Shooting has improved in the NBA

[DoctorP]

I'm watching these 90's slugfests and the lanes are super closed and the players are battling but when there are open shots, it's a struggle to hit. Especially the 3 ball.

This is where the NBA players have adjusted the most in the current game and I like the speed and flow of the NBA game right now. I'd rather see the Run N Gun than the defensive slopfests.

Knicks vs Bulls 1996 Playoffs Game 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgDD0Azp-EE)

[paksat]

you sure about that?

you sure "shooting has improved" ?

are you sure that shooting has improved, and that it's not because you can't even lay a finger on someone?

more like defense has severely regressed and every shot is "open" or "wide open" as 3 ball has already posted the stats for.

[paksat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW728Zm6gcY

an early 2000's player, but arenas in the video below has a laugh at this "swaggy" generation of "shooters"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZf0Gx4-5tU&t=217s

[DoctorP]

you sure about that?

you sure "shooting has improved" ?

are you sure that shooting has improved, and that it's not because you can't even lay a finger on someone?

more like defense has severely regressed and every shot is "open" or "wide open" as 3 ball has already posted the stats for.

watch the video. im clearly seeing open shots not being taken whereas now there would be no hesitation. also a ton of missed shots with plenty of spacing. maybe due to the exhaustion from the defensive tactics. but overall, a more boring brand of ball.


im not a fan of 90s NBA ball. Hated the Knicks and Cavs styles.

[paksat]

watch the video. im clearly seeing open shots not being taken whereas now there would be no hesitation. also a ton of missed shots with plenty of spacing. maybe due to the exhaustion from the defensive tactics. but overall, a more boring brand of ball.


im not a fan of 90s NBA ball. Hated the Knicks and Cavs styles.

I mean if you like 3 point contests, all the power to you I guess.

[DoctorP]

I mean if you like 3 point contests, all the power to you I guess.

yeah, i wrote that id rather have the run n gun 3 point contests over the defensive slopfests. More entertaining.

The best brand of ball is somewhere in the middle. I like the world game.

[MrFonzworth]

you sure about that?

you sure "shooting has improved" ?

are you sure that shooting has improved, and that it's not because you can't even lay a finger on someone?

more like defense has severely regressed and every shot is "open" or "wide open" as 3 ball has already posted the stats for.
You know literally nothing about basketball.

[madmax]

Most of NBA players were just not adapted to jack up a 3 pointer whenever it suits them back in those days...sure, there were some 3 point specialists like Kerr, Paxson, Miller and etc, but opponents knew their bread and butter and made sure to stick to them as close as possible defensively. It's also true that majority of guards and wings much preferred midrange shots, even if they are the least efficient shot in basketball nowadays, but was thought of much differently back then

[LAmbruh]

Not only has shooting and range gotten better, but ball handling has infinitely

People were in awe of Iverson and his high volume chucking on low efficiency.

Today the nba has SF/PF's with the same handles and mobility of AI but with BETTER shooting

That's not a knock on AI though, 90's were just badly depleted of talent it made AI look like an MVP. Specifically between 95-05

[305Baller]

THis Knicks team is garbage. Luckily the Bulls had Euros like Kukoc, Longley and Wennington to space the floor with their shooting....

the shooting was ABYSMAL HAHHAHAHAHAH

[paksat]

You know literally nothing about basketball.

I know this years usa team just got destroyed in fiba with your 3 point shoot out style

inb4 excuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msBfcMD4KJw&t=1807s

gilbert shows us just how TALENTED today's nba is with this gem.

[DoctorP]

I know this years usa team just got destroyed in fiba with your 3 point shoot out style

inb4 excuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msBfcMD4KJw&t=1807s

gilbert shows us just how TALENTED today's nba is with this gem.


heh. Those were not the NBAs best shooters. Not a great shooting team at all.

[LAmbruh]

I know this years usa team just got destroyed in fiba with your 3 point shoot out style

inb4 excuses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msBfcMD4KJw&t=1807s

gilbert shows us just how TALENTED today's nba is with this gem.

The same 19yo Arenas who dropped 41 piece on MJ's head ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DFf99E2slg


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in B4 excuses

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[Kblaze8855]

Not only has shooting and range gotten better, but ball handling has infinitely

People were in awe of Iverson and his high volume chucking on low efficiency.

