Why did Curry win 70 with Klay/Dray and have a goat offense, while

[3ball]

Lebron couldn't even win 60 with Kyrie/Love and had much worse offenses?

Why is Lebron having much worse teams and offenses with comparable or better talent?

[superduper]

Dray and Klay (Curry's 2nd and 3rd options) literally cannot dribble a basketball.

Imagine making 5 straight finals in the tougher conference and dominating the league for half a decade with 2nd and 3rd options that literally cannot dribble a basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

You could ask that of literally anybody

Kareem/Oscar
Shaq/Kobe
Duncan/Parker/Manu
Magic/Kareem/Worthy
Bird/McHale/Parish

But of course OP

[1987_Lakers]

Why did the Bulls win 55 games without MJ while every team LeBron left turned into a lottery team?

[3ball]

You could ask that of literally anybody

Kareem/Oscar
Shaq/Kobe
Duncan/Parker/Manu
Magic/Kareem/Worthy
Bird/McHale/Parish

But of course OP’s obsessed ass focuses only on LeBron :lol
^^^ All those teams were 60-win juggernauts - OP asks why lebron couldn't even win 60, let alone Curry's 70

But you have lebron's nuts in your mouth, so you're protecting him as always, and thereby overrating him.. i bet you predicted victories for most of Lebron's Finals losses.. lol

[superduper]

Hey OP why did the Lakers win 35 games in 2018 and why did they win 37 games in 2019 (only +2 impact difference) with LeGOAT?

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ All those teams were 60-win juggernauts - OP asks why lebron couldn't even win 60, let alone Curry's 70

But you have lebron's nuts in your mouth, so you missed it
Shaq/Kobe won 60 twice in 8 years together, once in the 6 years Kobe became the starter. Just another example of you not knowing what you

[Vino24]

Why did LeBrons worse teamwork beat the goat 73 win warriors teamwork?

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Why did LeBrons worse teamwork beat the goat 73 win warriors teamwork?
The talent stalemate that existed between Kyrie/Love and Klay/Dray was broken when Dray was suspended

And Curry was a 22 ppg, injured version of himself, not the 31 ppg version we saw in the 19' Finals

Ultimately, lesser versions of Curry and Dray gifted Lebron a talent advantage, which offset his lesser teamwork.. And Kyrie's legendary shot was the nail in the coffin

[3ball]

Dray and Klay (Curry's 2nd and 3rd options) literally cannot dribble a basketball.

Imagine making 5 straight finals in the tougher conference and dominating the league for half a decade with 2nd and 3rd options that literally cannot dribble a basketball.
Kyle Lowry catch-and-shoot attempts per game:

2019 - 4.1


^^^ that's a lot


Point guards often have a lot because they must fit with the other 4 positions by virtue of being the PG

but lebron's is between 1-2 per game because he never has to adjust to anyone - he's just this forward that dominates the ball and can't shoot, so everyone else must shoot for him

[Vino24]

The talent stalemate that existed between Kyrie/Love and Klay/Dray was broken when Dray was suspended

And Curry was a 22 ppg, injured version of himself, not the 31 ppg version we saw in the 19' Finals

Ultimately, lesser versions of Curry and Dray gifted Lebron a talent advantage, which offset his lesser teamwork.. And Kyrie's legendary shot was the nail in the coffin
How many all stars did each team have? Also Curry has never averaged 31ppg in the finals, would you say he has been injured in all his finals?

[3ball]

How many all stars did each team have? Also Curry has never averaged 31ppg in the finals, would you say he has been injured in all his finals?
Both teams had 3 perennial all-stars, also


16' Kyrie - 27.0 ppg

16' Curry - 22.6 ppg
19' Curry - 30.5 ppg


Again, Curry was a 23 ppg, injured version of himself, not the 31 ppg juggernaut we saw in the 19' Finals

Ultimately, lesser versions of Curry and Dray gifted Lebron a talent advantage, which offset his lesser teamwork.. And Kyrie's legendary shot was the nail in the coffin

[RRR3]

Mikey meltdown.

[3ball]

Mikey meltdown.
No, fact-checker of fake news

[3ball]

Why did the Bulls win 55 games without MJ


The exact same roster that began a three-peat in 1991 only won 47 games in 1989, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ's 33/8/8.

So that was a lottery cast in 1989 that developed the teamwork to win in 1991, and 3-peat by 1993 (exact same roster from 1989)

So when you ask how the bulls won 55 without mj, we know it wasn't due to a talent-rich roster because those were lottery rosters that developed great teamwork - the bulls won 55 games due to teamwork developed by 3-peating with MJ, not talent





while every team LeBron left turned into a lottery team?


