Imagine ranking someone top 30 all-time that opponents "didn't even think about"

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s


Bad Boy Pistons: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."


an actual quote and running theme by Pip's main opponent.. :roll:.. for a supposed "top 30 player"... :roll:


No seriously - how many more rings for Jordan if he had a real #2 that opponents had to "think about"?... :whatever:..

Pippen is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game whose game wouldn't work in the modern era - no 3-point shooting, no FT shooting, no mid-range shooting - that would result in Pippen being an Andre Roberson in today's game, or maybe Draymond in a system, but without Dray's alpha, so basically Roberson.

And we know for statistical fact that Pippen wasn't that critical to the Bulls' success - he wasn't outplaying other guys at his minute level (ws/48) more than role players like Grant, Kukoc, Kerr, and Rodman, were outplaying guys at THEIR minute level:

Pippen's rank on team for ws/48

1988 - 9th
1989 - 5th
1990 - 8th
1991 - 3rd (horace 2nd)
1992 - 3rd (horace)
1993 - 6th
1996 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by 0.001, essentially equal with pip)
1997 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by close margin again)
1998 - 2nd


Btw, former cast-off Kerr was outplaying guys at his minute level by more than the Heat's Ray Allen was outplaying guys at his minute level, which resulted in Kerr getting more win shares per 48 than HOF Allen.. So apparently Allen was playing too many minutes for the Heat - lesser minutes would've allowed him to face lower-minute players that he could dominate more, thereby contributing more to wins per 48 minutes (ws/48) and not getting out-performed by role player Kerr.

^^^ that's why the Bulls won 6 rings despite little star talent outside of Mike - their role players were being optimized and destroying their matchups.. Pippen's paltry 18 ppg and weak efficiency at 2nd option wasn't outplaying guys by much if at all, so his impact was minimal.

Ultimately, Pippen would be a better-dunking Andre Roberson in today's game..
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[FultzNationRISE]

Hahahahahaha lololololol woweeeeee!!!!!!!!


Imagine if I walked up and rocked you in the nose you stupid son of a bitch.

THEN WHAT??

[Akeem34TheDream]

When someone says Jordan fan I think of this guy LMAO. Bunch of losers.

[bigkingsfan]

Isiah Thomas: "LeBron James is a much better basketball player than Michael Jordan"

[RealSkipBayless]

Wow. The same can be said of Lebron.

Didn

[3ball]

When someone says Jordan fan I think of this guy LMAO. Bunch of losers.
You read the pre-edited version of the OP that probably didn't make much sense.

But I just edited the OP, so it should make better sense now.. Sorry for the inconvenience.. :cheers:

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s


Bad Boy Pistons: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."


an actual quote and running theme by Pip's main opponent.. :roll:.. for a supposed "top 30 player"... :roll:


No seriously - how many more rings for Jordan if he had a real #2 that opponents had to "think about"?... :whatever:..

Pippen is one of the most overrated players in the history of the game whose game wouldn't work in the modern era - no 3-point shooting, no FT shooting, no mid-range shooting - that would result in Pippen being an Andre Roberson in today's game, or maybe Draymond in a system, but without Dray's alpha, so basically Roberson.

And we know for statistical fact that Pippen wasn't that critical to the Bulls' success - he wasn't outplaying other guys at his minute level (ws/48) more than role players like Grant, Kukoc, Kerr, and Rodman, were outplaying guys at THEIR minute level:

Pippen's rank on team for ws/48

1988 - 9th
1989 - 5th
1990 - 8th
1991 - 3rd (horace 2nd)
1992 - 3rd (horace)
1993 - 6th
1996 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by 0.001, essentially equal with pip)
1997 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by close margin again)
1998 - 2nd


Btw, former cast-off Kerr was outplaying guys at his minute level by much more than the Heat's Ray Allen was outplaying guys at his minute level, which resulted in Kerr getting more win shares and win shares per 48 than HOF Allen.. So apparently Allen was playing too many minutes for the Heat - lesser minutes would've allowed him to face lower-minute players that he could dominate more, thereby contributing more to wins per 48 minutes (ws/48) and not getting out-performed by role player Kerr.

^^^ that's why the Bulls won 6 rings despite little star talent outside of Mike - their role players were being optimized and destroying their matchups.. Pippen's paltry 18 ppg and weak efficiency at 2nd option wasn't outplaying guys by much if at all, so his impact was minimal.

Ultimately, Pippen would be a better-dunking Andre Roberson in today's game..
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How does this guy not get banned?
Surely comparing Pippen to Andre Roberson is banworthy

[Uncle Drew]

1-9.

