishment to burnish their record.
Curry dominated for 3 years

LeBron dominated for the entire decade

3 MVPs
3 FMVPs
8 finals appearances
3 championships

BlakFrankWhite
12-22-2019, 12:02 PM
LeBron:

Regular season - 26.6 pts/7.7 rbds/7.6 asts on 53/36/73 in 679 games
Playoffs - 28.8 pts/9.1 rbds/6.9 asts on 50/34/74 in 168 games

2 MVPS
3 rings
3 FMVPs
10-time All-Star
9 All-NBA first teams
1 All-NBA third team
3 NBA All-Defensive first team
1 NBA All-Defensive second team



9x All first team in the golden era of SF's :bowdown: :bowdown:

scuzzy
12-22-2019, 12:23 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UrS66Uu0bb4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wn0rQGh5ego


Thanks for clarifying my point

- 1st-2nd rounds with little impact to the overall series
- One of which GSW had already secured 2 wins without him
- The other one GSW already led 2-0

A front running scorer who provided points in pressure free territory. Never when faced with adversary

5 years and couldn't even provide one from the Finals.

Indeed:cheers:


*shoulder shimmy*


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72-10
12-22-2019, 12:25 PM
I think he'll be the best player since 2000 before the decade's out:D

SpaceJam2
12-22-2019, 12:29 PM
Thanks for clarifying my point

- 1st-2nd rounds with little impact to the overall series
- One of which GSW had already secured 2 wins without him
- The other one GSW already led 2-0

A front running scorer who provided points in pressure free territory. Never when faced with adversary

5 years and couldn't even provide one from the Finals.

Indeed:cheers:


*shoulder shimmy*


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Ouch :lol

warriorfan
12-22-2019, 12:46 PM
Thanks for clarifying my point

- 1st-2nd rounds with little impact to the overall series
- One of which GSW had already secured 2 wins without him
- The other one GSW already led 2-0

A front running scorer who provided points in pressure free territory. Never when faced with adversary

5 years and couldn't even provide one from the Finals.

Indeed:cheers:


*shoulder shimmy*


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Curry coming back from injury to set a nba record for most points in OT...doing it on the road...is not iconic?


He lead one of the GOAT offenses with Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, and Andrew Bogut as his starting lineup. He is a winner. Steph Curry was the reason KD did anything. What happened when KD first faced LeBron’s superteam? He went home crying to his momma. He plays with Steph Curry getting double and triple teamed 30 feet from the basket and is able to score 35 points a game and get the W for once, wiping away the empty stats stigma that has followed him for his entire career.

tpols
12-22-2019, 02:14 PM
Easily...

was the leader and engine of the best dynasty of the decade (and one of the best all time).

Built it with klay thompson and a bunch of cast aways while other stars were teaming up with MVP caliber players.

Pure brilliance in terms of play, unique unorthodox style broke the league paradigm.

:bowdown:

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 02:37 PM
Nah, he wasn't really relevant for the first 3 years of the decade.

When the competition is a guy like Lebron...you can't have 3 out of 10 years in which you aren't even in the playoffs...and not even close to as good of a player for probably like half of the years as well.

superduper
12-22-2019, 02:40 PM
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Curry coming back from injury to set a nba record for most points in OT...doing it on the road...is not iconic?


He lead one of the GOAT offenses with Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, and Andrew Bogut as his starting lineup. He is a winner. Steph Curry was the reason KD did anything. What happened when KD first faced LeBron

warriorfan
12-22-2019, 02:46 PM
Nah, he wasn't really relevant for the first 3 years of the decade.

When the competition is a guy like Lebron...you can't have 3 out of 10 years in which you aren't even in the playoffs...and not even close to as good of a player for probably like half of the years as well.

Not being relevant you mean inheriting perhaps the worst organization in basketball at the time and organically building a dynasty that surpassed LeBron

tpols
12-22-2019, 02:47 PM
Nah, he wasn't really relevant for the first 3 years of the decade.

When the competition is a guy like Lebron...you can't have 3 out of 10 years in which you aren't even in the playoffs...and not even close to as good of a player for probably like half of the years as well.



when he shit on lebron directly with less talent, a couple years go out the window.

MJ didnt play for a couple years in the 90s... Chef was our air jordan this decade.

Fit and style matter more to winning than just getting your own.


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DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 02:48 PM
[QUOTE=warriorfan]Not being relevant you mean inheriting perhaps the worst organization in basketball at the time and organically building a dynasty that surpassed LeBron

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 02:50 PM
when he shit on lebron directly with less talent, a couple years go out the window.

