MJ speaks out against violence against blacks and cop killings

[Knicksfever2010]

http://theundefeated.com/features/michael-jordan-i-can-no-longer-stay-silent/

[Kiddlovesnets]

If blacks continue to commit crimes at a rate 3-4 times higher than the rest of US population, they will continue to get shot by cops at high rates. This cannot be helped, the police knows blacks are more likely to commit crimes and shoot them, so they cannot take the risk. Men also got shot at higher rates than women, it was because men are physically stronger and more likely to shoot a cop, and this of course has an impact on police's reaction as well. Until blacks stop committing so much crime, theres nothing you can do. Cops are humans, they are not robots.

[Im Still Ballin]

The solution to pretty much every problem; Increase wealth

Rich ****** don't do hoodrat shit

Blacks on average have by far the lowest median income

That by majority explains the discrepancy in crime rates

People are focusing on the unimportant stuff when it's all about income inequality

[ralph_i_el]

The solution to pretty much every problem; Increase wealth

Rich ****** don't do hoodrat shit

Blacks on average have by far the lowest median income

That by majority explains the discrepancy in crime rates

People are focusing on the unimportant stuff when it's all about income inequality

^This

Justice department stats show that poor blacks actually commit slightly less violent crime than poor whites.

[sammichoffate]

^This

Justice department stats show that poor blacks actually commit slightly less violent crime than poor whites.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/The_Purge_Election_Year.png

[TheWinningFam]

If blacks continue to commit crimes at a rate 3-4 times higher than the rest of US population, they will continue to get shot by cops at high rates. This cannot be helped, the police knows blacks are more likely to commit crimes and shoot them, so they cannot take the risk. Men also got shot at higher rates than women, it was because men are physically stronger and more likely to shoot a cop, and this of course has an impact on police's reaction as well. Until blacks stop committing so much crime, theres nothing you can do. Cops are humans, they are not robots.
That shit has nothing to do with shooting unarmed people :facepalm
A crime report released by the fbi showed that the KKK has infiltrated the law enforcement agencies across the country, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf
So now we have suspected Race soldiers masquerading as cops shooting unarmed black people across the country.

And the logic ''well blacks commit more crime so we're more aware'' is flawed, If You're specifically seeking out for blacks commiting crimes because you believe they commit more crimes of course more black people will be charged :facepalm Its an endless cycle.

[JohnMax]

I think MJ is also speaking out to ruffle NBA feathers. Since they wanted to silence the WNBA girls, and pulled the all Star game due to the gays..... he's like "fukk it" in an attempt to see if the league takes a similarly aggressive stance with BLM as they have with homo right.

[Kiddlovesnets]

And the logic ''well blacks commit more crime so we're more aware'' is flawed, If You're specifically seeking out for blacks commiting crimes because you believe they commit more crimes of course more black people will be charged :facepalm Its an endless cycle.

So you think blacks commit more crimes than other races is only because the cops deliberately seek out blacks committing crimes? Do you even believe in this nonsense?
:facepalm

[TheWinningFam]

So you think blacks commit more crimes than other races is only because the cops deliberately seek out blacks committing crimes? Do you even believe in this nonsense?
:facepalm

There's a difference between COMMITING crimes and being CHARGED...

These stats people like to use show that blacks are CHARGED with crimes more than blacks, NOT ALL people who are CHARGED actually COMMITED a crime.. this is due to the thinking that ''well blacks commit more crime thinking, You are more likely to find a group doing wrong if you're actively seeking them out..
As Im ballin stated earlier, Its a ECONOMIC thing that contributes mostly to this, Aswell as the insurgence of race soldiers into police forces around the country.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf
Do you think its just some coincidence that most of these unarmed people being shot recently just happened to be black?

[Kiddlovesnets]

There's a difference between COMMITING crimes and being CHARGED...

These stats people like to use show that blacks are CHARGED with crimes more than blacks, NOT ALL people who are CHARGED actually COMMITED a crime.. this is due to the thinking that ''well blacks commit more crime thinking, You are more likely to find a group doing wrong if you're actively seeking them out..
As Im ballin stated earlier, Its a ECONOMIC thing that contributes mostly to this, Aswell as the insurgence of race soldiers into police forces around the country.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf
Do you think its just some coincidence that most of these unarmed people being shot recently just happened to be black?

Oh yeah, now you are saying most blacks being charged with crimes do not actually commit crimes. I am amazed that you believe in such nonsense, apparently you choose to ignore the fact that blacks on average, do commit much more crimes than whites and other races. It has nothing to do with discrimination, as the Asians commit much less crimes despite being discriminated even worse than Blacks.

So yes, I will emphasize it again, blacks problem is that they commit too much crimes. Fix this and you will see cops shooting much less unarmed blacks. If they still wont after blacks crime rate drops, I will join the 'Blacks Lives matter' movement myself too. But blacks need to commit less crimes first, or the cycle will repeat itself.

[TheWinningFam]

Oh yeah, now you are saying most blacks being charged with crimes do not actually commit crimes. I am amazed that you believe in such nonsense, apparently you choose to ignore the fact that blacks on average, do commit much more crimes than whites and other races. It has nothing to do with discrimination, as the Asians commit much less crimes despite being discriminated even worse than Blacks.

So yes, I will emphasize it again, blacks problem is that they commit too much crimes. Fix this and you will see cops shooting much less unarmed blacks. If they still wont after blacks crime rate drops, I will join the 'Blacks Lives matter' movement myself too.
This got nothing to do with BLM

Statistically speaking Poor whites actually commit more crimes while being CHARGED less..
And asians being discriminated against by law enforcement more than blacks yet all these people getting shot by police happen to be black :facepalm

With the infiltration of white supremacy groups into law enforcement we have seen an increased number in unarmed black people being shot,
You still haven't adressed this and keep deflecting back to black crime rates :facepalm

Whenever a black person gets shot, If they cant criminalize the victim or blame it on black crime rates, the cop can make up some scenario about how he felt ''in his mind'' and he will go unpunished, Otoh, if you or I were to make up some scenario about how I felt in our mind or blamed it on cops killing blacks we'd be punished to the full extent of the law, Do you see the bullshit? :rolleyes:

[TheWinningFam]

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/5I5s8.png

[SecondTake]

There's a difference between COMMITING crimes and being CHARGED...

These stats people like to use show that blacks are CHARGED with crimes more than blacks, NOT ALL people who are CHARGED actually COMMITED a crime.. this is due to the thinking that ''well blacks commit more crime thinking, You are more likely to find a group doing wrong if you're actively seeking them out..
As Im ballin stated earlier, Its a ECONOMIC thing that contributes mostly to this, Aswell as the insurgence of race soldiers into police forces around the country.
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf
Do you think its just some coincidence that most of these unarmed people being shot recently just happened to be black?

Lets drop this nonsense. Look at murder rates then and explain the difference there. All murders are reported so you cant hide behind the charged/committed disparity.

[Bankaii]

TWF taking a shit on Jermey Lin ITT.

ISB hit the nail on the head too.

[TheWinningFam]

Lets drop this nonsense. Look at murder rates then and explain the difference there. All murders are reported so you cant hide behind the charged/committed disparity.

Again the murder rates directly correlate with Economic levels, The higher above the poverty line you are, the less murders... It has nothing to do with race.

And How does the murder rate justify shooting unarmed black people in the street with their hands up?

Again, If they cant dig up dirt on the person getting shot, the police/Race Soldier can just come up with some scenario about how they felt in their minds, and be acquitted of any wrong doing..

[Quickening]

Again the murder rates directly correlate with Economic levels, The higher above the poverty line you are, the less murders... It has nothing to do with race.

And How does the murder rate justify shooting unarmed black people in the street with their hands up?

Again, If they cant dig up dirt on the person getting shot, the police/Race Soldier can just come up with some scenario about how they felt in their minds, and be acquitted of any wrong doing..

Or people who lack discipline which is a genetic trait are more likely to commit crimes and have poor jobs, and black people are more genetically prone to this?

It is your type of attitude which is prevalent amongst blacks, and just leads to unjustified anger which again leads to crime.

Grow up.

As soon as people accept responsibility for their own behaviour, the better society will become

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And How does the murder rate justify shooting unarmed black people in the street with their hands up?


People still believe this lie about Mike Brown?

Anyways, the point he's making is that black people are more likely to be in confrontation with police due to the fact they're committing more crime.

Statistics actually show that when factoring in the rate of resisting arrest blacks are less involved in police shootings than whites.

[Young X]

GOAT :applause:

[TheWinningFam]

Or people who lack discipline which is a genetic trait are more likely to commit crimes and have poor jobs, and black people are more genetically prone to this?

It is your type of attitude which is prevalent amongst blacks, and just leads to unjustified anger which again leads to crime.

Grow up.

As soon as people accept responsibility for their own behaviour, the better society will become

Shit has nothing to do with genetics :facepalm This is stuff white supremacist like to deflect with. (Not calling you one.)

Lack of discipline is a learned behavior that can be agitated by a lack of resources, again circling back to Wealth.

And agreed, These race soldiers masquerading as police officers need to be held responsible for their actions. why is it that the people being Murdered/Targeted have to take responsibility but not the ones doing the murdering/targeting?
The fbi released a crime report in 2006 stating that the kkk has infiltrated law enforcement, Shouldn't the police be forced to straighten up aswell?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

the kkk is like 5000 members nationwide. they aren't an influential force.

[TheWinningFam]

People still believe this lie about Mike Brown?

Anyways, the point he's making is that black people are more likely to be in confrontation with police due to the fact they're committing more crime.

Statistics actually show that when factoring in the rate of resisting arrest blacks are less involved in police shootings than whites.

Not even talking about mike brown...

Have you heard bout charles kinsley?
https://nayabchohan786.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/wp-1469096209680.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqLd-lEFqsM

Again, this race soldier will probably go unpunished because he felt ''in his mind'' that the autistic patient he was helping was putting mr kinsley's life in danger and thus atempted to shoot the autistic patient, but miraculously missed three shots and hit mr kinsley instead. This is unacceptable.

[Bankaii]

People still believe this lie about Mike Brown?

Anyways, the point he's making is that black people are more likely to be in confrontation with police due to the fact they're committing more crime.

Statistics actually show that when factoring in the rate of resisting arrest blacks are less involved in police shootings than whites.
Statistics also show that blacks are more likely to be pulled over, which would also contribute to the number of confrontation.

And do you have any proof for your last statement?
The problem is that blacks are shot unarmed while most of the time I see a white person shot by the police they had some weapon.

[bigkingsfan]

1,200 people are killed each year over sneakers

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Statistics also show that blacks are more likely to be pulled over, which would also contribute to the number of confrontation.

And do you have any proof for your last statement?
The problem is that blacks are shot unarmed while most of the time I see a white person shot by the police they had some weapon.

Blacks get pulled over more because:

- they drive more recklessly (more prone to speeding etc.)

- they commit more crime (hence fit the profile of a suspect more)

There is nothing wrong with racial profiling so long as it is rooted in fact and fact is Blacks commit a lot more crime than whites (we can argue why this is, but it is simply a fact).

As far as the statistics go: it's about even between blacks and whites getting shot by cops, and even in terms of murders committed by blacks/whites...and Blacks are twice as likely to resist arrest.

Are there individual cases of scumbag/evil cops? Absolutely.

Are the police as a whole overly violent? maybe. I'm not even super opposed to body-cams.

Is there a "systemic" problem of the police killing black people over white people? Probably not.

Is this in the top 100 problems facing the black community? Hell no.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The problem is that blacks are shot unarmed while most of the time I see a white person shot by the police they had some weapon.

The problem is that, the police usually cannot determine if the individual has weapon or not. There is a reason why when cop asks you to pull over, you have to stand still and make sure your hands are not moving. The cop needs to make sure you do not have dangerous weapon that can shoot him.

If you do anything suspicious, even when grabbing your driver's license from your pocket, its possible you get shot since police will mistake you for searching a gun in your pocket. It has happened before that someone pulled this trick and shot a policeman to death, the cops behave the way they do now for a reason.

Since the cops have no way to know if the individual has a weapon, they have to rely on intuition, common sense and past experience a lot. This is when blacks high crime rate comes into play, apparently police believe that blacks are more likely to take out a gun from his pocket, than whites and other races.

This is the root cause of unarmed black men getting shot, and again the only remedy is for blacks to commit less crimes so the stereotype that blacks are more dangerous and irrational will go away. Until that day happens, theres nothing we can do. Cops are human, they are not robots.

