What makes a player the better scorer

[3ball]

??

[Shaquille O'Neal]

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6/6 with 6FMVP and 30k+ points trumps everything ever.

[Gus Hemmingway]

2 more rebounds and 2 more assists >> 3 more ppg


LeBron also has the higher FG%, so Jordan

[3ball]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]2 more rebounds and 2 more assists >> 3 more ppg


LeBron also has the higher FG%, so Jordan

[72-10]

Points per game scoring average was included in the original incarnations of NBA encyclopedias as far as I can tell.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Points per game scoring average was included in the original incarnations of NBA encyclopedias as far as I can tell.



This.


Also there's a dude that's #1 overall in rebounds career and #6 in all time scoring. His name is Wilt. Very, very few has him as the GOAT due to lack of success in the finals (2/6, or 33%).


So none of this talk matters anyway.

[Uncle Drew]

Scoring more points.

[zeerghit]

ill take skyhook over both of them

[Dr Hawk]

When we are talking about absolute elite scorers of all-time, having a gap of 3 ppg over the rest is huge. As impressive as Bolt's gap over his opponents in the 100 meters dash competition. A complete outlier.

[bizil]

For me, I think the scorers who combine a great PPG, great FG%, and the great killer instinct have a leg up on guys who may lack the great FG%, great killer instinct, or both. So for example, MJ, Gervin, Bird, KD, and King are great examples of guys who are/were great in all three facets. Mamba, Nique, AI, T Mac, and Melo are great examples of guys who have great PPG and killer instinct. BUT lack the great FG%. Bron is a great example of somebody who has the great PPG and the great FG%. But his killer instinct scoring (while I think he has it) isn't on the level of the other guys I named.

So when comparing all the great scorers to each other I think those three elements along with scoring skillset can be used as tiebreakers. When u line up all four elements as a package, I think MJ, Bird, and KD are the top three on the perimeter EVER in my opinion! All the guys I named though are epic and dominant scorers in their own right. ALL are a part of the alpha dog club!

[Marchesk]

https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1002/rare.wilt.chamberlain.photos/images/0.wilt-chamberlain.4.jpg

[Vino24]

What is amazing is that LeBron isn't even a scorer yet he matched MJ in that respect. :pimp:

[Marchesk]

What is amazing is that LeBron isn't even a scorer yet he matched MJ in that respect. :pimp:

Lebron isn't a scorer the same way Westbrook isn't a rebounder.

[ImKobe]

What is amazing is that LeBron isn't even a scorer yet he matched MJ in that respect. :pimp:

How did he match?

Jordan played 15 total seasons with two in his late 30s/early 40s and played a total of 35 games in two other seasons due to injury and coming back from retirement, so realistically MJ played a total of 13 full seasons and it took Lebron over a 100+ more games to catch up to his total.

[Vino24]

Lebron isn't a scorer the same way Westbrook isn't a rebounder.
You know what I mean. If LeBron focused purely on offense while taking the weaker defensive assignments like MJ you don't think he would put up 30+ppg seasons like MJ?

[Manny98]

Efficiency + volume which KD has the best combination of making KD the GOAT scorer

[Manny98]

For me, I think the scorers who combine a great PPG, great FG%, and the great killer instinct have a leg up on guys who may lack the great FG%, great killer instinct, or both. So for example, MJ, Gervin, Bird, KD, and King are great examples of guys who are/were great in all three facets. Mamba, Nique, AI, T Mac, and Melo are great examples of guys who have great PPG and killer instinct. BUT lack the great FG%. Bron is a great example of somebody who has the great PPG and the great FG%. But his killer instinct scoring (while I think he has it) isn't on the level of the other guys I named.

