Curry is a better midrange shooter than Jordan

[Vino24]

obviously his bread and butter is the 3pt shot but whenever Curry has increased the volume on his midrange shots he has always exceeded MJ.

[3ball]

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Midrange percentage from nba.com

Jordan 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga

Curry. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
Curry. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga
Curry. 2017: 45.2%, 221 fga
Curry. 2018: 60.0%, 130 fga
Curry. 2019: 43.4%, 185 fga

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


:roll: :yaohappy:


Curry nowhere near mj


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[Vino24]

Midrange percentage from nba.com

Jordan 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
Curry. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
Curry. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga
Curry. 2017: 45.2%, 221 fga
Curry. 2018: 60.0%, 130 fga
Curry. 2019: 43.4%, 185 fga

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


:roll: :yaohappy:


Curry nowhere near mj


https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

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Obviously he could be better at them if he took more of them. However he chooses to take a shot that is worth more points :rolleyes:

[Kblaze8855]

Obviously he could be better at them if he took more of them. However he chooses to take a shot that is worth more points :rolleyes:


You really using the "If Jordan took more threes he would be a better 3 point shooter" logic here? For obvious reasons...thats funny.

[Vino24]

You really using the "If Jordan took more threes he would be a better 3 point shooter" logic here? For obvious reasons...thats funny.
:lol :lol :lol I love you

[ImKobe]

Curry's a better shooter than Jordan and his career mid-range numbers speak for themselves and his mid-range numbers would be a lot better if that's actually what the offense set him up to do, as the Bulls did with MJ.

1997 was also the last year of the shortened 3-point line.

Sadly, we don't have the data available for Jordan, so we can't really go by any stats, other than a few seasons late in his career.

1998 RS: 43.2% 1,101 FGA, Playoffs 39.8% 299 FGA
2002 RS: 41.3% 903 FGA
2003 RS: 43.3% 1,056 FGA

1997 he actually shot 48.9% and not 49.3%, he also shot 40.7% on 305 FGA in the POs the same year.

You can see that Steph shot it at a similar level when he took them at a higher volume in some of his earlier years though.

2011: 48.8% 379 FGA
2014: 48.7% 409 FGA

[3ball]

Curry's a better shooter than Jordan and his career mid-range numbers speak for themselves and his mid-range numbers would be a lot better if that's actually what the offense set him up to do, as the Bulls did with MJ.

1997 was also the last year of the shortened 3-point line.

Sadly, we don't have the data available for Jordan, so we can't really go by any stats, other than a few seasons late in his career.

1998 RS: 43.2% 1,101 FGA
2002 RS: 41.3% 903 FGA
2003 RS: 43.3% 1,056 FGA

1997 he actually shot 48.9% and not 49.3%.
First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:


2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry


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Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
__________________________________________________ ___________
Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want


So while curry needs space to shoot threes, mid-range players must convert with defenders draped all over, so they need special height (dirk/durant) or athleticism (MJ/Kobe) to convert those shots






So Curry wouldn't have the room he needs to shoot a lot of midrange... Secondly, if we go by distance, MJ destroys curry the same way... :confusedshrug:

And look at the volume... :eek:

[ImKobe]

[B][SIZE="3"]First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:


Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's been a consistent 3PT shooter all his career.

[Vino24]

Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's always been a great 3PT shooter no matter who's been on his team. He's great at getting wide open, as we know.
shut. it. down. :eek: :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Found this interesting stat on the nba.com page

Field Goals Made Unassisted

Mid-Range, Jordan

1997 RS: 45.2%
1998 RS: 46.2%

Over half of his mid-range shots were assisted

Let's compare it to some of Curry's seasons

2011 RS: 68.6%
2014 RS: 81.9%
2015 RS: 68.4%
2016 RS: 67.1%
2017 RS: 66.0%

I'm not going to get into 3s though, it's how the Warriors play and Steph shoots them off ball movement a lot, he gets a lot of wide open 3s but he's been a consistent 3PT shooter all his career.


Shut. it. down. :bowdown: :applause:

[PistonsFan#21]

First of all, Curry needs to be "open" or "wide open" for over 80% of his threes:


2019 Regular Season "closest defender" stats on 3-pointers


Curry


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Total 3-point attempts per game:. 11.6
Attempts that are "open" (4-6 feet) or "wide open" (6+ feet):. 9.3
__________________________________________________ ___________
Percentage of attempts that are "open" or "wide open":. 80.2%

Conclusion on Curry - he needs space to shoot threes, thus hurting him in the clutch compared to good mid-range players, who don't need any room and can get the shot whenever they want


So while curry needs space to shoot threes, mid-range players must convert with defenders draped all over, so they need special height (dirk/durant) or athleticism (MJ/Kobe) to convert those shots






So Curry wouldn't have the room he needs to shoot a lot of midrange... Secondly, if we go by distance, MJ destroys curry the same way... :confusedshrug:

And look at the volume... :eek:

Curry actually doesnt need tons of space to get a shot off. He has one of the quickest releases in NBA history and takes some.of the hardest 3pt attempts too. Him being open on some of his 3s is due to his all time great off ball movement and good use of screens, combined with a range that extends all the way to half court making it harder to contest him.

[3ball]

Curry actually doesnt need tons of space to get a shot off. He has one of the quickest releases in NBA history and takes some.of the hardest 3pt attempts too. Him being open on some of his 3s is due to his all time great off ball movement and good use of screens, combined with a range that extends all the way to half court making it harder to contest him.
the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% of threes as either "open" or "wide open"

You guys are just making excuses

[egokiller]

3ball wins again. :lol

[TheCorporation]

3ball wins again. :lol

Never

[Bronbron23]

This might be one of the most idiotic threads yet. Never mind the stats which say mj is better. If you can't tell mj is much better in the mid range just by watching them then you know nothing about ball.

[LeCola]

Curry is better midrange shooter but not midrange scorer.

If you want to compare Jordan's midrange scoring ability with a Gsw player, he should be Durant.

[PistonsFan#21]

the ENTIRE LEAGUE shoots 80% of threes as either "open" or "wide open"

You guys are just making excuses

Ohh so you are saying you took a stat that combined the average of every NBA 3pt shooter and came to the conclusion that it also applies to the greatest 3pt shooter of all time? Newsflash: Curry gets more attention than any NBA player ever when hes behind the arc...he doesnt get 8 to 10 open 3pt shots per game as he is guarded diffierently than the avaerage spot up shooter.

If you watched him play you would also know that he doesnt need much space at all to get a shot off. It takes a fraction of a second for him to launch it.

Jordan is better from the midrange area but the mental gymnastics you use to make your argument are wayyy too far fetched

[Bronbron23]

Curry is better midrange shooter but not midrange scorer.

If you want to compare Jordan's midrange scoring ability with a Gsw player, he should be Durant.
Yeah that's a much better comparison. Mj was much more versatile in the ways he could score in the mid range but kd's height is a tie breaker.

[3ball]

Yeah that's a much better comparison. Mj was much more versatile in the ways he could score in the mid range but kd's height is a tie breaker.
Durant barely gets off the ground

MJ's elevation on his shot and bigger repertoire is the tie-breaker

[sportjames23]

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Midrange percentage from nba.com

Jordan 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga

Curry. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
Curry. 2016: 42.5%, 200 fga
Curry. 2017: 45.2%, 221 fga
Curry. 2018: 60.0%, 130 fga
Curry. 2019: 43.4%, 185 fga

https://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


:roll: :yaohappy:


Curry nowhere near mj


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OP = bodybagged

[TheCorporation]

OP = bodybagged

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[Bronbron23]

Durant barely gets off the ground

MJ's elevation on his shot and bigger repertoire is the tie-breaker
Tie breaker was a poor choice of words I guess because that would mean Durant was better which he wasn't. If anything they're pretty equal in the mid range with a slight edge to mj probably.

[3ball]

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Similar to Curry, Jordan was ALSO considered the best jumpshooter:


Jerry West:


"I've seen some incredible players," West says. "I mean, the Lakers had some incredible players--Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson--and it's awful to say, but Michael Jordan is the best player I've ever seen.

"People get enamored with his spectacular physical presence, but his skill level . . . if his skill level wasn't that good, he'd be another guy who you'd see on the highlight films a lot, but he wouldn't have been thought of as maybe the greatest player that ever played the game. Right now, I don't know who's a better jump-shooter."

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-12/magazine/tm-3107_1_michael-jordan/4



Ron Artest:


"Jordan was the toughest (to guard out of Kobe, Lebron, MJ) because he's as strong as Lebron, he shoots as good as Reggie Miller from the mid-range, and because he's tough. He's a killer out there on the court."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsj_61lhpew&t=0m57s

[3ball]

Tie breaker was a poor choice of words I guess because that would mean Durant was better which he wasn't. If anything they're pretty equal in the mid range with a slight edge to mj probably.

Tie breaker was a poor choice of words I guess because that would mean Durant was better which he wasn't. If anything they're pretty equal in the mid range with a slight edge to mj probably.

I agree, but there's a lot of mid-range shots that require physically overpowering the defense that durant can't do:


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[3ball]

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Durant and curry can't do this either:


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[Manny98]

Who cares if Curry can't hit fadeaway mid range jumpshots :roll:

That's like the worst shot in basketball

MJ can't do this

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3 pointers > mid range there is a reason why no one except for DeMar DeRozan shoots mid range jumpers anymore

[Showtime80']

Eat this Manny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y

I'll wait for the "jaw dropping" Steph Curry dunks and hang time layups through contact compilation, LOL!!!

Michael Jordan could do EVERYTHING there is to do on a basketball court, Steph "shrimpo" Curry needed the league to alter EVERY CONCEIVABLE RULE to favor his perimeter game.

[Vino24]

Players with MJ's game (midrange scorers) Kawhi and DeRozan are being exposed in this years playoffs as 1st and 2nd round exits at best. This shows you that modern basketball is just too far ahead of the 90's brand.

[Dragonyeuw]

Who cares if Curry can't hit fadeaway mid range jumpshots :roll:

That's like the worst shot in basketball



That wasn't the case for over 60 years of pro basketball. So what, it's now 'the worst shot' because analitiks:hammerhead: ? How's that working for Harden in this playoffs? The proliferation of the 3 point shot has devolved the game into a 3point spam contest. Compared to an era where players needed the skill to maneuver into a mid-range shot against packed in defenses, or big-man playing like fukking big man, this era is shit. And if this sounds like 'old man shouting at the clouds' well then so be it. You got a guy averaging 36 in the regular season now begging for calls because his manipulation of the rule book doesn't quite work in the playoffs....and this era is supposed to be better than before. GTFO with that BS.

[Showtime80']

Damn after watching that Jordan 3 point compilation you realize that Michael executing his least best offensive trait is more exciting than Curry's only AND BEST redeeming offensive quality, UNBELIEVABLE!!!

[3ball]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72Ff7PwgOElZ1lew/giphy.gif


^^^MJ can't do this



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3 pointers > mid range there is a reason why no one except for DeMar DeRozan shoots mid range jumpers anymore



The difference between many good and great teams — and, indeed, many good and great players — is what they do in the last five seconds of the shot clock when the plan breaks down. Even the most prepared teams will run into those situations, particularly against great defenses. The deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king.

https://the-cauldron.com/lost-art-the-mid-range-jumper-64b64fa0f081
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[Jameerthefear]

Midrange shooter? Curry is straight up a better player than Jordan

[3ball]

You really using the "If Jordan took more threes he would be a better 3 point shooter" logic here? For obvious reasons...thats funny.


