View Full Version : Let's settle this who is the GOAT scorer
Manny98
04-29-2019, 05:46 PM
:confusedshrug:
Proctor
04-29-2019, 05:47 PM
Anybody not named D'Angelo Russell
Real14
04-29-2019, 06:24 PM
Who's the goat virgin? OP or one of his alts?
paksat
04-29-2019, 06:28 PM
lmao you just TRYING to get schooled now???
Manny98
04-29-2019, 06:32 PM
Anybody not named Demar DeFrozen
Fixed
E_Stamkos
04-29-2019, 07:03 PM
Ed Davis' right testicle
72-10
04-29-2019, 07:12 PM
Thank You
AussieSteve
04-29-2019, 08:03 PM
KD = overrated
If I needed a basket to save my life I would probably trust Kareem more than anyone else to make that basket.
Manny98
04-29-2019, 08:21 PM
Too many MJ c ocksuckers on this forum
PistonsFan#21
04-29-2019, 08:24 PM
If I needed a basket to save my life I would probably trust Kareem more than anyone else to make that basket.
RIP :(
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SolidVeneratedCoyote-size_restricted.gif
Patrick Chewing
04-29-2019, 08:31 PM
GOAT scorer is Wilt. GOAT player is Jordan.
paksat
04-29-2019, 09:14 PM
Too many MJ c ocksuckers on this forum
no you're just dumb
paksat
04-29-2019, 11:11 PM
Bumpp
paksat
04-30-2019, 03:16 PM
where's this going? :roll:
BUMP
superduper
04-30-2019, 03:29 PM
Get destroyed
paksat
04-30-2019, 06:54 PM
:confusedshrug:
who is it?
Leviathon1121
04-30-2019, 08:09 PM
:confusedshrug:
Anyone?
90sgoat
04-30-2019, 09:06 PM
KD has 3s over MJ
MJ has post game, acrobatic layups, fades, dropstep.
jstern
04-30-2019, 09:12 PM
Too many MJ c ocksuckers on this forum
You're so mad. And I thought people from the Philippines loved Jordan.
paksat
05-06-2019, 11:28 AM
where's this thread going?
lakers_forever
05-06-2019, 12:09 PM
KD is not even in the top 3. Jordan, Wilt and Kareem are.
Manny98
05-06-2019, 12:16 PM
You're so mad. And I thought people from the Philippines loved Jordan.
No one from the UK knows who Jordan even is l, he is a bum who got his rings from playing in a watered down era
Everything that voted for MJ doesn't know shit about basketball and how much of a better scorer KD is than MJ
Bunch of dumbass oldheads probably think that BoB Cousy is better than Chris Paul :oldlol:
TheMan
05-06-2019, 12:36 PM
No one from the UK knows who Jordan even is l, he is a bum who got his rings from playing in a watered down era
Everything that voted for MJ doesn't know shit about basketball and how much of a better scorer KD is than MJ
Bunch of dumbass oldheads probably think that BoB Cousy is better than Chris Paul :oldlol:
Says more about how ignorant you guys are than anything else...stick to footy.
How many scoring titles does KD have?
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
E_Stamkos
05-06-2019, 12:37 PM
How many scoring titles does KD have?
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
:oldlol:
egokiller
05-06-2019, 12:48 PM
Another low key
LostCause
05-06-2019, 12:48 PM
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
:roll: :roll:
and the Darwin award goes to!
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=398555&dateline=1556072014
Manny98
05-06-2019, 01:32 PM
Says more about how ignorant you guys are than anything else...stick to footy.
How many scoring titles does KD have?
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
Stick to making Burritos Mexican boy
superduper
05-06-2019, 01:45 PM
Says more about how ignorant you guys are than anything else...stick to footy.
How many scoring titles does KD have?