The 2011 Cavs lost Mo Williams, Shaq, Varejao, Zydrunas and Delonte, who accounted for 52 ppg, versus lebron's 30.. It's an often-repeated lie those Cavs only lost Lebron... :rolleyes:

The 15' Heat missed the playoffs by 1/2 game, and obviously would've made it if all-stars Wade/Bosh didn't miss 40 games.

And the 18' Cavs were missing Love, so that's like the 94' Bulls missing Pippen.. You're simply biased for lebron and ignoring the facts, thereby overrating him.. i bet you predicted victories for most of Lebron's Finals losses.. lol

[RRR3]

I just tallied it up and 3ball has made 230 threads (could have miscounted for sure, so that number might not be exact but it’s definitely close) that mention LeBron by name, nickname or derogatory nickname in the title. This doesn’t include threads that got deleted or the many many threads that are about LeBron that just don’t mention him in the title (like this one). To be fair some of the threads that mention LeBron weren’t necessarily about him but the overwhelming majority were.



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OBSESSED

[SouBeachTalents]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I just tallied it up and 3ball has made 230 threads (could have miscounted for sure, so that number might not be exact but it

[RRR3]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oxHQEy76NjLhoplfO/giphy.gif
He legit could have made 400+ threads about LeBron to date.

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Shaq/Kobe won 60 twice in 8 years together, once in the 6 years Kobe became the starter. Just another example of you not knowing what you

[sdot_thadon]

Why did the Bulls win 55 games without MJ while every team LeBron left turned into a lottery team?
I heard they were able to do it replacing MJ's "goat offense " with a Cba player who put up only 7.9 ppg. And sent 3 guys to the allstar game? Is this true Op?

[superduper]

I heard they were able to do it replacing MJ's "goat offense " with a Cba player who put up only 7.9 ppg. And sent 3 guys to the allstar game? Is this true Op?

Lakers in 2018 before LeGOAT- 35 wins
Lakers in 2019 WITH LeGOAT- ??

[NBAGOAT]

you underrate draymond quite simply lol and overrate rs kyrie possibly. Add on 15-16 is peak curry, yea those rs are better than those of lebron's in cle.

Cavs were worse than the warriors and other great 60+ win teams mainly because of defense. Lebron missing 13 in 15 is kind of big considering they went 50-19 with him. They "only" won 57 in 16 because kyrie missed 30 games and was rusty during the rs, the year bron didnt coast in cle. lebron and some others were coasting in 17. they obviously picked it up in the playoffs in 16 and 17. 18 is kind of irrelevant with bron/love as the only 2 stars.

This is obvious from the chart at the bottom here https://fansided.com/2018/04/16/nylon-calculus-playoff-implications-full-strength-standings/.

It's not uncommon with contenders who've been together for years to coast however. How does a team with curry, kd, draymond, klay only win 57 games and hover around average defensively. how does a bad boys team with 3hofers and 5 former/future all stars and goat defensive talent not win in the 65 range for multiple years? How does shaq/kobe only win 50 games in 03 etc

[Manny98]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/9ilmly/the_top_10_all_time_finals_team_offenses_by_rortg/

/thread

[Young X]

Because Stephen that year had the GOAT offensive season. No shame in not having a season that explosive offensively, nobody does.

[Young X]

Stephen that year took 20 shots a game and shot a 63 eFG%.

Him shooting a ****ing long distance jumpshot was a better shot than Shaq attempting a layup. That's UNBELIEVABLE.

[NBAGOAT]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/9ilmly/the_top_10_all_time_finals_team_offenses_by_rortg/

/thread

we cant just base offenses off playoff performance however, there's a sample size issue. I do agree playoff lebron was a thing from 16-18, even on offense.

As Young X said, curry rs' from 15-16 is goat lvl(he's been underrated since durant joined too honestly). Unless you overemphasize the playoffs, you can comfortably argue curry at least those 2 years is clearly better than cle lebron

[Young X]

Stephen that year took 20 shots a game and shot a 63 eFG%.

Him shooting a ****ing long distance jumpshot was a better shot than Shaq attempting a layup. That's UNBELIEVABLE.To add on to this, he also shot 91% from the line. So obviously unlike Shaq, you couldn't even foul him.

And he even hit 30+ footers too. So how the **** are you supposed to defend him?