[3ball]

Didn’t SVG instruct his team to not double Lebron?


Yes SVG did that because he didn't have to worry about Lebron hitting 2-3 jumpers in a row to galvanize the Cavs and win the quarter running away..

Kobe used to do that all the time.. He'd win quarters just by getting hot for a few minutes and juicing the whole team.. He made coaches call timeouts every game to schedule the double-team or adjustment and get the ball out of his hands - a good jumpshot and jumpshot repertoire gives a player that quick-hitter lethality that commands doubles and adjustments... that's what you have to do against good jumpshooters like Kobe, Curry, Kawhi, MJ, Bird, etc...

^^^ All those guys have less exploitable games and better team offense because their jumpshots allow quick-hitter offense and defensive adjustments.. But SVG and Kerr know that you don't have to adjust against Lebron's lengthy dribbling forays.. Let him get 30 or 40 that way because it freezes out teammates, rather than a hot jumpshooter that can play off teammates and drive a defense into a panic of not knowing what threat to guard.

Pippen was more like Lebron - vastly exploitable because he lacks a knock-down jumper that you must fear at all times in the blink of an eye






Wow. The same can be said of Lebron.



MJ beat better teams than Dwight's Magic with worse help than Mo Williams:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will.. ECF:... 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:.' 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat '' #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper






Wow. The same can be said of Lebron.



MJ beat many teams including 60-win Finals teams despite having a worse team defensive ranking and far worse offensive help than Lebron had in 09'



Pippen's worst series (mostly Bulls' wins)


1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats during 96-98' playoffs - 17 on 40.8%

[Trollsmasher]

can't believe that Pip, a consensus top 30 player, was worse than Horace Grant

that means MJ played with 2 top 30 players:biggums: :biggums:

[3ball]

can't believe that Pip, a consensus top 30 player, was worse than Horace Grant

that means MJ played with 2 top 30 players:biggums: :biggums:
I'm not saying Pip is worse than Horace - I'm saying that a top 30 player can't have worse ws/48 than his teammates (outplaying the opposing matchup at his minute level less than his teammates did at their minute level, thus contributing less to wins then they did, aka less ws/48)

or he isn't top 30

So since Pippen almost never contributed as much to wins as his teammates, he can't possibly be top 30 and is therefore overrated like I've been saying, and like his main opponent said all along, among numerous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11593116&postcount=53) others.

[Turbo Slayer]

OP creating a Jordan thread once again. OP doesn't contribute to anything related to NBA other than Jordan :facepalm

How is OP not banned?

[Rico2016]

1-9

[red1]

1 - 9

[Rico2016]

1 - 9

[Turbo Slayer]

1 - 9

[3ball]

OP creating a Jordan thread once again. OP doesn't contribute to anything related to NBA other than Jordan :facepalm

How is OP not banned?



Thread Cliffs that triggered whining from Turbo Sprayer:


a top 30 player can't have worse ws/48 than his teammates (outplaying the opposing matchup at his minute level less than his teammates did at their minute level, thus contributing less to wins then they did, aka less ws/48)

or he isn't top 30

So since Pippen almost never contributed as much to wins as his teammates (ws/48), he can't possibly be top 30 and is therefore overrated like myself and his main opponent said all along, among numerous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11593116&postcount=53) others.
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[RRR3]

Ban OP.


Worst poster on this forum.

[Turbo Slayer]

Thread Cliffs that triggered whining from Turbo Sprayer:


a top 30 player can't have worse ws/48 than his teammates (outplaying the opposing matchup at his minute level less than his teammates did at their minute level, thus contributing less to wins then they did, aka less ws/48)

or he isn't top 30

So since Pippen almost never contributed as much to wins as his teammates, he can't possibly be top 30 and is therefore overrated like I've been saying, and like his main opponent said all along, among numerous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11593116&postcount=53) others. Love you. Im a 14 year old. :rockon:

[Turbo Slayer]

Ban OP.


Worst poster on this forum.
+1

Someone should create a thread titled, ''Should we ban 3ball?''

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

Ban OP.


Worst poster on this forum.
can you explain how a supposed top 30 player could have worse ws/48 than his teammates (outplaying the opposing matchup at his minute level less than his teammates did at their minute level, thus contributing less to wins then they did, aka less ws/48)

If you can't explain that ^^^, then:

since Pippen almost never contributed as much to wins as his teammates (ws/48), he can't possibly be top 30 and is therefore overrated like myself and his main opponent said all along, among numerous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11593116&postcount=53) others

[Lebron6]

Ban OP. :facepalm

He basically contributes to nothing other than Jordan/LeBron topics.