Except he was a better 3-point shooter anytime he shot more of them.. :confusedshrug:

MJ took less than 1.5 threes every year (mostly bailouts), except 2 years where he decided to dabble in threes and took over 3 attempts.- voila - he shot 35.2 and 37.6% (90' and 93')

He also shot 43% on threes during the 91-93 Finals on 3.3 attempts (24-57)... But he only had 4 attempts in the 1991 Finals - so for just the 92/93 Finals, he was 41% on 4.2 attempts.. :eek:.. he also shot 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in the 85-93' playoffs

Indeed, MJ's elite FT shooting, along with his goat form and midrange shooting translates to 3-pointers anytime he tried... :applause:

[FKAri]

That wasn't the case for over 60 years of pro basketball. So what, it's now 'the worst shot' because analitiks:hammerhead: ? How's that working for Harden in this playoffs? The proliferation of the 3 point shot has devolved the game into a 3point spam contest. Compared to an era where players needed the skill to maneuver into a mid-range shot against packed in defenses, or big-man playing like fukking big man, this era is shit. And if this sounds like 'old man shouting at the clouds' well then so be it. You got a guy averaging 36 in the regular season now begging for calls because his manipulation of the rule book doesn't quite work in the playoffs....and this era is supposed to be better than before. GTFO with that BS.
This post is hard to understand. You claim the mid range is not a bad shot and then you turn around and say it's only bad because the game has devolved. Pick one or the other. Your argument is going against your own premise.

[Phoenix]

This post is hard to understand. You claim the mid range is not a bad shot and then you turn around and say it's only bad because the game has devolved. Pick one or the other. Your argument is going against your own premise.

I'm having a hard time answering you, because you so badly misread my post that I'm struggling to know exactly where to start. I said the PROLIFERATION OF THE 3POINT SHOT has devolved the game into a 3point spam contest. Where are you getting that I'm claiming that the mid-range shot has devolved the game?? I made a sarcastic remark about 'analitiks' and how that's working for James Harden right now, whose entire game is based on 3 point spamming and drawing fouls based on shitty 2019 defensive rules. An example of a ]modern' perimeter scorer who becomes inconsequential if the 3 isn't falling, the refs have pocketed the whistle, and no semblance of an in-between game as a fall-back.

[Bronbron23]

Mid range definitely has it's place, especially when defences are tight and its not that easy to get open for a three or find a lane to drive. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 best players in the playoffs right now also have the best mid range games.

[Phoenix]

Mid range definitely has it's place, especially when defences are tight and its not that easy to get open for a three or find a lane to drive. I don't think it's a coincidence that the 2 best players in the playoffs right now also have the best mid range games.

Shhhh, don't let the masses in on that secret.

Analitiks :hammerhead:

[superduper]

Shhhh, don't let the masses in on that secret.

Analitiks :hammerhead:

$tats!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[FKAri]

I'm having a hard time answering you, because you so badly misread my post that I'm struggling to know exactly where to start. I said the PROLIFERATION OF THE 3POINT SHOT has devolved the game into a 3point spam contest. Where are you getting that I'm claiming that the mid-range shot has devolved the game?? I made a sarcastic remark about 'analitiks' and how that's working for James Harden right now, whose entire game is based on 3 point spamming and drawing fouls based on shitty 2019 defensive rules. An example of a ]modern' perimeter scorer who becomes inconsequential if the 3 isn't falling, the refs have pocketed the whistle, and no semblance of an in-between game as a fall-back.
I didn't quote you, unless Dragonyeuw is your alt?

[Phoenix]

I didn't quote you, unless Dragonyeuw is your alt?

I don't know how I logged on that account, but yes that was an account I stopped using 2 years ago to replace with <----------. That's the first post 'Dragonyeuw' has made in 2 years, by accident.

[FKAri]

I don't know how I logged on that account, but yes that was an account I stopped using 2 years ago to replace with <----------. That's the first post 'Dragonyeuw' has made in 2 years, by accident.
Goddammit Wheels.

Anyways, I was just pointing out that the mid range shot IS a bad shot now and it's precisely because of the proliferation of the 3pt shot. It's a domino effect but the first domino is the lack of physicality on the perimeter.

Speedy guards get in the lane more often -> defense collapses -> open 3pt shots -> big shoots the 3pt shot -> shot blocker dragged to the perimeter -> speedy guard faces no big man opposition right at the rim

No wonder why it's less effective in the playoffs. The mid range shot is a tough shot that becomes necessary when other options become harder. The mid range shot is "bad" because a lot of the times you can find a better shot.