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
dankok8
05-06-2019, 01:53 PM
LOL at KD :lol :lol :lol :lol
Nikola_
05-06-2019, 01:55 PM
op too scared to put lebron vs MJ :lol
superduper
05-06-2019, 01:56 PM
LOL at KD :lol :lol :lol :lol
I'm shocked this clown didn't troll with Bran instead
superduper
05-06-2019, 01:56 PM
op too scared to put lebron vs MJ :lol
Bran moar total points doe!!!!! :mad: :mad:
More = better!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
jstern
05-06-2019, 02:07 PM
No one from the UK knows who Jordan even is l, he is a bum who got his rings from playing in a watered down era
Everything that voted for MJ doesn't know shit about basketball and how much of a better scorer KD is than MJ
Bunch of dumbass oldheads probably think that BoB Cousy is better than Chris Paul :oldlol:
What I love about this thread is how the teenager who's only aware of what he saw, was convinced that he had a "Gotcha" moment, and then is shocked when he sees others who don't agree with him, since they have seen things before his time. The teenager thinks? "How can they say Durant is not the greatest scorer of all time? I've never seen anything like him." Not enough of an IQ to realize that the world did not start when he was born. It did for him, but not humanity.
Lovable Manny98. Because he's trying. Like someone else mentioned, like a retarded puppy.
paksat
05-06-2019, 02:27 PM
Says more about how ignorant you guys are than anything else...stick to footy.
How many scoring titles does KD have?
Get owned in your own thread...you asked a question, people answered and you go whining because its not the answer you wanted...fukk outta here son.
...hold him down by his hair, he is not worthy
TheMan
05-06-2019, 07:16 PM
Stick to making Burritos Mexican boy
This is what you call a comeback you scrub?
Stick to sucking LeBron's cawk...why are you so intent on stanning on KD all of a sudden?
Sit your ass down junior.
Ain't no nostalgia going on here dumbfukk, KD has the long range advantage on MJ and thats it. MJ had more ways then KD to get his points...and didn't need to join a championship team either. He made a dynasty out of a franchise that never won shit before he got there and haven't won shit since he left.
Spurs m8
05-06-2019, 07:17 PM
83% dayam
E_Stamkos
05-06-2019, 07:24 PM
Stick to making Burritos Mexican boy
Bro... You currently work in the fast food industry :facepalm
This guy lol
Manny98
05-08-2019, 09:43 AM
Kevin Durant is currently averaging 35ppg off 66% TS
When has MJ ever put up those type of scoring numbers in the postseason
I'll wait...
Manny98
05-08-2019, 09:46 AM
Bro... You currently work in the fast food industry :facepalm
This guy lol
No i work at a high end fashion retailer
Keep lying though
Manny98
05-08-2019, 10:04 AM
Kevin Durant is currently averaging 35ppg off 66% TS
When has MJ ever put up those type of scoring numbers in the postseason
I'll wait...
I am waiting....
https://media.giphy.com/media/6IkjQmpaRwIabJ2G3C/giphy.gif
tontoz
05-08-2019, 10:30 AM
I think you have to take era into account.
In the no hand check era you can certainly make a case for Durant. He is basically unguardable. However in the hand check era I think stronger defenders could push him off balance and throw off his jumper.
Jordan could blow past guys routinely if they tried to hand check him but Durant doesn't have that elite athleticism.
It is possible that Jordan could have become a good 3 point shooter in this era but I don't know that for sure. However he was a career 83.5% shooter from the foul line and foul shooting has a high correlation with 3 pt shooting.
So in the no hand check era I will take Durant. In the hand check era I take Jordan. But the gap isn't big either way.
Gileraracer
05-08-2019, 10:34 AM
No i work at a high end fashion retailer
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
ImKobe
05-08-2019, 10:39 AM
Kevin Durant is currently averaging 35ppg off 66% TS
When has MJ ever put up those type of scoring numbers in the postseason
I'll wait...
Jordan's had plenty of better 10-game Playoff stretches, where he averaged more points, rebounds, assists and steals and won more games. You can take the TS% advantage, I'll take the defense and playmaking.
ClipperRevival
05-08-2019, 10:50 AM
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
:roll:
Manny98
05-08-2019, 10:53 AM
Jordan's had plenty of better 10-game Playoff stretches, where he averaged more points, rebounds, assists and steals and won more games. You can take the TS% advantage, I'll take the defense and playmaking.
Nope MJ never could reach KD level efficiency
Too do that you need to be elite at 3 point shooting and free throw shooting which MJ isn't
MJ is a better overall player obviously but KD is the better scorer It's undeniable at this point
paksat
05-08-2019, 12:18 PM
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
manny you're dumber then ****ing shit
superduper
05-08-2019, 12:22 PM
manny you're dumber then ****ing shit
Dude is so out of touch with reality it's incredible
sportjames23
05-08-2019, 12:46 PM
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
:oldlol: :lol :roll:
ImKobe
05-08-2019, 12:46 PM
Nope MJ never could reach KD level efficiency
Too do that you need to be elite at 3 point shooting and free throw shooting which MJ isn't
MJ is a better overall player obviously but KD is the better scorer It's undeniable at this point
Years of 30+ ppg & 60+%TS
MJ
35.0 ppg 60.3%TS
32.5 ppg 61.4%TS
33.6 ppg 60.6%TS
31.5 ppg 60.5%TS
KD
30.1 ppg 60.7%TS
32.0 ppg 63.5%TS
Jordan put up those scoring & TS% numbers without a 3-PT shot.
Also, KD has only played 10 games in these Playoffs
First 10 games of the Playoffs
87-88 MJ: 36.3 ppg 59.8%TS
88-89 MJ: 37.3 ppg on 61.2%TS
89-90 MJ: 39.6 ppg on 60.4%TS
91-92 MJ 35.4 ppg on 58.2%TS
91-98 MJ 32.9 ppg 56.2%TS
Considering the era & the help Jordan had offensively, his numbers are simply more impressive. Imagine his numbers in this era with two of the GOAT shooters spacing the floor for him.
GimmeThat
05-08-2019, 12:48 PM
Hmm is Magic Johnson the only none-scorer to play all 5 positions?
Not sure if this was the straight answer you were looking for.
Manny98
05-08-2019, 01:11 PM
So...
MJs best is 35ppg off 58%TS
KDs best is 35ppg off 66%TS
If only MJ had an elite 3 point range and could shoot 88+% from the free throw line he could be as good as KD :(
paksat
05-08-2019, 01:12 PM
So...
MJs best is 35ppg off 58%TS
KDs best is 35ppg off 66%TS
If only MJ had an elite 3 point range and could shoot 88+% from the free throw line he could be as good as KD :(
why do you come back in this thread?
superduper
05-08-2019, 01:12 PM
So...
MJs best is 35ppg off 58%TS
KDs best is 35ppg off 66%TS
If only MJ had an elite 3 point range and could shoot 88+% from the free throw line he could be as good as KD :(
You honestly think making such comparisons to players playing 20+ years apart in completely different eras is not retarded one bit?
Honestly speaks more about your comprehension of reality but do you.
ImKobe
05-08-2019, 01:22 PM
So...
MJs best is 35ppg off 58%TS
KDs best is 35ppg off 66%TS
If only MJ had an elite 3 point range and could shoot 88+% from the free throw line he could be as good as KD :(
MJ's best first 10 Playoff game stretch was ~40 ppg on 60%TS, that's not better or equal to 35 on 66?
TheMan
05-08-2019, 01:32 PM
You honestly think making such comparisons to players playing 20+ years apart in completely different eras is not retarded one bit?
Honestly speaks more about your comprehension of reality but do you.
Patience...
He is obviously young, bet he never saw prime Shaq or even prime Duncan, forget about prime MJ, Magic or Bird.
He doesn't account for different eras or the rule changes that affect the game...he probably thinks that if you stick Wilt in today's NBA, that Wilt would be able to average 50 pts per game like he did in 1962 :facepalm Wilt will still be an elite scorer today but he ain't averaging anywhere near 50, not in this era, not in any other era either. Rules change the way the game is played...
And someone already mentioned this, imagine MJ playing today with Golden State with two absolutely insane shooters like Curry and Thompson creating space for you, and you can't get physically impeded to the hoop on top of that??? KD should absolutely be having a monster postseason under those conditions.
Again, OP wanted a discussion and even made a poll, it's not a contest on who people here think is the better offensive player yet he will sulk and whine because he's on the decided minority :lol
Manny98
05-08-2019, 01:47 PM
Put KD in MJs era his numbers would be even better
Who's going to stop him?
Jeff Hornecek? Dan Marjele? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Plus there wasn't even zone defense in the 90s KD would absolutely feast
superduper
05-08-2019, 01:49 PM
Put KD in MJs era his numbers would be even better
Who's going to stop him?
Jeff Hornecek? Dan Marjele? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Plus there wasn't even zone defense in the 90s KD would absolutely feast
If ****ing 6'2 Cp3/tony allen can shut down someone a foot taller than them then fcuk yes 6'6 Dan Marjele is absolutely shutting that skinny bitch down
Manny98
05-08-2019, 02:00 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/Pxhsqwxh/download.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:
E_Stamkos
05-08-2019, 02:08 PM
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
superduper
05-08-2019, 02:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/X6bV9.jpg
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:
TheMan
05-08-2019, 02:17 PM
Put KD in MJs era his numbers would be even better
Who's going to stop him?
Jeff Hornecek? Dan Marjele? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Plus there wasn't even zone defense in the 90s KD would absolutely feast
Majerle would play up on him physically...KD is tall but scrawny, that's how smaller players like Allen, PG and Leonard used to be able to push him off his shot back then (when the league wasn't as soft as today). Hornacek has no chance, I'd put Byron Russell on KD to do what Majerle would do...
KD would still get his points though, you can't shutdown an elite scorer, just gotta prevent him from going off and putting 40 plus on you.
superduper
05-08-2019, 02:37 PM
Majerle would play up on him physically...KD is tall but scrawny, that's how smaller players like Allen, PG and Leonard used to be able to push him off his shot back then (when the league wasn't as soft as today). Hornacek has no chance, I'd put Byron Russell on KD to do what Majerle would do...
KD would still get his points though, you can't shutdown an elite scorer, just gotta prevent him from going off and putting 40 plus on you.
Unfortunately this isn't a statsheet so dude will have zero idea wtf you're talking about.
Good write up though. It's known that KD's weakness is physicality. People that are able to bully him physically while still being able to keep up with his lateral speed are usually able to expose Durant's lack of strength/lack of post up skills.
The 90s defense was all about physicality. KD would obviously be good in any era but IMO he would struggle in the 90s compared to today because of the differences in defensive styles. The 90s defensive style is KDs weakness. Dudes back then would make him cry.
3ball
05-08-2019, 02:50 PM
.
Durant is a forward so budding star Richard Dumas would be the matchup, and Dumas was an elite athlete:
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GlaringCreepyAztecant-max-1mb.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/26h0pswrpjgYgMvBe/giphy.gif
Dumas would have it easier defending Durant's jumpers than MJ's jumpers AND power game:
https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/tKniln.gif
https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/wgeUA1.gif
Durant would be an easier cover than MJ
Manny98
05-08-2019, 03:26 PM
No guys with elite 3 point range are the hardest to cover
If I'm a defender I can just play off and force him to shoot 3s
MJ is definitely easier to guard than KD lol
superduper
05-08-2019, 03:40 PM
No guys with elite 3 point range are the hardest to cover
If I'm a defender I can just play off and force him to shoot 3s
MJ is definitely easier to guard than KD lol
MJ could tell you literally what he is going to do on the offensive move every single time and he would still hit the shot. Over, and over, and over, and over again.
There's a reason he's the undisputed GOAT. Even if everyone knows his next move, there's not a thing anybody can do about it.
TheCorporation
05-08-2019, 03:42 PM
No guys with elite 3 point range are the hardest to cover
If I'm a defender I can just play off and force him to shoot 3s
MJ is definitely easier to guard than KD lol
200% That's why LeBron and Durant are so hard to guard because they can actually shoot three pointers OR drive.
LAmbruh
05-08-2019, 03:44 PM
professor Manny giving these kids 101 NBA history college courses :applause:
TheCorporation
05-08-2019, 03:48 PM
professor Manny giving these kids 101 NBA history college courses :applause:
:applause:
Professor Manny
:rockon:
paksat
05-08-2019, 04:23 PM
No guys with elite 3 point range are the hardest to cover
If I'm a defender I can just play off and force him to shoot 3s
MJ is definitely easier to guard than KD lol
"force him to shoot 3s"
that's fcking hilarious
Manny98
05-08-2019, 04:23 PM
MJ could tell you literally what he is going to do on the offensive move every single time and he would still hit the shot. Over, and over, and over, and over again.
There's a reason he's the undisputed GOAT. Even if everyone knows his next move, there's not a thing anybody can do about it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LJCwyh0fDGw
Manny98
05-08-2019, 04:24 PM
"force him to shoot 3s"
that's fcking hilarious
You haven't played organized 5 v 5 basketball a day in your life so you wouldn't understand
superduper
05-08-2019, 04:26 PM
Bro Professor Manny would SHUT DOWN a career 30ppg on 50% player with his extensive rec league knowledge. Simply back off and force him to shoot 3s guys
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
paksat
05-08-2019, 04:26 PM
You haven't played organized 5 v 5 basketball a day in your life so you wouldn't understand
considering i'm on ABA roster, that's even more hilarious
Manny98
05-08-2019, 04:33 PM
Bro Professor Manny would SHUT DOWN a career 30ppg on 50% player with his extensive rec league knowledge. Simply back off and force him to shoot 3s guys
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I said it's EASIER to defend someone who lacks a elite 3 point do you know how to read you moron
Manny98
05-08-2019, 04:39 PM
Imagine actually saying with a straight face that MJ is harder to guard than KD
Y'all so f*cking dumb :facepalm
superduper
05-08-2019, 04:40 PM
Imagine actually saying with a straight face that MJ is harder to guard than KD
Y'all so f*cking dumb :facepalm
What year were you born?
sportjames23
05-08-2019, 05:13 PM
MJ haters getting their shit pushed in with this poll. I
3ball
05-08-2019, 05:30 PM
I said it's EASIER to defend someone who lacks a elite 3 point do you know how to read you moron
Why are you saying stuff that everyone saw fail? You like ignoring the facts and making up your own reality?
The blazers tried sagging off and he set the record on them.. :confusedshrug:
And MJ attempted less than 1.5 threes every year except 90' and 93' when he attempted 3+ at 37.6% and 35.2%
So he was solid at threes anytime he tried to shoot them
And anytime it mattered - he was 35.2% in the 85-83' playoffs on 2.2 attempts.. this includes 43% in 91-93' Finals on 3.3 attempts (41% in 92 & 93 Finals on 4.2 attempts)
So ur wrong - MJ was a good 3-point shooter - he simply chose not to (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m11s) shoot them
Manny98
05-08-2019, 05:42 PM
What year were you born?
1898
PeroAntic
05-08-2019, 06:01 PM
Jordan is quicker and has better fundamentals which is the most important thing, you simply cant deal with all his moves and feints on that speed and that shooting ability.
TheCorporation
05-08-2019, 06:16 PM
Don't forget post season efficiency. I wonder who's leading it that...Let's see:
Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played
FG%
#1 LeBron = .491
#2 Jordan = .487
#3 Bird = .472
#4 Kobe = .448
3P%
#1 LeBron = .332
#2 Jordan = .332
#3 Kobe = .331
#4 Bird = .321
TS%
#1 LeBron = .579
#2 Jordan = .568
#3 Bird = .551
#4 Kobe = .541
Manny98
05-08-2019, 06:22 PM
Don't forget post season efficiency. I wonder who's leading it that...Let's see:
Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played
FG%
#1 LeBron = .491
#2 Jordan = .487
#3 Bird = .472
#4 Kobe = .448
3P%
#1 LeBron = .332
#2 Jordan = .332
#3 Kobe = .331
#4 Bird = .321
TS%
#1 LeBron = .579
#2 Jordan = .568
#3 Bird = .551
#4 Kobe = .541
All MJ has over LeBron is ppg ( because he attempted more shots)
LeBron wins in absolutely everything else therefore LeBron is better simple as that :applause:
3ball
05-08-2019, 06:45 PM
Don't forget post season efficiency. I wonder who's leading it that...Let's see:
Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played
FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448
3P%
Lebron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321
TS%
Lebron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541
Overall efficiency per possession (offensive rating, ortg)
Jordan = 118
Lebron = 116
Bird = 115
Kobe = 112
The bolded above shows that MJ and lebron had basically the same efficiency
But if a player shoots 20 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???
MJ has the same efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg
So mj just DID MORE.. :confusedshrug:.
TheCorporation
05-08-2019, 06:50 PM
The bolded above shows that MJ and lebron had basically the same efficiency
But if a player shoots 20 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???
MJ has the same efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg
So mj just DID MORE.. :confusedshrug:.
:lol
But if a player shoots 25 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 30 times at that efficiency??? why not shoot 60 times at that efficiency???
:facepalm Jesus did you go to College? PLEASE stay in school
TheCorporation
05-08-2019, 06:50 PM
All MJ has over LeBron is ppg ( because he attempted more shots)
LeBron wins in absolutely everything else therefore LeBron is better simple as that :applause:
Big facts my G :cheers:
3ball
05-08-2019, 06:58 PM
:lol
But if a player shoots 25 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 30 times at that efficiency??? why not shoot 60 times at that efficiency???
:facepalm Jesus did you go to College? PLEASE stay in school
There's a point of diminishing returns with everything - at some point, efficiency declines the more shot attempts you take..
With MJ, the point of diminishing returns was higher than anyone else - he scored 5 more ppg than lebron with no drop-off in efficiency.. goat scoring load and efficiency... :bowdown: .. goat . :bowdown:
Btw, does anyone have more than 3 first option rings??? ... Anyone???
Manny98
05-08-2019, 07:05 PM
There's a point of diminishing returns with everything - at some point, efficiency declines the more shot attempts you take..
With MJ, the point of diminishing returns was higher than anyone else - he scored 5 more ppg than lebron with no drop-off in efficiency.. goat scoring load and efficiency... :bowdown: .. goat . :bowdown:
Btw, does anyone have more than 3 first option rings??? ... Anyone???
There was a 1 percent dropoff in efficiency
Plus LeBron destroys MJ in everything else so LeBron is better overall
3ball
05-08-2019, 07:47 PM
There was a 1 percent dropoff in efficiency
But better efficiency per possession (offensive rating, ortg)
So MJ actually had better efficiency
Again, if a player shoots 20 times at the same efficiency, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???
MJ has the same efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg
So mj just DID MORE.. .:confusedshrug:
Plus LeBron destroys MJ in everything else so LeBron is better overall
MJ beats lebron in offensive rebounds, steals, ft %, usage, clutch........... in addition to scoring
Also, MJ averaged equal assists in the playoffs thru 3 rings (thru 93')
So ur wrong
MJ averaged 35/7/7 in the 85-93' playoffs (thru 3 rings), compared to lebron's 28/9/7....