So basically, as soon as he steps inside the halfcourt, you're already dead.

No player has ever been as threatening on offense as Curry was that regular season.

[Manny98]

we cant just base offenses off playoff performance however, there's a sample size issue. I do agree playoff lebron was a thing from 16-18, even on offense.

As Young X said, curry rs' from 15-16 is goat lvl(he's been underrated since durant joined too honestly). Unless you overemphasize the playoffs, you can comfortably argue curry at least those 2 years is clearly better than cle lebron
Playoffs is what separates the Harden Rockets & The Nash Suns to the 01 Lakers and the LeBron, Kyrie Cavs

Championships are won in the postseason so if your teams offense can't translate into the games that matter the most then It's not a truly elite offense

[sdot_thadon]

Lakers in 2018 before LeGOAT- 35 wins
Lakers in 2019 WITH LeGOAT- ??
That would be a perfectly relevant response if somehow 93 Mj missed around 30 games.

Or better yet if 4 of the top 5 guys minutes wise all missed around 30 games in 93. But holding true to your idiotic rep, none of that is the case so stupor duper gonna stupor duper.:lol

[scuzzy]

Lakers in 2018 before LeGOAT- 35 wins
Lakers in 2019 WITH LeGOAT- ??
Lakers in 2016 WITH Kobe - 17 wins
Lakers in 2017 after Kobe - 25 wins

[LoneyROY7]

Why did Harden-ball produce 65 wins + the 2nd GOAT offense, while only being beaten in 7 games to that 73 win team + Kevin Durant?

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJammeR]

Dude u need help. U know why you post all these threads about lebron because u need them to convince yourself that lebron isn

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I just tallied it up and 3ball has made 230 threads (could have miscounted for sure, so that number might not be exact but it

[GimmeThat]

*sneeze*

OP allergic to defense

[72-10]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Shaq/Kobe won 60 twice in 8 years together, once in the 6 years Kobe became the starter. Just another example of you not knowing what you

[72-10]

To add on to this, he also shot 91% from the line. So obviously unlike Shaq, you couldn't even foul him.

And he even hit 30+ footers too. So how the **** are you supposed to defend him?

So basically, as soon as he steps inside the halfcourt, you're already dead.

No player has ever been as threatening on offense as Curry was that regular season.

I'd like to honor Curry's greatness that season, too, but to be frank it wasn't the GOAT offensive season if you ask me. 99-00 Shaq had an automatic field goal if he was able to muster the ball above his shoulders (which he was usually able to do). Of course that's probably not it either, since he could just be sent to the free throw line, but the point is he had usually made the two-foot, two-point field goal immediately prior. What of any MJ season 1987-88 to 1990-91, or Wilt's 1961-62?

As for defending Curry, the Bulls could double him with Jordan and Pippen. I can't think of any other team that could defend that.

[tanibanana]

Imagine if LeBron can beat that kind of team... oh wait!!!

[Bronbron23]

The talent stalemate that existed between Kyrie/Love and Klay/Dray was broken when Dray was suspended

And Curry was a 22 ppg, injured version of himself, not the 31 ppg version we saw in the 19' Finals

Ultimately, lesser versions of Curry and Dray gifted Lebron a talent advantage, which offset his lesser teamwork.. And Kyrie's legendary shot was the nail in the coffin
Nice using currys 19 stats when u could have the season before or after where he was only 26 pts on lower fg% than his regular season. Oh and his defence was still shit too. No surprise curry couldn't beat LeBron with a full roster until they went and got the second best player in the world.

[KobesFinger]

Does it matter if LeBron's team beat the 70 win team?

[Young X]

I'd like to honor Curry's greatness that season, too, but to be frank it wasn't the GOAT offensive season if you ask me. 99-00 Shaq had an automatic field goal if he was able to muster the ball above his shoulders (which he was usually able to do). Of course that's probably not it either, since he could just be sent to the free throw line, but the point is he had usually made the two-foot, two-point field goal immediately prior. What of any MJ season 1987-88 to 1990-91, or Wilt's 1961-62?

As for defending Curry, the Bulls could double him with Jordan and Pippen. I can't think of any other team that could defend that.None of those seasons are better offensively.
Curry shooting a three in 2016 > Shaq attempting a layup or dunk. Even when Shaq dunks it's still only two points. Curry can make up points quicker by just bombing threes.

And that's not even factoring in the fact that he can handle the ball and is a good playmaker. Shaq can't set up his teammates as well as he does.