[TheWinningFam]

The problem is that, the police usually cannot determine if the individual has weapon or not. There is a reason why when cop asks you to pull over, you have to stand still and make sure your hands are not moving. The cop needs to make sure you do not have dangerous weapon that can shoot him.

If you do anything suspicious, even when grabbing your driver's license from your pocket, its possible you get shot since police will mistake you for searching a gun in your pocket. It has happened before that someone pulled this trick and shot a policeman to death, the cops behave the way they do now for a reason.

Since the cops have no way to know if the individual has a weapon, they have to rely on intuition, common sense and past experience a lot. This is when blacks high crime rate comes into play, apparently police believe that blacks are more likely to take out a gun from his pocket, than whites and other races.

This is the root cause of unarmed black men getting shot, and again the only remedy is for blacks to commit less crimes so the stereotype that blacks are more dangerous and irrational will go away. Until that day happens, theres nothing we can do. Cops are human, they are not robots.
As a cop you're supposed to rely on your police training, not ''how you feel in your mind'' about a situation, this is the problem.
Racially profiling not only puts blacks at risk, but also puts the cops at risk, While you're paying attention to the innocent black guy, as white guy can just run right behind you and pop u in the head :facepalm

If you're on the police force you should be trained to handle every situation differently, because not every individual is the same, You say cops aren't robots then say its ok for them to robotically blank profile every black person they encounter because of statistics :facepalm

Also Its the race soldiers masquerading as police officers shooting unarmed blacks then blaming it on crime, and how they felt ''in their mind'' about the situation that is the problem.

[Mr Feeny]

Or people who lack discipline which is a genetic trait are more likely to commit crimes and have poor jobs, and black people are more genetically prone to this?

It is your type of attitude which is prevalent amongst blacks, and just leads to unjustified anger which again leads to crime.

Grow up.

As soon as people accept responsibility for their own behaviour, the better society will becomeAre you black, bro?

[Quickening]

Shit has nothing to do with genetics :facepalm This is stuff white supremacist like to deflect with. (Not calling you one.)

Lack of discipline is a learned behavior that can be agitated by a lack of resources, again circling back to Wealth.

And agreed, These race soldiers masquerading as police officers need to be held responsible for their actions. why is it that the people being Murdered/Targeted have to take responsibility but not the ones doing the murdering/targeting?
The fbi released a crime report in 2006 stating that the kkk has infiltrated law enforcement, Shouldn't the police be forced to straighten up aswell?
It is deeply ingrained into black society that they're victims and are owed something... Therefore they don't work as hard as other races, and yet feel privileged to equality /wealth etc and thus the crimes.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It is deeply ingrained into black society that they're victims and are owed something... Therefore they don't work as hard as other races, and yet feel privileged to equality /wealth etc and thus the crimes.
This is exactly it. Every problem is blamed on "systematic oppression" from mystical external forces. Never once is it noted that you're like 1000 times more likely to be killed by another black guy than you are a cop.

[Kiddlovesnets]

This is exactly it. Every problem is blamed on "systematic oppression" from mystical external forces. Never once is it noted that you're like 1000 times more likely to be killed by another black guy than you are a cop.

Indeed, blacks are quick to blame everything on other people, such as the whites, the cops and the government, but in reality all it takes is to make some positive changes on their own. I already made it sound simple enough, commit less crimes and the stereotype of blacks being dangerous will go away, thus cops will not shoot unarmed blacks anymore. Theres nothing you can do when they continue to commit crimes, especially with the way they are shooting cops with revenge mindset.

[TheWinningFam]

This is exactly it. Every problem is blamed on "systematic oppression" from mystical external forces. Never once is it noted that you're like 1000 times more likely to be killed by another black guy than you are a cop.

Denying and deflection is the root of systematic opression :facepalm
While that that 1000 times more like statement isn't true lets just put it into context
Also As a white person you're also 1000x more like to be killed by another white person.. People usually kill people that look like them, that's not an excuse. :facepalm

https://nayabchohan786.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/wp-1469096209680.gif

So you're saying its a big coincidence that all of a sudden all these black unarmed people are being shot by race soldiers?

The fbi released a report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement..

Now You have these race soldiers acting as cops going around killing unarmed black people :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

Not the right forum...however;

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Police culture is an issue that needs addressing both in terms of what I will call racial bias and simply in better training to handle certain situations

Black people (specifically black males) commit an absurdly disproportionate amount of violent crimes in America relative to the percentage of the population they make up (there are many reasons for this...but this is just a fact)

Roughly 85% of all black males that get killed...get killed by other black males

Cops kill about 1,000 people a year...a pretty statistically insignificant number (not saying it doesn't matter...they can get better, but cops killing people...especially unarmed cooperating citizens...is just not a widespread problem)

These issues will only be solved once we have an open and honest conversation about what is actually going on in our society. Police culture has to change...our society has to continue to improve...however, the notion that it is "open season" on black people in our country is a false narrative.

Again...there is improvement needed on all fronts, but that can't and won't happen until we talk honestly and stop the divisions that make the problems and fear get worse and worse.

I'm on no side here...I just want things to get better. However, it is tough to see cops gunned down in my former city in large part because of this false and sensationalized narrative that cops are just killing innocent black people all day every day. It is not true...the facts should matter.

[TheWinningFam]

Indeed, blacks are quick to blame everything on other people, such as the whites, the cops and the government, but in reality all it takes is to make some positive changes on their own. I already made it sound simple enough, commit less crimes and the stereotype of blacks being dangerous will go away, thus cops will not shoot unarmed blacks anymore. Theres nothing you can do when they continue to commit crimes, especially with the way they are shooting cops with revenge mindset.

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?

https://nayabchohan786.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/wp-1469096209680.gif

Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished? :facepalm :facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

Denying and deflection is the root of systematic opression :facepalm

Nope you are the one whos denying and deflecting the obvious truth. The US and Europe treat blacks surprisingly well compared to how South Africa is treating whites. How about the injustice suffered by whites in South Africa? Do people like you care about the rights of white people in South Africa?

And even in the US itself, Blacks still are treated much better than Asians. Do the cops shoot Asians? Nope they dont. So you cannot make an argument that police shoot unarmed blacks because they are racists, since if this argument is true they would've shot a lot more Asians.

So yeah, this so called systematic oppression is over-exaggerated, it is not an excuse to continue to commit crimes.

[DMAVS41]

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?

https://nayabchohan786.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/wp-1469096209680.gif

Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished? :facepalm :facepalm


Who argues that the police officers responsible for killing innocent black people or anyone for that matter..aren't responsible or should roam free unpunished?

Can't we condemn the behavior of certain individuals within the police and also talk honestly about reality?

[dgaras]

Not the right forum...however;

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Police culture is an issue that needs addressing both in terms of what I will call racial bias and simply in better training to handle certain situations

Black people (specifically black males) commit an absurdly disproportionate amount of violent crimes in America relative to the percentage of the population they make up (there are many reasons for this...but this is just a fact)

Roughly 85% of all black males that get killed...get killed by other black males

Cops kill about 1,000 people a year

These issues will only be solved once we have an open and honest conversation about what is actually going on in our society. Police culture has to change...our society has to continue to improve...however, the notion that it is "open season" on black people in our country is a false narrative.

Again...there is improvement needed on all fronts, but that can't and won't happen until we talk honestly and stop the divisions that make the problems and fear get worse and worse.

I'm on no side here...I just want things to get better. However, it is tough to see cops gunned down in my former city in large part because of this false and sensationalized narrative that cops are just killing innocent black people all day every day. It is not true...the facts should matter.

main reason is black subculture breeds hate and death. tis all

[TheWinningFam]

Nope you are the one whos denying and deflecting the obvious truth. The US and Europe treat blacks surprisingly well compared to how South Africa is treating whites. How about the injustice suffered by whites in South Africa? Do people like you care about the rights of white people in South Africa?

And even in the US itself, Blacks still are treated much better than Asians. Do the cops shoot Asians? Nope they dont. So you cannot make an argument that police shoot unarmed blacks because they are racists, since if this argument is true they would've shot a lot more Asians.

So yeah, this so called systematic oppression is over-exaggerated, it is not an excuse to continue to commit crimes.
Deflecting again to shit irrelevant to the discussion :facepalm

The U.S constitution and bill of rights clearly state that all men are to be treated equally, yet how is it being treated equally if blacks are being racially profiled because of something someone's doing thats unrelated to that specific person?

There are no studies showing asians are discriminated against by cops more than blacks :facepalm That's bullshit asians are the ones being racially profiled because a certain demographic commits more crime. And again there's no unarmed asians getting slaughtered by race soldiers.


I never said cops are racist, cops are completely fine, the problem is these race soldiers MASQUERADING AS COPS going around killing unarmed black civilians, The fbi released a report clearly stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement.

And then when this happens the cops almost never get charged, this is a big issue, How is it ok to shoot and kill an unarmed person because people unrelated to him other than by skin color commit more crime?

Black crime is not an excuse to shoot unarmed black people with their hands up.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Deflecting again to shit irrelevant to the discussion :facepalm

The U.S constitution and bill of rights clearly state that all men are to be treated equally, yet how is it being treated equally if blacks are being racially profiled because of something someone's doing thats unrelated to that specific person?

There are no studies showing asians are discriminated against by cops more than blacks :facepalm That's bullshit asians are the ones being racially profiled because a certain demographic commits more crime. And again there's no unarmed asians getting slaughtered by race soldiers.


I never said cops are racist, cops are completely fine, my problem is these race soldiers MASQUERADING AS COPS going around killing unarmed black civilians, The fbi released a report clearly stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement.

And then when this happens the cops almost never get charged, this is a big issue, How is it ok to shoot and kill an unarmed person because people unrelated to him other than by skin color commit more crime?

Black crime is not an excuse to shoot unarmed black people with their hands up.

Nope I was not deflecting, you were. You kept ranting at systematic oppression, I told you this so-called oppression doesnt really exist, as blacks are treated very nicely in the Western world, at least compared to how whites are treated in South Africa and Asians are treated in Western world. If you havent read that at all, go back to my previous post and read again. You are smart enough to read between the lines.

Why do cops shoot unarmed blacks, but not unarmed Asians? Because blacks are considered more violent, irrational and resistant to arrest. Blacks have to fix this problem themselves, by committing less crimes. If the crime rates stay this high, theres really nothing we can do. Even if we replace white cops by black cops, they will still shoot more blacks than whites.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

That's a dumb argument how for instance this man below supposed to stop or change someone in chicago from commiting crime?

https://nayabchohan786.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/wp-1469096209680.gif

Also, why do the blacks getting killed while unarmed have to change but the race soldiers doing the killing are allowed to roam free unpunished? :facepalm :facepalm
One case, or even two or three cases does not equal a "systematic" problem. None of the actual statistics back up what you're saying.

Plus the cop in this case was Hispanic. which is obviously why this isn't all over the media. So much for your KKK theory.

[HurricaneKid]

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation


Just read through this disgusting thread.

Holy ****.

[TheWinningFam]

Nope I was not deflecting, you were. You kept ranting at systematic oppression, I told you this so-called oppression doesnt really exist, as blacks are treated very nicely in the Western world, at least compared to how whites are treated in South Africa and Asians are treated in Western world. If you havent read that at all, go back to my previous post and read again. You are smart enough to read between the lines.

Why do cops shoot unarmed blacks, but not unarmed Asians? Because blacks are considered more violent, irrational and resistant to arrest. Blacks have to fix this problem themselves, by committing less crimes. If the crime rates stay this high, theres really nothing we can do. Even if we replace white cops by black cops, they will still shoot more blacks than whites.


Economic status and crime rate go hand in hand, the higher your economic status is, the least likely you are to commit crimes. and vice versa

Impoverished white males are actually statistically shown to be more violent and commit more crimes than impoverished blacks.
Yet all the unarmed people getting shot by race soldiers happen to be black :facepalm

Awnser this question: is it justifiable to kill an innocent black, because of something impoverished blacks do?

Cops shoot more unarmed blacks than asians because white supremacist groups infiltrated law enforcement, verified by a report filed by the fbi. Also because of the fact that asians aren't discriminated against by law enforcement, again please cite something showing this, you keep saying this with no evidence.

[TheWinningFam]

One case, or even two or three cases does not equal a "systematic" problem. None of the actual statistics back up what you're saying.

Plus the cop in this case was Hispanic. which is obviously why this isn't all over the media. So much for your KKK theory.

The kkk had no problem endorsing George Zimmerman when he killed trayvon martin. He was a white Hispanic as well.