+1

:coleman:

[3ball]

How does this guy not get banned?



Banned for posting stats that you didn't respond to???... :biggums: ... :whatever:... (re-posted again below):



We know for statistical fact that Pippen wasn't that critical to the Bulls' success - he wasn't outplaying other guys at his minute level (ws/48) more than role players like Grant, Kukoc, Kerr, and Rodman, were outplaying guys at THEIR minute level, so he wasn't contributing as much to wins as they were (aka, less ws/48):

Pippen's rank on team for ws/48

1988 - 9th
1989 - 5th
1990 - 8th
1991 - 3rd (horace 2nd)
1992 - 3rd (horace)
1993 - 6th
1996 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by 0.001, essentially equal with pip)
1997 - 3rd (kukoc was 2nd, kerr was 4th by close margin again)
1998 - 2nd


Btw, former cast-off Kerr was outplaying guys at his minute level by more than the Heat's Ray Allen was outplaying guys at his minute level, which resulted in Kerr getting more win shares per 48 than HOF Allen.. So apparently Allen was playing too many minutes for the Heat - lesser minutes would've allowed him to face lower-minute players that he could dominate more, thereby contributing more to wins per 48 minutes (ws/48) and not getting out-performed by role player Kerr.

^^^ that's why the Bulls won 6 rings despite little star talent outside of Mike - their role players were being optimized and destroying their matchups.. Pippen's paltry 18 ppg and weak efficiency at 2nd option wasn't outplaying guys by much if at all, so his impact was minimal.





Surely comparing Pippen to Andre Roberson is banworthy


MJ took the Pistons to 6 games in 1989, and almost beat them in 1990, despite Pippen's 14 ppg and 14 PER

So MJ would've obviously beat the Pistons both years if he had Ingram's 26 ppg and 26 PER... And Ingram is only 22 years old, so he's younger than Pippen was in 89' and 90'
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[superduper]

Not a single person has attempted to refute OP's main point of the Piston opinion about Pippen.

They shook af.

[SouBeachTalents]

Then imagine that same guy getting voted as one of the 50 greatest players after just his 9th season :eek:

[Lebron6]

HE was in the top 30 the first list I found.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-time-50-11/

Go Pippen!

https://media.giphy.com/media/UddZtcUQtMgc8/giphy.gif :bowdown:

[3ball]

Then imagine that same guy getting voted as one of the 50 greatest players after just his 9th season :eek:
any 2nd option with the only 3-peat of the modern era on his resume would get the automatic nod over more deserving players, of which there were many

We already know that Pippen wasn't outplaying his matchup more than teammates outplayed theirs, and therefore wasn't contributing as much to wins as they were (less ws/48 than teammates) - this alone eliminates him from top 50 contention

[3ball]

HE was in the top 30 the first list I found.


https://www.slamonline.com/nba/slams-top-100-players-time-50-11/

Go Pippen!

https://media.giphy.com/media/UddZtcUQtMgc8/giphy.gif :bowdown:




1994 ECSF


Ewing..... 22.9.. 12.0.. 2.9.. 53.0 fg
Pippen.... 21.7'... 7.7.. 4.7.. 40.5 fg.. 3 chokes (sit-out game; dumb foul game; bad game 7)


So Pippen was outplayed as 1st option vs Knicks (shown above), and 2nd option (below):

X-man 92' ECF... 18.6 on 49.6%
Pippen 92' ECF... 16.0 on 40.2%*


* plus needed MJ to step in against X-man in Gm 7 (so outplayed by X-man in every way)

[SouBeachTalents]

1994 ECSF


Ewing..... 22.9.. 12.0.. 2.9.. 53.0 fg
Pippen.... 21.7'... 7.7.. 4.7.. 40.5 fg.. 3 chokes (sit-out game; dumb foul game; bad game 7)


Pippen outplayed as 1st option vs Knicks, and 2nd option:

X-man 92' ECF... 18.6 on 49.6%
Pippen 92' ECF... 16.0 on 40.2%... plus needed MJ to step in vs X-man in Gm 7
Lol at this pathetic cherry picking. Pippen outplayed the other teams 2nd option in every other significant series during the first 3peat. In some series he was even outplaying their first option ('91 & '92 ECF)

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[STATUTORY]

:roll: Bran stans BIG MAD, absolute fuming in this thread

[3ball]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-30-2019/iHvEZ1.gif





Lol at this pathetic cherry picking. Pippen outplayed the other teams 2nd option in every other significant series during the first 3peat. In some series he was even outplaying their first option ('91 & '92 ECF)


