Zero Guards Besides MJ Can Do What Westbrook Just Did

[CTbasketball92]

51 points, 10 assists, 13 rebounds, 2 steals on 39% shooting and 44 shots.

44 shots is ridiculous, but OKC got the dubb, and anyone who was following the game knows he did everything he could to bring it home, even though Oladipo was the only other player in double figures. BBall nerds can hate all they want, but in no universe is any modern NBA guard capable of doing what Westbrook just did. Just 1980s-early 1990s MJ. Crazy, and the Thunder are 2-0 to start. Against bad teams? Sure. But man, a win is a win, and a 6'3" 195 pound guard has basically beat two teams by himself. No way curry is getting that done.

#WESTGOAT

EDIT: I completely forgot DWade, and honestly to a lesser extent, James Harden.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Plus he missed a ton of open shots and his teammates suck ass so he could've had 5-10 more assists easily.

His consistency possession to possession and game to game is ridiculous. He's gonna be doing this shit almost every night.

[Lord P]

Harden is fully capable of replicating this, probably on better % too. Nice game, but it's not going to be enough against a team that is actually good.

[BlakFrankWhite]

:bowdown:

[ISHGoat]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[CTbasketball92]

Harden is fully capable of replicating this, probably on better % too. Nice game, but it's not going to be enough against a team that is actually good.


I actually don't all the way disagree, though I haven't seen Harden do it as regularly and I don't imagine him doing it without D'Antoni's system, and I don't really imagine bouncy enough or energetic enough to be everywhere and make all the plays Westbrook did while also winning the game in overtime I think it takes that sort of MJ athleticism to do it ... or at least do it as regularly as Westgod appears to be capable of.

I should've specified zero guards under 6'5" are capable of this. No one that height should be capable of this. Still, you're not wrong.

[FKAri]

Prime Wade could do this. This is the kind of carry job he was doing in 09.

[Smoke117]

Prime Wade could do this. This is the kind of carry job he was doing in 09.

This. He would do it with much better defense though.

[CTbasketball92]

Prime Wade could do this. This is the kind of carry job he was doing in 09.


Looks like the thrill of Westbrook's game blinded me lol ok.

1. MJ
2. Westbrook
3. Wade
4. Harden
5. I have no idea, honestly.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Arenas is another name.

But really, there's probably a dozen other guards capable of Westbrook did. But there's ZERO who are capable of having the consistency that WB wil havel over the course of the season with many games like this sprinkled in.

He's gonna average 33 points, around 10 assists, and around 10 rebounds. Mind-boggling .

[theaussieguy]

just imagine what he could do if he was a somewhat capable jumper

[HenryGarfunkle]

Imagine if he didn't have a poverty vertical of 36.5'
https://vine.co/v/5MXeqi9mBHW

[Rocketswin2013]

44 shots. :oldlol:

What a time to be alive.

[Graviton]

I am waiting on the triple OT 70/20/15 on 60 shots game of the season. :bowdown:

[Lebron23]

44 shots. :oldlol:

What a time to be alive.

Iverson ball is back

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Guess the OP missed out on 2009 Wade.

I was gonna mention Kawhi, but dude's probably more of a SF (and also worked with Kobe in the off-season).

[warriorfan]

People being fascinated with victories vs garbage teams during the regular season :lol

[r0drig0lac]

goatbrook dgaf :bowdown: :bowdown:









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[Psileas]

Give them 44 shots and an OT and many of them could. Magic had a 46/10/9 game, on better shooting and without an OT in '87. Prime TMac and VC could play as guards and they have produced a few freakish lines as well. TMac's games were at 48/9/9 and 46/10/13, without OT each. Wade is already mentioned. Kobe has had a 53/10/8 game when he was given an OT, so, not far off, either. And, frankly, I don't care what you think about Oscar, he had all the skills in the book to go for it on a great day, as well.

[nathanjizzle]

and we will see exactly how empty his stats are when okc only wins 30 games this season

[AintNoSunshine]

51 points, 10 assists, 13 rebounds, 2 steals on 39% shooting and 44 shots.

44 shots is ridiculous, but OKC got the dubb, and anyone who was following the game knows he did everything he could to bring it home, even though Oladipo was the only other player in double figures. BBall nerds can hate all they want, but in no universe is any modern NBA guard capable of doing what Westbrook just did. Just 1980s-early 1990s MJ. Crazy, and the Thunder are 2-0 to start. Against bad teams? Sure. But man, a win is a win, and a 6'3" 195 pound guard has basically beat two teams by himself. No way curry is getting that done.

#WESTGOAT

EDIT: I completely forgot DWade, and honestly to a lesser extent, James Harden.Keep on adding names. Iverson is another one.

[ralph_i_el]

Are you shitting me? Plenty of guards have had 50+ point games on better efficiency. He's chucking shots for a bad team against other bad teams.

More names for your list: Kobe, prime Rose...