Also White hispanic, Hispanic is not a race.

The statistics show an unarmed black person is more likely to be killed by than police than an armed white person :facepalm

I can post hundreds of cases of unarmed black people getting killed by police, then either the victim being criminalized because of his past, or the cop comming up with scenario of how they felt again ''In their mind'' and going unpunished. so either we have a long coincidence, or we have a system of white supremacy thats backed by a report filed by the fbi stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies across the country.

Why whenever an unarmed black person gets shot, there's always some type of excuse and not a result of the cops wrong doing?

[Bankaii]

Blacks get pulled over more because:

- they drive more recklessly (more prone to speeding etc.)

- they commit more crime (hence fit the profile of a suspect more)

There is nothing wrong with racial profiling so long as it is rooted in fact and fact is Blacks commit a lot more crime than whites (we can argue why this is, but it is simply a fact).

As far as the statistics go: it's about even between blacks and whites getting shot by cops, and even in terms of murders committed by blacks/whites...and Blacks are twice as likely to resist arrest.

Are there individual cases of scumbag/evil cops? Absolutely.

Are the police as a whole overly violent? maybe. I'm not even super opposed to body-cams.

Is there a "systemic" problem of the police killing black people over white people? Probably not.

Is this in the top 100 problems facing the black community? Hell no.
You're spouting out a lot of bullshit claims without any support to back it up.

Are you black? Have you ever been pulled over because you "fit a description" that typically is nothing similar to you? If not then you have no place to say.

"There's nothing wrong with racial profiling". Yea I'm done trying to debate this with you. It's obvious you're too much of a bigot to have an objective perspective.

Despite there being klan members and an obvious discriminatory attitude in the police force, it's not a "systematic" issue nor a major problem in the black community? Gtfoh:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The kkk had no problem endorsing George Zimmerman when he killed trayvon martin. He was a white Hispanic as well.

Also White hispanic, Hispanic is not a race.

The statistics show an unarmed black person is more likely to be killed by than police than an armed white person :facepalm

Zimmerman wasn't a cop and that was another bullshit case anyways.

As a percentage of the population? yes. When factoring in crime rates and rates of resisting arrest (aka reality)? hell no.

[Bankaii]

The problem is that, the police usually cannot determine if the individual has weapon or not. There is a reason why when cop asks you to pull over, you have to stand still and make sure your hands are not moving. The cop needs to make sure you do not have dangerous weapon that can shoot him.

If you do anything suspicious, even when grabbing your driver's license from your pocket, its possible you get shot since police will mistake you for searching a gun in your pocket. It has happened before that someone pulled this trick and shot a policeman to death, the cops behave the way they do now for a reason.

Since the cops have no way to know if the individual has a weapon, they have to rely on intuition, common sense and past experience a lot. This is when blacks high crime rate comes into play, apparently police believe that blacks are more likely to take out a gun from his pocket, than whites and other races.

This is the root cause of unarmed black men getting shot, and again the only remedy is for blacks to commit less crimes so the stereotype that blacks are more dangerous and irrational will go away. Until that day happens, theres nothing we can do. Cops are human, they are not robots.
This is why they go through training dumbass.
You can't just going around shooting people like Rambo because you're scared.

If I shot every cop I saw that I feared might harm me would that make it ok?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Awnser this question: is it justifiable to kill an innocent black, because of something impoverished blacks do?

Cops shoot more unarmed blacks than asians because white supremacist groups infiltrated law enforcement, verified by a report filed by the fbi. Also because of the fact that asians aren't discriminated against by law enforcement, again please cite something showing this, you keep saying this with no evidence.

If we know ahead of time that it is an innocent black, then its unjustisfiable to kill him. And of course, the police wouldnt have shot unarmed blacks if they knew for sure they are unarmed. But reality is, they dont know, and they have to make a quick judgment whether the individuals are armed or unarmed, quick enough to be within 2-3 seconds.

This is when blacks criminal stereotype comes into play, as at times like this its more likely that the police considers a black to hold a gun, than a white or asian. And the reason why cops feel this way is backed off by the statistics and facts that blacks do on average, commit much more violent crimes than any other races, especially when it comes to tendency to shoot cops.

So again, I am telling you that, the only remedy to this vicious cycle is for blacks to commit less crimes so cops wont feel threatened in front of a black man. Fix this problem and all subsequent issues go away. Refusing to acknowledge the fact that blacks crimes are the root cause of cops racial profiling, will only lead to more tensions and tragedies.

[TheWinningFam]

Zimmerman wasn't a cop and that was another bullshit case anyways.

As a percentage of the population? yes. When factoring in crime rates and rates of resisting arrest (aka reality)? hell no.
He was a neighborhood watchmen wannabe cop race soldier.

And again how is it a bullshit case? EVERY TIME an unarmed black person gets shot there's ALWAYS some type of EXCUSE and never at the fault of the shooter.

[smoovegittar]

the kkk is like 5000 members nationwide. they aren't an influential force.

Oh, really? How many spin off hate groups have they generated over the years? Groups like The Alliance and Aryan Resistance. Skinheads and Order of Thule. All these losers subscribe to the Klan template. KKK now is more interested in placing agents into our system and generating money than marching in robes.

[TheWinningFam]

If we know ahead of time that it is an innocent black, then its unjustisfiable to kill him. And of course, the police wouldnt have shot unarmed blacks if they knew for sure they are unarmed. But reality is, they dont know, and they have to make a quick judgment whether the individuals are armed or unarmed, quick enough to be within 2-3 seconds.

This is when blacks criminal stereotype comes into play, as at times like this its more likely that the police considers a black to hold a gun, than a white or asian. And the reason why cops feel this way is backed off by the statistics and facts that blacks do on average, commit much more violent crimes than any other races, especially when it comes to tendency to shoot cops.

So again, I am telling you that, the only remedy to this problem is for blacks to commit less crimes so cops wont feel threatened in front of a black man. Fix this problem and all subsequent issues go away. Refusing to acknowledge the fact that blacks crimes are the root cause of cops racial profiling, will only lead to more tensions and tragedies.
Statistics show impoverished white people commit more crime and are more violent than black people.. Again when you have no money you have no hope and resort to violence. This is what they don't tell you and just give u blanket statements like ''blacks commit more crime''When given opportunity it's shown blacks are the LEAST likely to commit violent crime... yet we use the ''blacks commit more crime'' copout as an excuse to kill unarmed blacks. :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You're spouting out a lot of bullshit claims without any support to back it up.

Are you black? Have you ever been pulled over because you "fit a description" that typically is nothing similar to you? If not then you have no place to say.


Are you a white cop? Have you ever been accused of being a racist, bigot murderer because you "fit a description" that typically is nothing similar to you? If not then you have no place to say.

Does this stupidity pass as an argument?

I am not black, but I am a racial minority in an area where my minority commits a disproportionate amount of crime, for what it's worth.


"There's nothing wrong with racial profiling". Yea I'm done trying to debate this with you. It's obvious you're too much of a bigot to have an objective perspective.

Wow another great argument. When in doubt scream racist, right? :oldlol:

Fact is profiling IS a good thing. You go where the stats and the description of the suspect tell you. A random 18-30 year old male from Syria is factually more likely to be a terrorist than a random 70-80 year-old grandmother from Vermont.

You could do the exact same bullshit statistical manipulation you idiots do and arrive with the fact that cops are sexist...because after all they arrest and Kill A LOT more men than women right? A lot more men in prison than women, also..

Are cops sexist? Is the system rigged against these men?

Or could it be that men just commit more crime.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Oh, really? How many spin off hate groups have they generated over the years? Groups like The Alliance and Aryan Resistance. Skinheads and Order of Thule. All these losers subscribe to the Klan template. KKK now is more interested in placing agents into our system and generating money than marching in robes.

How many people have you met in your life who take the KKK seriously? How many think they're anything but ****ing morons?

Can't say i've met a single one.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

He was a neighborhood watchmen wannabe cop race soldier.

And again how is it a bullshit case? EVERY TIME an unarmed black person gets shot there's ALWAYS some type of EXCUSE and never at the fault of the shooter.
Trayvon assaulted him, that's why.

even if you don't think he did, there was zero evidence to get a conviction.

[smoovegittar]

How many people have you met in your life who take the KKK seriously? How many think they're anything but ****ing morons?

Can't say i've met a single one.

You're not white. And you're probably much younger than me. If you're gonna wave off the effect of the Klan on other newer, younger hate groups then your bias towards Blacks is clearly evident.

Yeah, I'm wasting my time with another small mind here. Later.

[TheWinningFam]

Trayvon assaulted him, that's why.

even if you don't think he did, there was zero evidence to get a conviction.

Get out of your vehicle follow and approach someone you dont know not bothering you after the police said not to, then cry assault brehs I'm not saying he shoulda got a murder conviction but atleast manslaughter, really? go against police demands kill someone then go home the same night? :facepalm Again there's always some type of excuse when an unarmed black person gets shot and its never systematic supremacy, even tho the FBI confirmed there are race soldiers out here committing these atrocities as we speak. But i guess if You haven't seen it or it doesn't affect you, it doesn't exist eh? :facepalm

[smoovegittar]

Get out of your vehicle follow and approach someone you dont know not bothering you after the police said not to, then cry assault brehs I'm not saying he shoulda got a murder conviction but atleast manslaughter, really? go against police demands kill someone then go home the same night? :facepalm Again there's always some type of excuse when an unarmed black person gets shot and its never systematic supremacy, even tho the FBI confirmed there are race soldiers out here committing these atrocities as we speak. But i guess if You haven't seen it or it doesn't affect you, it doesn't exist eh? :facepalm

Not much going on in that "mound". Not worth the time, man.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Get out of your vehicle follow and approach someone you dont know not bothering you after the police said not to, then cry assault brehs I'm not saying he shoulda got a murder conviction but atleast manslaughter, really? go against police demands kill someone then go home the same night? :facepalm Again there's always some type of excuse when an unarmed black person gets shot and its never systematic supremacy, even tho the FBI confirmed there are race soldiers out here committing these atrocities as we speak. But i guess if You haven't seen it or it doesn't affect you, it doesn't exist eh? :facepalm

You have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. regardless if it's manslaughter or murder. You can't prove that Trayvon wasn't assaulting him and then he defended himself.

By the way the cops gave him a recommendation, not a demand. He has every right to get out of the car. Was it smart to? No. But not illegal.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You're not white. And you're probably much younger than me. If you're gonna wave off the effect of the Klan on other newer, younger hate groups then your bias towards Blacks is clearly evident.

Yeah, I'm wasting my time with another small mind here. Later.

Another great argument.

I'm not saying hate groups or racists don't exist. Of course they do. There are black supremacist groups and white supremacist groups.

I'm saying that there aren't that many and they aren't that influential.

[Mr Feeny]

Just read through this disgusting thread.

Holy ****.

Yup Kiddlovesnets and the guy with the trump avy are coming off as some of those white supremacists. Delusion all over. I almost can't believe what I'm reading.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Statistics show impoverished white people commit more crime and are more violent than black people.. Again when you have no money you have no hope and resort to violence. This is what they don't tell you and just give u blanket statements like ''blacks commit more crime''When given opportunity it's shown blacks are the LEAST likely to commit violent crime... yet we use the ''blacks commit more crime'' copout as an excuse to kill unarmed blacks. :facepalm

You keep insisting that impoverished whites commit more crimes than blacks, but in fact its highly controversial and inconsistent how income level is related to crime rate. This is from wikipedia:



Somewhat inconsistent evidence indicates a relationship between low income, percentage under the poverty line, few years of education, and high income inequality in an area and more crime in the area.


So you see, its highly debatable whether low income is related to higher crime rate, or at least its unclear if the relationship is purely linear. You cannot use evidence that is not yet proven.

And you are talking nonsense already, how are blacks not given a chance? In fact, our country is giving black people more chances than any other races, as you can see clearly that schools accept black students at score/grade much lower than any other races. Is the society not giving black people chances, or are they refusing to take their chances because of the victim mindset?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yup Kiddlovesnets and the guy with the trump avy are coming off as some of those white supremacists. Delusion all over. I almost can't believe what I'm reading.

Screaming "racist!". Another great argument :applause:

[DMAVS41]

You keep insisting that impoverished whites commit more crimes than blacks, but in fact its highly controversial and inconsistent how income level is related to crime rate. This is from wikipedia:



So you see, its highly debatable whether low income is related to higher crime rate, or at least its unclear if the relationship is purely linear. You cannot use evidence that is not yet proven.

And you are talking nonsense already, how are blacks not given a chance? In fact, our country is giving black people more chances than any other races, as you can see clearly that schools accept black students at score/grade much lower than any other races. Is the society not giving black people chances, or are they refusing to take their chances because of the victim mindset?

Are you asserting that on the whole...black people have a better chance to succeed in our society than white people?

[Mr Feeny]

If we know ahead of time that it is an innocent black, then its unjustisfiable to kill him. And of course, the police wouldnt have shot unarmed blacks if they knew for sure they are unarmed. But reality is, they dont know, and they have to make a quick judgment whether the individuals are armed or unarmed, quick enough to be within 2-3 seconds.

This is when blacks criminal stereotype comes into play, as at times like this its more likely that the police considers a black to hold a gun, than a white or asian. And the reason why cops feel this way is backed off by the statistics and facts that blacks do on average, commit much more violent crimes than any other races, especially when it comes to tendency to shoot cops.

So again, I am telling you that, the only remedy to this vicious cycle is for blacks to commit less crimes so cops wont feel threatened in front of a black man. Fix this problem and all subsequent issues go away. Refusing to acknowledge the fact that blacks crimes are the root cause of cops racial profiling, will only lead to more tensions and tragedies.

Black crimes aren't the root of cops murdering unarmed black men. Racism is. Systematic racism. A black man that has nothing to do with the impoverished black men committing crimes shouldn't be taking bullets without a reason. The problem isn't black crimes. Not with this issue. It's the racism from these white conservatives who can't stand black people.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Are you asserting that on the whole...black people have a better chance to succeed in our society than white people?

Not really, but clearly our country is giving many chances to the black people. The blacks can get into a good school/university at much lower score/grade, and yet no one complains that its unfair. I am just saying that, its time to stop blaming the society for being unfair when its already doing a very decent job.
:rolleyes:

[DMAVS41]

Black crimes aren't the root of cops murdering unarmed black men. Racism is. Systematic racism. A black man that has nothing to do with the impoverished black men committing crimes shouldn't be taking bullets without a reason. The problem isn't black crimes. Not with this issue. It's the racism from these white conservatives who can't stand black people.

I'm going to tap out of this conversation because it is not the right place, but it is comments like this and the above notion that black people have as good or better chances in our society than whites...

That prevent any real conversation from being had.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Are you asserting that on the whole...black people have a better chance to succeed in our society than white people?

Probably not. But there are no laws in the country which openly discriminate against black people, which makes it difficult to make the case that it is "systematic".

There are obviously individual racists.

[TheWinningFam]

You keep insisting that impoverished whites commit more crimes than blacks, but in fact its highly controversial and inconsistent how income level is related to crime rate. This is from wikipedia:



So you see, its highly debatable whether low income is related to higher crime rate, or at least its unclear if the relationship is purely linear. You cannot use evidence that is not yet proven.

And you are talking nonsense already, how are blacks not given a chance? In fact, our country is giving black people more chances than any other races, as you can see clearly that schools accept black students at score/grade much lower than any other races. Is the society not giving black people chances, or are they refusing to take their chances because of the victim mindset?
This is simple economics if you feel you have no way to make money people often resort to illegal activities :facepalm

If you make it that far, the school systems are terrible in impoverished areas where blacks reside. have you seen those chicago or detroit schools?

The mindset is the school is shit, the teachers dont teach you any useful, so they resort to joining gangs and being involved in illegal activities.

Again yeah they'll accept you if you got the money to go, it all again goes back to economics if you have no money your options are limited how do you not understand this is beyond me :facepalm
This is all deflecting from the point that there are race soldiers masquerading as police officers, this has been confirmed by an fbi report, yet you have yet to address this and keep deflecting back to black people ''playing the victim''

[DMAVS41]

Not really, but clearly our country is giving many chances to the black people. The blacks can get into a good school/university at much lower score/grade, and yet no one complains that its unfair. I am just saying that, its time to stop blaming the society for being unfair when its already doing a very decent job.
:rolleyes:

We can do much better though. And the issues start way before school/university...

But...I'm out on this one. I talk enough about this at work, at home, and in community meetings.

I come here to talk/argue with people about ball.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

This is simple economics if you feel you have no way to make money people often resort to illegal activities :facepalm

If you make it that far, the school systems are terrible in impoverished areas where blacks reside. have you seen those chicago or detroit schools?

The mindset is the school is shit, the teachers dont teach you any useful, so they resort to joining gangs and being involved in illegal activities.

Again yeah they'll accept you if you got the money to go, it all again goes back to economics if you have no money your options are limited how do you not understand this is beyond me :facepalm
This is all deflecting from the point that there are race soldiers masquerading as police officers, this has been confirmed by an fbi report, yet you have yet to address this and keep deflecting back to black people ''playing the victim''

you got a link to the stats for low income white crime vs black crime?

[Mr Feeny]

I'm going to tap out of this conversation because it is not the right place, but it is comments like this and the above notion that black people have as good or better chances in our society than whites...

That prevent any real conversation from being had.You think black people have it as good as whites in the states?

[DMAVS41]

You think black people have it as good as whites in the states?

What? Of course not.

I was saying that his comment and yours prevent real conversations.

There is clear racism still in our country and there is a real problem with police culture.

Just like there isn't widespread systemic racism in favor of killing innocent black people...nor do cops kill a bunch of unarmed citizens to begin with.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Black crimes aren't the root of cops murdering unarmed black men. Racism is. Systematic racism. A black man that has nothing to do with the impoverished black men committing crimes shouldn't be taking bullets without a reason. The problem isn't black crimes. Not with this issue. It's the racism from these white conservatives who can't stand black people.
Nope black crimes is the root, until they commit less crime theres nothing we can do. I already told you, the blacks are treated much better in America compared to Asians, but yet cops dont kill unarmed Asians. Its because blacks do commit more crimes than any other races combined. If Asians commit violent crimes with the same rate, we surely will see many unarmed asians getting killed as well, same for whites. Its quick and easy to blame everything on racism, but it wont solve the problem unless the root of this issue is fixed.

[TheWinningFam]

What? Of course not.

I was saying that his comment and yours prevent real conversations.

There is clear racism still in our country and there is a real problem with police culture.

Just like there isn't widespread systemic racism in favor of killing innocent black people.
In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.

[Mr Feeny]

What? Of course not.Oh. Alright, I misread the post then.

All I'm saying is that it does get frustrating. White kkk members have infiltrated the police force as another poster on here pointed out. Corruption and racism within cops has been around for decades. Furman during the OJ trial was only one of many in the same boat.
When a cop says he hates n!ggers, there's a problem.

The number of unarmed (I'll repeat, completely unarmed) minorities that get killed is astonishing. It isn't an anomaly. This isn't 1 or 2 cases. It happens all the time. My African american friends are afraid of doing anythng when they get pulled over, lest they get shot dead. They feel emasculated, powerless and impotent. If some of the people in power - cops- are closet or even open racists, how can black people ever get a fair shake?

That's not even bringing up improvreishmrnt and racial segregation that has exacerbated all of the problems these blacks face.
And we have the trump lovers ok here defending the cops to the hill and blaming black people for getting shot. That's incendiary and that's where some of us draw the line. This latent prejudice in so many of these people is coming out now, with that clown making it ok to verbalise inner hatred towards minorities - whether they be Hispanic, Muslim or black.

[TheWinningFam]

Nope black crimes is the root, until they commit less crime theres nothing we can do. I already told you, the blacks are treated much better in America compared to Asians, but yet cops dont kill unarmed Asians. Its because blacks do commit more crimes than any other races combined. If Asians commit violent crimes with the same rate, we surely will see many unarmed asians getting killed as well, same for whites. Its quick and easy to blame everything on racism, but it wont solve the problem unless the root of this issue is fixed.

Stop spewing this lie that asians get discriminated against by law enforcement, untill you show me some type of proof it isn't true :facepalm

But what is a fact is that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement groups confirmed via FBI report http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf It's no coincidence that after this happend, the occurrences of unarmed blacks being shot increased. We have a bunch of race soldiers acting as police officers killing blacks, but keep living in denial.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nope black crimes is the root, until they commit less crime theres nothing we can do. I already told you, the blacks are treated much better in America compared to Asians, but yet cops dont kill unarmed Asians. Its because blacks do commit more crimes than any other races combined. If Asians commit violent crimes with the same rate, we surely will see many unarmed asians getting killed as well, same for whites. Its quick and easy to blame everything on racism, but it wont solve the problem unless the root of this issue is fixed.

Yup and saying that low-income whites commit as much crimes as blacks is not an argument.

First of all you're comparing a subsection of whites (low income) to all blacks, when the comparison should be to low-income blacks. Secondly, you'd have to analyze which police shootings were of low income whites and compare that to the shooting to blacks. Then examine the correlation between low-income white police shootings, low income black police shootings and their respective crime rates. Then you'd have something resembling a true statistical argument.

[Mr Feeny]

In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.

Yup. That's the one I was mentioning. Then we have an idiot ok here saying black crime is the cause and root of all this. Not racism. Oh no. Black crime. Jesus feking Christ. 0

[Kiddlovesnets]

In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.

Its funny you keep using that document as an evidence for your argument when the relationship between crime and income is still inconsistent and obscure. I think we should at least be rational and use already proven facts to back up our claims, rather than a hypothesis. And again its all nonsense to you since all you can say is 'its the white supremacy'. So South Africa has a black supremacy nowadays, and yet blacks still commit more crimes than whites in that country.
:rolleyes:


Yup and saying that low-income whites commit as much crimes as blacks is not an argument.

First of all you're comparing a subsection of whites (low income) to all blacks, when the comparison should be to low-income blacks. Secondly, you'd have to analyze which police shootings were of low income whites and compare that to the shooting to blacks. Then examine the correlation between low-income white police shootings, low income black police shootings and their respective crime rates. Then you'd have something resembling a true statistical argument.
Yeah and again like I mentioned already, the claim that low income whites commit more crimes than blacks is still a hypothesis, I mean hypothesis. One cannot use hypothesis to fight proven facts/statistics, its not even a logical comparison.

[Mr Feeny]

Its funny you keep using that document as an evidence for your argument when the relationship between crime and income is still inconsistent and obscure. I think we should at least be rational and use already proven facts to back up our claims, rather than a hypothesis. And again its all nonsense to you since all you can say is 'its the white supremacy'. So South Africa has a black supremacy nowadays, and yet blacks still commit more crimes than whites in that country.
:rolleyes:What does south Africa have to do with the US?are you suggesting that poverty is not the cause ie. The cause is that black pepper are inferior and savages and can't control their crimes?

[TheWinningFam]

Yup and saying that low-income whites commit as much crimes as blacks is not an argument.

First of all you're comparing a subsection of whites (low income) to all blacks, when the comparison should be to low-income blacks. Secondly, you'd have to analyze which police shootings were of low income whites and compare that to the shooting to blacks. Then examine the correlation between low-income white police shootings, low income black police shootings and their respective crime rates. Then you'd have something resembling a true statistical argument.

But what is a fact is that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement groups confirmed via FBI report

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf After this report was filed there has been a sudden increase in cops shooting unarmed blacks, Either its all just a big coincidence, or we have a case of white supremacy that needs to be handled in law enforcement.

Saying blacks should commit less crimes to avoid getting shot while unarmed is like saying woman should stop wearing dresses to avoid getting raped :facepalm :facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

What does south Africa have to do with the US?are you suggesting that poverty is not the cause ie. The cause is that black pepper are inferior and savages and can't control their crimes?

Well I never said they are inferior savages, if I did think this way I wouldnt have suggested that blacks should try to commit less crimes. Why do you tell people something to do when you are sure they cannot do it at all?

I am not stupid, I believe all lives are equal. I believe its possible to make black population less crime-prone, and then all problems will go away. It seems to me that you are a racist yourself, that you think blacks aint capable of committing less crimes. If so, I have nothing to say.
:rolleyes:

[colts19]

Not the right forum...however;

There is clearly racism in the United States...anyone denying that should be laughed out of the conversation

Police culture is an issue that needs addressing both in terms of what I will call racial bias and simply in better training to handle certain situations

Black people (specifically black males) commit an absurdly disproportionate amount of violent crimes in America relative to the percentage of the population they make up (there are many reasons for this...but this is just a fact)

Roughly 85% of all black males that get killed...get killed by other black males

Cops kill about 1,000 people a year...a pretty statistically insignificant number (not saying it doesn't matter...they can get better, but cops killing people...especially unarmed cooperating citizens...is just not a widespread problem)

These issues will only be solved once we have an open and honest conversation about what is actually going on in our society. Police culture has to change...our society has to continue to improve...however, the notion that it is "open season" on black people in our country is a false narrative.

