Greatest non-PG playmakers

[Rico2016]

Assist-to-turn over ratio for non PGs:

Reg season
LBJ: 2.10
MJ: 1.93
Pippen: 1.88
Wade: 1.71
Kobe: 1.57
KD: 1.31

Playoffs
LBJ: 1.95
MJ: 1.87
Pippen: 1.74
Kobe: 1.61
Wade: 1.49
KD: 1.27

LBJ is #1
Pippen is #3, ahead of Kobe, Wade, and KD.

[3ball]

MJ is the only player ever to average 10+ apg in a playoff series WITHOUT playing point guard/bringing the ball up

and he did it in the Finals against the at-the-time goat

[AirBonner]

MJ is the only player ever to average 10+ apg in a playoff series WITHOUT playing point guard/bringing the ball up

and he did it in the Finals against the at-the-time goat
LeGirth only player to lead everyone in everything for a finals series

[3ball]

LeGirth only player to lead everyone in everything for a finals series
MJ averaged over 40 in a Finals, so 11 more than Lebron's 16' Finals, and 13 more pace-adjusted

[superduper]

Kobe :applause:

Impressive for the "worst chucker in history"

[Rico2016]

MJ is the only player ever to average 10+ apg in a playoff series WITHOUT playing point guard/bringing the ball up

and he did it in the Finals against the at-the-time goat

LeBron is not a PG and has done this numerous times.


MJ averaged over 40 in a Finals, so 11 more than Lebron's 16' Finals, and 13 more pace-adjusted

And who was this feat accomplished against? Definitely not the GOAT 73 win team or anything close to it. And besides we know this that Jordan can score the ball, this is about passing and playmaking. Additionally, LeBron still scored 6900 to Jordan's 5900 points despite both reaching the playoffs the same # of times.


Kobe :applause:

Impressive for the "worst chucker in history"

Better than KD as a playmaker. Surprised me too. But also

Pippen > Kobe/Wade/KD as a playmaker. Also surprising.

[FKAri]

LeGirth only player to lead everyone in everything for a finals series
While beating a 73 win.
While coming back from 1-3 down.
While having 0 all-stars on his team.
While playing with a debilitating engorged sexual organ.
:pimp:

[72-10]

anyone who doesn't think Jordan's 91 Finals is close to LeBron's 2016 Finals is just fooling themselves

[Uncle Drew]

Kobe :applause:

Impressive for the "worst chucker in history"
Can't turn the ball over if you never pass.

[72-10]

completely left off Bird

I don't know who would call Kobe or KD facilitators

[Uncle Drew]

By the way OP, do you have the number if you included The Kobe Assist?

[72-10]

Can't turn the ball over if you never pass.

Actually it's rather shocking considering that usually when he was triple teamed and chose the rare instance of passing out of it, and likewise often when he was double teamed, he would throw it to the opposition. Can't forget he could feed Shaq almost at will though.

[Gil Renard]

Assist-to-turn over ratio for non PGs:

Reg season
LBJ: 2.10
MJ: 1.93
Pippen: 1.88
Wade: 1.71
Kobe: 1.57
KD: 1.31

Playoffs
LBJ: 1.95
MJ: 1.87
Pippen: 1.74
Kobe: 1.61
Wade: 1.49
KD: 1.27

LBJ is #1
Pippen is #3, ahead of Kobe, Wade, and KD.

:eek:

How much help did Jordan need?

[72-10]

don't you wonder how Jerry West did in this dept

[Dr Hawk]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT.

[Rico2016]

don't you wonder how Jerry West did in this dept

Not really, he was a PG and played in a primitive era.


Michael Jordan is the GOAT.

He could be, although he is definitley second to LeBron in playmaking.

[90sgoat]

Assist-to-turn over ratio for non PGs:

Reg season
LBJ: 2.10
MJ: 1.93
Pippen: 1.88
Wade: 1.71
Kobe: 1.57
KD: 1.31

Playoffs
LBJ: 1.95
MJ: 1.87
Pippen: 1.74
Kobe: 1.61
Wade: 1.49
KD: 1.27

LBJ is #1
Pippen is #3, ahead of Kobe, Wade, and KD.

Lol why are you not including Larry Bird?

Larry Bird has a career playoff AST/TO ratio of 2.2

[72-10]

Not really, he was a PG and played in a primitive era.



He could be, although he is definitley second to LeBron in playmaking.

I'd at least call West a combo guard

[Round Mound]

Bird was the best stationary and half court passer ever...

[Rico2016]

Lol why are you not including Larry Bird?

Larry Bird has a career playoff AST/TO ratio of 2.2

a) You are mental patient, he does not. He has a slightly higher AST/TO than LeBron in the playoffs and a much lower in the regular season.

b) Why do you lose every debate?

Assist-to-turn over ratio:

Reg season
LBJ: 2.10
Bird: 2.02
MJ: 1.93
Pippen: 1.88
Wade: 1.71
Kobe: 1.57
KD: 1.31

Playoffs
Bird: 2.09
LBJ: 1.95
MJ: 1.87
Pippen: 1.74
Kobe: 1.61
Wade: 1.49
KD: 1.27

Get some mental help.

[Gil Renard]

Lol why are you not including Larry Bird?

Larry Bird has a career playoff AST/TO ratio of 2.2

Why do you lie?

[Rico2016]

Why do you lie?

I can deduce two things based upon his pattern of posting. He is mentally ill (which is fine, just use medication) and he never finished college to understand basic numbers. Again, both are fine, just be aware of it and improve.

[LostCause]

Ben Taylor (Who Bron Stans cited as knowing what he's talking about and being a very credible source) listed his Top 10 playmakers of all time

https://soundcloud.com/thinkingbasketball/23-top-playmakers-in-nba-history

https://i.imgur.com/KcEZMnC.png

So at #2 for non-PG's.. Jordan

[Rico2016]

Ben Taylor (Who Bron Stans cited as knowing what he's talking about and being a very credible source) listed his Top 10 playmakers of all time

https://soundcloud.com/thinkingbasketball/23-top-playmakers-in-nba-history

https://i.imgur.com/KcEZMnC.png

So at #2 for non-PG's.. Jordan


Well then I guess it's a good thing we have factual statistical data to derive our opinions from such as LeBron being a far better playmaker than Jordan. Oftentimes feelings can get in the way of these things, so good thing the NBA tracks all of this stuff and we don't have to worry about voting with our hearts, but rather vote with our minds.

[LostCause]

Well then I guess it's a good thing we have factual statistical data to derive our opinions from such as LeBron being a far better playmaker than Jordan. Oftentimes feelings can get in the way of these things, so good thing the NBA tracks all of this stuff and we don't have to worry about voting with our hearts, but rather vote with our minds.

Nah Ben Taylor bases his opinions on actual data and knowledge of the game. In fact you Bron stans have proven to absolutely love his analysis

So according to him, Jordan's right on Brons heels

Good thing too. I guess for simple minds like yourself though, it's a good thing nice guy Ben goes over what playmaking actually is. Learn the game bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoLgSWA7n6g

It's more than just assists, you know? (You don't :oldlol: )

Go ahead and refute the actual data he provides then. I'll wait

[72-10]

Bird was the best stationary and half court passer ever...

:applause: