Detroit Pistons the poor man's version of the 1996 LA Lakers

[DaHeezy]

The team is pretty identical

Reggie Jackson = Nick Van Exel > ball dominated PG who needs to make the highlight play every possession
KCP = Eddie Jones > lean defensive stopper with a decent shot and can get down court in a flash
Tobias Harris = Cedric Ceballos > Score first slashing SF
Marcus Morris = Elden Campbell > athletic PF who flashes greatness but too inconsistent
Andre Drummond = Shaq > dominant c who can't hit the ft

They draft Josh Jackson who could be the next Kobe and this team will be set!

[HylianNightmare]

I'd love to see them make noise, someone has to step up on the wings.

[Bankaii]

They're already a really solid defensive team. They have the grit, toughness and athleticism already. They'll probably be top 5 defensively in a couple years.

All they really need is a go to scorer. RJ just isn't good enough and Drummond isn't polished enough. I really would like to see KD, or even better Paul Heorgr on there.

Jackson
KCP
PG13
Morris
Drummond
6th man: Harris

They'd have the best chance to take Cavs/GSW out.

[Smoke117]

Saying Pope = Eddie Jones and Drummond = Shaq is just laughable.

[ClipperRevival]

They have a solid team. Their 1, 3, 4 and 5 are solid to very good. And don't forget Johnson off the bench. They do look like they could use an alpha dog scorer for the playoffs though unless if Jackson can take his offensive game to another level. He is capable in spurts just not on a nightly basis.

[tpols]

if it wasn't for stan van gundy, detroit would be a non playoff team.

[DaHeezy]

Saying Pope = Eddie Jones and Drummond = Shaq is just laughable.

Did you miss the title that says poor man's?

And if you don't see similarities between Jones and KCP then you didn't watch basketball in the 90's. There couldn't be a better comparison.

BTW, do you post any ting besides criticizing people's assessment of the past?

[jayfan]

They're already a really solid defensive team. They have the grit, toughness and athleticism already. They'll probably be top 5 defensively in a couple years.

All they really need is a go to scorer. RJ just isn't good enough and Drummond isn't polished enough. I really would like to see KD, or even better Paul Heorgr on there.

Jackson
KCP
PG13
Morris
Drummond
6th man: Harris

They'd have the best chance to take Cavs/GSW out.

No, they're not.

[BigKAT]

Shaq wasn't a dominant center without FT's.

He led his team to the finals.

Drummond got his team to the playoffs once, and got swept.
Don't compare the two.

Drummond does compare to Dwight Howard stats wise in the same age, but not Shaq.

[Bankaii]

No, they're not.
The held the Cavs to the 2nd lowest PPG of their 4 series (only 3 points now than Warriors).
They also held the Cavs to the lowest margin of victory in their wins against by any team.

They are definitely an above average defensive team, watch the games.

[jayfan]

The held the Cavs to the 2nd lowest PPG of their 4 series (only 3 points now than Warriors).
They also held the Cavs to the lowest margin of victory in their wins against by any team.

They are definitely an above average defensive team, watch the games.

'Watch the games,' says the guy throwing out numbers. Rich stuff.

The Pistons are my team. I watch every game. Not just a playoff series against a team they happen to match up well against.

How many Pistons games did you watch last season?

The team sucks defensively. Period.

KCP is their best man defender, and he's no better than good.

RJ is awful

Drummond is terrible (his defensive rebounding saves him statistically)

Harris struggles

Morris is average

Stanley has potential, but he's just ok for now.

Baynes stops no one.

Bullock is scrappy, but gets overpowered

Ish, who just joined the team, is close to RJ's level.

[DaHeezy]

Shaq wasn't a dominant center without FT's.

:wtf: okay.

Again, did you miss the part where I said poor man's?

I'm saying esthetically the 2 teams are similar.

[Rake2204]

The team is pretty identical

Reggie Jackson = Nick Van Exel > ball dominated PG who needs to make the highlight play every possession
KCP = Eddie Jones > lean defensive stopper with a decent shot and can get down court in a flash
Tobias Harris = Cedric Ceballos > Score first slashing SF
Marcus Morris = Elden Campbell > athletic PF who flashes greatness but too inconsistent
Andre Drummond = Shaq > dominant c who can't hit the ft

They draft Josh Jackson who could be the next Kobe and this team will be set!I don't know, I see what you're going for, but I'm not sure it fits. I guess the facets you mention are mostly true, but picking out just one commonality we could probably do for a lot of teams and players.