So when comparing all the great scorers to each other I think those three elements along with scoring skillset can be used as tiebreakers. When u line up all four elements as a package, I think MJ, Bird, and KD are the top three on the perimeter EVER in my opinion! All the guys I named though are epic and dominant scorers in their own right. ALL are a part of the alpha dog club!
Yep KD is the GOAT scorer i wouldn't put Bird up there as he only had a couple of seasons averaging 28+ ppg

[bizil]

Yep KD is the GOAT scorer i wouldn't put Bird up there as he only had a couple of seasons averaging 28+ ppg

When it comes to Bird, u GOTTA realize he played on deep ass teams. And played on the best frontcourt of all time! If Bird was in situation like MJ, Nique, or Bernard King, he wins a couple of scoring titles at some point. And scores 28+PPG in more seasons. Plus Bird in a SENSE was a precursor to KD scoring skillset wise. A 50-40-90 SF (who plays some PF) who had the height advantage on their opponent virtually every night. PLUS had the TOTAL PACKAGE scoring skillset inside the three point line. KD is a couple inches taller, has better handles, and is much more athletic!

When it comes to combining great scoring PPG numbers, great FG%, scoring skillset, and killer instinct as a package, Bird ABSOLUTELY is in the top 3 ever in my opinion! U have guards like Steph who belong. But in terms of TOTAL scoring skillset, he didn't harness the midrange and postups like MJ, KD, and Bird. But I'm fine with KD as the GOAT scorer with the criteria I laid out. Inside the three point line, I think MJ is actually a bit better skill wise than KD. But KD is a much better three point shooter!

[72-10]

The first NBA encyclopedias were a bit lacking in size, so it's difficult to say if they would have included rebounds per game and assists per game had they had the room, but in any event they didn't. But they kept points per game as the only average, in addition to all the totals.

[3ball]

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All stats are from NBA.com (and linked below).. NBA.com defines "midrange" as shots inside 3-point line but outside paint:


.................eFG% All Jumpshots.................. Midrange

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970............ 38.8%, 188/444
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968............ 44.6%, 217/487
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726............ 42.3%, 188/444
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784............ 43.2%, 174/403
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736............ 38.5%, 126/327
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788............ 37.0%, 127/343
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543............ 37.1%, 96/259

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851........... 39.7%, 201/506
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141........... 41.5%, 290/698
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184........... 40.9%, 321/785
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494........... 41.0%, 376/918
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787............ 38.3%, 151/394
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947............ 35.5%, 147/414
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724............ 42.4%, 414/976
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358............ 43.9%, 330/751
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217............ 38.8%, 256/660
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285........... 42.0%, 319/759




Jordan 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528........... 48.9%, 588/1202



Currry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 56.0%, 424/1029........... 41.1%, 117/285
Currry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/201939/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 62.9%, 389/847............. 45.3%, 67/148

[3ball]

Efficiency + volume which KD has the best combination of making KD the GOAT scorer
MJ has better offensive efficiency than Durant (ortg or PER), while averaging 4-5 more ppg

Durant averages 26-27 like all the great scorers - this was considered garbage for Jordan, who stood alone at 30-34... That's a different class and astounding because there normally aren't big separations at the highest levels in any industry

MJ was so quick at beating his man cleanly and creating separation with minimal steps and dribbles - this required a fluid athleticism that is unmatched in the game's history. Other guys need extra dribbles and steps to generate the necessary momentum

People don't realize that MJ has the record for most jumpshots made in a season (shown in previous post above) - 727 made jumpshots in 1997 - that's 300 more than Lebron's highest volume season (11') at an efg greater than Lebron's career high (13') - so it's otherworldly jumpshooting.. it's also 300 more jumpers made than Curry's highest season (16'), albiet at lower efg than curry's goat levels

In addition to MJ's goat jumpshooting ability, he finished with the most authority at the rim - show me another player that dinks on goat 7 footers with such ease and command (off vertical, etc):

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463564

[SamuraiSWISH]

Playoff points per game average

1) Jordan 33.4 ppg
2) Iverson 29.7 ppg
3) West 29.1 ppg
4) LeBron 28.9 ppg
5) Durant 28.7 ppg

Kobe as starter ‘99 - ‘12
27.4 ppg