[CTbasketball92]

Are you shitting me? Plenty of guards have had 50+ point games on better efficiency. He's chucking shots for a bad team against other bad teams.

More names for your list: Kobe, prime Rose...


Ehh, plenty of guards haven't had a 51 point triple double. Not sure which version of Kobe could do what Westbrook did or if it'd even get to that point since he was a better shooter. I don't see 2011 rose doing that.

[imdaman99]

He also had a 48-9-11 against the Pelicans a few years back (no OT). That was the game AD hit the game winning 3.

[oarabbus]

Harden is fully capable of replicating this, probably on better % too. Nice game, but it's not going to be enough against a team that is actually good.


When was harden's last 50pt triple double?

[G0ATbe]

Doubt any of em could score 80+ though.

[TheNaturalWR]

I would have really liked to see how much 09 Wade would have scored with 44 MF shots. :oldlol:

[Rocketswin2013]

whats funny is zero guards have ever done what he just did. first 50-10-10 in the 3 point era from a guard.

[SummrtimeEmbiid]

Well 0 guards are gonna hog the ball like Westbrook so OP may be right. 44 shots + at least 10 more possessions that led to assists. That's (at least) 60 possessions total decided by Westbrook. What's the usage rating on that?

:biggums: :biggums:

[ImKobe]

51 points, 10 assists, 13 rebounds, 2 steals on 39% shooting and 44 shots.

44 shots is ridiculous, but OKC got the dubb, and anyone who was following the game knows he did everything he could to bring it home, even though Oladipo was the only other player in double figures. BBall nerds can hate all they want, but in no universe is any modern NBA guard capable of doing what Westbrook just did. Just 1980s-early 1990s MJ. Crazy, and the Thunder are 2-0 to start. Against bad teams? Sure. But man, a win is a win, and a 6'3" 195 pound guard has basically beat two teams by himself. No way curry is getting that done.

#WESTGOAT

EDIT: I completely forgot DWade, and honestly to a lesser extent, James Harden.

Kobe in 2007 had 53-10-8 on 38 shots followed by a 45-8-10 game on 24 shots

you're telling me KB could have never done that? he had a 31-11-12 game in his 19th season.

matter of fact, he had b2b games where he had at least 41 pts, 6 rebounds and 12 assists in his 17th season, where he took only 43 shots combined in the two games to score 83 points.

[SexSymbol]

MJ, Kobe, Wade, West, Iverson, Tmac
Probably other names, I've just named more recent ones aside from West.
Reaching fifty isn't that hard when you have the whole offense to yourself, same with assists. Rebounds are the hardest part here, but if you're at the right spots in the right time you'll do it.
Put it this way, if you give any of those guys above the ball for the whole game and let them shoot 40+ shots every game for the whole season, they'll have multiple games like this.

[swagga]

could do it if enough shots are provided:
kobe
wade
tmac
arenas
ai if the boards fell nice
probably missing others ..

[Papaya Petee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcUK1ydr0rk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ke1yEEre_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7TaKnZ6uSg

[PeroAntic]

Monta Ellis coud do it with that usage

[riseagainst]

Harden is fully capable of replicating this, probably on better % too. Nice game, but it's not going to be enough against a team that is actually good.

lol no.

[AnaheimLakers24]

mj never did that

[Nastradamus]

Looks like the thrill of Westbrook's game blinded me lol ok.

1. MJ
2. Westbrook
3. Wade
4. Harden
5. I have no idea, honestly.

Probably the dude who dropped 81.....

[BIG FURB]

Vince had a 46/16/10 night once. Kidd also had a triple double that game (damn that was a good backcourt)

[CTbasketball92]

[QUOTE=ImKobe]Kobe in 2007 had 53-10-8 on 38 shots followed by a 45-8-10 game on 24 shots

you're telling me KB could have never done that? he had a 31-11-12 game in his 19th season.

matter of fact, he had b2b games where he had at least 41 pts, 6 rebounds and 12 assists in his 17th season, where he took only 43 shots combined in the two games to score 83 points.[/QUOT

The 17 rebounds is what makes Westbrook's feel sort of irreplicable. That's just a gaudy number. He's only 6'3, too. His motor/endurance are just insane. The fact that he shot so poorly in the first half and was able to come alive while running the offense and then actually have the energy to win the game by driving to the rim is insane. Westbrook is as athletic as they come, and his will to win is crazy, as cliche as it sounds.

[Big164]

Now people finally realize why former greats are always trippin over Oscar Robertson

Oscar averaged a Trip,double. Westbrook is a lock for at least 30/9/8

[HenryGarfunkle]

WB's rebounding numbers from the guard position proves he tries harder than anyone.

Kobe isn't 1/10th of the competitor that WB is. It's day and night with those two. Westbrook does EVERYTHING, EVERY GAME.

Westbrook is a better competitor than Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic, and every other player in history. There is no argument against him either.

[CTbasketball92]

WB's rebounding numbers from the guard position proves he tries harder than anyone.

