View Full Version : How come LeBron never played with another MVP candidate?
Dray n Klay
03-12-2019, 11:06 AM
None of lebrons teammates were ever Top 7 in MVP voting
And outside of 2011 none of lebrons teammates even got a single MVP vote :eek:
SouBeachTalents
03-12-2019, 11:08 AM
Wade finished top 10 in MVP voting from 2011-2013
Rico2016
03-12-2019, 11:12 AM
Wade finished top 10 in MVP voting from 2011-2013
Sure, but top 5? Top 7 even?
Wade was a great talent and I'm glad he gave up the reigns in 2011 but was he ever top 3 or even top 5 MVP material?
Gileraracer
03-12-2019, 11:39 AM
Because no one will ever win an MVP by standing in the corner and waiting for a last second bailout pass
ImKobe
03-12-2019, 12:03 PM
Wade wasn't a top 5 player in the league in 2009? He wasn't the best player in the Playoffs on the 2011 Heat?
And1AllDay
03-12-2019, 12:04 PM
Wade wasn't a top 5 player in the league in 2009? He wasn't the best player in the Playoffs on the 2011 Heat?
Wade was #1 option in Finals, NOT ECF tho...
ImKobe
03-12-2019, 12:10 PM
How about the ECSF against Boston? The team that had eliminated Bran twice in three years and made him leave Cleveland? How about first round vs. Philly?
Wade got him over the hump that was Boston and Wade was the one winning the Finals MVP until Bran sabotaged the series.
FKAri
03-12-2019, 12:13 PM
Wade wasn't a top 5 player in the league in 2009? He wasn't the best player in the Playoffs on the 2011 Heat?
Wade was the best player in the league in 2009.
Dray n Klay
03-12-2019, 12:19 PM
How about the ECSF against Boston? The team that had eliminated Bran twice in three years and made him leave Cleveland? How about first round vs. Philly?
Wade got him over the hump that was Boston and Wade was the one winning the Finals MVP until Bran sabotaged the series.
LeBron won a championship without an all star teammate (2016)
Meanwhile Kobe basically missed the playoffs with an all-star starter (2013 Dwight) :roll:
SouBeachTalents
03-12-2019, 12:21 PM
Wade was the best player in the league in 2009.
Regular season, yes. But he had a disappointing series and lost to a very mediocre Hawks team
superduper
03-12-2019, 12:34 PM
Wait why are we excluding 2011? Are we trying to meet an agenda?
superduper
03-12-2019, 12:35 PM
LeBron won a championship without an all star teammate (2016)
Meanwhile Kobe basically missed the playoffs with an all-star starter (2013 Dwight) :roll:
I see you stopped mentioning Nash and Pau as allstars that year.. smart man :oldlol:
What does "basically" miss playoffs mean? Did the Lakers make it or nah?
paksat
03-12-2019, 12:41 PM
how come l39ron went 3-9?
Poetry
03-12-2019, 12:58 PM
All of these players have received MVP votes since LeBron came into the league and they've all played with him.
I'm not including players who received votes before 2003.
Isaiah Thomas
Kevin Love
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Antawn Jamison
Shaquille O'Neal
Shawn Marion
Ray Allen
Ben Wallace
Did I miss anyone?
superduper
03-12-2019, 01:00 PM
Isaiah Thomas was literally top 3 MVP candidate and Bran turned him into a complete scrub :oldlol:
That LeGOAT impact!! :eek:
SouBeachTalents
03-12-2019, 01:11 PM
All of these players have received MVP votes since LeBron came into the league and they've all played with him.
I'm not including players who received votes before 2003.
Isaiah Thomas
Kevin Love
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Antawn Jamison
Shaquille O'Neal
Shawn Marion
Ray Allen
Ben Wallace
Did I miss anyone?
So someone receiving a vote for MVP 5-10 years before playing with LeBron is relevant how? That's akin to saying the 2011 Celtics had 5 MVP candidates as starters
Poetry
03-12-2019, 01:20 PM
So someone receiving a vote for MVP 5-10 years before playing with LeBron is relevant how? That's akin to saying the 2011 Celtics had 5 MVP candidates as starters
I'm just providing the full picture.