MJ didnt play for a couple years in the 90s... Chef was our air jordan this decade.

Fit and style matter more to winning than just getting your own.


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Terrible comparison.

When Jordan played, he was clearly the best player.

Curry, if we are generous, had 2 years in which you could say he was the best probably, but it wasn't clear....

And, again, nobody was clearly better than Jordan for roughly half the decade. And, you know, he won 6 titles...etc...etc...etc.

tpols
12-22-2019, 03:00 PM
Terrible comparison.

When Jordan played, he was clearly the best player.

Curry, if we are generous, had 2 years in which you could say he was the best probably, but it wasn't clear....

And, again, nobody was clearly better than Jordan for roughly half the decade. And, you know, he won 6 titles...etc...etc...etc.


oh so now winning matters eh mate?

obviously chef aint jordan, that was just to illustrate the couple year thing doesnt really matter.

especially when he took a dump on his only competitor for the award.

give curry Wade, bosh, love, kyrie, anthony davis and see what he would do... then give lebron dray and klay and see what he would do.

:biggums:

RRR3
12-22-2019, 03:00 PM
Gotta love how Curry fans ignore LeBron embarrassing Curry in the finals the one year they had comparable help.

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 03:06 PM
oh so now winning matters eh mate?

obviously chef aint jordan, that was just to illustrate the couple year thing doesnt really matter.

especially when he took a dump on his only competitor for the award.

give curry Wade, bosh, love, kyrie, anthony davis and see what he would do... then give lebron dray and klay and see what he would do.

:biggums:

For a phrase like "player of the decade"...

I think how good a player was combined with how they did based on their circumstances are the two relevant factors.

Just comparing Curry vs Lebron as players...Lebron was clearly the better player over the course of the decade. When would it have been reasonable to say Curry was as good as Lebron?

Like, probably 2015...certainly not before 2014. You'd get laughed out of the room...even now...if you said Curry was better than Lebron in 10/11/12/13 for sure...and probably 14 as well...and it was a huge gap most of these years....a way bigger gap in favor of Lebron than it ever was in favor of Curry when he was better.

Then you have Lebron making the finals 8 times in the decade and winning 3 titles...although I think, given his circumstances, that isn't nearly as impressive as a lot of his diehard fans want it to be.

However, it still matters that he accomplished a lot while playing at the level he did.

It just really isn't that close.

Also, why the **** are you talking about help when Curry played on one of the most loaded squads in NBA history for 3 years...:facepalm

Walk on Water
12-22-2019, 03:08 PM
Only unanimous MVP.

ArbitraryWater
12-22-2019, 03:10 PM
curry, the engine of the goat dynasty who barring a kyrie injury would have led half of lebron's title teams while needing far more help in those two than lebron ever did :lol

regardless, if you say with a straight face curry was a better player than lebron in any season from 2010-2018, you're a massive idiot

tpols
12-22-2019, 03:20 PM
For a phrase like "player of the decade"...

I think how good a player was combined with how they did based on their circumstances are the two relevant factors.

Just comparing Curry vs Lebron as players...Lebron was clearly the better player over the course of the decade. When would it have been reasonable to say Curry was as good as Lebron?

Like, probably 2015...certainly not before 2014. You'd get laughed out of the room...even now...if you said Curry was better than Lebron in 10/11/12/13 for sure...and probably 14 as well...and it was a huge gap most of these years....a way bigger gap in favor of Lebron than it ever was in favor of Curry when he was better.

Then you have Lebron making the finals 8 times in the decade and winning 3 titles...although I think, given his circumstances, that isn't nearly as impressive as a lot of his diehard fans want it to be.

However, it still matters that he accomplished a lot while playing at the level he did.

It just really isn't that close.

Also, why the **** are you talking about help when Curry played on one of the most loaded squads in NBA history for 3 years...:facepalm


They were only loaded because durant joined.

dray and klay aint bosh and wade. Not even close. Thats not even mentioning kyrie love and davis.

The only reason Durant joined the GSW dynasty was because he was attracted to their perfect teamwork.

Wouldnt have been the same with bran.

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 03:23 PM
They were only loaded because durant joined.

dray and klay aint bosh and wade. Not even close. Thats not even mentioning kyrie love and davis.

The only reason Durant joined the GSW dynasty was because he was attracted to their perfect teamwork.

Wouldnt have been the same with bran.

Doesn't matter.

Lebron was the better player most of the years and had similar team success given the circumstances.

There is no argument for Curry.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 03:39 PM
Doesn't matter.

Lebron was the better player most of the years and had similar team success given the circumstances.

There is no argument for Curry.