[Real14]

This might be one of the most idiotic threads yet. Never mind the stats which say mj is better. If you can't tell mj is much better in the mid range just by watching them then you know nothing about ball.
End thread.

[Phoenix]

Anyways, I was just pointing out that the mid range shot IS a bad shot now and it's precisely because of the proliferation of the 3pt shot. It's a domino effect but the first domino is the lack of physicality on the perimeter.



Ok, but THAT has what has devolved the game for me( that's what I was saying). The mid-range shot is 'bad' because 'analitiks:hammerhead:' has made the 3ball the more valued shot.....but to the overall detriment to the product on the floor. Less variety and strategy in playstyles, less variety even between star players because everyone is trying to 'out 3point' each other. Watch the nightly highlights now and you'd swear you're watching highlights of the 3 point contest. The game has become dull IMO, less organic, more manufactured if you will. Players are now aware of advanced 'statzzzzzz' and can then tailor their games to meet certain criteria. it's like comparing Oscar to Russell with the triple double, when Oscar did it there was no such thing as a 'triple-double', so he wasn't consciously playing with the mentality to met that metric. I feel like that's what the NBA has become today.

[Real14]

Midrange shooter? Curry is straight up a better player than Jordan
Reported for stupidity.

[superduper]

This might be one of the most idiotic threads yet. Never mind the stats which say mj is better. If you can't tell mj is much better in the mid range just by watching them then you know nothing about ball.

$tats!! :mad: :mad:

Bran fam wins.. again.

[raprap]

Nah Curry routinely struggles getting a shot off in the mid range (he gets trapped in the pnr/ no lift on his J)

[superduper]

Nah Curry routinely struggles getting a shot off in the mid range (he gets trapped in the pnr/ no lift on his J)

$tats > reality sorry

#LeGOAT

[Manny98]

$tats > reality sorry

#LeGOAT
Stats are reality dumbass

[superduper]

Stats are reality dumbass

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bronbron23]

Stats are reality dumbass
Not really. Not in the way that you refer to them anyway. Stats definitely don't mean better. There's so many variables to why someone could have better stats then another player.

Draymond green is a perfect example of why stats don't mean better. There are probably 50 players who have better stats that arnt half as good as dray.

[Real14]

Not really. Not in the way that you refer to them anyway. Stats definitely don't mean better. There's so many variables to why someone could have better stats then another player.

Draymond green is a perfect example of why stats don't mean better. There are probably 50 players who have better stats that arnt half as good as dray.
Ether!

[Manny98]

Not really. Not in the way that you refer to them anyway. Stats definitely don't mean better. There's so many variables to why someone could have better stats then another player.

Draymond green is a perfect example of why stats don't mean better. There are probably 50 players who have better stats that arnt half as good as dray.
Draymond has the best defensive stats and GOAT +/-

So yes stats tell you everything you need to know

F uck the "eye test" that's just pure personal bias

[Bronbron23]

Draymond has the best defensive stats and GOAT +/-

So yes stats tell you everything you need to know

F uck the "eye test" that's just pure personal bias
Oh so now defence matters all of a sudden. So explain to me how LeBron is better than mj again lol.

And JJ Reddick was one of the top defenders in the league according to your precious stats:facepalm

[Manny98]

Oh so now defence matters all of a sudden. So explain to me how LeBron is better than mj again lol.



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LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments therefore he's the GOAT :applause:

[Bronbron23]

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LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments therefore he's the GOAT :applause:
Thanks, so there offensive stats are pretty close but mj is the way better defender (which according to you is a huge factor) and Mj is also the better winner. Your making this way to easy:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

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LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments therefore he's the GOAT :applause:
Oh and according to your stats gasol, Westbrook and bledsoe are all better defenders than draymond. F*ck the eye test though :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

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LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments therefore he's the GOAT :applause:
And Karl Malone is a better scorer than mj. I could do this all day :facepalm

[egokiller]

Game 7, tied. Need a jumper to seal the game.