Again...there is improvement needed on all fronts, but that can't and won't happen until we talk honestly and stop the divisions that make the problems and fear get worse and worse.

I'm on no side here...I just want things to get better. However, it is tough to see cops gunned down in my former city in large part because of this false and sensationalized narrative that cops are just killing innocent black people all day every day. It is not true...the facts should matter.

Finally the voice of reason. I might add I blame the media for a lot of this along with Obama. If we had every case of a white guy being killed shown on CNN every night for weeks on end. Then we had the President of the US, come out long before all that facts were in and say we have a Police problem, then I guess everyone would believe we had a problem with police killing whites.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But what is a fact is that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement groups confirmed via FBI report

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/402521/doc-26-white-supremacist-infiltration.pdf After this report was filed there has been a sudden increase in cops shooting unarmed blacks, Either its all just a big coincidence, or we have a case of white supremacy that needs to be handled in law enforcement.

Saying blacks should commit less crimes to avoid getting shot while unarmed is like saying woman should stop wearing dresses to avoid getting raped :facepalm :facepalm
Have any of the cops in the cases most often cited: trayvon, mike brown, freddie gray, etc..

Actually been traced back to white supremacist groups? You can't reject overall stats, and then use anecdotal evidence to prove a claim and then not even have your anecdotes back up what you're saying.

[Mr Feeny]

Well I never said they are inferior savages, if I did think this way I wouldnt have suggested that blacks should try to commit less crimes. Why do you tell people something to do when you are sure they cannot do it at all?

I am not stupid, I believe all lives are equal. I believe its possible to make black population less crime-prone, and then all problems will go away. It seems to me that you are a racist yourself, that you think blacks aint capable of committing less crimes. If so, I have nothing to say.
:rolleyes:

I'm not the one blaming blacks for getting shot by cops. You are. Racism is an ugly thing and you seem like you might be one.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I'm not the one blaming blacks for getting shot by cops. You are. Racism is an ugly thing and you seem like you might be one.

But you are the one who claimed that blacks are inferior and savages who cannot control themselves, I am not. I believe they can change for the better, you dont.
:rolleyes:

[Mr Feeny]

Finally the voice of reason. I might add I blame the media for a lot of this along with Obama. If we had every case of a white guy being killed shown on CNN every night for weeks on end. Then we had the President of the US, come out long before all that facts were in and say we have a Police problem, then I guess everyone would believe we had a problem with police killing whites.No because people are not morons. They see that blacks get killed by white cops at an alarmingly high rate while you'd be hard pressed to find many situations in which a black cop killed an unarmed white man. Go ahead and find me 5. I dare you.

[Mr Feeny]

But you are the one who claimed that blacks are inferior and savages who cannot control themselves, I am not. I believe they can change for the better, you dont.
:rolleyes:I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Stick to racism boy. Or go back to school and take an English language course.

[Bankaii]

Are you a white cop? Have you ever been accused of being a racist, bigot murderer because you "fit a description" that typically is nothing similar to you? If not then you have no place to say.

Does this stupidity pass as an argument?

I am not black, but I am a racial minority in an area where my minority commits a disproportionate amount of crime, for what it's worth.
Your argument holds no weight because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
If you have never been unjustly treated strictly because of your race, you have no right to pretend as if you full grasp the situation.
On top of the fact that all your statements were completely baseless.



Wow another great argument. When in doubt scream racist, right? :oldlol:

Fact is profiling IS a good thing. You go where the stats and the description of the suspect tell you. A random 18-30 year old male from Syria is factually more likely to be a terrorist than a random 70-80 year-old grandmother from Vermont.

You could do the exact same bullshit statistical manipulation you idiots do and arrive with the fact that cops are sexist...because after all they arrest and Kill A LOT more men than women right? A lot more men in prison than women, also..

Are cops sexist? Is the system rigged against these men?

Or could it be that men just commit more crime.
Where did I say anything about racism, moron?
I called you a bigot because anyone that thinks that racial profiling is 100% ok is just that, a bigot.

Nice straw man btw, that's completely irrelevant.
Assuming a black man is violent and more prone to violence just because of the actions of someone completely different and using it as a means to judge whether or not you should be more aggressive isn't good at all, it's an injustice.
Again no one can be dumb enough to actually believe that.

[Mr Feeny]

Your argument holds no weight because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
If you have never been unjustly treated strictly because of your race, you have no right to pretend as if you full grasp the situation.
On top of the fact that all your statements were completely baseless.



Where did I say anything about racism, moron?
I called you a bigot because anyone that thinks that racial profiling is 100% ok is just that, a bigot.

Nice straw man btw, that's completely irrelevant.
Assuming a black man is violent and more prone to violence just because of the actions of someone completely different and using it as a means to judge whether or not you should be more aggressive isn't good at all, it's an injustice.
Again no one can be dumb enough to actually believe that.

It's not just an injustice. It's idiotic. And that tells you all you need to know about trump boy's IQ here.

[TheWinningFam]

Have any of the cops in the cases most often cited: trayvon, mike brown, freddie gray, etc..

Actually been traced back to white supremacist groups? You can't reject overall stats, and then use anecdotal evidence to prove a claim and then not even have your anecdotes back up what you're saying.

The problem is there's no investigation going into this, the judicial system is scared and wont convict police officers that commit crimes, Just because someone cant be directly tied to a group doesn't mean they dont have relations with that said group or know someone associated with that said group.

The fact of the matter remains that after the fbi released that crime report, the incidents of cops shooting UNARMED blacks increased, again either its all a big coincidence :rolleyes: as you claim or its systematic supremacy going on this hit list tyrant.

I just find it hilarious how after that fbi report was released every time a black person gets slaughtered while unarmed there's always some type of excuse for why the cop shot him/assaulted him and it's always the victim's fault. the dissonance and denial by some people :facepalm

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Your argument holds no weight because it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.
If you have never been unjustly treated strictly because of your race, you have no right to pretend as if you full grasp the situation.
On top of the fact that all your statements were completely baseless.


You can't essentially say I can't talk about an issue concerning black people because I'm not black and at the same time say white cops are racist despite not being white.


Where did I say anything about racism, moron?
I called you a bigot because anyone that thinks that racial profiling is 100% ok is just that, a bigot.


You clearly don't know what the definition of a bigot is. I'm not intolerant of your beliefs, if anyone is being intolerant of beliefs it's you. Jesus Christ you're an idiot.



Nice straw man btw, that's completely irrelevant.
Assuming a black man is violent and more prone to violence just because of the actions of someone completely different and using it as a means to judge whether or not you should be more aggressive isn't good at all, it's an injustice.
Again no one can be dumb enough to actually believe that.

Fact is blacks commit more murders than whites and in 2015 2 times more whites were killed by police than blacks...this despite the fact that blacks are more likely to resist arrest and 3 times more likely to fire at a police officer. these are just facts.

And yes, as a police department you'd be much better served using your resources to patrol and enforce in high crime areas in Chicago rather than wasting your time in some area where there isn't much crime. You go where the facts tell you.

Again, would you say it's sexist if cops pulled over more men than women? Were more cautious of men than women?

[colts19]

No because people are not morons. They see that blacks get killed by white cops at an alarmingly high rate while you'd be hard pressed to find many situations in which a black cop killed an unarmed white man. Go ahead and find me 5. I dare you.
Here are a few. Gilbert Collar, Chris Few and his 6 yr old son, who was shot 5 times and Dillon Taylor. Also here are a few facts for you.

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or

[TheWinningFam]

[QUOTE=colts19]Here are a few. Gilbert Collar, Chris Few and his 6 yr old son, who was shot 5 times and Dillon Taylor. Also here are a few facts for you.

1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Still blaming the victim and deflecting back to the ''blacks commit more crime so its ok to murder them'' logic


No. The logic is that blacks commit more crime therefore they are more likely to be in confrontation with the police.

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ this thread

Nobody cares what Jordan thinks

[TheWinningFam]

No. The logic is that blacks commit more crime therefore they are more likely to be in confrontation with the police.
:facepalm The unarmed black people getting shot were doing nothing wrong to warrant any police confrontation in the first place, thats the problem the fact that the cops felt the need confront that person because of the color of their skin.. or ''how i felt in my mind'' scenarios is the route of the issue.. You cant just go around confronting people without probable cause... because the constitution says so. A person's skin color is not a probable cause to confront someone.
If you cant see the problem in confronting a person because of their skin color because of what someone of his tone does in another state idk what else to tell you :facepalm

It's bought as stupid as me saying its ok to harrass white people because they're more likely to commit rape :facepalm shit's dumb.

In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...filtration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.

[97 bulls]

No. The logic is that blacks commit more crime therefore they are more likely to be in confrontation with the police.
What part of his rebuttal are you incapable of comprehending????? You've stated the same thing in every one of your posts. Yes we all know that statistics say that blacks commit more crimes.

He answered why. It has nothing to do with race. It's a socio-economic situation. Well off blacks don't commit any more crime than similar whites or any other race.

And as Fam stated, these are crime COMVICTIONS. stats also show that blacks are targeted more than whites. And receive harsher penalties for the same crimes. But obviously. You won't acknowledge this fact.

Allow me to relate this to you in a different light. OJ Simpson was freed because he had the financial resources to fight that case against him. This concept is exactly how white's are exonerated of their crimes as well.

[97 bulls]

:facepalm The unarmed black people getting shot were doing nothing wrong to warrant any police confrontation in the first place, thats the problem the fact that the cops felt the need confront that person because of the color of their skin.. or ''how i felt in my mind'' scenarios is the route of the issue.. You cant just go around confronting people without probable cause... because the constitution says so. A person's skin color is not a probable cause to confront someone.
If you cant see the problem in confronting a person because of their skin color because of what someone of his tone does in another state idk what else to tell you :facepalm

It's bought as stupid as me saying its ok to harrass white people because they're more likely to commit rape :facepalm shit's dumb.

In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...filtration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.
Great post

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What part of his rebuttal are you incapable of comprehending????? You've stated the same thing in every one of your posts. Yes we all know that statistics say that blacks commit more crimes.

He answered why. It has nothing to do with race. It's a socio-economic situation. Well off blacks don't commit any more crime than similar whites or any other race.


:facepalm

I don't care why they're committing more crime... it could be income it could be culture it could be genetics....it's irrelevant to this discussion

fact is they DO commit more crime and therefore are more likely to be in confrontation police officers and thus more likely to be shot.

[Kiddlovesnets]

What part of his rebuttal are you incapable of comprehending????? You've stated the same thing in every one of your posts. Yes we all know that statistics say that blacks commit more crimes.

He answered why. It has nothing to do with race. It's a socio-economic situation. Well off blacks don't commit any more crime than similar whites or any other race.

And as Fam stated, these are crime COMVICTIONS. stats also show that blacks are targeted more than whites. And receive harsher penalties for the same crimes. But obviously. You won't acknowledge this fact.

Allow me to relate this to you in a different light. OJ Simpson was freed because he had the financial resources to fight that case against him. This concept is exactly how white's are exonerated of their crimes as well.

Well what you said to RoundMoundOfReb can be said to TheWinningFam as well, who also stated the same thing over and over again in everyone of his posts. He has only one such evidence to back himself up, whose credibility is still questionable. And according to the source I found, the correlation between income and crime rate is inconsistent. There is no universally accepted evidence that low income leads to more crimes.

What TheWinningFam has been posting over and over again, that whites commit more crimes than blacks at low income level, is a Hypothesis. I mean, a hypothesis. Hes using his hypothesis to counter blacks high crime rate overall, which is a known fact. You lose credibility when you use hypothesis to fight facts, its not even debatable.
:biggums:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:facepalm The unarmed black people getting shot were doing nothing wrong to warrant any police confrontation in the first place, thats the problem the fact that the cops felt the need confront that person because of the color of their skin.. or ''how i felt in my mind'' scenarios is the route of the issue.. You cant just go around confronting people without probable cause... because the constitution says so. A person's skin color is not a probable cause to confront someone.
If you cant see the problem in confronting a person because of their skin color because of what someone of his tone does in another state idk what else to tell you :facepalm

It's bought as stupid as me saying its ok to harrass white people because they're more likely to commit rape :facepalm shit's dumb.