Today the nba has SF/PF's with the same handles and mobility of AI but with BETTER shooting

That's not a knock on AI though, 90's were just badly depleted of talent it made AI look like an MVP. Specifically between 95-05

There will never be a typical sized 4 with the mobility of Allen Iverson. Humans don

[LAmbruh]

There will never be a typical sized 4 with the mobility of Allen Iverson. Humans don’t work that way. One who was as fast still wouldn’t be as agile.6'8, 300 lbs, #1 pick, rookie, still growing, Power Forward


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fans better hope he doesn't develop even a slightly consistant jumper or its lights out league

[305Baller]

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quickness of a guard
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defends 1-5
rebounds with the best


fans better hope he doesn't develop even a slightly consistant jumper or its lights out league

Iverson???
Iverson???

Practice???


More like the handles of a Justice Wins-low

HAHAHHAHAHAHAA


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Just grew a bit myself :biggums:

[305Baller]

cant wait for the season to start to clown this fatass

hahahaaha

[Bronbron23]

I'm watching these 90's slugfests and the lanes are super closed and the players are battling but when there are open shots, it's a struggle to hit. Especially the 3 ball.

This is where the NBA players have adjusted the most in the current game and I like the speed and flow of the NBA game right now. I'd rather see the Run N Gun than the defensive slopfests.

Knicks vs Bulls 1996 Playoffs Game 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgDD0Azp-EE)
Yeah this is a no brainier. It's a different eras is all. The three is used more now so obviously guys work on it more and are better. Just like in the 90's and 80's the post was used more and guys were much better than bigs in the post now. Great athlete's are great regardless though. They'd adjust no matter what era there in.

[Kblaze8855]

Most of NBA players were just not adapted to jack up a 3 pointer whenever it suits them back in those days...sure, there were some 3 point specialists like Kerr, Paxson, Miller and etc, but opponents knew their bread and butter and made sure to stick to them as close as possible defensively. It's also true that majority of guards and wings much preferred midrange shots, even if they are the least efficient shot in basketball nowadays, but was thought of much differently back then


Some of the GOAT shooters wouldn’t look for threes those days. You watch Mullin, Drazen, and Reggie catch a ball off a screen at 21 feet they just shoot it. Nobody today would do that. You step back for the three. The play will be run so they will catch it another foot out.

But those guys we remember as shooters....were actually scorers. They were fairly well rounded compared to who we now consider shooters.

A guy like Drazen was mostly a slasher and midrange guy who was an outside shooter relative to the times. Somebody watching today would wonder why he was taking so many 18 footers and driving into traffic and assume he didn’t have range if they didn’t know who he was.

It would be an easy transition for those guys to start shooting threes but a lot of the people who come to mind when you think of a shooter now couldn’t transition to playing the way they did as easily.

The superstars could but the specialists now are way more...specialized.



Eddie Johnson is what we would have called a shooter....but not because he shot a lot of threes. This is one game



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He had one three but 45 points. He only made 71 threes in his career best year. He shot 92% from the ft line that year. Clearly he can shoot....but he doesn’t take many threes.

The league now would just make him step back on several of those. And perhaps they are right to do it...but it’s not a skill issue. They shot better from where they played like modern guys shoot better from where they play.

Not better....different.

Put all those guys in a situation where floors are spaced and they are encouraged to take every half decent look they get as the ball flies around the perimeter you’d call all those guys shooters in today’s league and think they were better at it than guys from the 90s. People look at percentages and assume a lot of people couldn’t shoot when a lot more threes were desperation shots and not in rhythm planned parts of the offense like they are now. When you only take two threes a game and one of them is because you’re against the clock by percentage a lot more are bad looks. Tanks your percentages for people just looking at numbers 30 years later.

These guys were 15-20 foot shooters mostly. Even guys like Steve Kerr were taking a huge number of mid range jumpers.

Wasnt an issue of ability. People at the time wanted to take shots that go in and weren’t factoring in that you can waste more possessions by missing shots and still keep up because the ones you make outside are worth more.

It’s mostly a philosophical shift. All the shooters then only hesitated to take threes because they consider a good shot one that goes in. Coaches today consider a missed open 3 a good shot because they value spacing more than instant gratification. It’s more important today to keep the defense spread out than to make any individual shot but at the time a missed open three would have people asking why you didn’t step in and make an 18 footer.

It’s a matter of coaching and approach more than ability when you see those guys pass up threes.

A coach today who sees you step into an 18 footer you make doesn’t see it as gaining two points. He sees it as losing one point. Changes everything.

[scuzzy]

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footwork of a guard
defends 1-5
rebounds with the best


fans better hope he doesn't develop even a slightly consistant jumper or its lights out league

Blaze walked right into that one


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[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

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