LeBron wasn't as historic a player in the years he was better the way Curry was when he set milestones. Best regular season record. Best playoffs record. Not just this decade but in history. The case is self-explanatory.

LeBron? What's he best at again?

tpols
12-22-2019, 03:44 PM
Doesn't matter.

Lebron was the better player most of the years and had similar team success given the circumstances.

There is no argument for Curry.


No he didnt lmao.

The Heat massively underachieved on their dynasty expectations and his second team hop was punked by... Chef. (lesson in teamwork)

Nowhere near "similar success" ...bran was winning 50 some odd games and losing to big underdogs in the playoffs while Dingo was leading 73 win teams w/ rings to boot before Durant jumped ship.

Dray n Klay
12-22-2019, 03:46 PM
No he didnt lmao.

The Heat massively underachieved on their dynasty expectations and his second team hop was punked by... Chef.

Nowhere near "similar success" bran was winning 50 some odd games and losing to big underdogs in the playoffs while Dingo was leading 73 win teams w/ rings to boot before Durant jumped ship


Such bs, LeBron joined a 47 win team in 2010 and b2b’d, then joined a 33 win team in 2014 and beat the 73 win Warriors


Also drew even with the Warriors in 2015 and 2018 Game 1 with massively less help than Steph :lol


Everything else is just smoke

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 03:55 PM
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]Such bs, LeBron joined a 47 win team in 2010 and b2b

tpols
12-22-2019, 04:06 PM
[QUOTE=Stephonit]Smoke and mirrors are what LeBron fans are using to puff up his r

Doranku
12-22-2019, 04:15 PM
The problem is that Curry can't sustain his regular season production in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Bran elevates his game.

Steph making his team better is great, but he isn't able to physically impose himself on defenses in the playoffs which is why he suffers imo. He isn't able to get easy buckets like the KDs, Brans, Kawhis, etc are able to get, especially because he isn't nearly aggressive enough at attacking the basket.

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 05:23 PM
No he didnt lmao.

The Heat massively underachieved on their dynasty expectations and his second team hop was punked by... Chef. (lesson in teamwork)

Nowhere near "similar success" ...bran was winning 50 some odd games and losing to big underdogs in the playoffs while Dingo was leading 73 win teams w/ rings to boot before Durant jumped ship.

I agree the Heat underachieved...they should have won 3 titles. Lebron, if he didn't choke, should have 4 titles. The EV out of a player as great as Lebron is 4 titles given his help.

Not sure what you are referencing to think what Curry did was more impressive in terms of winning over the entire decade that trumps Lebron.

Regardless though...we both know Lebron was a better basketball player than Curry, sometimes to huge degrees, over the course of the decade...

So, no, you'll be saying you were just joking about this "Curry is easily the best player of the decade" shit like you did in the other thread.

Again, go try to find real people and make sure they know you are being serious...and make the argument that Curry was easily a better player than Lebron from 2010 through 2019.

:cheers:

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 06:06 PM
I agree the Heat underachieved...they should have won 3 titles. Lebron, if he didn't choke, should have 4 titles. The EV out of a player as great as Lebron is 4 titles given his help.

Not sure what you are referencing to think what Curry did was more impressive in terms of winning over the entire decade that trumps Lebron.

Regardless though...we both know Lebron was a better basketball player than Curry, sometimes to huge degrees, over the course of the decade...

So, no, you'll be saying you were just joking about this "Curry is easily the best player of the decade" shit like you did in the other thread.

Again, go try to find real people and make sure they know you are being serious...and make the argument that Curry was easily a better player than Lebron from 2010 through 2019.

:cheers:

LeBron looks good at looking good but his results next to expectations makes me seriously question just how much of it is real and how much is hype. So no we both don't know if LeBron was a better basketball player than Curry. There is no precedent for Curry that allows for a confident evaluation of what he brings to the game in totality. Anyone who says they know LeBron is without doubt a better basketball player is repeating malarkey. Curry clearly can be more efficient and he has the winning record to back up the argument that's been more important than whatever it is that LeBron brings.

RRR3
12-22-2019, 06:08 PM
LeBron looks good at looking good but his results next to expectations makes me seriously question just how much of it is real and how much is hype. So no we both don't know if LeBron was a better basketball player than Curry. There is no precedent for Curry that allows for a confident evaluation of what he brings to the game in totality. Anyone who says they know LeBron is without doubt a better basketball player is repeating malarkey. Curry clearly can be more efficient and he has the winning record to back up the argument that's been more important than whatever it is that LeBron brings.
The only time they had equivalent supporting casts, LeBron won :confusedshrug:


Keep jacking off to Curry beating LeBron and gleaugers or giving him credit for stuff KD did doe.