In 2006 the fbi released a crime report stating that white supremacy groups have infiltrated law enforcement agencies around the country http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...filtration.pdf

As a result we have Race soldiers around the nation masqurading as police officers killing innocent unarmed blacks, then blaming it on ''black on black crime'' or ''How i felt in my head'' scenarios.

Everytime a cop kills an unarmed black there's always some type of excuse either we have a long coincidence or a system of white supremacy that needs to be addressed by the law enforcement themselves.

To make an argument that something is "systemic" it has to be valid over a large sample of statistics and not proven through anecdotes. which is simply not the case. the rate at which blacks are killed by cops is not even proportional to the percentage of violent crime they commit. It's below that or in line at best.

Are there instances of police brutality? OF COURSE. and those officers should be punished.

[Bankaii]

You can't essentially say I can't talk about an issue concerning black people because I'm not black and at the same time say white cops are racist despite not being white.
All of you arguments are either straw man or completely baseless.
I never said cops were racist. I said that racist individuals have infiltrated the system and somewhat tainted it.
I personally do not believe all cops are racist, so again your entire argument is irrelevant.

Unless you have been unjustly prejudiced against due to your face by the police, you can't pretend you understand the magnitude of the issue. Period.


You clearly don't know what the definition of a bigot is. I'm not intolerant of your beliefs, if anyone is being intolerant of beliefs it's you. Jesus Christ you're an idiot.
You do know that words have multiple meaning right dumbass?
A bigot can be an ignorant, prejudice, small-minded person. Which describes you perfectly concerning this topic.


Fact is blacks commit more murders than whites and in 2015 2 times more whites were killed by police than blacks...this despite the fact that blacks are more likely to resist arrest and 3 times more likely to fire at a police officer. these are just facts.

And yes, as a police department you'd be much better served using your resources to patrol and enforce in high crime areas in Chicago rather than wasting your time in some area where there isn't much crime. You go where the facts tell you.

Again, would you say it's sexist if cops pulled over more men than women? Were more cautious of men than women?
Where is the proof of there "facts"? You keep posting this bullshit without any support.

I don't care what people in Chicago do. That shouldn't affect how I am treated when I live in an area where crime isn't really an issue. Yet, I still blacks being unjustly treated in various areas across the country due racial profiling and systemic racism.

You seriously can not possibly be this stupid.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

All of you arguments are either straw man or completely baseless.
I never said cops were racist. I said that racist individuals have infiltrated the system and somewhat tainted it.
I personally do not believe all cops are racist, so again your entire argument is irrelevant.


Do you have any evidence for this? Actual cases? Cops with white supremacist ties involved with freddie gray, mike brown etc?



You do know that words have multiple meaning right dumbass?
A bigot can be an ignorant, prejudice, small-minded person. Which describes you perfectly concerning this topic.


So essentially you were calling me a racist? Explain why I'm a bigot


Where is the proof of there "facts"? You keep posting this bullshit without any support.


Black and White Murder totals is about equal

more whites are killed by cops

blacks are more likely to resist arrest/fire at a police officer



I don't care what people in Chicago do. That shouldn't affect how I am treated when I live in an area where crime isn't really an issue. Yet, I still blacks being unjustly treated in various areas across the country due racial profiling and systemic racism.

I can't believe that you find it shocking that areas where there are higher crime rates would be under more scrutiny than areas where there is none. You think if cops stopped patrolling high crime areas they would get better or worse? More black people would die or less?

Also, love how you keep dodging the sexism question. Are cops sexist if they arrest, shoot more men than women? Have they been infiltrated by feminists? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Because the argument your making could be made even better if me made it along the lines of sex.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I think its necessary to clarify some things here:


1. Police shooting unarmed civilians is wrong, regardless of them being whites or blacks. No one says the police did the right thing, they deserve blames.
2. However, the cops are humans, and they make mistakes. They kill unarmed whites too, just the chance is lower on average.
3. The reason why cops more likely to kill unarmed blacks than whites, is that blacks are generally considered more dangerous, irrational and violent.
4. The reason why blacks are considered more dangerous is that they commit far more crimes than any other races(Do not use that FBI document to counter this point, you cant fight fact by hypothesis).
5. In order to make sure cops shoot less blacks, this stereotype that blacks are more likely to pull out guns and resist arrest must end.
6. In order to end the stereotype, blacks have to commit less crimes, to a level at least not much more than whites and hispanics.


Now anyone see the logic? People quickly jump to conclusion that white cops kill unarmed blacks due to racism, but reality is, black cops and hispanic cops are as much likely to kill unarmed blacks as white cops. They just go either unreported or ignored. Even if we replace all white cops by black cops, they will still kill more unarmed blacks than whites, unless blacks prove themselves to be less crime-prone.

This is why I keep mentioning the correlation of crime rate and chance of getting killed by cops. Sure proper training on cops will reduce the chance of unarmed individuals getting killed, but blacks will still have higher fatality rate than whites so long as the stereotype exists. Again, to stop the stereotype, blacks need to commit less crimes, thats the one and only way. Antagonizing and shooting cops will only make it even worse for blacks, its not the solution.

[97 bulls]

:facepalm

I don't care why they're committing more crime... it could be income it could be culture it could be genetics....it's irrelevant to this discussion

fact is they DO commit more crime and therefore are more likely to be in confrontation police officers and thus more likely to be shot.
Here's the problem. There is a tremendous difference between commit and convict. That's our point. Whites. Due to more resources are able to fight whatever they're being accused of much more than blacks. If blacks had the same resources, our crime rate would drop like a rock. Thus my OJ example. You being a basketball fan should know that statistics are often misused.

This is the rebuttal to your excuse. Please respond.

[Bankaii]

Do you have any evidence for this? Actual cases? Cops with white supremacist ties involved with freddie gray, mike brown etc?
Dude learn how to freaking read. I never said these recent shootings had to do with the KKK.
But the infiltration of the KKK has played a role in racism becoming more prevalent in the justice system, obviously including the police.
Simple Google "KKK in the police"


So essentially you were calling me a racist? Explain why I'm a bigot
No, I wasn't. You haven't said enough for me to come to that conclusion.
I said you're small minded, ignorant, and prejudice which is true. You think making baseless claims and using statistics is the end all. And you even said yourself you think racial profiling is good. Anyone that thinks that the actions of a group should decide the outlook on every individual mildly associated to that group is prejudice and small minded, thus a bigot.


Black and White Murder totals is about equal

more whites are killed by cops

blacks are more likely to resist arrest/fire at a police officer
For the 1st 2, does that factor in the percentages of each race comprising the population?
The 3rd one can't possibly be accurately calculated. But even so, you've still provided no proof of it.


I can't believe that you find it shocking that areas where there are higher crime rates would be under more scrutiny than areas where there is none. You think if cops stopped patrolling high crime areas they would get better or worse? More black people would die or less?

Also, love how you keep dodging the sexism question. Are cops sexist if they arrest, shoot more men than women? Have they been infiltrated by feminists? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Because the argument your making could be made even better if me made it along the lines of sex.
Your reading comprehension is just :oldlol: :facepalm
I never said anything along the lines of what you posted.
I said the crime rate in Chicago shouldn't affect how people are treated around the entire nation, especially in parts where crime isn't a big deal.

I'm not dodging anything. The sexism statement is 100% irrelevant, like all of your other statements.

[avonbarksdale]

If blacks continue to commit crimes at a rate 3-4 times higher than the rest of US population, they will continue to get shot by cops at high rates. This cannot be helped, the police knows blacks are more likely to commit crimes and shoot them, so they cannot take the risk. Men also got shot at higher rates than women, it was because men are physically stronger and more likely to shoot a cop, and this of course has an impact on police's reaction as well. Until blacks stop committing so much crime, theres nothing you can do. Cops are humans, they are not robots.

^this

and if you tell someone who is all blacklivesmatter that more white people have been killed this year than blacks by police - they will spew out that white people make up a higher % of the population - yet they don't like it when you bring up a crime % stat

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Here's the problem. There is a tremendous difference between commit and convict. That's our point. Whites. Due to more resources are able to fight whatever they're being accused of much more than blacks. If blacks had the same resources, our crime rate would drop like a rock. Thus my OJ example. You being a basketball fan should know that statistics are often misused.

This is the rebuttal to your excuse. Please respond.

First off, thank you for not accusing racism and making an actual point. It's refreshing.

I will answer with one graph:

http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Fig-4.jpg
"Figure compares the percentages of criminals that victims say were black to the percentages of arrested suspects who were black. If police are arresting a larger proportion of blacks than the proportion of criminals victims say were black, it would be evidence of bias."

This graph compares witness accounts of offenders with the rate of arrests for blacks. unless you think murder witnesses are lying.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dude learn how to freaking read. I never said these recent shootings had to do with the KKK.
But the infiltration of the KKK has played a role in racism becoming more prevalent in the justice system, obviously including the police.
Simple Google "KKK in the police"


That report warned of the possibility. None of these cases used to champion this cause provide any evidence that this has happened.


No, I wasn't. You haven't said enough for me to come to that conclusion.
I said you're small minded, ignorant, and prejudice which is true. You think making baseless claims and using statistics is the end all. And you even said yourself you think racial profiling is good. Anyone that thinks that the actions of a group should decide the outlook on every individual mildly associated to that group is prejudice and small minded, thus a bigot.
:rolleyes:


For the 1st 2, does that factor in the percentages of each race comprising the population?
The 3rd one can't possibly be accurately calculated. But even so, you've still provided no proof of it.


If you want me to express as a rate per person.

blacks are roughly 5 times more likely to commit murder

blacks are roughly 3 times more likely to be shot

black and hispanic officers are 3 times more likely to fire


From DailyWire.com - 4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.


Blacks are 9.6 times more likely to be charged with resisting arrest - http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/African-Americans-cited-for-resisting-arrest-at-6229946.php

(national stats not available)

I'm not dodging anything. The sexism statement is 100% irrelevant, like all of your other statements.


Dodging again

[97 bulls]

First off, thank you for not accusing racism and making an actual point. It's refreshing.
I'm not trying to make this a race issue. Because it's not in my opinion. But I do want to get the facts straight and be fair.



I will answer with one graph:

http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Fig-4.jpg
"Figure compares the percentages of criminals that victims say were black to the percentages of arrested suspects who were black. If police are arresting a larger proportion of blacks than the proportion of criminals victims say were black, it would be evidence of bias."

This graph compares witness accounts of offenders with the rate of arrests for blacks. unless you think murder witnesses are lying.

I thought the argument was based around stats? I went back and counted at least 4 instances where you or a few other posters justified shooting because blacks "commit" or "rate" etc.

Either way, arrests don't indicate guilt. You alluded to the legalityof Zimmerman being able to exit his vehicle. So be consistent. Just because a person is arrested does not mean they did the crime. And sometimes, the suspect is falsely accused.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/01/09/worst-cases-white-people-wrongfully-accusing-black-people-committing-crimes/


Not only that, but blacks are just overall more likely to be wrongfully acc used of crimes they didn't commit.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://newsone.com/2016580/study-half-of-wrongly-accused-prisoners-are-black/&ved=0ahUKEwjx6s-T9o_OAhXK5CYKHXfACW0QFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNH4wP87fLDMfCmLOD_lppR8PLGuCghttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=

http://newsone.com/2016580/study-half-of-wrongly-accused-prisoners-are-black/&ved=0ahUKEwjx6s-T9o_OAhXK5CYKHXfACW0QFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNH4wP87fLDMfCmLOD_lppR8PLGuCg

[G0ATbe]

Jordan has to be the least influential all time great athlete ever. He just doesn't have the same inspiring personality that resided in Muhammad Ali, Kobe etc. Comes off as a fake. And alot of it has to do with how fabricated his legacy is.

[colts19]

So its the fact that these people are poor that cause them to take another humans life. So being a poor black person makes you lose your moral compass and so you kill someone.

Let me say that most blacks are good hard working people. Its not that blacks are 13% of the population but commit 52% of the murders. That just reflects poorly on the majority of good black people. It's the fact that 4% of the population, blacks btw 18 and 35 commit half the murders in this country. Lets call that 4% the thugs. Just think about that for a second 4% of the population commits 50% of the murders in this country. Its not just white people and white cops that are afraid of these thugs, its the good black majority that are afraid of them also.

It's time to stop making excuse's for these thugs and its time for people who are willing to tell the truth to tell it and not be called racist. If you cross the street to avoid a group of young black men, that's not being racist, that's an act of self-preservation.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm not trying to make this a race issue. Because it's not in my opinion. But I do want to get the facts straight and be fair.