2nd option Kevin Willis or the SF Dominique (take your pick) destroyed Pip in the 1993 playoffs

In addition to getting destroyed on multiple occasions by Willis and X-man, nearly every 2nd option played Pippen pretty evenly, like hobbled Worthy in the 1991 Finals

Everyone got their normal averages on Pippen and most exceeded their normal averages, aka Dominique, Penny, Richard Dumas, Jerome Kersey, Detlef Schrempf, Worthy, X-man, Kevin Willis - you name it - Pippen virtually never "locked anyone down" as their primary defender (he did spot-duty on Magic in the 1991 Finals and Magic still got his, aka 19 and 13 assists on 60% ts)..

Everyone always got theirs on Pippen - he was simply overrated as an individual defender, aka he had trouble with pedestrian ballhandlers like Gerald Wilkins (above), let alone guys like teenager kobe or grant hill who had repeated highlights on Pippen.

Btw, not only was Pippen outplayed on multiple occasions during the 1st three-peat, but he was OFTEN outplayed during the 2nd three-peat (17.6 on 40.8% in 96-98' playoffs including many series of 15 on 33-38%... these would be huge career stains and knock guys like gary payton or duncan down the rankings, but pip gets a pass and therefore overrated).







MJ beat better teams than Dwight's Magic with worse help than Mo Williams:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will.. ECF:... 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:.' 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat '' #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper



^^^ Btw, anyone?

:yaohappy:
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[G0ATbe]

Pippen had more success without Jordan than the other way around.

[3ball]

SouBeach 1 and done itt after the last response, all facts

[AirBonner]

No Pip. No chip.

[egokiller]

Not a single person has attempted to refute OP's main point of the Piston opinion about Pippen.

They shook af.

The sad thing is that these 14 year old kids on here should be taking in everything 3ball tells them and trying to live vicariously through his MJ viewing experiences instead of wasting their life away hanging on the nuts of a team hopper than lost 6 finals. :no:

[RealSkipBayless]

SouBeach 1 and done itt after the last response, all facts
:eek: :eek:

[AirBonner]

NO PIP NO CHIP

[Smoke117]

From summer to now has a day even gone by where OP hasn't posted a Pippen thread? About how worthless he was and how Jordan was playing 1 vs the world? RMG says he's trolling, but does that really make him any less insane? The pure energy and time he has put into all his nonsense is mindblowing. I also don't get why any of you even humor him anymore? Every single thing he post is just a variation of something he posted previously...3 years ago. Scottie Pippen is my favorite player and nothing he says makes me respond with a "shrug". When someone has been so crazy and obsessed after so many years you are incapable of caring. That's what makes me wonder why so many of you engage with him? He'd go away if you just stop responding as attention is his greatest goal, but this is board of fellow trolls so of course the court master general will go on.

[SpaceJam2]

MJ was 1-9 before Pip and missed the playoffs all together after him

:lol Next

[3ball]

MJ was 1-9 before Pip and missed the playoffs all together after him

:lol Next
Jordan's 1-9 was an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while most stars like Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, and Kyrie MISS the playoffs in their first few years, therefore failing to establish the solid foundation that allows multiple organic rings.

But carry on with your nonsense.. it's fun educating you on the proper way to perceive this shit - if you perceive history correctly, then you can accurately predict the future.

[colts19]

Jordan's 1-9 was an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while most stars like Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, and Kyrie MISS the playoffs in their first few years, therefore failing to establish the solid foundation that allows multiple organic rings.

But carry on with your nonsense.. it's fun educating you on the proper way to perceive this shit - if you perceive history correctly, then you can accurately predict the future.

I agree with you on this^. However I do disagree with your take on Pippen. What made those Bulls teams great was having the 2 best perimeter defenders in the game on the floor at the same time. So no matter how his match up with the other teams 2nd best player turns out, it was still the overall effect of MJ and Pip that made the difference. I don't think any other player would have had the same effect.

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan's 1-9 was an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while most stars like Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, and Kyrie MISS the playoffs in their first few years, therefore failing to establish the solid foundation that allows multiple organic rings.

But carry on with your nonsense.. it's fun educating you on the proper way to perceive this shit - if you perceive history correctly, then you can accurately predict the future.

So lemme get this straight...

Mike was 1-9 before Pippen
Insert Pippen, Mikes gets rings

Mike leaves Pippen, Pippen Bulls only drop by 2 wins and make 2nd round (1995)
Mike comes back, still same results, lose in 2nd round (1996)

Mike plays without Piopen and wins ZERO rings

Anything else?