The OP is being dishonest when he says LeBron never played with a player who was Top 7 in MVP voting.
superduper
03-12-2019, 01:41 PM
I'm just providing the full picture.
The OP is being dishonest when he says LeBron never played with a player who was Top 7 in MVP voting.
Balderdash!!
OP would NEVER do that to prop up a falsely manufactured agenda to protect the honor of a fraud :eek:
And1AllDay
03-12-2019, 01:52 PM
Balderdash!!
OP would NEVER do that to prop up a falsely manufactured agenda to protect the honor of a fraud :eek:
Your right he would never prop up Mike Jordan the fraud.
superduper
03-12-2019, 01:54 PM
Your right he would never prop up Mike Jordan the fraud.
Oozing insecurity. :oldlol:
Don't blame you tbh. Its only been half a year and Bran is being hard exposed.
3.5 more years to go!!
And1AllDay
03-12-2019, 01:56 PM
Oozing insecurity. :oldlol:
Don't blame you tbh. Its only been half a year and Bran is being hard exposed.
3.5 more years to go!!
Lowest Gamescore MVP too..:(
Whats next what will we find now..
ImKobe
03-12-2019, 01:56 PM
So someone receiving a vote for MVP 5-10 years before playing with LeBron is relevant how? That's akin to saying the 2011 Celtics had 5 MVP candidates as starters
But it's relevant when we're talking about Steve Nash on the 2013 Lakers :roll:
kennethgriffen
03-12-2019, 01:57 PM
wade was arguably the 2nd best player in the nba behind kobe in 2009
how was he not an mvp candidate... he wins finals mvp if lebron doesn't quit and pout in the corner vs the mavs
Rico2016
03-12-2019, 02:08 PM
wade was arguably the 2nd best player in the nba behind kobe in 2009
how was he not an mvp candidate... he wins finals mvp if lebron doesn't quit and pout in the corner vs the mavs
Wade ball :(
ImKobe
03-12-2019, 02:14 PM
Wade ball :(
Imagine calling someone a GOAT who's 3rd on his team in scoring in the Finals at his absolute peak :roll: and who wets the bed in the 4th quarter in historic fashion
first 3
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ljjn5o-FHtU/hqdefault.jpg
after Game 4
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron_james_dirk_nowitzki_2011_final_nba.jpg
whole series
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6h4qxZWkAALxaZ.jpg
superduper
03-12-2019, 02:15 PM
So someone receiving a vote for MVP 5-10 years before playing with LeBron is relevant how? That's akin to saying the 2011 Celtics had 5 MVP candidates as starters
Same thing as saying "Warriors 5 allstars!!" too
TheCorporation
03-12-2019, 03:06 PM
Wade ball :(
Good thing Bron took over in '12 and '13
superduper
03-12-2019, 03:13 PM
Good thing Bron took over in '12 and '13
Why did Wade have higher Gamescore in '12 and '13 than LeGOAT did in '11?
3ball
03-12-2019, 03:21 PM
According to nba.com, Lebron had exactly zero points in the clutch in the 2011 Finals (within 5 under 5 min left):
https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
That's a 0.0 folks
:roll: :yaohappy:
Then he collapses in 2010 playoffs and 2018 regular season... That's 3 catastrophic performances...plus upset loss in 2009, and record defeat in 2014/2018
That's waaaaay too many chokes, record defeat and upset loss to qualify for goat
Dray n Klay
03-12-2019, 03:23 PM
According to nba.com, Lebron had exactly zero points in the clutch in the 2011 Finals (within 5 under 5 min left):
https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
That's a 0.0 folks
:roll: :yaohappy:
Then he collapses in 2010 playoffs and 2018 regular season... That's 3 catastrophic performances...plus upset loss in 2009, and record defeat in 2014/2018
That's waaaaay too many chokes, record defeat and upset loss to qualify for goat
Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for Jordan in 1996?
Poetry
03-12-2019, 03:31 PM
Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for Jordan in 1996?
He had 33.5 points per game. A GmSc of 21.4 at a pace of 82 (adjusted would bring it up to 24-26. His next closest teammate had a GmSc of 13.
Edit
You mean 1998.
Phoenix
03-12-2019, 03:37 PM
Why did Wade have higher Gamescore in '12 and '13 than LeGOAT did in '11?