1) I understand the Jackson/Van Exel thing, where it's a point guard who often calls his number first and occasionally pulls off something spectacular.

2) I even see the Jones/KCP thing, even though I found Eddie way more versatile.

3) But I'm not feeling Harris/Ceballos. There's similarities, but I don't see 1:1 in their play styles. Harris is a bit more brutish and selfless.

4) Definitely don't see a lot of Campbell/Morris similarities. Campbell was more or less a center and I never considered him particularly athletic in comparison to his contemporaries. In fact, I always found a lot of his game to be halting and awkward (though effective during his peak). Morris, in contrast, is basically a small forward in an undersized power forward's body.

5) I don't find Andre Drummond to be dominant anywhere but on the glass. Not only is he one-dimensional in the post, but that one dimension's still pretty wack (jump hook, which he hits at 43% clip). It's pretty much bad enough that I don't even consider it a dimension. He's completely unreliable down there.

Moreover, his defensive presence is sub-standard for an all-star center. He had 21 games last year in which he didn't register a blocked shot (47 games with a block or less). And I know numbers aren't everything, but his presence actually appears even worse when one watches the games (slow on rotations, poor decisions, frequent foul trouble, etc.).

Again, I see the idea, but I don't think it really works.

[Smoke117]

Did you miss the title that says poor man's?

And if you don't see similarities between Jones and KCP then you didn't watch basketball in the 90's. There couldn't be a better comparison.

BTW, do you post any ting besides criticizing people's assessment of the past?

Andre Drummond is more a poor man's Dwight before his back, though...not a poor man's Shaq. I just don't see any of this...too much of a reach. Even at this juncture of his career...I also think Eddie Jones is a vastly superior defensive player to CP.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm not really seeing it. A "poor version" would show more resemblance, so other than sharing the same positions, half of Detroit's starting 5 here literally play nothing like the guys on that Laker team. :oldlol:

[tpols]

damn op .. :oldlol: .. you shouldve said a poor man's 2009 Orlando Magic.. both teams had Stan, drummond a poor mans dwight .. reggie, pope, morris to rafer, turkgolu, rashard etcetera. it wouldve been a much more apt comparison.

[DaHeezy]

I don't know, I see what you're going for, but I'm not sure it fits. I guess the facets you mention are mostly true, but picking out just one commonality we could probably do for a lot of teams and players.

1) I understand the Jackson/Van Exel thing, where it's a point guard who often calls his number first and occasionally pulls off something spectacular.

2) I even see the Jones/KCP thing, even though I found Eddie way more versatile.

3) But I'm not feeling Harris/Ceballos. There's similarities, but I don't see 1:1 in their play styles. Harris is a bit more brutish and selfless.

4) Definitely don't see a lot of Campbell/Morris similarities. Campbell was more or less a center and I never considered him particularly athletic in comparison to his contemporaries. In fact, I always found a lot of his game to be halting and awkward (though effective during his peak). Morris, in contrast, is basically a small forward in an undersized power forward's body.

5) I don't find Andre Drummond to be dominant anywhere but on the glass. Not only is he one-dimensional in the post, but that one dimension's still pretty wack (jump hook, which he hits at 43% clip). It's pretty much bad enough that I don't even consider it a dimension. He's completely unreliable down there.

Moreover, his defensive presence is sub-standard for an all-star center. He had 21 games last year in which he didn't register a blocked shot (47 games with a block or less). And I know numbers aren't everything, but his presence actually appears even worse when one watches the games (slow on rotations, poor decisions, frequent foul trouble, etc.).

Again, I see the idea, but I don't think it really works.

Yeah, the Campbell vs Morris was a bit of a reach although Campbell did develop a good 8 foot jump shot.
As for Campbell not being athletic, he had one of the best verticals I have ever seen from a big guy. When he replaced Divac I remember him jumping and what looked like he floated in the air an extra second. He's plodding but he was a great vertical leaper.

[DaHeezy]

damn op .. :oldlol: .. you shouldve said a poor man's 2009 Orlando Magic.. both teams had Stan, drummond a poor mans dwight .. reggie, pope, morris to rafer, turkgolu, rashard etcetera. it wouldve been a much more apt comparison.