MJ also did more to win the rings - 34 and 7 apg in the 91-93 playoffs, versus 27 and 7 apg for lebron in the 12/13/16 playoffs
As you can see, it's not even close, especially when you consider clutch
paksat
05-08-2019, 08:07 PM
i'm tired of this sh*t
casual observers do you really think there is THAT big of a dropoff in defenders from 1992 until now that a player can do this IN the playoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztlnKZSPtcw&t=42s
3ball
05-08-2019, 08:17 PM
i'm tired of this sh*t
casual observers do you really think there is THAT big of a dropoff in defenders from 1992 until now that a player can do this IN the playoffs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztlnKZSPtcw&t=42s
It's not even the individual defenders
It's the clogged paint shown in your link versus today's open lanes
Cowherd and Broussard like to say that Simmons doesn't fit with Embiid because both clog the lane together, but that kind of poor spacing was the STANDARD back then.. it was a lower-scoring format of the game, like college or international formats
In addition to the spacing issue, there was higher physicality and hand-checking
But regardless of the tougher format, I'd argue that Rodman, Payton, Drexler, McKey, Augmon, Shaq, Alonzo, Dikembe, Ewing are tougher defenders than today's softies.. especially with the rule and format differences
E_Stamkos
05-09-2019, 12:15 PM
"I work for a high end fashion retailer guys... Ask about me"
https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTYyMDE3MTExMzIzOTc3MzQx/mcdonalds-balenciaga-shoes.png
Manny98
05-09-2019, 01:08 PM
"I work for a high end fashion retailer guys... Ask about me"
https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTYyMDE3MTExMzIzOTc3MzQx/mcdonalds-balenciaga-shoes.png
Cringe
SpaceJam2
05-09-2019, 01:08 PM
"I work for a high end fashion retailer guys... Ask about me"
https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTYyMDE3MTExMzIzOTc3MzQx/mcdonalds-balenciaga-shoes.png
Cringe
PickernRoller
05-09-2019, 01:10 PM
It's either that or this... he ain't wrong I think...
https://i.ibb.co/QF7tsZv/Ronnie.jpg
paksat
05-09-2019, 01:11 PM
"I work for a high end fashion retailer guys... Ask about me"
https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTYyMDE3MTExMzIzOTc3MzQx/mcdonalds-balenciaga-shoes.png
bahahahahahah pick yourself up spacejam..
and supersize me
:roll:
Mr.GOAT2408
05-09-2019, 05:17 PM
Durant maybe the 2nd greatest scorer ever, at least when it's all said and done, but MJ >
Don't see him surpass MJ as a scorer
SpaceJam2
05-09-2019, 05:18 PM
Durant maybe the 2nd greatest scorer ever, at least when it's all said and done, but MJ >
Don't see him surpass MJ as a scorer
Kenny
TheMan
05-09-2019, 06:42 PM
No guys with elite 3 point range are the hardest to cover
If I'm a defender I can just play off and force him to shoot 3s
MJ is definitely easier to guard than KD lol
Nobody in NBA history ever "forced" MJ to shoot 3pters, LMAO :oldlol:
He'd drive on your ass all day or post you up but he wouldn't shoot 3 pointers just because you'd play off him, lol.
Silly boy, we're talking MJ and not LeBron where teams, most notably the Spurs, dared him to shoot jumpers.
One star thread because you truly are a moron
JEFFERSON MONEY
05-09-2019, 07:48 PM
https://ak1.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/4217671/thumb/1.jpg
Those men are admirable.
Manny98
07-12-2019, 07:17 PM
Proof that KD is the GOAT scorer :applause:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI3vLQvXJxY
Manny98
07-12-2019, 07:19 PM
Nobody in NBA history ever "forced" MJ to shoot 3pters, LMAO :oldlol:
He'd drive on your ass all day or post you up but he wouldn't shoot 3 pointers just because you'd play off him, lol.
Silly boy, we're talking MJ and not LeBron where teams, most notably the Spurs, dared him to shoot jumpers.
One star thread because you truly are a moron ��
MJ got locked up by Gary Payton lol
egokiller
07-12-2019, 09:37 PM
"I work for a high end fashion retailer guys... Ask about me"
https://fashionista.com/.image/t_share/MTYyMDE3MTExMzIzOTc3MzQx/mcdonalds-balenciaga-shoes.png
:roll:
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