You are a moron if you take Curry over MJ. No one gives a fvck about shot percentage or how many jumpers you can make in practice in a row. All that matters is can you make the shot when it actually matters most.

Another day
Another win

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Next....

[3ball]

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Stats Thru 31 Years Old:



JORDAN. PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48
LEBRON. PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html):. 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER.. 0.238 ws/48


JORDAN FINALS:. 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg
LEBRON FINALS:. 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg



Jordan scores 25% more in the playoffs and 33% more in the Finals on far better efficiency, while averaging equal or greater assists.. It's not even close.

[Manny98]

And Karl Malone is a better scorer than mj. I could do this all day :facepalm
No because Malone dropped off heavily in the playoffs

[Manny98]

Thanks, so there offensive stats are pretty close but mj is the way better defender (which according to you is a huge factor) and Mj is also the better winner. Your making this way to easy:facepalm
Peak LeBron was a better defender than MJ as well

lol at better winner LeBron would have 10 rings if he had a coach as good as PJ and a sidekick as good as Pippen

[3ball]

No because Malone dropped off heavily in the playoffs
Lebron was capable of scoring LESS per game

That makes him an inferior scorer

Career points doesn't make someone a better scorer otherwise Reggie Miller is a much better scorer than Bird

But carry on with the denial

[Bronbron23]

Peak LeBron was a better defender than MJ as well

lol at better winner LeBron would have 10 rings if he had a coach as good as PJ
No he wasn't but he was damn close I'll give you that.

And I find it funny that you'll use peak play for defence but you use overall longevity when it comes to comparing there offence.

I guess you just flip flop and use whatever fits your narrative

[Manny98]

Lebron was capable of scoring LESS per game

That makes him an inferior scorer

Career points doesn't make someone a better scorer otherwise Reggie Miller is a much better scorer than Bird

But carry on with the denial
LeBron was more efficienct

Efficiency > Volume the same reason why KD is a much better scorer than BrickBe

[Bronbron23]

Peak LeBron was a better defender than MJ as well

lol at better winner LeBron would have 10 rings if he had a coach as good as PJ and a sidekick as good as Pippen
And I agree that Bron would have at least tied mj if he had a better coach but who's fault is that? The fact that LeBron has refused to be coached reflects negatively on him.

Oh and if he did that he would have had to play within a system and would have had less stats which according to you means he wasn't as good.

Your basically out here losing arguments to yourself homeboy:facepalm

[Manny98]

If David Blatt and Erik Spoelstra were my coaches i'd refuse to be coached as well :roll:

[egokiller]

If David Blatt and Erik Spoelstra were my coaches i'd refuse to be coached as well :roll:

He chose to go to Miami knowing that's who the coach was. :roll:

[Bronbron23]

If David Blatt and Erik Spoelstra were my coaches i'd refuse to be coached as well :roll:
Erik wasn't bad at all and LeBron could of chose to go to spurs with pop or anywhere he wanted after either stint in Cleveland. He chose to go where he knew he would basically be the coach and system. He thought he could win as much as mj that way but he was wrong. If he had chose to go to spurs with pop instead of Miami he'd easily have 6-8 rings by now. He'd also have less stats and less recognition because he knew pop would get some of that also.

The crazy thing about mj is he still got better scoring stats and almost as good assists and rebounding stats while playing in the 2 gaurd position and playing in the triangle sytem

[72-10]

No, actually Michael is the better midrange shooter. I have watched them both play.

[Big164]

Mj is 6

[AussieSteve]

At the risk of being on 3ball's side...

MJ is the best mid-range shooter I have ever seen. And he was lighting quick. From catch to elevation was often like 1 second. And if he was contested he could vary his release from super quick to really late on the way back down to avoid the contest better than anyone in history.

For me it's what makes him the GOAT. He was ATG at so many things, but him being such money from midrange meant that no matter what was going on in the game or what the defence was throwing at the bulls, MJ could almost always put up an efficient 25+ points. And was always reliable in the clutch.

[BigShotBob]

[QUOTE=Big164]Mj is 6

[Manny98]

KD is better than both