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 06:10 PM
LeBron looks good at looking good but his results next to expectations makes me seriously question just how much of it is real and how much is hype. So no we both don't know if LeBron was a better basketball player than Curry. There is no precedent for Curry that allows for a confident evaluation of what he brings to the game in totality. Anyone who says they know LeBron is without doubt a better basketball player is repeating malarkey. Curry clearly can be more efficient and he has the winning record to back up the argument that's been more important than whatever it is that LeBron brings.

You really don't think we can safely say that Lebron was better at basketball from 2010 through 2014?

I mean...you guys are pushing the limits of what reasonable opinions can be.

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 06:19 PM
The only time they had equivalent supporting casts, LeBron won :confusedshrug:


Keep jacking off to Curry beating LeBron and gleaugers or giving him credit for stuff KD did doe.


When did they have an equivalent supporting cast? You thinking 2016?

LeBron fans are funny that they harp on that win as if it decides anything. It would be the equivalent of Shaq and Kobe fans touting their win over the Sacramento Kings as the peak of that Lakers run or Duncan Spurs fans proclaiming winning over the Suns in 2007 was the pinnacle of that team's success. But LeBron fans have nothing better to point to. Which should be a big clue on how rickety the entire LeBron James structure actually is.

RRR3
12-22-2019, 06:21 PM
When did they have an equivalent supporting cast? You thinking 2016?

LeBron fans are funny that they harp on that win as if it decides anything. It would be the equivalent of Shaq and Kobe fans touting their win over the Sacramento Kings as the peak of that Lakers run or Duncan Spurs fans proclaiming winning over the Suns in 2007 was the pinnacle of that team's success. But LeBron fans have nothing better to point to. Which should be a big clue on how rickety the entire LeBron James structure actually is.
It's hard to claim they had an equivalent supporting cast any other year if you're not a lying troll :confusedshrug:

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 06:21 PM
When did they have an equivalent supporting cast? You thinking 2016?

LeBron fans are funny that they harp on that win as if it decides anything. It would be the equivalent of Shaq and Kobe fans touting their win over the Sacramento Kings as the peak of that Lakers run or Duncan Spurs fans proclaiming winning over the Suns in 2007 was the pinnacle of that team's success. But LeBron fans have nothing better to point to. Which should be a big clue on how rickety the entire LeBron James structure actually is.

He's going to end his career in 5 or so years...perhaps sooner...and will universally be regarded as a top 8 player of all-time...with most people putting him top 5.

What the **** are you talking about?

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 06:23 PM
You really don't think we can safely say that Lebron was better at basketball from 2010 through 2014?

I mean...you guys are pushing the limits of what reasonable opinions can be.

What did LeBron do in 2010 through 2014 that deserves to be recognized as decade defining greatness? You a fan of the Decision? More marketing theatrics. The Beautiful Ball of the 2014 Spurs is a higher level of pure basketball than whatever LeBron achieved in that time span.

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 06:25 PM
What did LeBron do in 2010 through 2014 that deserves to be recognized as decade defining greatness? You a fan of the Decision? More marketing theatrics.

Let me try to lay it out for you as simply as I can.

If Lebron was clearly a better player than Curry for roughly half the decade...then how the **** can Curry be the player of the decade when the gap between Curry/Lebron...if there ever was one in favor of Curry...was much smaller.

You can't be the player of the decade when for at least 40% of the decade another player was clearly better...and then for the rest it is a toss up (and that is being beyond generous)...

You follow?

Stephonit
12-22-2019, 06:28 PM
Let me try to lay it out for you as simply as I can.

If Lebron was clearly a better player than Curry for roughly half the decade...then how the **** can Curry be the player of the decade when the gap between Curry/Lebron...if there ever was one in favor of Curry...was much smaller.

You can't be the player of the decade when for at least 40% of the decade another player was clearly better...and then for the rest it is a toss up (and that is being beyond generous)...

You follow?

Salieri was writing music longer than Mozart. That doesn't make him greater. You follow?

DMAVS41
12-22-2019, 06:30 PM
Salieri was writing music longer than Mozart. That doesn't make him greater. You follow?

I do.

So you are arguing that Curry's play from 2014 through 2019 was so far and away better than Lebron's that it trumps Curry being nowhere near as good as Lebron for at minimum 40% of the time in question.

I don't think you actually believe that.

But, ok...

Axe
09-27-2020, 01:11 AM
There seem to be some people who think this isn't the answer. Just a reminder they are being deluded if they think it isn't.
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