I thought the argument was based around stats? I went back and counted at least 4 instances where you or a few other posters justified shooting because blacks "commit" or "rate" etc.

Either way, arrests don't indicate guilt. You alluded to the legalityof Zimmerman being able to exit his vehicle. So be consistent. Just because a person is arrested does not mean they did the crime. And sometimes, the suspect is falsely accused.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/01/09/worst-cases-white-people-wrongfully-accusing-black-people-committing-crimes/


Not only that, but blacks are just overall more likely to be wrongfully acc used of crimes they didn't commit.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://newsone.com/2016580/study-half-of-wrongly-accused-prisoners-are-black/&ved=0ahUKEwjx6s-T9o_OAhXK5CYKHXfACW0QFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNH4wP87fLDMfCmLOD_lppR8PLGuCghttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=

http://newsone.com/2016580/study-half-of-wrongly-accused-prisoners-are-black/&ved=0ahUKEwjx6s-T9o_OAhXK5CYKHXfACW0QFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNH4wP87fLDMfCmLOD_lppR8PLGuCg

Okay so your position is that not only are blacks dissproportionately arrested by cops...just because they're black but victims of violent crime and eye-witnesses to murders (who are mostly black) are lying about the race of murderer also...

Your first article (from atlantablackstar.com...imagine if i posted something from alabamawhitestar) talks about 10 anecdotal cases. Not a large statistical trend.

[97 bulls]

I also took the liberty to go back and look at a few of the situations that ended up costing some blacks their life at the hands of the police.

Samuel Dubose: was stopped for no front license plate

Philando Castile: was stopped for a broken taillight

Eric Garner: selling losee cigarettes

Michael Brown: J walking (even though he was leaving a robbery)

Walter Scott: expired registration

Tamir Rice: Playing with a toy gun in a park

Sandra Bland: illegal lane change

Alton Sterling: accused of waving a gun

John Crawford III: killed for walking around walmart with a toy gun

And even though the murderer wasn't a police officer,
Trayvon Martin. Walking home with a hoodie on from a store in the rain.

I mean, how many "oops, my bads" do we have to encounter before we call this a patern? None of these individuals was doing anything remotely violent. Granted, Sterling was resisting arrest. But in the other situations? The officer involved was hardly in any danger.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I have been pulled over for plenty of traffic violations before including a not working tail light. Doesn't mean it was racism.

Mike Brown wasn't just j-walking he was walking in the middle of the road blocking traffic. and assaulted the cop according to black eyewitnesses

someone called the cops for tamir rice

[97 bulls]

Okay so your position is that not only are blacks dissproportionately arrested by cops...just because they're black but victims of violent crime and eye-witnesses to murders (who are mostly black) are lying about the race of murderer also...

Your first article (from atlantablackstar.com...imagine if i posted something from alabamawhitestar) talks about 10 anecdotal cases. Not a large statistical trend.
Lol. Blacks being accused of crimes they didn't commit is hardly a new phenomenon. Those were just examples.

Again. Be consistent. Being accused and arrested is totally different from actually being convicted. Which was your original argument. I'm only rebutting your assessment and thus justification that police are shooting blacks because they're inherently evil. Based on stats.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol. Blacks being accused of crimes they didn't commit is hardly a new phenomenon. Those were just examples.

Again. Be consistent. Being accused and arrested is totally different from actually being convicted. Which was your original argument. I'm only rebutting your assessment and thus justification that police are shooting blacks because they're inherently evil. Based on stats.

Blacks are accused of murder, arrested for murder, and convicted at murder at roughly the same rate.

[97 bulls]

I have been pulled over for plenty of traffic violations before including a not working tail light. Doesn't mean it was racism.

Mike Brown wasn't just j-walking he was walking in the middle of the road blocking traffic. and assaulted the cop according to black eyewitnesses

someone called the cops for tamir rice
I honestly don't see why blacks are defending Brown. He had just robbed a liquor store.

Tamir Rice? That's just a travesty. And perhaps if we change the mindset that you have that are based on filacious stats, innocent people like Rice (a 12 year old boy) ), Castille, and Crawford would be alive today.

I can't stress this enough, you don't get to hide behind the law in the Zimmerman case and then try to nix the law and "use common sense" when the law isn't on your side.

There is an extreme problem here.

[97 bulls]

Blacks are accused of murder, arrested for murder, and convicted at murder at roughly the same rate.
And falsely accused. Don't forget that.

Beisdes, we went through this already....lets try this from a different angle. Do you feel OJ killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman? And do you feel that that rich white kid that killed the family because he was driving under the influence (and mind you, he was already on probation for dui) would've recieved a stiffer sentence if he were poor?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

And falsely accused. Don't forget that.

Beisdes, we went through this already....lets try this from a different angle. Do you feel OJ killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman? And do you feel that that rich white kid that killed the family because he was driving under the influence (and mind you, he was already on probation for dui) would've recieved a stiffer sentence if he were poor?

I do believe OJ killed Nicole yes, and I believe the Jury should've convicted based on the evidence available in court. That isn't really an example of a guy getting off because he had an awesome defense. More of an example of jury incompetence.

I don't know much about the second case, only heard about it in passing.

But again, it's not just at the conviction level...it's at the arrest and accusing level also.

You realize that most of these accusers are black also, right? Most black crime is on other blacks (just like most white crime is on other whites). This notion that a bunch of black people are accusing other black people of murder just because they're black is just absurd, and has no evidence to support it.

[TheWinningFam]

I do believe OJ killed Nicole yes, and I believe the Jury should've convicted based on the evidence available in court. That isn't really an example of a guy getting off because he had an awesome defense. More of an example of jury incompetence.

I don't know much about the second case, only heard about it in passing.

But again, it's not just at the conviction level...it's at the arrest and accusing level also.

You realize that most of these accusers are black also, right? Most black crime is on other blacks (just like most white crime is on other whites). This notion that a bunch of black people are accusing other black people of murder just because they're black is just absurd, and has no evidence to support it.

Still deflecting to stuff that has nothing to do with what we're talking about :facepalm

How come you know everything about oj and zimmerman case but not
the white dude getting acquitted because of some bullshit illness
or the charles kinsley or castile case or any suspect unarmed black getting shot case, Do you actually research yourself or go by what fox news tells you? Or are you just playing like you don't know what happened? :confusedshrug:


-So are you saying the fbi report is completely false and the sudden rise in unarmed blacks being killed by race soldiers following said report is just a major coincidence? :facepalm
-Is an unarmed black more likely to be shot than an armed white following the release of said report just a major coincidence?
-Is there always being an excuse or it being an ''accident'' when a black gets shot after the release of said report just a major coincidence?
-Is most of the unarmed people getting shot being black after this released report just a coincidence?

Plz try not to deflect to ''bu bu blacks commit more crime'' this time

[97 bulls]

I do believe OJ killed Nicole yes, and I believe the Jury should've convicted based on the evidence available in court. That isn't really an example of a guy getting off because he had an awesome defense. More of an example of jury incompetence.
Oh don't get it twisted. He had an awesome defense. And boatloads of money. They called OJs Lawyers "the dream team". And my point is that had he had an appoIntel attorney, hed be in jail for those killings regardless of race. It's about money. And that jury was hardly incompetent. That's gonna have to be for another discussion.


I don't know much about the second case, only heard about it in passing.

But again, it's not just at the conviction level...it's at the arrest and accusing level also.

You realize that most of these accusers are black also, right? Most black crime is on other blacks (just like most white crime is on other whites). This notion that a bunch of black people are accusing other black people of murder just because they're black is just absurd, and has no evidence to support it.
The arrest and accusing level does not matter bro. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. How can you say that it was ok for Zimmerman to follow Martin, because he wasn't breaking any laws and then throw out the law when it comes to blacks all together?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The arrest and accusing level does not matter bro. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. How can you say that it was ok for Zimmerman to follow Martin, because he wasn't breaking any laws and then throw out the law when it comes to blacks all together?

Accusing level DOES matter as it pertains to whether or not blacks will have a confrontation with cops or not. And it does matter when you say blacks are arrested/convicted disproportionately, when they're accused at the same rate they're arrested/convicted.

And I don't get the point you're making with Zimmerman. Please elaborate.

[TheWinningFam]

Accusing level DOES matter as it pertains to whether or not blacks will have a confrontation with cops or not. And it does matter when you say blacks are arrested/convicted disproportionately, when they're accused at the same rate they're arrested/convicted.

And I don't get the point you're making with Zimmerman. Please elaborate.
I think basically he's saying You're endorsing zimmerman's acting foolishly by saying it was legal then throw out the law saying that racial profiling is ok because blacks commit more crime while completely ignoring where the constitution states its not allowed.

This goes back to what i have been saying,

There's ALWAYS an excuse/''valid common sense reason'' when the black person is the victim and never the cop/shooter's fault otoh, when its blacks committing the crimes they are held to the letter of the law and other factors are never considered Poverty etc. Its always because ''blacks are naturally more violent'' white supremacy thinking.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I think basically he's saying You're endorsing zimmerman's acting foolishly by saying it was legal then throw out the law saying that racial profiling is ok because blacks commit more crime while completely ignoring where the constitution states its not allowed.

This goes back to what i have been saying,

There's ALWAYS an excuse/''valid common sense reason'' when the black person is the victim and never the cop/shooter's fault otoh, when its blacks committing the crimes they are held to the letter of the law and other factors are never considered Poverty etc. Its always because ''blacks are naturally more violent'' white supremacy thinking.

did i say zimmerman wasn't a fool? He wasn't a murderer, doesn't mean i think what he did was particularly smart.

the justification when cops do it is not just a "valid common sense reason" it's always a legal argument about whether it was a justified shooting or not.

[TheWinningFam]

did i say zimmerman wasn't a fool? He wasn't a murderer, doesn't mean i think what he did was particularly smart.

the justification when cops do it is not just a "valid common sense reason" it's always a legal argument about whether it was a justified shooting or not.

The legal arguments are almost always some ludicrous scenario that the cop ''felt in his mind'' or the entire shooting is an ''accident''

In the paticular charles kinsley case, the suspected race soldier is trying to say he meant to shoot the autistic patient instead of the black man, Some how missing all 3 shots and hitting only the black man

We live in a make believe world when it comes to how we punish race soldiers all they have to do is come up with some scenario of how they felt ''in their mind'' or say it was an ''accident'' when the victim is black and go unpunished. and that's the problem... We aren't saying the police are bad but you cant allow these race soldiers to continue operating, they need to be held accountable for the white supremacy groups that they have allowed to infiltrate their system confirmed via the fbi crime report.

[TheWinningFam]

In the root its the entire problem in the first place.

Flat out denial of reality and just blaming it on the victims. Its textbook white supremacy

We cant get anywhere if you just deny that there's race soldiers when the fbi clearly stated so in an fbi report followed by an increase in unarmed black shootings, followed by the suspected race soldiers being acquitted because of how they ''felt in their mind'' or it being an ''accident'' about the situation.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I think most people who blame the act of shooting unarmed blacks on racism and white supremacy have completely missed one point. It is evident that black cops on average, have higher chance to shooting an unarmed black man to death. So yes blacks do get shot more often, but its not just white cops, black cops shoot more on average.

So how about chill out and quit blaming everyone on racism? Yes the cops should shoot less and train more professionally, but this kind of shooting really has nothing to do with the cops being racist, unless you think black cops are worse racists than white cops.
:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

In the root its the entire problem in the first place.

Flat out denial of reality and just blaming it on the victims. Its textbook white supremacy

We cant get anywhere if you just deny that there's race soldiers when the fbi clearly stated so in an fbi report followed by an increase in unarmed black shootings, followed by the suspected race soldiers being acquitted because of how they ''felt in their mind'' or it being an ''accident'' about the situation.

I just wanted to jump back in for a second.

I understand your points and concern.

But are you arguing that the police are executing black people at an alarming rate?

I'm a bit confused to your point...even if one were to grant you the FBI report and agree there is a subset of cops doing what you claim.

The problem still wouldn't be systemic. You are talking about roughly 100 unarmed black people being killed in 2015. And obviously all of those killings were not done by white cops. Again...that is terrible and quite frankly disgusting that it happens...but that just isn't indicative of the narrative that is being put forth (not saying you are)...which I'd argue is more dangerous both for police officers and black people.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan has never been the brightest bulb in the bunch.