Hedo is no Turk. Are you blind?
And Rafer was waay more controlled in the NBA. Not a ball dominant PG at all. Drummond for sure. Rashad is a way better shooter than Morris

[tpols]

Hedo is no Turk. Are you blind?
And Rafer was waay more controlled in the NBA. Not a ball dominant PG at all. Drummond for sure. Rashad is a way better shooter than Morris

rafer was originally a streetballer .. he could handle and attack like reggie albeit a poor mans version of him.. morris is worse than shard too .. which is where the poor mans stuff comes in. im not saying their play styles are all exactly alike as individuals, but from a team concept the pistons are built very similarly to the '09 magic.. they have the same coach, same philosophies, same defensive structure around a key cog.. comparing them to shaq and lakers is just too wild a stretch

[ClipperRevival]

Yeah, the Campbell vs Morris was a bit of a reach although Campbell did develop a good 8 foot jump shot.
As for Campbell not being athletic, he had one of the best verticals I have ever seen from a big guy. When he replaced Divac I remember him jumping and what looked like he floated in the air an extra second. He's plodding but he was a great vertical leaper.

Yup. Campell could jump out the building. Not very skilled but extremely explosive.

[Rake2204]

Yup. Campell could jump out the building. Not very skilled but extremely explosive.With respect, it seems like we're talking about completely different people. This Elden Campbell?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNe_Wx2YgE

Obviously, he was never stuck to the floor, but I don't think there was ever a time—at any point of his NBA career—where I could watch him and came away saying, "Man, that dude is extremely explosive."

Or, as usual, I'm just being dense and the sarcasm is going right over my head.

[DaHeezy]

[QUOTE=Rake2204]With respect, it seems like we're talking about completely different people. This Elden Campbell?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNe_Wx2YgE

Obviously, he was never stuck to the floor, but I don't think there was ever a time

[Rake2204]

He wasn't explosive as a player, but he definitely had a high jumping reach. Think an uninterested teenager. Watch the 93 playoffs where he replaced Divac. His ups were unreal.Righto, reach is one thing. Feller was 6'11'' and long-armed, it doesn't take a lot of elevation to push those fingertips well past 11 feet. But even back in '93, I never would consider him a great vertical leaper, let alone extremely explosive.

[bigkingsfan]

Have you seen the contracts given today.

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Rake2204]With respect, it seems like we're talking about completely different people. This Elden Campbell?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNe_Wx2YgE

Obviously, he was never stuck to the floor, but I don't think there was ever a time

[DaHeezy]

Righto, reach is one thing. Feller was 6'11'' and long-armed, it doesn't take a lot of elevation to push those fingertips well past 11 feet. But even back in '93, I never would consider him a great vertical leaper, let alone extremely explosive.
Then you really didn't watch him. He had Antonio McDyess type hops. He just didn't have the motor. He tended to just pop out of nowhere. But most of the time he plodded around. Like I said, when he jumped be floated. Like this dude:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjnRJPewxWY

[GimmeThat]

they appear to be the type of team where you look for someone you can hand the key to the team. either for a 2nd team unit, or a franchise star

of course, we may as well call it a direct attack on the princeton offense and its chance at winning a championship. which is whether or not you have a direct competitive advantage that is constantly utilized.

can a team consistently out-smart the opponent in a 7 game series instead of a tournament style game play

if you could play 9 or even 10 man deep, which is not the conventional 8 man deep team format, maybe.

funny, I suppose if you had a minor league to run multiple practices at once, it might be able to be done.

[Rake2204]

Then you really didn't watch him. He had Antonio McDyess type hops. He just didn't have the motor. He tended to just pop out of nowhere. But most of the time he plodded around. Like I said, when he jumped be floated. Like this dude:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjnRJPewxWYI feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. We're now saying Elden Campbell floated like the guy with the 46-inch vertical?

Can I get just one highlight or morsel from his prime that shows even the vaguest resemblance to someone who could be labeled extremely explosive?

The Lakers Campbell I knew could finish at the rim and definitely didn't have a 15-inch vertical or something, but I'm seeing terms being bandied about usually reserved for guys like Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter or at least Shawn Kemp.