This remains unanswered. :confusedshrug:
TheCorporation
03-12-2019, 03:39 PM
This remains unanswered. :confusedshrug:
Well wait a minute I thought you guys said game score doesn't count? :lol::lol
Or now it does?
Phoenix
03-12-2019, 03:40 PM
Well wait a minute I thought you guys said game score doesn't count? :lol::lol
Or now it does?
I don't know, can one of your alts in the other thread help you with this? :confusedshrug:
superduper
03-12-2019, 03:41 PM
This remains unanswered. :confusedshrug:
DnK avoiding it like the PLAGUE :oldlol:
I love it!!
Poetry
03-12-2019, 03:42 PM
DnK avoiding it like the PLAGUE :oldlol:
I love it!!
Well, he can only be logged into one account at a time.
3ball
03-12-2019, 03:43 PM
Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for Jordan in 1996?
^^^ MJ was a defensive leader and carried the offense with record scoring burden, which allowed his team to keep it close so MJ's goat clutch and record 4th quarter scoring could steal games down the stretch - that's how the 98' bulls beat the shaq/duncan killers
Now why was being a net negative enough for lebron in 2013?
Net rating
Jordan 98' Finals:. +8.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/893/advanced/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
Lebron 13' Finals:. -0.2 (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)
And how did he make the Finals with 22 ppg in the 14' ECF?
TheCorporation
03-12-2019, 03:43 PM
Hmm...
https://i.postimg.cc/L8zsLprf/Screenshot-20190312-124306-Samsung-Internet.jpg
3ball, you're in trouble
superduper
03-12-2019, 03:45 PM
Hmm...
https://i.postimg.cc/L8zsLprf/Screenshot-20190312-124306-Samsung-Internet.jpg
3ball, you're in trouble
http://i67.tinypic.com/331zku1.jpg
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
TheCorporation
03-12-2019, 03:51 PM
Hmm...
https://i.postimg.cc/L8zsLprf/Screenshot-20190312-124306-Samsung-Internet.jpg
3ball, you're in trouble
Wait, when Kyrie left Boston was he top 3 in MVP voting next year?
Will Kevin Love be top 3 in MVP voting this year?
Phoenix
03-12-2019, 03:52 PM
Wait, when Kyrie left Boston was he top 3 in MVP voting next year?
Will Kevin Love be top 3 in MVP voting this year?
When Lebron goes to the west will he make his 9th straight finals? Stay tuned....
TheCorporation
03-12-2019, 04:03 PM
When Lebron goes to the west will he make his 9th straight finals? Stay tuned....
With a 6-12 squad, prob not
But with a 55 win team and top 3 MVP? Yeah, I think so
superduper
03-12-2019, 04:04 PM
With a 6-12 squad, prob not
But with a 55 win team and top 3 MVP? Yeah, I think so
What's the Lakers record since LeGOAT came back from his loose vagine? :oldlol:
Phoenix
03-12-2019, 04:05 PM
With a 6-12 squad, prob not
But with a 55 win team and top 3 MVP? Yeah, I think so
That 55 win team won the title that year right? My google isn't turning anything up.
Phoenix
03-12-2019, 04:06 PM
What's the Lakers record since LeGOAT came back from his loose vagine? :oldlol:
Run for the hills! Evacuate, evacuate!!
LeBron won a championship without an all star teammate (2016)
Meanwhile Kobe basically missed the playoffs with an all-star starter (2013 Dwight) :roll:
You mean the season where Kobe single-handedly brought the Lakers back into the playoff picture before he blew up his achilles?
It has to be that season because that's the only season Dwight was with the Lakers. The Lakers also happened to make the playoffs, but Kobe obviously couldn't play.
Duncan21formvp
03-12-2019, 11:32 PM
He played with Shaq who league mvp and 3 finals mvp's.
TheCorporation
03-13-2019, 12:20 AM
He played with Shaq who league mvp and 3 finals mvp's.
:rolleyes:
Nice try. Is this all you got?
bobopenguin
03-13-2019, 02:00 AM
Isaiah Thomas?
op is still mentally retarded.
sportjames23
03-13-2019, 02:26 AM
Because no one will ever win an MVP by standing in the corner and waiting for a last second bailout pass
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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