Kobe isn't 1/10th of the competitor that WB is. It's day and night with those two. Westbrook does EVERYTHING, EVERY GAME.

Westbrook is a better competitor than Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic, and every other player in history. There is no argument against him either.

I don't like speaking in definites with things as intangible as competitive spirits, but I'll say Westbrook's competitive nature is unsurpassed, for sure. His edge combined with his athleticism is just a lethal combo. Shouldn't be possible for someone under 6'5" to impact a game so much through physicality.

[HenryGarfunkle]

I don't like speaking in definites with things as intangible as competitive spirits, but I'll say Westbrook's competitive nature is unsurpassed, for sure. His edge combined with his athleticism is just a lethal combo. Shouldn't be possible for someone under 6'5" to impact a game so much through physicality.
Me either dude, but with WB it's undeniable. He's the guy who tore his meniscus and came back stronger. The guy who before that never missed a single game or practice in his life. The same guy in HS looked like an unskilled JV player and the guy who barely got any minutes his first year in college.

Fast forward to today and he's dropping 50 point triple doubles. :biggums:

**** this MJ Kobe nonsense. Westbrook is the one with the most sustained intensity ever.

[Lord P]

lol no.
Lul yes.
Harden's posted statlines of 50-9-8 and 33-17-14 last season, and he didn't even come close to 40 fga.

[C-Green]

I'd agree with Harden, maybe Dame too? He'd have a hard time getting enough rebounds though.

[LAZERUSS]

Give them 44 shots and an OT and many of them could. Magic had a 46/10/9 game, on better shooting and without an OT in '87. Prime TMac and VC could play as guards and they have produced a few freakish lines as well. TMac's games were at 48/9/9 and 46/10/13, without OT each. Wade is already mentioned. Kobe has had a 53/10/8 game when he was given an OT, so, not far off, either. And, frankly, I don't care what you think about Oscar, he had all the skills in the book to go for it on a great day, as well.

The 6-8 Magic was putting up a clinching Finals game of 42-15-7 on 23 FGAs; and a 40-9-10 game on 21 FGAs, as well as that 46-10-9 game. He had back-to-back playoff games of 43-6-10 and 43-8-7 and both on 26 FGAs. Here was a guy who averaged 14 rpg in a playoff series. Had a playoff game of 18 rebounds. Led the Lakers in rebounding several times in the post-season and Finals. And of course, could put up 15 apg series without breaking a sweat. He had seasons of .565 and .561 FG%'s. He led the NBA in FT shooting one season. The reality was, Magic could likely have scored 30 ppg had that been his role. Hell, in all of the Bird-Magic H2H's, guess which player had the TWO highest scoring games?

As for the 6-5 Oscar, the bashers like to use "pace" against him (and Wilt) even though "pace" never existed. Possessions also don't score points. FGAs and FTAs score points. Furthermore, the "paceoligists" forget to include era eFG%'s, as well. If they are going to detract players accomplishments of the '60's (and even '70's), they would have to also adjust their FG%'s to the much higher levels of the 80's and beyond. But that is a subject for another time.

Oscar not only had a triple-double season, he AVERAGED a triple-double over the course of FIVE straight seasons. In his '62 season, he averaged a 31-13-11, and on 23 FGAs per game. Even reducing his rebounds to current levels, he still would have pulled down 8-9 rpg...for the season. The very next season he averaged a 28-10-10, on 19.9 FGA per game, and on a .518 FG%. That .518 FG% would translate to .588 in '16. His .588 TS% in '63 would translate to somewhere around .630 in the current NBA.

And FGAs are the key here. For instance, the Westbrick fans love to point out his '14-15 season, in which he averaged 28.1 ppg in only 34.4 mpg. True. BUT, think about this...he averaged 22 FGAs per game that season (and on a .455 eFG%.) Oscar had a season of 31.4 ppg on 22 FGAs per game. And again, move Oscar into the '15 NBA, where the league had an eFG% of .496, instead the .433 eFG% of the '64 NBA, and not only would have his FG% shot up from .483, to .553, his FGM would have increased from 840 to 962, or 122 more made (and this 244 more points.) So his 31.4 ppg, on 22 FGAs, would translate to 3.1 ppg...or from 31.4 ppg to 34.5 ppg. All on the same number of FGAs per game.

And of course, Oscar had a TON of 40-10-10+ games in his career. To think that he couldn't put up a 51-13-10 game, and on 44 FGAs is just ludicrous.

And as Psileas pointed out...had Oscar and Magic been motivated to do so, they would both would have done so.

[Papaya Petee]

Lebron and Wade in 2008-2010 were doing this shit on DPOY levels just saying

[Cold soul]

Lebron and Wade in 2008-2010 were doing this shit on DPOY levels just saying

Kobe as well.

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe as well.
Agreed.
Wade and Kobe didn't fill up the stat sheet as much due to Westbrook being an amazing rebounder, but I think the comparison sticks.