[3ball]

I agree with you on this^. However I do disagree with your take on Pippen.



The gap between 1 and 2 is bigger than the gap between 2 and 10:



Playoff PPG

1) Jordan...... 33.5


2) Iverson..... 29.7
3) West......... 29.1
4) Lebron...... 28.9
5) Durant...... 28.8
6) Barry......... 27.3
7) Elgin......... 27.0
8) Gervin...... 26.5
9 Curry......... 26.0
10) Hakem... 25.9


MJ was an aberrational scorer; he was that good

Why do I bring this up?... I bring it up because:

it's never optimal when a team needs 1 guy to score 4 more ppg than everyone in playoff history to win... So I'm always amused by posters like yourself who imply that the Bulls were somehow built optimally.

They were not, but MJ was simply that good to carry the scoring load... so the Bulls won with the league's scoring champ, which no other team ever did except in shaq and kareem's best season (00' and 71').






What made those Bulls teams great was having the 2 best perimeter defenders in the game on the floor at the same time.


^^^ That's a false narrative backed up by virtually nothing

the Bulls had the 7th ranked defense during the first 3-peat - the blazers had a better team defense despite only having Clyde and Buck Williams as good defenders, not MJ/Pip/Grant.. So Pippen's team defense is overrated, while his individual defense wasn't that great either, as previously mentioned (everyone got theirs on him)..

Again, the MJ/Pip duo resulted in the 7th team defense (below many of their opponents, i.e. knicks and blazers), and therefore wasn't the reason for the 6 rings.. It was infact the Bulls' OFFENSE (ortg) that ranked #2 all-time in 1991 and 1992, not their defense - and the Bulls' goat offense was because of MJ, and how he could fit goat scoring into a system that maximized role players.





What made those Bulls teams great was having the 2 best perimeter defenders in the game on the floor at the same time.


The reality is that when young players first hear about this so-called goat Bulls team, they look up the roster and are surprised to see low star power... So they start overrating guys like Pippen because they can't explain how a team wins 6 rings with such little star power..

But the answer to the Bulls' 6 rings is staring them in the face - the goat - specifically, the goat allowed the triangle to work..

the triangle was a system that allowed the Bulls' role players to destroy their matchup - guys like kerr would enter the game and kill for 10 minutes, thus destroying his 10 minute counterpart on the other team and generating equal win share to Pippen (who wasn't destroying his matchup), and higher win share than HOF's like the Ray Allen on the Heat (who couldn't dominate the guys at his minute level like Kerr did; Ray Allen simply played too many minutes on the Heat and should've been matched up against lower-minute players, so he could win his matchup more and generate higher win share for the team like Kerr did for the Bulls)..

So it was the guys like Kukoc and Horace that would come in and destroy their matchup (due to the triangle), while Pippen would destroy his matchup LESS (lower ws/48 than Horace and kukoc, and equal with kerr) - so pippen was contributing to wins LESS than kukoc and Horace... Meanwhile, MJ's goat scoring laid the foundation without disrupting the advantage the role players were getting from the triangle...

So again, the GOAT is why the Bulls won 6 rings without much star power... The MJ/Pippen defensive duo only resulted in the 7th-ranked team defense - so it merely ensured that their defense wasn't the reason they lost - but it was the Bulls' offense that was goat and allowed the 6 rings, not their 7th ranked defense.

[Manny98]

1-9 nuff said

[3ball]

1-9 nuff said
already destroyed - keep up

1-9 was an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while most stars like Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, and Kyrie MISS the playoffs in their first few years, therefore failing to establish the solid foundation that allows multiple organic rings.

But carry on with your nonsense.. it's fun educating you on the proper way to perceive this shit - if you perceive history correctly, then you can accurately predict the future.

[Hittin_Shots]

Hahahahahaha lololololol woweeeeee!!!!!!!!


Imagine if I walked up and rocked you in the nose you stupid son of a bitch.

THEN WHAT??

Thought u were in a wheelchair

[Manny98]

already destroyed - keep up

1-9 was an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while most stars like Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, and Kyrie MISS the playoffs in their first few years, therefore failing to establish the solid foundation that allows multiple organic rings.

But carry on with your nonsense.. it's fun educating you on the proper way to perceive this shit - if you perceive history correctly, then you can accurately predict the future.
Didn't read, 1-9 :lol

[BigShotBob]

Pippen is top 50 at best but definitely not top 30