[FireDavidKahn]

I think most people who blame the act of shooting unarmed blacks on racism and white supremacy have completely missed one point. It is evident that black cops on average, have higher chance to shooting an unarmed black man to death. So yes blacks do get shot more often, but its not just white cops, black cops shoot more on average.

So how about chill out and quit blaming everyone on racism? Yes the cops should shoot less and train more professionally, but this kind of shooting really has nothing to do with the cops being racist, unless you think black cops are worse racists than white cops.
:facepalm
Don't forget that Wyoming and North Dakota have the highest rate of firearms related deaths by cops by far in the whole country...they are also the #1 and #6 whitest states in the USA

[FireDavidKahn]

And...MJ had his dad killed.:oldlol:

[97 bulls]

did i say zimmerman wasn't a fool? He wasn't a murderer, doesn't mean i think what he did was particularly smart.

the justification when cops do it is not just a "valid common sense reason" it's always a legal argument about whether it was a justified shooting or not.
Unbelievable double standard. So Zimmerman isn't a murderer because a court of law found him innocent, but OJ was guilty even though a court of law found him innocent? Wow.

[97 bulls]

Accusing level DOES matter as it pertains to whether or not blacks will have a confrontation with cops or not. And it does matter when you say blacks are arrested/convicted disproportionately, when they're accused at the same rate they're arrested/convicted.

And I don't get the point you're making with Zimmerman. Please elaborate.
They are convicted because they don't have the money to actually pay a competent lawyer. Do they have to get a public defender. Again. Being arrested and accused is moot. It's the conviction. In the US, citizens are innocent until proven guilty. That's the law. That applies to blacks as well.No matter how much you disagree.

[97 bulls]

I just wanted to jump back in for a second.

I understand your points and concern.

But are you arguing that the police are executing black people at an alarming rate?

I'm a bit confused to your point...even if one were to grant you the FBI report and agree there is a subset of cops doing what you claim.

The problem still wouldn't be systemic. You are talking about roughly 100 unarmed black people being killed in 2015. And obviously all of those killings were not done by white cops. Again...that is terrible and quite frankly disgusting that it happens...but that just isn't indicative of the narrative that is being put forth (not saying you are)...which I'd argue is more dangerous both for police officers and black people.
Lol. How many times does a husband get to beat his wife in a certain amount of time before you say that too much?

And mind you. I think this wouldn't be an issue if these officers were punished. But more often than not, they're let go.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Unbelievable double standard. So Zimmerman isn't a murderer because a court of law found him innocent, but OJ was guilty even though a court of law found him innocent? Wow.

Both Zimmerman and OJ are murderers, they killed people and made stupid mistakes. The issue is, the acts of killing had nothing to do with racism. Zimmerman killed Martin because he was inexperienced and stupid, OJ killed his wife because he was angry at her for what she did to him when they were married or for whatever reason.

These are two very different cases, but one thing in common is that, they are not racial-related. Zimmerman would've killed Martin even if Martin was white, and OJ would've killed his wife even if she was black. My point is, people need to stop blaming every interracial homicide/ murder on racism, such nonsense and overreaction are starting to get really annoying.

[DMAVS41]

Lol. How many times does a husband get to beat his wife in a certain amount of time before you say that too much?

And mind you. I think this wouldn't be an issue if these officers were punished. But more often than not, they're let go.

Why would you respond with "LOL"...like I didn't have the following quote in my post;

Again...that is terrible and quite frankly disgusting that it happens

And...who is saying we shouldn't talk about racism and problems with police culture? It certainly isn't me in this thread.

I just think we should also be focusing on reality...and not fall victim to this false, sensationalized, and quite frankly dangerous narrative that it is "open season" on blacks in society.

I also think the black community has to address the reality of how many more interactions they are having with cops due to the absurdly disproportionate amount of crime black males commit.

Nobody...at least not me...is denying that there is a problem with racism and police culture. However, it doesn't fit the narrative all too well if people were to realize that more people get struck by lightning each year in the US...by like 3 to 4 times...than unarmed black people are killed by cops.

Problem? You bet. Systemic problem that the media and BLM put forth? Nope.

To deny either side of the debate is to prevent progress from happening imo.

[NumberSix]

Oh don't get it twisted. He had an awesome defense. And boatloads of money. They called OJs Lawyers "the dream team". And my point is that had he had an appoIntel attorney, hed be in jail for those killings regardless of race. It's about money. And that jury was hardly incompetent. That's gonna have to be for another discussion.


The arrest and accusing level does not matter bro. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. How can you say that it was ok for Zimmerman to follow Martin, because he wasn't breaking any laws and then throw out the law when it comes to blacks all together?
Are you aware that after the verdict was read, right in the court room for everyone to see, one of the jurors looked right at OJ and did the "black power" fist?


That being said, not guilty was the correct verdict.

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Holy fvck @ the arguments made for cops shooting unarmed black people in this country due to feeling "threatened".

Literally the definition of "open season".

Say what you wanna say about the cop killers in Dallas/Baton Rouge, but at least they were going after armed people who were supposed to be trained to fight back.

I definitely have some type of respect for that even though I don't agree with it.

But shooting/killing unarmed/defenseless people is cowardly as fvck.

Lastly....

Until police officers AS A WHOLE stand up and SPEAK OUT against police brutality, innocent/silent/good officers will die as a reaction to innocent civilians dying.

[DMAVS41]

Holy fvck @ the arguments made for cops shooting unarmed black people in this country due to feeling "threatened".

Literally the definition of "open season".

Say what you wanna say about the cop killers in Dallas/Baton Rouge, but at least they were going after armed people who were supposed to be trained to fight back.

I definitely have some type of respect for that even though I don't agree with it.

But shooting/killing unarmed/defenseless people is cowardly as fvck.

Lastly....



Until police officers AS A WHOLE stand up and SPEAK OUT against police brutality, innocent/silent/good officers will die as a reaction to innocent civilians dying.


So...you have some type of respect for killing cops that had nothing to do with other incidents...

And you want to be taken seriously?

I have no respect for cops that kill unarmed and innocent citizens...and no respect for the people that kill cops.

Also...just no...the definition of "open season" is not at all supported by the facts.

[97 bulls]

Why would you respond with "LOL"...like I didn't have the following quote in my post;

Again...that is terrible and quite frankly disgusting that it happens

And...who is saying we shouldn't talk about racism and problems with police culture? It certainly isn't me in this thread.

I just think we should also be focusing on reality...and not fall victim to this false, sensationalized, and quite frankly dangerous narrative that it is "open season" on blacks in society.

I also think the black community has to address the reality of how many more interactions they are having with cops due to the absurdly disproportionate amount of crime black males commit.

Nobody...at least not me...is denying that there is a problem with racism and police culture. However, it doesn't fit the narrative all too well if people were to realize that more people get struck by lightning each year in the US...by like 3 to 4 times...than unarmed black people are killed by cops.

Problem? You bet. Systemic problem that the media and BLM put forth? Nope.

To deny either side of the debate is to prevent progress from happening imo.
I'm not denying that there's a crime problem in the black community. I disagree with the the assesment that blacks are just inherently evil people.

And I have a problem with people that dont v want to admit the combination of reasons for the high crime rate in the black community.

Here's my reasons as to why blacks are committed at a higher rate.
1. The nuclear family is broke.

2. Low income/poverty

3. Inability to defend themselves when theyre accused

4. Racial profiling from police

5. Racism

6. The prison industrial complex

7. Some blacks are just no damn good.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not denying that there's a crime problem in the black community. I disagree with the the assesment that blacks are just inherently evil people.

And I have a problem with people that dont v want to admit the combination of reasons for the high crime rate in the black community.

Here's my reasons as to why blacks are committed at a higher rate.
1. The nuclear family is broke.

2. Low income/poverty

3. Inability to defend themselves when theyre accused

4. Racial profiling from police

5. Racism

6. The prison industrial complex

7. Some blacks are just no damn good.

Of course I agree with the bold. I have never uttered anything like that.

I also agree that there are a number of reasons why black males commit such a large percentage of crime. Again...I have never argued against the reasons you list.

However, you should turn your same logic (which I completely agree with) towards cops.

There are reasons why cops kill more blacks than the percentage they make up in society. Doesn't make it right...just like it doesn't make it right when a black person commits a crime...just that there are reasons for it. Like you said above...the same could be said...some cops are just no damn good.

[97 bulls]

Of course I agree with the bold. I have never uttered anything like that.

I also agree that there are a number of reasons why black males commit such a large percentage of crime. Again...I have never argued against the reasons you list.

However, you should turn your same logic (which I completely agree with) towards cops.

There are reasons why cops kill more blacks than the percentage they make up in society. Doesn't make it right...just like it doesn't make it right when a black person commits a crime...just that there are reasons for it. Like you said above...the same could be said...some cops are just no damn good.
As I've stated in the OTC forum. Its the short trigger that is utilized when the suspect happens to be black. 1 innocent individual killed by the people that are supposed to be protecting them is just horrible. Much less 5 or 6. That's just far too many oops. And unfortunately, these people can't come back.

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So...you have some type of respect for killing cops that had nothing to do with other incidents...

And you want to be taken seriously?

I have no respect for cops that kill unarmed and innocent citizens...and no respect for the people that kill cops.

Also...just no...the definition of "open season" is not at all supported by the facts.

We'll I'm from the south, bro. This shit been happening to black people for DECADES and black people never had proof until about the 90's (Rodney King fiasco).

Thanks to New Media and technogical advances, white America is forced to see what's been taking place.

Even with proof and evidence, you still have such brutality rationalized and justified by "moderate" bystanders...always looking for that "reason".

And yeah, I think black people have a right to feel threatened around cops, just as cops are threatened around young black men.

As long as cops sit by idly and watch their co-workers kill taxpayers without speaking out against it or apologizing, innocent cops will lose their lives too.

It's not rocket science. Every action will have an equal, but opposite reaction.

Cops, the justice system and "non bigoted white people" have blurred the lines between justifiable deaths and senseless deaths. Don't complain about what we're left with.

[Real14]

The same guy who have many people shot and killed ovsr expensive ass sneakers. MJ is my favorite NBA player but definitely needs to lower his damn prices.

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5 Cop tackles citizen

1 cop screams "he has a gun"

Another cop unloads a magazine in the citizens chest due to "feeling threatened".

No evidence comes out that the citizen had a gun.

No charges on the cop.

Justifiable homicide/murder due to suspicion and anxiety.


Don't understand how people don't expect retaliation of some sort. Lol.

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The same guy who have many people shot and killed ovsr expensive ass sneakers. MJ is my favorite NBA player but definitely needs to lower his damn prices.

Lol. Jordan is a huge hypocrite on a number of things. He was white people's favorite negro in the 90'same.

Dude is probably one of the last people I wanna hear talk about shit like this knowing his history.

But he is influential...

[DMAVS41]

As I've stated in the OTC forum. Its the short trigger that is utilized when the suspect happens to be black. 1 innocent individual killed by the people that are supposed to be protecting them is just horrible. Much less 5 or 6. That's just far too many oops. And unfortunately, these people can't come back.

Agreed that we in society have to be honest and open about racism or racial bias...and also agree that cops have to do a better job diffusing situations and try to remove overt racism.

In addition...the black community needs to address some of the issues you mentioned that lead to the amount of violent crimes they commit and the amount of police interactions they have.

Also, quite frankly, all citizens need to do a better job of just obeying the orders of cops in the moment...it is a two way street.

Lastly, there is always going to be some sort of imbalance. Cops are human beings...and if they are having to respond to a disproportionate amount of black crime...they are going to be impacted by that. That simply isn't ever going away completely...we are all human beings prone to stereotypes and mistakes.

[DMAVS41]

We'll I'm from the south, bro. This shit been happening to black people for DECADES and black people never had proof until about the 90's (Rodney King fiasco).

Thanks to New Media and technogical advances, white America is forced to see what's been taking place.

Even with proof and evidence, you still have such brutality rationalized and justified by "moderate" bystanders...always looking for that "reason".

And yeah, I think black people have a right to feel threatened around cops, just as cops are threatened around young black men.

As long as cops sit by idly and watch their co-workers kill taxpayers without speaking out against it or apologizing, innocent cops will lose their lives too.

It's not rocket science. Every action will have an equal, but opposite reaction.

Cops, the justice system and "non bigoted white people" have blurred the lines between justifiable deaths and senseless deaths. Don't complain about what we're left with.

All I can say is that I find it disgusting when cops kill unarmed citizens...and find it equally disgusting when someone guns down innocent cops as retribution for crimes said cops didn't commit.

I don't think your "respect" has any place in a productive conversation personally.